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nickb

Resign Len Brown.
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November 6, 2013 8:13am
Bovver

The Chorus CEO sounds like a moaning minny. They have known the Commerce Commission would be ruling on the cost of copper broadband for the last 3 years, plus they received almost 1 Billion dollars interest free taxpayer money to be paid back in 30 years to install the UFB. If they can’t complete the UFB roll-out re-tender it and get a company that can, the Government would be setting a ugly precedent if they over turn the Commerce Commission especially when they are only abiding by the rules setup by Steven Joyce to fix the price.
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November 6, 2013 8:18am
iMP

OMGosh the Whale has gone all Christiany. Rev Slater opines…

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-whale-goes-all-christiany/
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November 6, 2013 8:22am
Keeping Stock

Dr Brian Edwards points out some fairly basic flaws in Labour’s Man-Ban, Quota Management System or whatever else you want to call it. And the Stuff poll (which now seems to have closed) is pretty emphatic; 89.5% of 4969 respondents say that a person’s ability is more important than their genitalia when it comes to selecting MP’s.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/quote-of-day-6-november-2013.html
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November 6, 2013 8:24am
Manolo

The end justifies the means: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/nov/1/dhs-adviser-america-islamic-country/
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November 6, 2013 8:37am
kowtow

Human rights,equality and welfarism destroying the west.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10426604/Taxpayers-foot-10000-bill-for-failed-asylum-seekers-flying-lessons.html
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November 6, 2013 8:41am
bhudson

@KS,

It is simply ‘equality of outcome’ in action. The overwhelming response against the manban is as much a response against ‘equality of outcome’ in general, as it is against this specific instance.

Labour are completely out of step with the electorate. And out of touch with reality.
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November 6, 2013 8:45am
iMP

So Keeping Stock via Brian Edwards, if the public have spoken and genitalia are not more important than merit in selecting Labour MPs…

why is how you do sex (“sexuality”) a criteria for defining “human rights” and whether you can marry?
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November 6, 2013 8:48am
Pete George

Re Rev Slater – there are many different ways to bring up kids. It’s possible to be relatively non-authoritarian and still not spoil your kids. Well balanced parenting is more likely to result in well balanced kids.
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November 6, 2013 8:55am
Tom Jackson

Resign Len Brown.

Want to see a really bad mayor: Toronto’s mayor just admitted smoking crack.
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November 6, 2013 9:05am
iMP

So, as a kid, was anyone else in to the Day AFTER Fireworks Day? Gathering the shells and recycling residual gun powder?

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/06/the-joy-of-2nd-fireworks-day/
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November 6, 2013 9:13am
Nookin

RIP Peter Fatialofa. One of the real good guys of NZ/Island rugby.
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November 6, 2013 9:14am
Keeping Stock

Amen to that Nookin; the “legend” tag gets thrown around willy-nilly, but Peter Fats was indeed a legend of rugby, and a helluva nice bloke to boot. The world is a poorer place for his passing.
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November 6, 2013 9:29am
dime

This Chorus thing is a disaster. National have shown they cant manage the economy. Nationals ideas are extreme, outdated and they are hurting families.

The Greens have decided the best way to get high speed Internet to all families is to have a government owned Internet provider.

Partnering with Labour, we will launch KIWINET during our first term of office.

This will provide families with good, fast, cheap Internet.

We will also include filtering to protect families from things they don’t want to be seeing.

Vote Green, a vote for families.
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November 6, 2013 9:34am
flipper

The nearest equivalent to silly dickhead red Len was the democrat’s Mayor of San Diego.

He never went as far as Len the Rooter has done, but he got shit canned, did he not?

In NZ….the left always tolerates its own. But Banksie is held to a different standard. 🙂
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November 6, 2013 9:39am
flipper

dime (7,615) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 9:34 am
This Chorus thing is a disaster. National have shown they cant manage the economy. Nationals ideas are extreme, outdated and they are hurting families
*****

Fuck off and spend your dime on the standard.
Better still, buy a brain, split it into two, and give half to Wussell Red and the other half to the McGillicuddy bint. They will then be 50% normal…one hopes.
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November 6, 2013 9:42am
Tauhei Notts

This might be the start of a trend, but I think I have noticed that the newspapers dislike Silent T. Yesterday’s Waikato Times and today’s Herald both have bad comments about him. The sort of thing that they never wrote about David Schearer.
Just as they used to have a loathing for Rodney Hide, could Silent T be the new whipping boy?
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November 6, 2013 9:45am
Yvette

The alternative is this worthless Auckland lout, who believes in raping under-age girls without their consent, using them as objects for group sex sessions, and then using the internet to brag about his ‘conquests.’ He’s a vacuous brainless morally bankrupt pit-bull puppy product of the modern values we espouse in New Zealand, as well as the void we’ve created abandoning many of the conservative values we used to uphold:
respect, virtue, honesty, chastity, selflessness, honour.

Like Len? [just wondering]
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November 6, 2013 9:49am
Keeping Stock

Meet Beraiah Hales; he seems to have something against milk:

http://youtu.be/gy9q60TyrjY
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November 6, 2013 9:57am
James Stephenson

I see your crystal ball’s working well this morning dime.
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November 6, 2013 10:00am
Nookin

I see you got a bite, Dime. Good tug, too.
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November 6, 2013 10:03am
Nookin

” Good tug, too.”

In case your mind is wandering, I was not referring to Brown
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November 6, 2013 10:07am
kowtow

flipper is a National fan boy.

Upset him and the foul language and inane insults flow. Rather unstable flag waver.
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November 6, 2013 10:11am
Longknives

Keeping Stock- Smashing plastic milk bottles is very ‘Gangsta’…
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November 6, 2013 10:19am
Carlos

I wretched when I read Brian Rudman’s editorial this morning about Labour’s quotas for its caucus.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11152287

“Even the most balanced list in the world can go awry if the electors decide to cast their votes elsewhere. But Labour is playing its part in the MMP environment, in trying to create a true House of Representatives, which is more than can be said for National.”

Can’t believe he’s paid to write such biased shit week after week.
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November 6, 2013 10:21am
Ed Snack

Interesting snippet of news. For all those who seem so convinced that the US health system is completely useless and that Obamacare. for all its flaws, is an attempt to do better; and who base this on the relative life expectancy tables where the US is around 19th in the world.

Apparently, if you remove fatal accidents (traffic, crime, etc) from the stats and focus on health as it applies more generally to healthcare, the US rather changes its relative position…up to 1st. So there is definitely an issue with fatalities at a younger age but, on the face of it, largely related to the death rates of certain groups from crimes and to relatively high traffic accident rates.

I can’t quickly find a like with like comparison with US rates, but I believe that NZ road accident rates are actually higher than the US, so maybe it’s the murder rate, which disproportionately affects young black men, that skews the life expectancy tables.
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November 6, 2013 10:26am
wreck1080

An American fugitive hijacker who has been living in Cuba for nearly three decades says he is going home to face US justice.
Potts hijacked an airplane and flew to the Communist-run island in 1984, expecting that Cuba would offer him guerilla training. Instead Cuban authorities convicted him of air piracy and imprisoned him for more than 13 years.

I trust the US will imprison him for the remainder of his life . Good riddance.
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November 6, 2013 10:27am
iMP

So, if a Labour candidate goes both ways, does David Cunliffe decide if they are on the gay or straight MP list, or male or female? And how does he determine that? Do you have to log the nature of all your sexual practices/events with the Whip?
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November 6, 2013 10:29am
iMP

I could stand for Labour, as I have an inner lesbian. That’s the part of me that loves women.
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November 6, 2013 10:31am
Ed Snack

I wonder if Brian Rudman has contacted all the Maori and Gay MPs to ask which of them will be leaving parliament because their demographic is over-represented ?
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November 6, 2013 10:32am
Jack5

Another thing for which we can condemn the nasty “Roast Busters” of the Auckland underage sex and internet scandal, is giving a new platform for the militant feminists who had been slipping into old age and irrelevance.

For example, the Hooerald today brings in Auckland University psychology lecturer, Nicola Gavey. Sometimes described as a lecturer in “critical psychology of gender”, and author of the book Just Sex?: The Cultural Scaffolding of Rape, described in one reader review on an Internet site, “Good Reads”:

This book combines Foucauldian discourse analysis with empirical social psychology research to examine the ways in which Western cultural assumptions about heterosexual relationships create a “cultural scaffolding of rape.” Gavey does not argue that all sex is rape. Rather, she argues that many underlying assumptions about heterosexual sex–from female passivity and insatiable male sex drives to the the coital imperative–create gray areas of sexual coercion that are not quite rape but clearly also not “just sex.” In order to adequately prevent rape, we need to re-conceptualize “normal” sexual relations between men and women.

Gavey in a self-description says:

I am interested in examining gendered norms of identity, embodiment and practice. This includes an interest in physical feminism and the possibilities for transgressive femininities in relation to sport, for instance; as well as the gendered norms and values reiterated within so-called ‘sexualised’ ideals and further promoted within industrialised sex (pornography, prostitution, and so on) and ironically normalised and contained within the rhetoric of neoliberalism and postfeminism. Other key interests include violence against women, biomedicalisation and activism.

The self-labelled “Roast Busters” might deserve prison for their sex and internet actions. For stirring up the old feminists, they deserve second punishments.
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November 6, 2013 10:34am
Tauhei Notts

iMP poses the rhetorical question;
“Do you have to log the nature of all your sexual practices with the Whip?”
That is sick!
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November 6, 2013 10:36am
flipper

kowtow (5,635) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 10:11 am
flipper is a National fan boy.

Upset him and the foul language and inane insults flow.

****

I make NO apology for that. It takes a few expletives to penetrate your thick skull.

So if I am a National fan ( which I proudly am), what are you, and the other fuckwits????

Are you:
Liarbores?
Trade union thugs?
Red melons who would take the country back to sack cloth and ashes on the back of their printing presses?
petersparty2 racists and worse?
Silly dilly religious activists???

If you all had one brain between you, you could put aside your socialist and similar tomes, and make a contribution to society., No ????

But NO, that is not the underlying problem.

It is the stupidity that is evident from your unthinking / uneducated offerings.
Even Alamein Kopu (and the likes of Petersparty2’s O”Rourke, today ) knew one key fact — the arrogance of the extreme left, and right, and the extreme left’s fellow travellers like the red melons, has always been exceeded only by their stupidity. 🙂
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November 6, 2013 10:53am
Nookin

Ease up Flipper. Dime was taking the piss. The clue is in the penultimate line. Good redbaiter impersonation, though
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November 6, 2013 11:04am
Reid

For stirring up the old feminists, they deserve second punishments.

It’s interesting isn’t it Jack how feminism attempts to re-write DNA via lies and the exercise of free-will rather than letting nature take its course.

There’s a reason why nature designed both sexes to have different mindsets, different motivations and different desires and by denying that through false education you descend into the unhappy unhealthy mindsets we see across all western societies.

And where the feminist ethic hasn’t taken hold such as in Japan, the feminist engineers who are behind all sexual corruption, use porn to destroy them. In Japan for example you have a historically low marriage rate and I think around 60% of young people of marriage age don’t want any relationship at all let alone a marital commitment.

Travistock and the Frankfurt School continue their silent wars, while the useful idiots stand around and hallucinate that what we see in the world is just a random bunch of stuff that happened and isn’t it gweat that we have so much fweedom, showing no understanding that just because they don’t see any chains, doesn’t mean the chains aren’t there.
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November 6, 2013 11:06am
Liberty

Massey Cossacks. Everyone a hero

http://www.3news.co.nz/National/tabid/1230/articleID/320135/Default.aspx#.UnlqgfmuSgI
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November 6, 2013 11:07am
graham

Len will be happy – Roastbusters take the heat off him. The latest is Willie and JT getting castigated for “victim blaming”, describing the group’s bragging as “mischief”, saying the girls should not have gone to the parties without their parents’ consent, shouldn’t be drinking anyway, and if some of the girls had consented, “that doesn’t make [the Roast Busters] rapists, does it?”

Oh, and Willie and JT have also been hit with that all-time favourite – they are showing a “blatant support of rape culture”.
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November 6, 2013 11:08am
Judith

@ flipper

I don’t consider myself a communist, but I do like some of labours policies and detest others.
I like many of nationals policies, but detest John Key.
The Greens are a distraction – they do the odd thing I am in favour of but somethings make me shudder.
United Future will never get my vote as long as Dunne is in charge.

If Act bought back Rodney, I’d consider them, but not without him, and not with Banksee in the prime seat. Rodney has matured politically and I like what he has had to say recently.

Winston is great for entertainment – a good stirrer, and very good at picking a good wine – but again ‘shudder’.

So, what does one do? I am ‘politically confused’. According to Red I’m progressive, when in all honesty I’d rather revert to times of old when politicians were mildly believable. My father would come back and haunt me if I did not vote, but I am seriously considering that option. To give a vote to someone, or some party, just because I have to vote, also seems irresponsible. I suspect I am not the only NZer that is thinking this way. I can only hope something happens within the next few months that defines the situation.
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November 6, 2013 11:10am
Manolo

So if I am a National fan ( which I proudly am)..

Your choice, after all.
As Lecherous Len would say: “Keep it up, flipper“
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November 6, 2013 11:11am
dime

Judith – you’re whats wrong with with politics.

Who gives a crap if you like the leader of a party or not.

Vote on policies.
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November 6, 2013 11:13am
Nookin

Judith

It is called cognitive dissonance. I see Reid is loitering. He will tell you all about it
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November 6, 2013 11:16am
Judith

@ dime (7,617) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 11:13 am

Yes I realise that Dime, but there is not clear winner in those stakes either. I was not in favour of some parts of the asset sales (AirNZ can go but I don’t agree with selling the power companies). Therefore, as a major national policy and despite having voted for them in the previous election, I did not vote for them last time.

It really is a mixed bag Dime.
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November 6, 2013 11:17am
Fletch

The climate pause is set to last at least another 20 years, and the computer models are most likely wrong.

The 17-year pause in global warming is likely to last into the 2030s and the Arctic sea ice has already started to recover, according to new research.

A paper in the peer-reviewed journal Climate Dynamics – by Professor Judith Curry of the Georgia Institute of Technology and Dr Marcia Wyatt – amounts to a stunning challenge to climate science orthodoxy.

Not only does it explain the unexpected pause, it suggests that the scientific majority – whose views are represented by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) – have underestimated the role of natural cycles and exaggerated that of greenhouse gases.

The research comes amid mounting evidence that the computer models on which the IPCC based the gloomy forecasts of a rapidly warming planet in its latest report, published in September, are diverging widely from reality.

The graph shown above, based on a version published by Dr Ed Hawkins of Reading University on his blog, Climate Lab Book, reveals that actual temperatures are now below the predictions made by almost all the 138 models on which the IPCC relies.

Curry and Wyatt say they have identified a climatic ‘stadium wave’ – the phenomenon known in Britain as a Mexican wave, in which the crowd at a stadium stand and sit so that a wave seems to circle the audience.

In similar fashion, a number of cycles in the temperature of air and oceans, and the level of Arctic ice, take place across the Northern hemisphere over decades. Curry and Wyatt say there is evidence of this going back at least 300 years.

According to Curry and Wyatt, the theory may explain both the warming pause and why the computer models did not forecast it.

It also means that a large proportion of the warming that did occur in the years before the pause was due not to greenhouse gas emissions, but to the same cyclical wave.

‘The stadium wave signal predicts that the current pause in global warming could extend into the 2030s,’ said Wyatt. This is in sharp contrast with the IPCC’s report, which predicts warming of between 0.3 and 0.7C by 2035.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2485772/Global-warming-pause-20-years-Arctic-sea-ice-started-recover.html
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November 6, 2013 11:19am
mandk

Oh, No! This is terrible news!
(for the Reds and Greens)
http://www.stats.govt.nz/browse_for_stats/income-and-work/employment_and_unemployment/HouseholdLabourForceSurvey_MRSep13qtr.aspx
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November 6, 2013 11:28am
Fletch

A man in the US runs a stop sign, is arrested by police (because it looks like he might be clenching his butt cheeks) is anally probed multiple times (including a colonoscopy), given an enema and made to crap in front of police and finally billed for the procedures. And what did they find? Nothing.

http://chicksontheright.com/posts/item/24924-run-a-stop-sign-get-ready-to-be-anally-violated
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November 6, 2013 11:29am
Lance

And the aid stupidity keeps on rolling.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/441263/India-sends-a-spaceship-to-Mars-after-UK-gives-280million-in-aid
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November 6, 2013 11:31am
Manolo

For the trifecta (of lunacy): http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/other-races/189217-obama-ive-got-one-more-campaign-in-me
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November 6, 2013 11:35am
dime

Judith – the power companies are sold. One left? that would swing your vote?

Total economic destruction because you want to feel like you own part of a power company. One that will jack your pricing regardless and youll never see a dividend.
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November 6, 2013 11:42am
Manolo

Demolishing Stalinist logic: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/comment/letters-to-the-editor/9366830/Letter-A-law-change-won-t-stop-worst-offenders
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November 6, 2013 11:45am
Lance

@Manolo
Whoo, that butt violation is OTT.
What the story didn’t say is sedation carries a risk of fatal allergic reaction, not as much as full anesthesia but still a possibility and a colonoscopy carries the further risk of bowel puncture and other complications.
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November 6, 2013 11:52am
wreck1080

Latest from stats NZ…

annual wage inflation remains restrained.”

Annual wage inflation, as measured by the labour cost index salary and ordinary-time wage rates, eased to 1.6 per cent in the September quarter, down from 1.9 per cent this time last year.

Why am I not surprised to see this…

“Warehouse directors look for 20pc pay rise”

Greedy bastards.
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November 6, 2013 12:02pm
Manolo

~~Toronto~~ mayor admits to ~~smoking~~ eating Asian crack:
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/05/toronto-mayor-ford-admits-to-smoking-crack/
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November 6, 2013 12:08pm
flipper

Judith (4,262) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 11:10 am
@ flipper

I don’t consider myself a communist, but I do like some of labours policies and detest others.
I like many of nationals policies, but detest John Key.
The Greens are a distraction – they do the odd thing I am in favour of but somethings make me shudder.
United Future will never get my vote as long as Dunne is in charge.
*****

I acknowledge someone who is younger than me (based upon how long you said you had been driving), and therefore have tied a han d behind my back 🙂 ,but academic education is best when it is tempered by worldly experience.

I see NO need for the State to own anything more than it requires to full fill its core responsibilities.

Air New Zealand is a throw back to a time when Governments, apart from the US, insisted that air travel was too important to be owned/run by anyone other than “government” – NAC, ANZ, ANA, BOAC, KLM, Qantas, Air India,…and dozens of others, were all Gov’t owned and operated.

Radio waves were similarly owned and controlled, and for similar (Uncle Scrim apart) reasons.

NZ Post is now a lemon, and Kiwi bank has cost $860 Million and not produced a single dividend in 10 years.

TVNZ produces small dividends, but is approaching use by date, and saleable at fire sale rates.

I don’t want to re-run all the power company issues, but surely:
* Dams , or Geo, or thermal; power stations cannot be uplifted and taken abroad.
* The State retains 51% ownership, and 51% of dividends paid – plus taxes paid ion dividends. Put aside GST.
* Government borrowing for infrastructure development is reduced by the sale of a 49 % interest.
* NZ “ownership” is still somewhere between 80 – 90 %
* Any reduction in Government debt is more beneficial than ownership
* etc.

The argument could go around and around. It last stopped for a head count in 2011. The next stop will be 2014.

As for the red melons…, I cannot recall a single responsible policy/attitude by those folk. kennedy Graham, I regard, As the

On those issues, we clearly agree to disagree.
Bests
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November 6, 2013 12:13pm
kowtow

Lance

re the curry powered rocket it is appalling that India is a nuclear weaponed country ,has one of the most powerful navies in the world ,is now sending a rocket to Mars when the majority of homes don’t have a shitter connected to a sewerage system.Even major projects like new airports!

Untouchables still scoop human shit out of the bottom of middle class apartments ,put it in baskets on their backs and take it to collection points!

But that’s OK ,the white colonials are responsible for all the third world’s ills and but they’ll send a rocket to Mars!

Now the fucken Pakis will have to match this and send an Allah rocket somewhere.Meanwhile the relatively few school girls who do go to school there stand a good chance of being shot!
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November 6, 2013 12:19pm
Manolo

How much they miss comrade Julia and psycho Kevin.
Australian left-wing MSM on Abbott: http://www.theage.com.au/comment/pm-stumbling-around-the-international-stage-20131105-2wz4q.html
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November 6, 2013 12:31pm
Pete George

Willy Jackson and John Tamihere have been getting a lot of criticism for an interview they did yesterday with a girl on about ‘Roast Busters’. I listened to it last night, I didn’t think it was as horrific as some have claimed but it wasn’t flash.

@MattNippert
Wrong-headed Jackson/Tamihere interview with friend of Roastbusters victim yanked – comments slagging hosts remain:

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Friend-of-an-alleged-Roast-Busters-victim-calls-Willie–JT/tabid/506/articleID/38783/Default.aspx

An open letter to the RadioLive hosts:

Tena korua John and Willie

Yesterday we were sent the link to your radio programme of your discussion with ‘Amy’. Listening to your programme is a rare event in both of our whare. Why? Because the views you espouse are on the whole conservative, often ignorant and nearly always sexist. So we are not surprised with the misogynistic undertones of how you spoke to ‘Amy’.

What is saddening is the fact that you seem to have absolutely no awareness or experience of the impact of rape on the lives of it’s victims and survivors.

What is disturbing is that you show no empathy for the pain and ongoing distress caused by sexual violence on entire whanau.

What is alarming is that with all the involvement you have in providing programmes within urban Maori communities that you remain ignorant of the destruction caused by rape culture.

What is disconcerting is that you have no sense of understanding for how difficult it is to talk to others about being raped, about sexual violence, about family violence let alone what it means to be 14, 15 or 16 years old.

What is disgusting is that you seem to revel in the deep-seated ignorance on these issues.

Rape, whether it be of a woman abducted, or of a mother catching a bus home after work, or of a young woman out for drinks with her friends, or of any woman in her own home by someone she knows – is rape.

Rape, John and Willie, is rape.

Rape, John, is not about “how free and easy are you kids out there these days”.

Rape, Willie, is not about how you are too young to have a drink out with friends.

Rape has nothing to do with if they are good looking. ‘Good looking’ men rape too Willie.

Rape – John and Willie – is rape.

Your continual use of media to promote sexist, anti-Maori women sentiments, and rape culture can only be a reflection of your own beliefs about women. There is no other reason for the flow of misogynistic diatribe that falls so easily from your mouths.

This is not the first time that you have both supported rapists or deeply offensive sexist behaviour. It is a consistent activity on your part. Dismissal of women, marginalisation of Maori women and the promotion of male supremacy is commonplace on your shows and in your commentary. This is not the first time we have called you out on that.

These girls and young women are peoples’ friends, daughters, sisters, cousins, grandaughters. Women raped by those men you support and promote are daughters, sisters, cousins, grandaughters. That is what you are promoting Willy and John. You are supporting and promoting a rape culture that lays blame at the feet of those women who should in society be free to have a drink, wear whatever they wish, go out with friends and feel safe to do so.

You need to think of all the women in your whanau and in your circles, John and Willie. You need to see the act of rape as an act of abuse, an act of power and an act that instills fear, and act that impacts on all women, on all wahine Maori including all those wahine within your own whanau. Perhaps then you would be less dismissive of their pain and less promoting of the violent acts being perpetuated everyday on our wahine.

There were some pertinent questions you could have asked yesterday to instead call our rape culture, our systemic enforcement of it and our everyday sexism to account. We never expected this of you both because that takes real journalism.

Both of you alongside Radio Live AT THE LEAST owe a formal and unconditional apology to all who have experienced sexual abuse and rape. You owe an apology to their families. You owe an apology to any human who has been disgusted by your remarks yesterday and your attitude towards ‘Amy’ and all like her.

Yesterday we put out a public call to Radio Live for Marama Davidson to talk on your show but not to debate the validity of your attitude. There is no argument there. You are simply wrong and likely to have caused further harm to any person triggered by your ignorance. We would have appreciated the chance to be a voice to unpick that harm and call you to account and most importanly, to stand in support of ‘Amy’ and all like her. We are still waiting for your invite……..

We hope you have the sense to reflect on your actions. We hope you and Radio Live at th least offer a formal apology.

Na matou
Te Wharepora Hou Maori Women’s Group
Dr Leonie Pihama and Marama Davidson

http://tewhareporahou.wordpress.com/2013/11/05/open-letter-to-john-and-willie/

But their ignorance continues:

Toby Manhire ‏@toby_etc

Willie Jackson apologises, incl on behalf of Radio Live, for “any offence caused to Amy”, but says he’s no idea how ppl could be upset.

John Tamihere: “the questions put were prudent and worthy of putting”. He’s “flummoxed” by people who amplify details of “phraseology”.

@JodiIhaka

Jesus Christ Jackson and JT apologise immediately!!!!

Doesn’t sound like this sideshow is anywhere near over yet.

‏@RadioLIVENZ is trying to promote it as an apology.

AUDIO: Willie & JT apologise for handling of ‘Roast Busters’ caller “Amy”
http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Friend-of-an-alleged-Roast-Busters-victim-calls-Willie–JT/tabid/506/articleID/38783/Default.aspx
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November 6, 2013 12:34pm
cha

Smoking crack looks to be the least of Rob Ford’s problems.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/highlights-from-court-documents-on-mayor-fords-friend-alessandro-lisi/article15180501/

http://www.vice.com/en_us/read/rob-fords-office-hired-a-hacker-to-destroy-the-crack-tape

http://fuckrobford.blogspot.co.uk/
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November 6, 2013 12:34pm
mandk

It gets worse and worse.
More bad news for the melons:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9368290/Kiwis-living-the-good-life
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November 6, 2013 12:40pm
Pete George

@CactusKate2: Great to read lots of Maori women out there on Twitter climbing into Willie and JT. Silent too long.

And some Maori men.
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November 6, 2013 12:43pm
dime

Something new from Labour? :

KiwiKai.

It will replace all these nasty multinationals who are poisoning us with their terrible food and taking all the money overseas.

KiwiKai will serve delicious meals approved by every health board, lobby group in the country. Delicious.

Labour will spend 14 million dollars building a website where people can see the menu.

Another 9 million on developing fun apps for the iphone and Android ecosystem. Kids will be able to log in and play awesome games that shows them how healthy their dinner will be.

To order, kiwis will just need to file a form 36 working days before they want their awesome takeaways.

Orders will be delivered using public transport only.

KiwiKai – keeping kiwi families healthy.
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November 6, 2013 12:43pm
dime

Id rather have a mayor who parties than one who jerks off all over himself in his office….and talks about hip hop.
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November 6, 2013 12:45pm
Ashley Schaeffer

I’ve always hated fucking bananas and now I have another reason…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9368536/Invasion-of-the-killer-banana-spiders
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November 6, 2013 12:59pm
trout

Keith Locke will be horrified to have just learnt that he was not one of the 88 persons spied on by the GCSB. Did they not think he was important enough? We await the demand for a judicial review.
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November 6, 2013 1:00pm
Keeping Stock

@ trout – I am going to ask Gareth Hughes to demand an inquiry as to why Locke was NOT spied on 😀
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November 6, 2013 1:04pm
iMP

Ashley, Bananas are fine, don’t be so prejudiced. They’re bent, which is the new straight, and yellow which is the new greenback.
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November 6, 2013 1:24pm
Fletch

TV One News presenter Greg Boyed seen mocking a kid who was in a news story, didn’t know he was on air?

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10151965499929254&set=vb.531204253&type=2&theater
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November 6, 2013 1:40pm
Weihana

Fletch (5,024) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 11:29 am

A man in the US runs a stop sign, is arrested by police (because it looks like he might be clenching his butt cheeks) is anally probed multiple times (including a colonoscopy), given an enema and made to crap in front of police and finally billed for the procedures. And what did they find? Nothing.

This is an extreme example of something that happens every day. I’m not sure why anyone would be surprised, this sort of thing is an integral part of the war on drugs. The police are investigating activity where the participants are consenting. If you cannot rely on formal complaints to precipitate your investigations you have to go looking for “things”.

The basic problem occurred when the man was initially suspected for no other reason than he was clenching his buttocks . Every subsequent step simply compounded that initial injustice. But that sort of injustice happens Every. Single. Day.
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November 6, 2013 1:45pm
Paulus

David Cunliffe and the Parliamentary wing of Labour have no say in selecting Labour MPs.

Coatsworth, Kelly and Timmy Barnett (nearly a woman) have the say along with other Unionists.
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November 6, 2013 1:51pm
kowtow

fletch

Boyed is a prat who regularly editorialises. I resent how my taxes keep him and the other TVNZ activist, minority issue barrow pushers on air.
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November 6, 2013 1:55pm
Redbaiter

“this sort of thing is an integral part of the war on drugs.”

The war on drugs is a libertarian illusion.

If it were a real war it would have been won.

What you call a war is really a capitulation to weakness and a lack of will. Another outcome of the Progressive’s success in the culture war. And accompanying constituional infringements.

Other countries can enforce drug laws.

That the US can’t is no reason to tout drug laws as universally unenforceable.
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November 6, 2013 1:59pm
TheContrarian

The US does enforce it’s drug laws, with much zeal. Just so happens that it has done nothing to stop the flow, purity or lowering price of drugs.
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November 6, 2013 2:11pm
Redbaiter

Bullshit- the whole US Justice system is dysfunctional. The country is in certain parts awash in crime and violence. In other parts its not.

What’s the difference?

Areas where progressives have social and political ascendancy (Chicago, Detroit for a couple of examples) are stinking derelict degenerative holes.

That’s the problem.

Where you won, civilisation loses.
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November 6, 2013 2:16pm
Weihana

Redbaiter (6,111) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 1:59 pm

The war on drugs is a libertarian illusion.

Nixon was a libertarian?

If it were a real war it would have been won.

Every war involves BOTH a winner and a loser.

What you call a war is really a capitulation to weakness and a lack of will. Another outcome of the Progressive’s success in the culture war. And accompanying constituional infringements.

What part of the constitution gives the federal government the authority to legislate on what drugs individuals may choose to put into their own body?

Other countries can enforce drug laws.

I have no doubt. But the methods they employ are no less outrageous than this example. In fact the execution of an individual for mere possession or transportation of a plant has to be regarded as among the most barbaric of practices employed by any government on the planet.

That the US can’t is no reason to tout drug laws as universally unenforceable.

It is not a question of enforcibility. The United States has the biggest prison population in the world, largely because it enforces these laws. Whether they work to increase the safety and wellbeing of the population is the question. I submit they do not and not for lack of trying.
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November 6, 2013 2:37pm
Redbaiter

“What part of the constitution gives the federal government the authority to legislate on what drugs individuals may choose to put into their own body?”

That part of the constitution that says the law is supreme and to be enforced without fear or favour. If a law is uncosntitutional then it can be challenged and remved. The problem is progs like you, who call on the constituion here, in other places repudiate it and call those who wrote it out of touch old white men, and say the Constitution is a “living document”.

Don’t talk to me about the Constitution. You’re a Progressive and a troll, and you don’t give a fuck for the Constitution, or the Republic it underpins.

” I submit they do not and not for lack of trying.”

Two answers.

1) Laws are for moral people. Once you destroy morality, laws are generally unenforceable.

2) Other places, where morality still is a factor in the way the population lives, can run a justice system. There are manifold examples.

You and other amoral progs are the reason that in some parts of the US the law is unenforceable.
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November 6, 2013 2:45pm
wikiriwhis business

“We’ve got people on the other side [the Dark Side] who think we should reduce the population of the earth. That’s Satan’s plan, of course. Jacques Cousteau [you’ve seen his underwater documentaries] said we need to eliminate 350,000 people a day. Ted Turner [you pay for his cable TV networks] said we need a 95% decline in population. Okay, Ted, you first. These guys for the New World Order want to reduce the population of the world [from it’s present 6 billion] to a half billion.”

“Charles Wurster [Environmental Defense Fund] said people are the cause of all problems, we need to get rid of some of them. Bill Clinton [disgraced & impeached U.S. President] signed the Bio Diversity treaty that said we need to reduce the earth’s population to 1 billion. They’ve already got the earth [including the United States Of America] divided up into regions. Red areas are for animals only, no human beings allowed. The treaty’s been signed, it just hasn’t been enforced yet. Coming soon, though.”

“Peter Singer [he’s a Princeton professor teaching your childrens] is the guy who wants to have abortions AFTER the baby’s born. You’ve got 28 days to decide if you want to keep it. He said Christianity is our foe; if animal rights is to succeed, we must destroy the Judeo-Christian religious tradition. Like animals have more rights than humans. Alan Gregg [official for the Rockefeller Foundation] said the world has cancer and the cancer is man. Prince Phillip [aren’t you glad the U.S. doesn’t have Royalty?] said if I could be reincarnated I would wish to return to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels. A nice guy, that Phil.”

“BTW, Monsanto [international] is busy working on genetically modified foods. They banned them in Europe. But 70% of everything you eat now contains genetically modified foods, causing all kinds of problems with health. Get the book SEEDS OF DECEPTION [by Jeffrey Smith] to get a whole lot more on that or ENGINEERED EXTINCTION from the New American magazine about how our food is being tampered with to reduce the population. The U.N. said food is power, we use it to control behavior, we do not apologize.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVeA07d2F_I
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November 6, 2013 2:53pm
Weihana

Redbaiter (6,112) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 2:45 pm

That part of the constitution that says the law is supreme and to be enforced without fear or favour. If a law is uncosntitutional then it can be challenged and remved.

Under the United States legal system the constitution is the supreme law. But that is not what I asked you. I asked you which part of the constitution gives the federal government the authority to legislate on personal drug use.

The problem is progs like you, who call on the constituion here, in other places repudiate it and call those who wrote it out of touch old white men, and say the Constitution is a “living document”.

What I think on any other topic is irrelevant. The question is where is the constitutional authority for the federal war on drugs. You scoff at the notion it is a “living document” and therefore I expect that you will be able to point out the unambiguous passage in the constitution that gives the federal government the power to regulate personal drug use.

1) Laws are for moral people. Once you destroy morality, laws are generally unenforceable.

Well no, laws are by definition written for those who don’t follow the rules and are therefore deemed immoral. Hence we don’t have laws which read: “You should love and respect your mother for she brought you into this world and raised you to be the man you are today”.
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November 6, 2013 3:06pm
TheContrarian

@wikiriwhis business

Who gives a shit what Kent Hovind has to say. He’s a moron.
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November 6, 2013 3:12pm
Longknives

“Id rather have a mayor who parties than one who jerks off all over himself in his office….and talks about hip hop.”

True Dime- If the Masturbating Mayor had smoked crack I could maybe forgive him but his love of the freaking abomination against music that is ‘Hip Hop’??
Unforgivable.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWkT4Ri5U9E
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November 6, 2013 3:14pm
Redbaiter

“Well no, laws are by definition written for those who don’t follow the rules and are therefore deemed immoral.”

No they are not. Laws are underpinned by a civilisation. A civil people. Once that civilisation degenerates, laws are useless. The degeneration occurring in places where Progressives like you dominate the culture is proof of this.

And it does matter what your personal views are. Its long past time you and every other progressive took personal responsibility for the outcomes of your voting patterns and political beliefs.

As for your question on what is constitutional. I have already answered it. If drug laws are unconstitutional then why haven’t the left dissolved them?

Of course this is all based on another daft libertarian/ Objectivist claim that drug use has no effect upon anyone but the user. This is just not true. If you’re going to try and push a religion that is underpinned by objectivity then such foundations should be based on fact not legend.
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November 6, 2013 3:17pm
dime

Longknives – check out the pic of the crack smoking mayor. he looks like a funny bastard. i could see him pulling an all nighter at showies, then heading upstairs for a..
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November 6, 2013 3:33pm
Tom Jackson

Willy Jackson and John Tamihere have been getting a lot of criticism for an interview they did yesterday with a girl on about ‘Roast Busters’. I listened to it last night, I didn’t think it was as horrific as some have claimed but it wasn’t flash.

The professional rape loons are in full flight now. They’ve been waiting for anything approaching Steubenville to happen in NZ, so that they can mouth off with their weird non-empirical views

They’re the biggest impediment to doing something about the rate of rape in NZ.
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November 6, 2013 3:59pm
Manolo

Catastrophic Kenyan Messiah aside, the Democrats keep winning: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/05/democrat-terry-mcauliffe-projected-to-win-va-governor-race-in-surprisingly/

US sliding downhill rapidly.
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November 6, 2013 4:00pm
Kea

It is hilarious seeing Red lecture us about civil behaviour and decency 🙂
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November 6, 2013 4:03pm
cha

A wee tune to celebrate the real winner Manolo.

http://youtu.be/shWL8sk6xx4
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November 6, 2013 4:15pm
stigie

@Kea
It is hilarious seeing Red lecture us about civil behaviour and decency 🙂

This is all your fault, you and Nasskas, the way Reddy behaves and feels about himself !~
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November 6, 2013 4:36pm
Weihana

Redbaiter (6,113) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 3:17 pm

Laws are underpinned by a civilisation. A civil people. Once that civilisation degenerates, laws are useless.

Actually I agree. But then, this undermines the notion that barbaric methods are required to deal with drug abuse.

As for your question on what is constitutional. I have already answered it. If drug laws are unconstitutional then why haven’t the left dissolved them?

Great, so you agree Obamacare is constitutional. 🙂

It’s a simple question Red. What part of the constitution permits the federal government to regulate personal drug use? You either know which part does or you do not.

But you know as well as I that the only way the federal government gets to prohibit personal drug use is through a very imaginative interpretation of the enumerated powers given to Congress, one that implies that the constitution is a “living document”. Ergo, you are guilty of supporting the exact same practice that you criticize “progs” for.

Of course this is all based on another daft libertarian/ Objectivist claim that drug use has no effect upon anyone but the user. This is just not true.

Indeed it isn’t, and I’m not claiming such. The damage from alcohol is proof enough that drug abuse effects everyone.

If you’re going to try and push a religion that is underpinned by objectivity then such foundations should be based on fact not legend.

Indeed. Equip yourself with the facts.

http://www.globalcommissionondrugs.org/
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November 6, 2013 4:40pm
Kea

This is all your fault, you and Nasskas, the way Reddy behaves and feels about himself !~

stigie, Next thing you will be blaming me for is fixation on male bum sex and ~~anticipation~~ fear of being arse raped by Nazis 🙂
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November 6, 2013 4:44pm
stigie

Thought it was Homofacists you were worried about Kea ?
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November 6, 2013 5:03pm
Redbaiter

Hey Stigie, don’t swallow all of Kea’s jism at once will you. Don’t forget you need to share with Narsekissa. (He’ll be along soon)
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November 6, 2013 5:13pm
Reid

This is quite good, unless you’re one of those people who think we mustn’t cwiticise Wall Streeters because they wepwesent the fwee market and they’re weally weally wich and therefore ‘successful’ and any cwiticism is ergo ipso facto cogito ergo sum merely outwageous envy and thus invalid no matter what it is…

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-scam-wall-street-learned-from-the-mafia-20120620

But the media are onto it, of course they are. Just because they’re owned and contwolled by the vewy same people who did this, doesn’t mean it won’t be a world-wide global news phenomena any minute now…
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November 6, 2013 5:15pm
Redbaiter

“It’s a simple question Red. What part of the constitution permits the federal government to regulate personal drug use? You either know which part does or you do not.”

I have never pretended to know that. I merely make the observation that if they are unconstitutional then they should be removed. If they are not then so be it. I don’t even know what law you are referring to, and how clear cut it is. For example search laws are obviously completely out of control, but nothing will be done to change this while Progs are running things.
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November 6, 2013 5:17pm
stigie

@Redbaiter
Hey Stigie, don’t swallow all of Kea’s jism at once will you. Don’t forget you need to share with Narsekissa. (He’ll be along soon)

Thats a bit rough cumming from you Reddy, anyway i dont do that on the first date ya hear !!~
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November 6, 2013 5:23pm
Bad__Cat

HHSLance (2,158) Says:
November 6th, 2013 at 11:31 am
“And the aid stupidity keeps on rolling.”

I agree. Too much aid (and welfare) just enables people without brains, assets or the ability to feed themselves, to breed and breed and breed. We are expected to rescue them, year after year.
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November 6, 2013 5:23pm
Kea

don’t swallow all of Kea’s jism at once will you. Don’t forget you need to share with Narsekissa.

At last a subject Red can speak authoritatively on.

And a pleasant change from his daily references to other male homosexual acts.
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November 6, 2013 5:35pm
Fletch

The 36 times Obama lied (on video at least, there may be more) about people who already have health care being able to keep it. Period, End of story. Only… now it isn’t. Now he has retconned it by saying that ” what we said was you can keep it if it hasn’t changed since the law passed”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpa-5JdCnmo

What a blatant liar. And what’s more, the WH knew it was a lie since 2010. Now it is estimated that at least 129 million will be thrown off the plans they like and already have, and prices will double or triple for almost everyone.
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November 6, 2013 5:57pm
Viking2

A blonde walks in the ice cream parlor and orders a chocolate ice cream cone.

The clerk tells her that he has no chocolate ice cream, only vanilla and strawberry.

The blonde then orders a pint of chocolate ice cream.

The clerk once again tells her he has no chocolate ice cream, just vanilla and strawberry.

The blonde then orders a quart of chocolate ice cream.

The clerk once again tells her he has no chocolate ice cream, only vanilla and strawberry.

The blonde then orders a half gallon of chocolate ice cream.

The clerk then asks her how she spells van as in vanilla.

She says, V-A-N.

He then asks her how she spells straw as in strawberry.

She says, S-T-R-A-W

He then asks her how she spells fuck as in chocolate.

After a while she says there is no fuck in chocolate.

THATS WHAT I’VE BEEN TRYING TO TELL YOU
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November 6, 2013 6:18pm
Viking2

I note that the useless idiot has managed to find all sorts of supposed rorts, overcharging, lack of selection of materials and lack of innovation in the building industry.
He apparently wants contractors to pass on thier margins to the customer.
He should ask the Smith family how many cheap crane hours they give to each customer.

Fucking idiot.

If he doesn’t manage to stop the building industry it will be a major surprise.
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November 6, 2013 6:21pm
Manolo

@Fletch: How much the American MSM defends and protects the Kenyan liar is beyond belief.
They are all in the tank with the Messiah.
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November 6, 2013 6:23pm
Kea

Manolo, the contrasting media treatment of Bush & Obama was a turning point for me. I now regard media bias as the most harmful influence in our society.
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November 6, 2013 6:29pm
Fletch

Oh, as and as well, the Obama administration has exempted Obamacare from fraud prosecution, meaning that it is open to abuse through kick-backs, bribes and the like.

NEW YORK TIMES— The Affordable Care Act is the biggest new health care program in decades, but the Obama administration has ruled that neither the federal insurance exchange nor the federal subsidies paid to insurance companies on behalf of low-income people are “federal health care programs.”

The surprise decision, disclosed last week, exempts subsidized health insurance from a law that bans rebates, kickbacks, bribes and certain other financial arrangements in federal health programs, stripping law enforcement of a powerful tool used to fight fraud in other health care programs, like Medicare.

The main purpose of the anti-kickback law, as described by federal courts in scores of Medicare cases, is to protect patients and taxpayers against the undue influence of money on medical decisions.

Kathleen Sebelius, the secretary of health and human services, disclosed her interpretation of the law in a letter to Representative Jim McDermott, Democrat of Washington, who had asked her views. She did not explain the legal rationale for her decision, which followed a spirited debate within the administration

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/05/us/politics/federal-health-law-may-not-be-a-federal-health-care-program.html?_r=2&

I can’t see how they’re not intentionally trying to f*ck up the country.
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