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nostrils

“More than 1000 people turned up at one of Auckland’s famous west coast beaches to protest against deep sea oil drilling in New Zealand waters today.

Protesters turned up in their droves, waving and carrying banners, to show their support for the Oil Free Seas flotilla, which is protesting where oil giant Anadarko intends to begin drilling off the coast of Raglan.”

I wonder how many drove out in those awful cars……….
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November 23, 2013 5:50pm
Harriet

Nasska I’m not spinning it. Go look at all the figures about it. Priests do have to go through seminaries and most of them are young males.. Abuse did happen mostly in boarding schools and orphanges. The majority of offences were committed decades ago – and the charges were laid decades later.

And look today at the child porn arrests – no priests. Teahers and sports coaches though!

I’ll bet you all the money you like that the roast busters were right into internet porn. Parenting of course is how you stop it where kids are concerned, but the majority of people going before the courts on sexual charges are adults. And porn is central to their behaviour.

And no, porn has not been ‘largely consumed’ by mankind throughout history as ‘moving pictures’ have only been around for the last 100yrs or so. Still photographs and paintings would not have the same effect on young minds as hardcore motion sex would now have.
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November 23, 2013 5:59pm
Gulag1917

nostrils… Expecting too much for the watermelons to be consistent.
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November 23, 2013 6:00pm
Gulag1917

I know a lot of Catholics and do not know of any case whereby a cleric has abused. Statistically abuse does happen so it will have happened. I guess I know 100 Catholics and not one case of abuse. Has the child abuse situation been blown out of all proportion. Growing up I heard stories of the evil things Catholics did but there was never any evidence of it.
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November 23, 2013 6:06pm
Harriet

“….In the US alone 3,400 priests…”

Even today there is over 40,000 priests in the US. During the boarding school days in the 40’s 50’s 60’s and 70’s when abuse occured there would have been far more priests ect.

There is an aphlabetical list of all the priests, nuns ect in the US who have been ‘interviewed’ not ‘charged and found guilty’ about their past ‘deeds’ and sure it is all abuse – but from what I saw, some of it was just ‘outrageous general assault’ and not sexual assault. Lots of it was not the ‘sucking and fucking’ variety of sexual abuse either – but mutual masterbation – a form of sexual abuse that would warrant less of a financial payout.

“……a dozen or so religious orders and diocese have gone bust and several dozen more have taken steps to protect themselves from bankruptcy proceedings…..”

It’s not against the law.
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November 23, 2013 6:08pm
cha

– but mutual masterbation – a form of sexual abuse that would warrant less of a financial payout.

Do carry on defending the indefensible harry-it, you’re doing a fine job reinforcing the notion that the laity tolerates the sexual abuse of children.
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November 23, 2013 6:30pm
Harriet

“….Has the child abuse situation been blown out of all proportion. Growing up I heard stories of the evil things Catholics did but there was never any evidence of it….”

There are to things happening in general:

1. Make the Vatican accountable for ALL past child abuse.

2. Reform the Catholic Church.

It hasn’t been blown out of proportion but rather, omissions are made by the MSM ect to give the appearance that ALL the blame should be given to the Vatican along with blame of the abusers. Sure the Vatican has wronged people in some cases, but that doesn’t mean that they are culpable in every case of child abuse. Yet everytime a matter of past child abuse is mentioned in the MSM in Australaia – the Vatican tag is mentioned right alongside it.

Some of the MSM ect is calling for Priests to have wifes – in the believe that it will stop sexual abuse – but as members of the Church has said – plenty of husbands and fathers sexually abuse people.

And that ” if it is best practise for a male to have sex with a female, then you also have to support the message that we send out, that homosexuality is a sin and not for the benefit of full individual happiness. And that ‘feminists may well tell you that husbands wanting to have sex with a wife when they naturally have an erection – does not then mean that you always should, restraint is a virtue. Priests restrain themselves.’ – This was from memory the words given to the MSM on the first day of the Australian sbuse inquiry when the question was asked of a high ranking Catholic Priest.

In other words – the MSM ect wants women ordained ect.
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November 23, 2013 6:31pm
Harriet

November 23rd, 2013 at 6:30 pm

– but mutual masterbation – a form of sexual abuse that would warrant less of a financial payout.

Do carry on defending the indefensible harry-it, you’re doing a fine job reinforcing the notion that the laity tolerates the sexual abuse of children.

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Don’t be a fuckwit Cha – the courts in NZ sentance people exactly the same way – are you also suggesting that the courts tolerate sexual abuse of children?

I’m just saying that payments to victims will be different from one victim to another.

In NZ I don’t believe the level of sodomy by priests was as large a proportion of sexual offences as it was in other countries – therefor payouts over all will be lower.

What I found interesting about it all was the comments made on the ABC by victims of sexual abuse:

“I went on to be gay.” “I then lived the gay lifestyle.” ect. Very interesting Cha!

It’s also very common to see those statements being made in all court cases by victims of child sexual abuse.
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November 23, 2013 6:40pm
wiseowl

Now we have a bloody muslim calling for all meat to be Halal in NZ.
Piss off!
And for Minister Collins to be supportive is most disappointing.Kowtow to everyone that wants to dictate to us as kiwis.

Just piss off.When is someone going to stand up for this bloody country, our sovereignty !

We are being sold down the river.
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November 23, 2013 6:48pm
Harriet

“…..And for Minister Collins to be supportive[of muslims] is most disappointing….”

Yes, very much so.

Supportive of the fact they should live like kiwis – or live like others?

Does Ms Collins really support the idea that muslim girls should have their ‘pleasure bit’ cut off – and everyone else should support that too?

Unfucken believable when the Australian Federal Police announced a year ago that “We know exactly where Australian and NZ Muslims take their daughters to in Indonesia to get their ‘cut”.

Collins like everyone else in the NZ government never qualifies intellectuly what they think, instead it is just motherhood statements like ‘support’ – and if you don’t ‘support them’ then you are the one with a shortcoming!

We should cut Collin’s tongue out if she thinks we should support such a sick fucken ideal! 😎
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November 23, 2013 7:04pm
OneTrack

bereal-5:11 – re Morgan Tait. Dont knock it. He is now ready to move on to his dream job at the Womans Weekly. All the rest of the “reporters” will be so jealous.
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November 23, 2013 7:22pm
Lucia Maria

13-year-old pleads guilty to rape of 8-year-old girl: was addicted to porn by age 10:

FLINTSHIRE, ENGLAND, November 20, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) – A 13-year old boy in England has pled guilty to rape, attempted rape and sexual assault of an eight-year old girl, and, according to reports, pornography may have played a significant part in his crimes. The actions took place when he was 10.

The boy, who had been abused by his mother’s partner and neglected by his mother, was sentenced to three years of rehabilitation. He became addicted to pornography by the age of 10, having been allowed to watch pornography for hours at a time starting at age nine.

The judge who sentenced him to rehabilitation told the boy he was using the girl “play out fantasies that you had been watching on the internet, images of extreme pornography.”

The boy may also have viewed his mother and her partner engaging in sexual relations at least once, according to what the court heard.

According to Dawn Hawkins, the Executive Director of Morality in Media, the boy’s actions are no surprise. “He’s acting out with another kid what he viewed. It’s common among adults, and even more common among children. With pornography, children are mimicking what they see adults do, and they don’t know it’s wrong. They haven’t been taught that yet.”

Hawkins pointed to law enforcement officials who note pornography is heavily related to sexual abuse.
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November 23, 2013 7:31pm
thedavincimode

pornography and Catholicismis heavily related to sexual abuse

There ya go.

Am I right in inferring that you’re blaming pornography for this? Or are you criticising the parenting? Or are you observing the susceptibility of children to being brain-washed and completely de-sensitised to social, ethical and moral norms? And is it possible that those pre-disposed to sexual abuse will find their way to pornography?
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November 23, 2013 7:42pm
thedavincimode

Mark Nicholas sucking up large .. urgh … eeww
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November 23, 2013 7:48pm
nickb

I’m listening on a stream which only has English commentators – Nasser/Botham/Atherton/Bumble etc.

Aussie domination
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November 23, 2013 7:53pm
nasska

A 90-year-old man goes for a physical. All of his tests come back with normal results.

The doctor says “George, everything looks great. How are you doing mentally and emotionally? Are you at peace with God?”

George replies “God and I are tight. He knows I have poor eyesight, so He’s fixed it so when I get up in the middle of the night to go to the bathroom, poof! The light goes on. When I’m done, poof! The light goes off”.

“Wow, that’s incredible” the doctor says.

A little later in the day, the doctor calls George’s wife. “Ethel” he says “George is doing fine! But I had to call you because I’m in awe of his relationship with God. Is it true that he gets up during the night, and poof, the light goes on in the bathroom, and when he’s done, poof, the light goes off?”

“Oh shit!” exclaims Ethel. “He’s pissing in the refrigerator again!”
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November 23, 2013 8:00pm
big bruv

Come on Aussie!

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November 23, 2013 8:01pm
Gulag1917

With continuing Islamic assertiveness Indonesia will inevitably do something militarily aggressive.
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November 23, 2013 8:03pm
big bruv

“Morality in Media, Inc. (MIM) is an American, faith-based, non-profit organization that was established in New York in 1962”

Right, so the evil Lucia thinks that a bible bashing bunch of sky fairy followers should be the ones deciding what is fit for us to view.

Once again religion refuses to leave the rest of us alone.
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November 23, 2013 8:04pm
Harriet

“…..Am I right in inferring that you’re blaming pornography for this? Or are you criticising the parenting? Or are you observing the susceptibility of children to being brain-washed and completely de-sensitised to social, ethical and moral norms? And is it possible that those pre-disposed to sexual abuse will find their way to pornography?…”

……….“A few years back, Dr. Mary Anne Layden, a sex abuse expert and psychotherapist at the University of Pennsylvania who has testified before the U.S. Senate on the dangers of online porn, addressed a forum on sex trafficking at Parliament House in Sydney.

“In an article titled ‘Online porn addiction turns our kids into victims and predators,’ The Sydney Morning Herald reported Layden as saying to the forum that in her 20 years of experience treating sexual violence victims and perpetrators in the U.S., she ‘didn’t have one case of sexual violence that didn’t involve pornography’….

“Despite its legal legs, the porn industry, in fact, aids and abets sex trafficking. Porn fuels trafficking and vice versa. As noted by She’s Somebody’s Daughter (www.somebodysdaughter.org):
-‘Pornography drives the demand for sex trafficking.’
-‘Trafficking victims are exploited in the production of pornography.’
-‘Pornography production is a form of trafficking.’
-‘Pornography is used as a training tool with sex trafficked victims’.”……….

Unless you think that the central issue in all sexual abuse is either parenting, brain-washing, or a pre-disposed ‘condition’ is Davasoline?
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November 23, 2013 8:09pm
nasska

It beats me just what naivety it is that drives the Godwhacked to post Biblical extracts & “findings” from religious organisations as irrefutable truths.

Try to get your heads around the fact that to non believers you may as well be quoting the instructions on the back of pack of instant potatoes.
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November 23, 2013 8:10pm
big bruv

hey nickb

That useless Mitchell Johnson just took another English wicket. 🙂

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November 23, 2013 8:15pm
MH

the RCC was one of the first papal car manufacturers to develop the stand up and be counted rear passenger compartment. Had more been produced it would have solved Plunket’s aim in providing improved safety for childeren under 1 metre once the airbags had been deployed. A muslim cleric who ran alongside the Papal vessel for many years taking notes and discrete photos is believed to now possess the patents to prevent the eclectic car from being Mass produced in St Peters square.
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November 23, 2013 8:15pm
bereal

OneTrack @ 7.22

The sad thing is that so many sheeple just read without engaging brain that the Morgan
Taits of our world are never questioned and therefore they just go on to bigger and bigger
travesties of ‘journalism”

It gets printed by the NZ Herald, ergo, it’s the Truth.

i would ask, OK Morgan,

“What blockbuster revalation ?”
“What bombshell?”

You fuckin excuse for a reporter. You piece of shit.

Have you ever reported an origional story in your whole pittifull career ?

Well, what was it ?
When?
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November 23, 2013 8:19pm
MH

The in-cum-bent mayor is a Roaming Catholic but not in the Jane Austin D’Arcy mould. Why re-sign when one has absolution on hand.
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November 23, 2013 8:25pm
Harriet

The very same people who believe in biology over creationism will have you believe:

In utero = foetus
Ex utero = baby

So what, some type of magical transmogrification takes place in the cervix? One moment a foetus, the next a baby.

You progs and your lack of support for proper education and your pornographic based death culture are not fit for human society.

You are very unbalanced.
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November 23, 2013 8:27pm
Steve (North Shore)

Just needs an automatic choke for the backseat driver MH
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November 23, 2013 8:34pm
nasska

Woman’s unfertilised egg catching the monthly menstrual to nowhere.

Harriet’s nocturnal emission.

The potential of a baby hasn’t been realised in each of those scenarios either. You’re only arguing about how far back or forward we should go.
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November 23, 2013 8:36pm
thedavincimode

nasska

It’s the same pre-disposition towards shameless bullshitting that afflicts Cuntliffe and his mates.
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November 23, 2013 8:44pm
Harriet

Women are being inhumane when they abort babies at such late stages Nasska. It’s that simple.

Would they suggest to their 6yld old or 12lyd that they do the same – like they did to their siblings. Hardly. Most women don’t even like telling their adult children at any stage in life that they aborted one of their siblings, as that child is then scared from it also.
Abortion is half lies and the other half bullshit – and women are starting to see it.

Pornography will make another generation of women victims of some sort of sex act.
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November 23, 2013 8:48pm
nasska

It’s a waste of time debating with either group Davinci…..their minds were made up for them in infancy.

I just like to see them give the ideology a workout periodically. 🙂
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November 23, 2013 8:49pm
Rowan

Without Kea I would have thought there was no need for the religous hate columns, whatever god you do or don’t have in your lives, is literally that bad that you f…wits have to spew out your hatred of religion in these bigoted hate columns all over DPFs blog.
Get a life and stop adding to DPFs blog statistics for the sake of it!
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November 23, 2013 8:55pm
thedavincimode

Ideology? That’s one word for it.
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November 23, 2013 8:55pm
MH

The mere fact Beaven Chuang.
Is that an example of onomatopoeia? I resign on his behalf. Sintax is all out of whack.
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November 23, 2013 8:59pm
Harriet

“……And as a woman, so I am told, I must above all, first and foremost, protect the sole and absolute claim I have on my body. There is no pledge I can make of my body that I should not be able to take back.
So say the legions of feminists who have protested, leafleted, marched, written and spoken on my behalf.

The problem is, my children seemed to have missed the cultural memo.

My two daughters’ need for my body did not stop when I gave birth to them. They need to be fed, clothed, cuddled, taught, and constantly supervised. This fulfillment involves, on my part, the giving of my body, and at times the denial of my bodily needs. And if anyone has a right to anything, children, I believe, have a right to the fulfillment of those needs.

My children have a claim on my body that is as real as my own. Parental love is utterly premised upon this.

Please note what I am not saying here. I am not saying “parents should run themselves to the ground, completely ignore their own needs, and wreak havoc on their physical well-being in order to attend to their children’s every demand.” We need to take care of ourselves as well, for many reasons, not least of which is that we can hardly take care of others if we don’t take care of ourselves.

Providentially, my need to take care of myself at the expense, sometimes, of distress on my children’s part actually coincides with their needs. I happen to think it’s good for children to experience some deprivation. The older they get, the more crucial this becomes to their character formation, and to their ability to make that all important distinction between “I want” and “I need.” They certainly will not be equipped to be good parents themselves, or virtuous adults in any capacity, if they do not learn this…..”
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November 23, 2013 9:14pm
Steve (North Shore)

MH,
Women make farting noises when they are having sex?
Good on ya mate for telling us what we know. You reckon Bevan is a screamer?
So are you, with words like that. Discombobulated mate
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November 23, 2013 9:17pm
Gulag1917

TPP: Fast Track to Fascism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1AJN1_Wu4o
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November 23, 2013 10:01pm
Gulag1917

Pornography is a major problem [covering the spectrum of society] and it is going to result in further physical attacks. It can only do one thing and that is get out of control with sufficient physical horrendous damage to provoke greater restriction to it. People being slow learners, [must learn by hard experience] any restriction to it will take a mighty long time.
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November 23, 2013 10:22pm
Pete George

The very same people who believe in biology over creationism will have you believe:

In utero = foetus
Ex utero = baby

So what, some type of magical transmogrification takes place in the cervix? One moment a foetus, the next a baby.

It’s called birth. That isn’t a transmogrification but it’s a major change from being physically attached to and a part of the mother.

In utero there is a time where the foetus changes from being totally dependent on it’s host to potentially being able to survive without it’s mother. That’s why the rights and wellbeing of the mother are considered important.

We have evolved from a patriarchal society where women were for breeding with no say over their lives to now where women have rights over their own bodies.
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November 24, 2013 6:06am
prinCamLot

Dear wiseowl

Around 90/95% of our meat is Halal slaughtered which in affect means ALL meat is Halal slaughter but not quite all meat. It is well known that NZ has the largest Halal freezing works in the world.

Pork is not a permitted food so this is free from Halal control. There are slaughter houses in Southland – farmer controlled and run – that are free from this practice. You can order online and have delivered to Auckland and Wellington cheaper than what can be purchased in supermarkets but that’s by the by.

P.S. the cost of Halal certification is passed onto the consumer, and proceeds used as the Federation sees fit aka to fund madras’ and mosques
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November 24, 2013 1:54pm
wikiriwhis business

‘TPP: Fast Track to Fascism’

National publicly proclaiming sterilisation of beneficiaries and arresting anyone on a flimsy compliant without proof. Both Paula Bennett policies.

After this oil out rage protest how can National win in 2014 with their naked arrogance
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November 24, 2013 2:01pm
RichardX

Fletch (5,126) Says:
November 23rd, 2013 at 11:21 am

Actually griff, the amounts of abuse in churches are no different than any other organisation (teachers, scouts);in fact, there is more abuse in schools. It’s just that the media tends to focus on churches.

You don’t think churches should be held to a higher standard?
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