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big bruv

Has Len Brown resigned yet?
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November 22, 2013 8:01am
hj

Karl du Fresne on The Mob

Sigh. Here we go again: the tyranny of the mob. Emboldened by numbers and anonymity, the finger-waggers swarm on to Twitter and Facebook, demanding the heads of RadioLive broadcasters Willie Jackson and John Tamihere for asking supposedly inappropriate questions of the friend of an alleged Roast Busters victim. Moral righteousness is never so easy as when there are thousands of you and opinion is never cheaper than when you can join the shrill chorus of condemnation without having to identify yourself.

We have been here before. We saw it with the furore over the late Paul Holmes’ throwaway remark – which I suspect was meant ironically, although that point was lost in the moralistic clamour that ensued – about Kofi Annan being a “cheeky darkie”. We saw it again when Alasdair Thompson was hounded from his job because he made a perfectly legitimate remark that was deemed offensive to women.Once again we see timid corporate advertisers being panicked and bullied into boycotting the programme involved, just as happened to Holmes. And once again we see the contrite hosts making the now-ritual apology – and inevitably, then being condemned because it wasn’t considered sincere enough. You can’t win.

http://breakingviewsnz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/karl-du-fresne-tyranny-of-mob-again.html
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November 22, 2013 8:01am
iMP

Gerry Brownlee warming up his bulldozer today as Dalziel & Co play power games in Christchurch.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/bulldozer-brownlee-in-the-lurp-moves-on-christchurch-cc-go-gerry/
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November 22, 2013 8:03am
hj

Diversity Fails to produce sense of community.
[Tags Spoonley, Green party, Keith Lockes Entrails, Public Address and know -it-alls (sans commonsense)]

Urbanists and planners like to imagine and design for a world of diversity. Diversity, we like to think, is both a social good and, as I’ve argued, a spur to innovation and economic growth.
But to what degree is this goal of diverse, cohesive community attainable, even in theory?
That’s the key question behind an intriguing new study, “The (In)compatibility of Diversity and Sense of Community,” published in the November edition of the American Journal of Community Psychology. The study, by sociologist Zachary Neal and psychologist Jennifer Watling Neal, both of Michigan State University (full disclosure: I was an external member of the former’s dissertation committee), develops a nifty agent-based computer model to test this question.
Their simulations of more than 20 million virtual “neighborhoods” demonstrate a troubling paradox: that community and diversity may be fundamentally incompatible goals. As the authors explain, integration “provides opportunities for intergroup contact that are necessary to promote respect for diversity, but may prevent the formation of dense interpersonal networks that are necessary to promote sense of community.”

http://www.theatlanticcities.com/neighborhoods/2013/11/paradox-diverse-communities/7614/
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November 22, 2013 8:05am
Pete George

Duncan Garner had to push hard but David Cunliffe eventually said, effectively, that he would stop deep sea drilling until he was happy better standards were in place,

Garner: Ok, so you’d stop it for now and wait til you could get better standards, local standards that you were satisfied with.

Cunliffe: We’d get the standards in place and then we’d take them on a case by case basis.

Greens would never support allowing drilling so Labour would have to get National’s co-operation.

It was obvious that Cunliffe was not well informed about current standards and practices in the industry. He seems to have rushed into an issue of the day without getting up to speed first. He seems to have relied in Labour MP Moana Mackey. She opposes oil exploration.

Cunliffe would stop deep sea drilling (with full RadioLive interview transcripts with Cunliffe and David Robinson).
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November 22, 2013 8:07am
hj

iMP (1,761) Says:
November 22nd, 2013 at 8:03 am

Gerry Brownlee warming up his bulldozer today as Dalziel & Co play power games in Christchurch.
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Land Grab in The Suburbs

Bill Demeter has an ambition and it’s a modest one. Call it a quiet protest: he wants his recently renovated 1908 villa to be the last Edwardian house standing in St Albans.

All around him they’re falling, victims of high-density plans for Christchurch’s inner suburbs. He’s heard unofficially that 512 homes built before 1920 were torn down last year in a 2km radius from Cathedral Square.

Now, few would argue that high-density living isn’t better for the city’s long-term future than endless suburban sprawl. The issue for Demeter and Christoph Hensch, co-chairs of the St Albans Community Centre and Residents Association, is about what high density should look like and whether those who live next door to it or across the road get any say.

“We don’t want to hinder progress,” Demeter says. “Most people are aware that the neighbourhood is changing. But let’s talk.”

But talking requires someone who wants to listen — and there’s the problem. What can residents do when a big, multi-unit development goes up next door? The simple answer: nothing.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/christchurch-life/mainlander/293579/Land-grab-in-the-suburbs

Population increase is government policy. Labour and the Greens support immigration [Green Policy statement is duplicitous].
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November 22, 2013 8:08am
kowtow

When a rogue American soldier (female) abuses prisoners in Iraq the world’s media and left wing commentariat go into a frenzy.

When Iraq has a frenzy of executing terrorists the world’s media (the vast majority)and left wing commentariat………ignore it.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-11-18/middle-east/44201316_1_iraq-executes-death-penalty-latest-executions
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November 22, 2013 8:09am
iMP

Chch East by-election leaflet #2… Nats.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/christchurch-east-by-election-leaflets-2-of-4/
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November 22, 2013 8:19am
kowtow

oi ,hj, didn’t you get the memo that “diversity” is to be celebrated and that it brings communities and people together?And that questioning it is racism or “Islamophobia”?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2510542/Britains-white-honour-killing-Teenager-brutally-murdered-Muslim-lover-exposing-relationship-family.html
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November 22, 2013 8:19am
hj

Peak Oil Delayed [How time flys?]

Shale’s Effect on Oil Supply Is Forecast to Be Brief

WASHINGTON — The boom in oil from shale formations in recent years has generated a lot of discussion that the United States could eventually return to energy self-sufficiency, but according to a report released Tuesday by the International Energy Agency, production of such oil in the United States and worldwide will provide only a temporary respite from reliance on the Middle East.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/13/business/energy-environment/shales-effect-on-oil-supply-is-not-expected-to-last.html?_r=1&

Cornucopian Failure

According to a newly released report by the Paris-based International Energy Association (IEA), “Tracking Clean Energy Progress 2013”, notwithstanding some bright spots, there is little progress in reducing the carbon content of energy sources.

http://www.planetizen.com/node/61959
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November 22, 2013 8:23am
calendar girl

As the UN’s “climate change” campaign gradually loses credibility as justification for transfer-taxing developed economies, a new villain is promoted as a contributor to global warming – nitrous oxide:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-25037861

Once again farming is targeted as a principal target, this time in relation to nitrogen fertilizers. How long before Dr Nick Smith is volunteering “laughing gas taxes” as our cure for the world’s problems?
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November 22, 2013 8:27am
Longknives

So I hear Len Brown is too much of a snivelling coward to even attend the Christmas Parade this year and front the Auckland public (who he so happily fleeces so much in salary and perks from)??
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November 22, 2013 8:34am
big bruv

Anyway….

So as I was watching the first days play of the Gabba Ashes test it struck me that this may well be the first time in decades that there has not been a truly great player in either team.

Some very, very good players yes, but no (as yet) true greats.
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November 22, 2013 8:37am
flipper

PEAK OIL? Bullshit.

The nonsense written by international troughers continues unabated, evidence to the contrary notwithstanding. And the gullible children in the MSM lap it up. It makes for head lines….and…above all else, by lines..

It have frequently quoted the following published by The Outside The Beltway Group some seven months ago….

*** ” We have been looking, out of curiosity, at some published prognostications on World oil reserves.

We do not presume to have expert knowledge, but we are amused by frequent doomsday predictions, and therefore put this note forward as a reminder of predictions past, together with the observation that 20/20 hindsight is wonderful. We emphasise, however, that we are not advocating adoption of the “precautionary principle” approach, as advocated by the DAGW IPCC/red melons.

Following the (1973) Yom Kippur war, the CIA and other intelligence organisations compiled and circulated formal reports on future world oil production and price. The CIA report in particular, to which one of our contributors had officially sanctioned access, played a large role in the New Zealand Muldoon/Birch “Think Big” programme. But the CIA and the NZ (and other) Government(s) were in good company.

We note the following (E & OE), which is based on mostly US sources (because the US has been the main driver in World oil exploration and development:
1882 — Institute of Mining Engineers estimates 95 million barrels of oil remain.
1926 — Federal Oil Conservation Board estimates 4.5 billion barrels remain.
1932 — Federal Oil Conservation Board estimates 10 billion barrels of oil remain.
1944 — Petroleum Administrator for War estimates 20 billion barrels of oil remain.
1950 — American Petroleum Institute says world oil reserves are at 100 billion barrels.
1980 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 648 billion barrels
1993 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 999 billion barrels
2000 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1016 billion barrels.
2003 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1212 billion barrels. (Source: Offshore Support Journal – OSJ)
2007 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1313 billion barrels. (OSJ)
2011 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1469 billion barrels. (OSJ)
2013 — Remaining proven oil reserves put at 1637 billion barrels. (OSJ)
There is a trend here, is there not?
Widespread use of fracking, and access to tar sands, will continue to increase oil reserves, while newly discovered, vast quantities of shale gas will inevitably shape our energy future. Solar, wind, tidal and other means of energy production – all high capital cost/high maintenance/short life/ un-storable (at present) means of electricity generation for domestic, industrial, and transportation purposes – will play a role, but not, in the foreseeable future, to the extent that politicians, and silly NGOs, with rose tinted spectacles, predict.
The red melon Greens will be ever so pleased! :-) *** “
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November 22, 2013 8:42am
Reid

Yet another nail in the secretive coffin that is the TPP which Key and co are determined to foist upon us.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=11160268

I’m in favour of free trade when it’s a negotiation with a govt, but not when it’s a negotiation with corporations hiding behind puppets, which this is. This reminds me of the way Palestinians are treated when they negotiate with ~~Israelstrike> the US, and we should expect about the same results from this as they have ever got from those.~~
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November 22, 2013 8:50am
Longknives

Bruv- That’s the weakest Australian Test side I have ever seen. Clarke is world class but the rest are damn fortunate that all the greats have retired..
As for England- Cook has the potential to be one of the all-time greats of the game, and as much as it pains me to say it Pietersen is also a damn good player.

Having said all that- Both these sides would still beat the ‘Slack caps’ inside three days..
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November 22, 2013 8:50am
Nookin

If he doesn’t like it here then I know an easy fix. Bugger off to the Big Apple. I am sure there will be lots of excitement.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30004589/dotcom-slams-mediocre-nz-in-book
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November 22, 2013 8:57am
hj

“Immigration creates winners and losers, gains and losses.”

Profound ambivalence

Americans’ conflicted opinions about immigration are reflected in the mixed economic effects of immigration: While immigration benefits some players in the economy, it works to the detriment of others.

Divided opinions on immigration are reflected in all levels of society. Within both major political parties, there is a sharp disagreement over U.S. immigration policy.

“The Republican Party is split; and in the Democratic Party there is division as well – although they would not like to admit it,” Hanson said. “The division we see in political parties is mirrored in the nation as a whole.”

According to a 2005 Pew Hispanic Center survey, 53 percent of respondents said illegal immigrants should be required to return to their home countries, while 40 percent of respondents said illegal immigrants should be offered amnesty or another option to stay in the U.S.
(See Prof. Hanson’s Power Point presentation, slide 2.)

“Survey after survey shows the country is roughly split down the middle when it comes to immigration: Half of the country wants to see stronger restrictions on immigration; slightly less than half feels a more open immigration policy is the best thing,” Hanson said.

The immigration issue has caused splits in some surprising quarters. Union leaders have embraced immigration, while the union rank and file has been more skeptical. Some environmentalists have adopted strong anti-immigration tendencies. A dissident faction of the Sierra Club has tried to get the organization to take an anti-immigration stand.

Hanson sees these divisions as closely correlated with the economics of the issue. “The political debate about immigration is informative about economic outcomes,” he said.

http://www.analysisonline.org/site/aoarticle_display.asp?issue_id=1&news_id=140001400&sec_id=140002434

In New Zealand, the 1987 policy change was unfavorably hyped as an “opening of the floodgates” that brought about an “Asian invasion,” partly because of New Zealand’s hitherto racial homogeneity and society’s lack of experience in encountering migrants from Asia. The uneasy feelings gave rise to periodic anti-immigrant backlash and recurrent xenophobia.

Populist politicians seized the opportunity by playing the race card during general election times, and immigration has remained a hot topic in New Zealand consciousness ever since. In spite of popular outcry of “too many Asians” and sporadic attempts by the government to tweak immigration policies to achieve a more ideal racial mix in the name of social cohesion, there is little likelihood of New Zealand ever closing its doors again.

http://www.migrationinformation.org/Feature/display.cfm?ID=878
The old (anti democratic) immigration tight scrum: National, Labour, Green Party: Aotearoa the way it should be.
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November 22, 2013 8:58am
liarbors a joke

..I wonder who’s taking ‘care’ of Bevan now…Id give ‘er a shot..just for shits and giggles
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November 22, 2013 8:59am
wikiriwhis business

Cynthia McKinney
So, now that Afghanistan heroin production is 40 TIMES larger than it was before the U.S. military action there, U.S. troops will never leave until WE in the U.S. stop this occupation. Looks like the Obama Administration will reward the fake Afghani government with billions of dollars in exchange for allowing U.S. troops to remain there. Remember, according to the U.N., the Taliban had ZEROED poppy production in one year by May 2001; can’t have that, now can we?? http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/20/world/taliban-s-ban-on-poppy-a-success-us-aides-say.html
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November 22, 2013 9:04am
Keeping Stock

Russel Norman is carping about John Key allowing the NSA to spy on New Zealanders. But the time period he is moaning about is actually 2005-2007 when Helen Clark was still PM, and Russel Norman had not yet leap-frogged into Parliament (d’you like the green pun?) before the 2008 election to campaign for the Greens on the taxpayer dime.

So Norman needs to address his whinge to Helen Clark. And whilst he’s at it, he should ask if the NSA had anything to do with the theft of Don Brash’s e-mails, and their leak to Green-aligned activist Nicky Hager?

It’s another own goal from Norman, not that the MSM is likely to call him on it.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/ask-right-person-russel.html
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November 22, 2013 9:04am
Longknives

After already being hauled out of the drink (at the taxpayers expense) once this idiot is going to have another go…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9428789/Strait-cyclist-plans-second-attempt
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November 22, 2013 9:06am
iMP

VIDEO: here is the moment Lianne Dalziel cancels the LURP deputations and debate that has annoyed Gerry Brownlee who will now take action over CCC’s head if they don’t resolve this today.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/22/video-dalziel-cancelling-lurp-debate/
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November 22, 2013 9:25am
kowtow

……..the Taliban had ZEROED poppy production in one year…..

A couple of points:

The UN were keeping accurate figures for Afghan poppy production in 2001 ,yeah right! and

the west could also ZERO narcotics ,if we employed Taliban law and tactics…..any takers?
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November 22, 2013 9:30am
Scott

Another liberal reform epic fail –

“The Prostitution Reform Act decriminalised brothels, escort agencies, and soliciting when it narrowly passed into law by one vote in 2003.

The act not only encouraged more men to buy sex, but transformed prostitution into an acceptable, even attractive job for young, poor women in New Zealand, Subritzky said.

The petition, with 2910 signatures, calls for a law change which will make the purchase of sexual services illegal, extending the existing law which enables clients of underage prostitutes to be prosecuted.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9428778/Ex-prostitutes-call-for-law-change
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November 22, 2013 9:35am
wikiriwhis business

Dotcom slams mediocre NZ in book

“If you are used to money and you are used to a good lifestyle, New Zealand doesn’t really have much to offer … It is all kind of mediocre”

Kim.Com
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30004589/dotcom-slams-mediocre-nz-in-book

Not totally opposed to these thoughts. NZ is simply a great safe place to raise kids and produce innovaters who are forced offshore because NZ companies are too conservative. Esp when public figures like Michael Cullen said we had to get rid of the no 8 wire mentality
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November 22, 2013 9:40am
wikiriwhis business

‘The petition, with 2910 signatures, calls for a law change which will make the purchase of sexual services illegal, extending the existing law which enables clients of underage prostitutes to be prosecuted.”

With the govt seeking ways to revenue Marijuana without losing face I can’t see this moving forward
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November 22, 2013 9:42am
Pete George

The petition, with 2910 signatures…

That’s not likely to get anywhere. A petition with over 100 times as many signatures managed to initiate a referendum but that too was always going to be futile.
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November 22, 2013 9:44am
wikiriwhis business

LG smart TVs secretly collecting data

If you consider your TV a private safe haven, it might be time to think again.

A UK blogger has discovered that LG’s smart TVs seem to collect personal data even when such functionality is explicitly forbidden by its user.

Doctor Beet noticed that his LG set was sending his private data, regardless of whether a software toggle called “Collection of watching info” was turned on or off.

Looking at the logs from his router, he noticed that the TV was sending station metadata to an LG server.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/gadgets/30004553/lg-smart-tvs-secretly-collecting-data

This is why we are switching to new TV technology. THe govt is spying on you in your own home.

The conspiracy deepens
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November 22, 2013 9:45am
wikiriwhis business

Bennett won’t make way for Craig

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9428729/Bennett-won-t-make-way-for-Craig

Never vote for someone with a double chin. Their butt will be broader.

A lot of comments Bennett is losing weight. Probably a strategy for advancement and closer to leadership.
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November 22, 2013 9:49am
igm

Radio and print media went into a frenzy over “Tojo” Cunliffe’s revelation about deep sea oil exploration, once again doing no research as to the authenticity of his claims. Not only are they false and untrue, but the facts have been displayed on the net for a couple of years, and they are ambiguous. Notice they have made no attempt to retract these untrue and false statements.
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November 22, 2013 9:51am
dime

Bruv – a crap game played by a few shitty countries. the population of india is the only thing that gives it credibility.

the commentators are the most biased on the planet. the aussies have a long history of cheating.

its just sad that their entire nation gives a fuck about this game.

a game that has been hijcaked by twenty20 cricket. a version of the game dumbed down to 3 hours for the masses.

players who are worn out because they chase the dollar in twenty20 comps around the world and then they are too fucked to play for their country.

players who talk about their “brand”

their world cups are in the form of ODI’s and T20 – games created by television networks. total sell outs.

Bruv – thats what you sound like when you comment on every rugby game with the same boring shit

*Dime fucking loves cricket.
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November 22, 2013 9:52am
Weihana

kowtow (5,773) Says:
November 22nd, 2013 at 9:30 am

the west could also ZERO narcotics ,if we employed Taliban law and tactics…..any takers?

Taliban tactics are already employed… Search ‘Los Zetas’ on Google Images.
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November 22, 2013 9:58am
nickb

Dime, I was getting mad there for a second!!!

And come on bruv. Cook and Pietersen could legitimately be called greats at the moment. Michael Clarke certainly also.

Their standings in the game will only keep improving.
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November 22, 2013 10:05am
flipper

Well the green/liarbore/union referendum voting papers arrived this morning.

Mine have already been posted back with a very large tick in the “YES” box. May be abstention would be better, but done!
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November 22, 2013 10:21am
Reid

the west could also ZERO narcotics ,if we employed Taliban law and tactics…..any takers?

The West could zero narcotics if it took out the profit margin from the gangs by decriminalising everything across the board and treating it as what it is, a public health issue. That’s the only possible solution, but they won’t do that because they use it to fund their black operations and that’s why this no-brainer obvious solution is never ever discussed. Illegal drugs money is second only to arms trading in the world. In the US a large large percentage of the incarcerated are for drug offences, serving long sentences many in private prisons.

All those vested interests reaching up to the highest levels of govt will never ever willingly let it go, unless and until the sheeple drop the scales from their eyes, but that’s not going to happen anytime soon.
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November 22, 2013 10:25am
Simon

Has Kiwiblog done a JKF post yet?

Some people must be busting for one.
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November 22, 2013 10:30am
RightNow

Dotcom can only blame himself if he hasn’t found the levels of excitement he desires. There are a myriad of things he could do in NZ to make it more interesting. I suggest he try bungy jumping, skydiving, wingsuiting and base jumping. That should get his adrenalin pumping.
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November 22, 2013 10:30am
hj

Developers winning out over farmland preservation, B.C. planner says

The biggest cities in Canada are where the best farmland is, said David Connell, an associate professor of environmental planning at the University of Northern British Columbia in Prince George, and that has led to constant and increasing pressure to develop agricultural land for golf courses, condominiums and shopping malls – or rodeo grounds, as happened this year in Fort St. John, B.C.
“How important is the preservation of our best farmland to the public in B.C. and to citizens of communities across Canada?” he asked. “Are local, provincial and federal bodies implementing policies that reflect the priorities of citizens? We are going to try to measure that [in the research project].”

Dr. Connell, who is leading the study, said a flurry of news reports over the past week about a controversial cabinet proposal to strip B.C.’s Agricultural Land Commission of most its power is a reminder of the high level of public interest in the pressures at play in the management of farmland.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/developers-winning-out-over-farmland-preservation-bc-planner-says/article15454282/
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November 22, 2013 10:31am
Fletch

In the U.S Harry Reid and Democrats take the “nuclear option”, and change the filibuster law that has been in place since 1806. This is the same law that Bush wanted to change in 2005 and Reid opposed.

The Democratically controlled Senate on Thursday struck down the long-standing filibuster rules for most presidential nominations, voting mostly along party lines to alter nearly 225 years of precedent.

The rule change would allow federal judge nominees and executive-office appointments to be confirmed by a simple majority of senators, rather than the 60-vote super majority that has been required for more than two centuries. The change would not apply to Supreme Court nominations. It would dramatically alter the landscape for both Democratic and Republican presidents, especially if their own political party holds a majority of, but fewer than 60, Senate seats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/senate-poised-to-limit-filibusters-in-party-line-vote-that-would-alter-centuries-of-precedent/2013/11/21/d065cfe8-52b6-11e3-9fe0-fd2ca728e67c_story.html

This is important because the Obama administration has been trying to stack courts with their own judges – many of those nominations had been filibustered by Senate Republicans, but they will no longer be able to do that. Republicans warn they may come to regret it, when the GOP has a Senate majority.
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November 22, 2013 10:32am
Jack5

This could be a smart idea from the Dutch – putting alcoholics to work street cleaning, paying them with beer as well as cash.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/amsterdam-gives-alcoholics-beer-to-clean-city-streets-a-934916.html#ref=nl-international
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November 22, 2013 10:35am
Weihana

Oh how times have changed. When George Bush was in office, Senate Democrats approved nearly 200 nominees for district and circuit courts, without filibuster. When in July 2004 Democrats blocked three nominees were (bringing the grand total to ten), the GOP screamed bloody murder, with breathless accusations that Democrats broke Senate tradition.

Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) was beside himself with indignation, claiming that “It is a sad commentary on the deterioration of the judicial confirmation process that we are now approaching double-digit filibusters.”

Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY), then the Majority Whip, complained that Democrats were attempting to diminish executive power: “What we’re talking about, then, is senators wanting to adorn themselves with the power of co-nomination.” McConnell demanded that Democrats “move away from advise and obstruct and get back to advise and consent.” He demanded “a simple up-or-down vote” declaring that Democrats wanted to “take away the power to nominate from the president and grant it to a minority of 41 senators.” Assuming the mantle of the patriot, McConnell said in May 2005, “The majority in the Senate is prepared to restore the Senate’s traditions and precedence to ensure that regardless of party, any president’s judicial nominees, after full and fair debate, receive a simple up-or-down vote on the Senate floor.”

Senator Jeff Sessions (R-AL) went nearly ballistic in the face of Democratic opposition to Bush’s nominees, lamenting with great piety the Democrats’ “unprecedented, obstructive tactics.” He claimed it was “really wrong” that Democrats opposed Bush nominees “on a partisan filibuster.” He righteously demanded “an up-and-down vote.”

Senator Lindsey Graham (R-SC) warned ominously that “if the filibuster becomes an institutional response where 40 senators driven by special interest groups declare war on nominees in the future, the consequence will be that the judiciary will be destroyed over time.”

Bill Frist (R-TN) in 2005 complained loudly that the Democrats were “attempting to change 225 years of constitutional history” by opposing George Bush’s nominees. He went on: “Appeals court judicial nominees should get a fair, open, and exhaustive debate, and then they should get an up-or-down vote. Whether on the floor or in committee, it is time for judicial obstruction to end no matter which party controls the White House or the Senate. Senate tradition is comprised of shared values based on civility and respect for the Constitution. I sincerely hope that Senate tradition can be restored. It is a matter of fairness. It is a matter of honor. It is our constitutional duty to give these nominees a vote.”

Apparently, having a black, Kenyan-born Communist who is both Muslim and a radical Christian in the Oval Office changes the rules.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-schweitzer/the-gop-mines-an-endless-_b_4304556.html
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November 22, 2013 10:37am
martinh

Well Dotcom comes off like a dick.
if he wants to see pretty woman he should of stayed in Aisa as its obviously yellow fever he has.
All i can say is that if wins his case he still cant travel anywhere so sucked in for mocking NZ woman.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30004589/dotcom-slams-mediocre-nz-in-book
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November 22, 2013 10:37am
Reid

Has Kiwiblog done a JKF post yet? Some people must be busting for one.

Why?

Anyone who thinks LHO did it acting alone is a brain-dead fool who doesn’t understand anything about anything and there’s not a lot of point in talking to people like that.

But for those who aren’t that but who simply haven’t yet bothered to look closely into it because they’re too busy living life in their gilded prison, here’s a very short summary of who did and the possible reasons why.

http://presstv.com/detail/2013/11/20/335614/jury-verdict-prove-cia-killed-jfk/

The bold one is my personal belief but many think his Executive Order 11110 shutting down the ability of the Fed to print fiat currency was the reason, and they may be right.

Why did the CIA kill JFK? As Hunt explained, everyone in the CIA loathed President Kennedy, who had left over 1400 CIA mercenaries to be slaughtered or captured during the Bay of Pigs debacle, and who was pushing “treasonous” plans for peace with Cuba, Vietnam, and even the Soviet Union. Additionally, Kennedy was going all out to shut down Israel’s nuclear weapons program, trying to end the Federal Reserve’s private currency monopoly, and threatening oilmen’s profits by ending the depletion allowance. Though the American people loved JFK, America’s corrupt elite hated him.
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November 22, 2013 10:57am
Scott

Also one more shining example of the religion of peace –
“A well-known Norwegian anchorwoman has been suspended for wearing a necklace with a tiny cross while reading the news on air.
The firing reportedly happened after members of the local Muslim community protested, claiming that the “chain with the cross offends Islam” and that “this symbol does not guarantee the impartiality of the channel,”

– See more at: http://www.mychristiandaily.com/index.php/uk/179-news-item-4-uk-europe/8505-tv-presenter-suspended-for-wearing-cross-necklace-on-air#sthash.eaVDrz3R.dpuf
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November 22, 2013 10:58am
Weihana

Fletch (5,106) Says:
November 22nd, 2013 at 10:32 am

This is important because the Obama administration has been trying to stack courts…

Stacking courts? You mean filling vacancies? i.e. his job?
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November 22, 2013 10:58am
Keeping Stock

igm said

Radio and print media went into a frenzy over “Tojo” Cunliffe’s revelation about deep sea oil exploration, once again doing no research as to the authenticity of his claims. Not only are they false and untrue, but the facts have been displayed on the net for a couple of years, and they are ambiguous. Notice they have made no attempt to retract these untrue and false statements.

To its credit, RadioLive carried a response from PEPANZ yesterday pointing out the very points you make. This is not simply a beat-up from Cunliffe and his cousin; it is an outright lie, and he needs to be held to account for it. However, I won’t hold my breath… 😛
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November 22, 2013 11:08am
Fletch

Weihana, from back in 2005 when Bush was Pres –

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkXjYohzAOY

Says it all really.
All depends who is in power.
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November 22, 2013 11:14am
Pete George

Collins to open New Zealand’s first Muslim forum

Ethnic Affairs Minister Judith Collins will open New Zealand’s first Muslim World Forum in Auckland tomorrow and says it’s an example of our nation’s world-leading approach to building harmonious relations.

“This Forum is a fantastic opportunity for the Muslim community to reflect on its journey so far and discuss its future contribution to New Zealand,” Ms Collins says.

“Regardless of our religion, ethnicity or place of birth, we are all on the same journey – to find our voice as New Zealanders.

“This Forum will break down stereotypes so we can appreciate diversity and be in a better position to take advantage of all the opportunities this diversity brings”.

http://www.judithcollins.co.nz/index.php?/archives/483-Collins-opens-New-Zealands-first-Muslim-forum.html

More information about the Forum: http://ethnicaffairs.govt.nz/events/muslim-world-forum-2013.

FHM
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November 22, 2013 11:27am
Fletch

PG, she’s a fool. Obama has bent over backwards for the Muslims to create “harmonious relations” and it has backfired badly.
What makes Collins think she can change it?
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November 22, 2013 11:30am
martinh

Colins is a tough battleaxe.
At least shes giving it a try
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November 22, 2013 11:34am
liarbors a joke

“Collins to open New Zealand’s first Muslim forum”

Oh joy of joy..haven’t we learnt anything from the demise of England and co…we dont want nz muslimised.
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November 22, 2013 11:36am
martinh

IGM
its such a load of shit, 70%, of course there is going to be some injury to a worker on a boat in that time frame. i only work on a boat ocassionally and ive being in to hospital many times from it. Mostly large waves knocking me into something sharp or blunt and infectious.
What a load of shit foghorn Cunliffe is trying. He treats us all for being thickos- no surprises after hearing his harvard poem what a tosser
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November 22, 2013 11:36am
Weihana

Fletch (5,107) Says:
November 22nd, 2013 at 11:14 am

Weihana, from back in 2005 when Bush was Pres –

No speakers for video but I get the gist.

All depends who is in power.

Agreed. Whichever president is in power may get to tip the balance in courts if vacancies open up. The senate is there to ensure those appointed are suitably qualified. I don’t favour Bush’s nominations to the SCOTUS, but they were suitably qualified for the job. Equally, Republicans may not favour Obama’s nominations but they are qualified too.
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November 22, 2013 11:37am
big bruv

Longknives

Not suggesting for a moment that Cook, Clarke (who is closest to being one of the game Greats) Pieterson and Anderson are not very good or exceptional players.

My point is that not one of them has yet graduated to that elite status.

Dime.

You are beginning to sound like Pete George, what business is it of yours how I feel about the NZ rugby team?, if you don’t like it don’t fucking read it.

nickb.

Once a player attains “Great” status they have it for life, your comment supports my assertion that nobody from these teams has yet got there.
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November 22, 2013 11:39am
Pete George

Fletch – what does she have to change? A few entrenched attitudes of rival religionists here?
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November 22, 2013 11:40am
martinh

What a load of idiots the media are not challenging him on this, makes me angry. No surprises that all the people i met in my varsity years who were the drunks and the idiots who got carried away with gossip and innuendo were those “studying ” journalism. Basiclally all it taught them was shorthand and most failed at that
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November 22, 2013 11:40am
dime

“You are beginning to sound like Pete George, what business is it of yours how I feel about the NZ rugby team?, if you don’t like it don’t fucking read it.”

Im the one sounding like PG?

Youre the relentless one posting inane shit every goddam game
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November 22, 2013 11:41am
Weihana

Pete George (19,836) Says:
November 22nd, 2013 at 11:27 am

“Regardless of our religion, ethnicity or place of birth, we are all on the same journey – to find our voice as New Zealanders.

“This Forum will break down stereotypes so we can appreciate diversity and be in a better position to take advantage of all the opportunities this diversity brings”.

How exactly will those stereotypes be broken down I wonder?

Perhaps the best way to do that is to have a real discussion about the things that concern people with regards to Islam such as the concept of free speech, whether Islam’s tolerance for alternative viewpoints is limited to that which doesn’t offend them, whether homosexual and women’s rights can be respected in Islam, and whether Muslims favour liberal secularism as practiced in New Zealand or whether they favour an Islamic state.

I think most people accept that most Muslims are like most other people, going about their lives peacefully trying to make ends meet. They shouldn’t be shouted at in grocery stores and they shouldn’t be discriminated against. But does this mean we should tip toe around the tinderbox of issues that makes people concerned about Islam, and is the basis of stereotypes?

Maybe there are some uncomfortable truths to acknowledge, but then perhaps shining a light on those truths may also reveal that there are more liberal minded voices in that community and that their community can be as diverse as our own.
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November 22, 2013 11:48am
Pete George

whether homosexual and women’s rights can be respected in Islam

Muslims in New Zealand? They are not responsible for a wide variety of Muslims elsewhere in the world.

I don’t see Muslims here speaking and campaigning against homosexual and women’s rights.
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November 22, 2013 11:53am
Fletch

PG, whenever anyone talks about “harmonious relations” with Muslims, it comes down to one thing: appeasement. By us.
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November 22, 2013 11:54am
Ashley Schaeffer

This Forum will break down stereotypes so we can appreciate diversity and be in a better position to take advantage of all the opportunities this diversity brings

Because there’s one thing that Muslims love, and that’s diversity.
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November 22, 2013 12:01pm
Fletch

Speaking of Islam and Iran – the leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, on Wednesday referred to Israel and Israelis as “unclean, rabid dogs”, while the crowd watching chanted “death to America” and “death to Israel”. And these are the same people the U.S is pushing to relax sanctions on while they still develop nuclear weapons?

The U.N had nothing to say about it, but Netanyahu did.

In an address to an assembly of tens of thousands of Basij militiamen, Khamenei declared that Israel was doomed to fail and characterized the “Zionist regime” as the “sinister, unclean rabid dog of the region.” He also said Israelis “cannot be called human beings.” Footage of the event showed the crowd shouting “Death to America” and “Death to Israel.”

At a meeting Thursday morning with Jewish leaders in Moscow, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said today’s Iran reminded him “of the dark regimes of the past that plotted against us first and then against all of humanity,” and thus had to prevented from attaining nuclear weapons. “The real Iran is what the leader of Iran, Khamenei, said yesterday,” said Netanyahu. “He called Jews ‘rabid dogs’ and said that they were not human. The public responded to him with calls of ‘Death to America! Death to Israel!’ Doesn’t this sound familiar to you? This is the real Iran! We are not confused,” said Netanyahu.

Khamenei delivered the speech hours before the resumption of talks in Geneva between the P5+1 countries and Iran on thwarting Iran’s rogue nuclear program.

To Israel’s dismay, the speech did not prompt an immediate condemnation by the United States, the officials said Thursday. On Wednesday, in response to a reporter’s question, Stat Department spokesperson Jen Psaki merely called the comments “not helpful.”

She said, in full: ” I think at this point in the negotiations, things are certainly sensitive, and certainly we are focused on moving all sides towards a successful outcome. Certainly, you’re all familiar with how we feel about Israel – they’re our close ally, a close friend, we are very focused on their security – one of the reasons that we’re so committed to these talks. Obviously, comments like these [by Khamenei] are not helpful, but we still believe that both sides are negotiating in good faith. We still believe that we’re closer than we were going into Geneva, and we still feel that we have an opportunity to move forward on a diplomatic path with the Iranians, and I would feel pretty confident in saying that the other P5+1 members feel the same way.”

http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-unpleasantly-surprised-by-us-silence-on-khameneis-vicious-speech/

So Kahmenei’s comments are “not helpful” according to the U.S.

*shakes head*
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November 22, 2013 12:01pm
Pete George

What appeasement happens in New Zealand? I live amongst a diverse population including Muslims – I frequently see Muslims on the street and in shops here – and don’t feel any need to appease them. I’m actually sometimes in situations where appeasing to other religious preferences occurs, not my thing but I can opt out without prejudice.
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November 22, 2013 12:02pm
liarbors a joke

you’re one of the ‘useful idiots’ Pete George…
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November 22, 2013 12:09pm
nostrils

Have watched a couple of programmes about JFK, “Killing Kennedy” and “The Day Kennedy Died” (ITV).
I’m happy in the knowledge that they got the right bloke.
I also think (know) that we went to the moon 🙂
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November 22, 2013 12:12pm
dime

“What appeasement happens in New Zealand? I live amongst a diverse population including Muslims – I frequently see Muslims on the street and in shops here – and don’t feel any need to appease them. ”

Their aren’t enough of them to fuck with us. Lets hope it stays that way.

If you want a close example – go hang out in western sydney. merrylands would be nice. book into a motel for a week or so. then report back.
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November 22, 2013 12:12pm
liarbors a joke

Good point. Have you travelled much PG ? Have you been outside of NZ? Been to Aussie , Asia , Europe?
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November 22, 2013 12:13pm
Reid

People who condemn Islam and by extension every single Muslim as irredeemable fanatics who just can’t wait to blow everyone and everything up if they’re only given half a chance are not only behaving precisely as those people whom they so rigorously condemn but are also incorrect in their analysis both of the nature of the actual real facts of the issue and in their suggested solution to it.

For the actual factual reality is, is that while every community of Muslims has all the shades of the rainbow in terms of their characters, as every human community does, only a very tiny fraction of that community, as in every human community, actually really truly is indeed fanatical about it.

But because Islam has become established in those human tribes where fanaticism is much more of a way of life than it is in the West, millions if not billions of Western idiots are conflating those cultural values with the religion.

That’s their first error: their misdiagnosis of the root cause of the problem. Their second error is their idiotic conclusion that, upon observing their misdiagnosis, the way to treat it is to respond with equal ruthlessness directed toward not just the tiny proportion of fanatics but rather towards the entire population because their baseless and provably false paradigm causes them to think the only good Muslim is a dead Muslim.

Of course these galloping morons are ably assisted by the western propaganda networks aka the MSM who report faithfully everything the pro-Israeli faction wants them to hear and they don’t even recognise they’re being played like a violin.

The correct way to treat Muslims is to take them at their word and direct opprobrium not toward the entire population but to that tiny proportion of fanatics who really do want to blow up everything in sight. Such as the Muslim group who complained about that Norwegian presenter for wearing a cross. The correct response to that is to tell them to go to heck and if they don’t like it, well the Immigration people are quite willing to deport them post-haste, if they so wish to continue their hatred of the mores of their host country, to which they WILL conform, if they want to stay.

But do we see the authorities taking that line? No, of course not. And does that fact ring any bells amongst the galloping morons along the lines of: why? No again. The galloping morons after all wouldn’t want to wake up and look around to identify the real people who are playing them like violins, do they? No, that might hurt their tummies so let’s all just get with the program and keep shouting at the nasty Muslims until one day, we can really get it on and start a war with them, just as the wolves amongst us are herding the galloping morons toward.
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November 22, 2013 12:19pm
Scott

Pete – once again you are missing the point. As I posted earlier a Norwegian TV presenter was suspended following a complaint by local Moslems about the small cross that she wore. Once Moslems ever get into power in New Zealand then do not expect they will have any sympathy for any liberal rights whatsoever. They don’t anywhere else – why should we expect New Zealand to be an exception?

It is not in their mind set. There is no room for free will, there is only submission to the will of Allah.
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November 22, 2013 12:20pm
Fletch

PG, then why do we need a forum at all for a problem that doesn’t exist?
I haven’t seen Muslims here being treated unfairly.

What is the forum in response to? Why do we need it?
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November 22, 2013 12:21pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Speaking of Islam and Iran – the leader of Iran, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, on Wednesday referred to Israel and Israelis as “unclean, rabid dogs”, while the crowd watching chanted “death to America” and “death to Israel”. And these are the same people the U.S is pushing to relax sanctions on while they still develop nuclear weapons?

The Israelis won’t fuck around when it comes to Iran. There’s no way they’re going to sit back and let the Iranians build a nuke. And they will probably have support for military action from the Saudis and Egypt. I expect we will see military action against Iran in the very near future. Netanyahu will do the right thing as the Americans fade into irrelevance.
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November 22, 2013 12:28pm
Pete George

‘We’ don’t need it. Someone chose to have it. That’s a good thing about New Zealand, they are free to do that, for whatever reason they like. If the rest of us aren’t interested in taking part we are free to not take part.
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November 22, 2013 12:28pm
nostrils

Why was John Key’s name emblazoned in red across the Roast Busters petition? What has it got to do with him?
I guess that the posties in Ashburton also blame him for the magpie attacks! 🙂
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November 22, 2013 12:30pm
dime

some chick writing about the channel 9 commentary team

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/cricket/cricket-without-tony-bill-and-richie-but-stuck-with-brayshaw-summer-just-isnt-the-same/story-fni2fnmo-1226765639125

“Brayshaw has been around the edges for years, featuring in the one day commentary and dipping in with the Footy Show in Melbourne. He rarely says anything original and his out and out blokiness is way out of place in the 21st century.”

um sorry?

says who?

is he meant to be some effeminate loser metrosexual?

heres an idea sweetheart, fuck off and write about chicks cricket
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November 22, 2013 12:34pm
Ashley Schaeffer

For the actual factual reality is, is that while every community of Muslims has all the shades of the rainbow in terms of their characters, as every human community does, only a very tiny fraction of that community, as in every human community, actually really truly is indeed fanatical about it.

What I’d really love to know is how many Muslims in the average Muslim community would love to have Sharia Law recognised in their adopted country. Seems to be an awful lot of them if countries like Britain are considered. Are these Sharia-loving Muslims fanatics?
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November 22, 2013 12:37pm
Reid

Netanyahu will do the right thing as the Americans fade into irrelevance.

Yes. It’s a measure of the delusion that so many western people hallucinate “the right thing” is to let slip the dogs of war, against a country that hasn’t invaded anyone for centuries.

What I’d really love to know is how many Muslims in the average Muslim community would love to have Sharia Law recognised in their adopted country.

I’d imagine a good proportion of them, same as if you asked Christians living in a Muslim country if they’d like Christian law to be established. But so what? Like I said, the way to treat this issue is to tell the people who have decided to emigrate that they are living in a foreign land, so it’s they who must adopt. And like I said, if the authorities did that from the beginning, this issue would not exist. It’s not too late to start doing it, either.
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November 22, 2013 12:38pm
Fletch

The Israelis won’t fuck around when it comes to Iran. There’s no way they’re going to sit back and let the Iranians build a nuke.

Netanyahu made a promise – that Israel will not allow Iran to get nuclear weapons.

Netanyahu said that the “true” Iran was not the one of propaganda films produced by Foreign Minister Javad Zarif smiling and speaking about a peaceful future, but rather that of Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei calling Jews “rabid dogs.” Khamenei, at a rally in Iran on Wednesday, called Israel an “illegitimate regime” led by “untouchable rabid dogs.”

“The public responded to him with calls of ‘Death to America! Death to Israel!’” Netanyahu said, with Deputy Foreign Minister Ze’ev Elkin translating his words into Russian. “Doesn’t this sound familiar to you? This is the real Iran! We are not confused. They must not have nuclear weapons. And I promise you that they will not have nuclear weapons.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-112uCmBDMY
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November 22, 2013 12:42pm
Reid

Netanyahu made a promise – that Israel will not allow Iran to get nuclear weapons.

So Israel’s allowed to have 300+ and Iran’s not allowed one, because according to some, Iran would automatically use it because they’re so keen on having their entire country wiped off the map just to get “the Zionist entity” that MAD doesn’t apply? And some people hallucinate that’s OK and that’s the actual reality? Is that because Iswael’s the good guy and Iwan’s the big bad meany, the MSM tells us so?
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November 22, 2013 12:46pm
Fletch

Reid, basically, yes.
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November 22, 2013 12:49pm
Reid

Yes, I know Fletch. Do you know how mental that makes people who think that?
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November 22, 2013 12:49pm
Fletch

On Tuesday on the Jake Tapper show, Israeli government spokesperson Mark Regev laid it out. Iran is building ICBMs to reach the U.S. They already have missiles that reach Israel.

The U.S. view is that “the Iranians take small steps and then the international community, in parallel, takes small steps, to encourage them to move in the right direction.”

“The trouble with that equation is that it’s based on a falsehood,” because, Regev stated the Israeli understanding, it is simply not true that the Iranians are taking steps in the right direction.

And here’s the fundamental distinction: “All that we’ve seen, all the information that we have is that the Iranians are taking only cosmetic measures that in no way undermines their goal of having a nuclear weapon.

“They’re not willing to take any serious step. Not to dismantle a single centrifuge.”

That’s not just a difference in degree, it’s a difference in kind. It isn’t a question of how much, it is a question of “at all.”

I mean, the Iranians are building intercontinental ballistic missiles. They’re not building them for us, they’ve already got missiles that can reach Israel. They’re building them for you! For targets in North America and Western Europe. It’s crucial that we don’t allow them to get nuclear weapons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dcptx3wCNZk

As he says, look at what happened with North Korea.
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November 22, 2013 12:54pm
Ryan Sproull

Because there’s one thing that Muslims love, and that’s diversity.

There’s a huge amount of diversity in Muslims.
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November 22, 2013 12:57pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Yes. It’s a measure of the delusion that so many western people hallucinate “the right thing” is to let slip the dogs of war, against a country that hasn’t invaded anyone for centuries.

They don’t need to invade anyone when they sponsor terrorism around the globe. Good on ya Neville.

I’d imagine a good proportion of them, same as if you asked Christians living in a Muslim country if they’d like Christian law to be established. But so what? Like I said, the way to treat this issue is to tell the people who have decided to emigrate that they are living in a foreign land, so it’s they who must adopt. And like I said, if the authorities did that from the beginning, this issue would not exist. It’s not too late to start doing it, either.

So just tell them no and problem solved huh? Yeah right. Is it too late to start shipping them back?
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November 22, 2013 12:57pm
Reid

Yes Fletch. Has it occurred to you the tell is the report is coming from Jerusalem? Think there might be a bit of vested interest going on there?

No of course not. It’s the whole truth, isn’t it. Isweal would never ever lie, would it. After all, what do they have to gain from getting the US to help them in wiping out their biggest regional threat? Why nothing at all, right? And the fact that ten years ago the US helped them to get rid of their second-biggest regional threat has nothing whatsoever to do with anything, that was completely different, wasn’t it. Of course it was. Nothing to see here people, look, we’ve got talking heads and “regional experts” and “defense analysts” and everything.

Maaaaaaaa.

They don’t need to invade anyone when they sponsor terrorism around the globe.

You mean like how Saudi Arabia is sponsoring all those terrorist groups in Syria who right now are murdering and torturing Christians and others? Isn’t that “humane” of the west to have its main Arab ally sponsor those. You’d have thought the west might have asked SA to pull its head in, but apparently not, apparently, if a Christian’s a ‘raghead,’ it doesn’t matter, they’re not real people.
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November 22, 2013 12:59pm
Fletch

Reid, of course the average Muslim doesn’t hate America or want Israel destroyed.
That’s why they were dancing in the streets in celebration in the Middle East after 9/11 ey?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-p1LEBAujE
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November 22, 2013 1:03pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Ryan Sproull (6,028) Says:
November 22nd, 2013 at 12:57 pm

There’s a huge amount of diversity in Muslims.

And don’t the Sunnis and Shiites just love it.
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November 22, 2013 1:04pm
Reid

So just tell them no and problem solved huh? Yeah right. Is it too late to start shipping them back?

No it’s not Ashley and just ask your own mind if you can, precisely why the EU politicians of all stripes have allowed this to happen for decades and decades and decades. Why have they done that? Is it because they knew this would enrage their local populations once the inevitable started to happen, and still they don’t do anything about it? What does your mind tell you about why this no-brainer phenomena that was entirely predictable has been allowed to happen?

That’s why they were dancing in the streets in celebration in the Middle East after 9/11

What about the dancing Israeli’s Fletch? You know, the ones who were shipped back to Israel when the no-fly order was still in force? Who gave them permission to do that? And don’t tell me you haven’t heard of them.
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November 22, 2013 1:05pm
Ashley Schaeffer

Reid, trying to debate with you is like trying to grasp sand. For example:

They don’t need to invade anyone when they sponsor terrorism around the globe.

You mean like how Saudi Arabia is sponsoring all those terrorist groups in Syria who right now are murdering and torturing Christians and others?

I countered your point that Iran is obviously a non-threat because they haven’t invaded anyone in centuries and you dart off on a tangent about Saudi Arabia. The issue here is Iran obtaining nukes. Try to stick to the point.
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November 22, 2013 1:13pm
Ashley Schaeffer

No it’s not Ashley and just ask your own mind if you can, precisely why the EU politicians of all stripes have allowed this to happen for decades and decades and decades. Why have they done that? Is it because they knew this would enrage their local populations once the inevitable started to happen, and still they don’t do anything about it? What does your mind tell you about why this no-brainer phenomena that was entirely predictable has been allowed to happen?

I fully accept this argument. What do we do about it?
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November 22, 2013 1:14pm
Fletch

It also looks like Israel and the Saudi’s are forming an alliance (however unlikely) against Iran.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/20/fears-about-iran-forge-strange-alliance-between-israel-and-gulf-nations/

You’ll remember that during the Wikileaks thing, communications were uncovered the showed that the Saudi’s were urging the U.S to “cut the head off the snake, Iran”.
It’s not only Israel that is distrustful, it is other Middle Eastern countries as well.
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November 22, 2013 1:15pm
kowtow

“There’s a huge amount of diversity in Muslims.”

Yep ,especially when they go BANG ,on a bus,outside an embassy,on a train…..

they diverse all over the fucken place,so diverse there’s not a lot left to pick up.

Talking of Muslims and the richness they bring us ,our media are studiously ignoring these comments……..

http://www.3news.co.nz/NZ-could-breed-extremists—Kibblewhite/tabid/1607/articleID/321213/Default.aspx#.Uo6iZcSmiCJ
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November 22, 2013 1:17pm
Reid

Here’s something suspicious:

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/19/russia-plane-crash-pilot-nosedive

Irek Minnikhanov, the son of Tatarstan’s president, Rustam Minnikhanov, and the regional head of the FSB intelligence service, Alexander Antonov, were named among those killed. The dead also included two foreigners, a Briton and a Ukrainian.

Pilot apparently deliberately nosedives. Suspicious like the Polish crash that killed the President and a lot of senior apparatchiks about which questions have also been raised.
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November 22, 2013 1:18pm
Reid

I countered your point that Iran is obviously a non-threat because they haven’t invaded anyone in centuries and you dart off on a tangent about Saudi Arabia. The issue here is Iran obtaining nukes. Try to stick to the point.

I didn’t see any counter Ashley. So what if Iran is building a nuke? So what? You are making an assumption, coming from who knows where, which is that Iran will automatically use it if it has it. I simply pointed out history is against you and the MAD doctrine is also against you. Those are my points and so far you haven’t said anything about those.

I fully accept this argument. What do we do about it?

I suggest the entire country vigorously tells every single politician that if they EVER authorise any action on the grounds of political correctness which goes against our Judeo-Christian social mores the entire country will NEVER vote for them ever again and I suggest every other Western nation starts doing the same thing. Think that’ll happen? Neither do I. Perhaps if we collectively purchased many media outlets and broadcast pro-Judeo-Christian ethical propaganda non-stop and pointed out to our audience all the propaganda techniques used by western MSM wherever and whenever they used them, that might have more effect. Of course that would mean we’d also have to produce soap operas, movies and TV shows that also vigorously promoted Judeo-Christian ethics as well, but that’s just what the enemy has been doing against our said values for decades, so why not do that as well.
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November 22, 2013 1:26pm
Ashley Schaeffer

So what if Iran is building a nuke? So what? You are making an assumption, coming from who knows where, which is that Iran will automatically use it if it has it.

Yes, I think the world in general and Israel in particular should err on the side of caution.

I simply pointed out history is against you and the MAD doctrine is also against you.

Sorry, I don’t think the MAD doctrine applies to the mad mullahs. But even if I’m wrong, why take the risk? As for history, history can be cherry-picked to support any assertion.
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November 22, 2013 1:36pm
dime

Bruv –

Michael Clarke, 98 tests. Averages 52. 24 centuries. High score of 329 not out.

I think he did back to back double hundreds to.

What else does he have to do to become a great player?

I imagine he will play another 50 tests. Youd expect him to finish up around 40 100’s.
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November 22, 2013 1:41pm
Reid

Sorry, I don’t think the MAD doctrine applies to the mad mullahs. But even if I’m wrong, why take the risk? As for history, history can be cherry-picked to support any assertion.

Perhaps you don’t understand Iran has 170 million human beings not all of whom are mad mullahs, or perhaps you don’t understand what that means because the only thing you listen to is western propaganda.

You can’t cherry-pick history in terms of a bald question of whether or not a given country has acted aggressively or not. The victors certainly write the history and WWII is a perfect and blatant example of such. How many people for example know what happened to the German civilians after the war? Not too many. Read Hellstorm and educate yourself and ask yourself why we never hear about that, for example. But when one country invades another, it’s rather hard to hide it, for some reason, everyone knows about it. So you can’t cherry pick that, unless you’re hallucinating some alternative reality which exists only in your own mind.
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November 22, 2013 1:43pm
Pete George

The 1 Law 4 All Party was always going to have difficulty getting anywhere but their Allan Titford connection pretty much destroys any credibility – too late for Party distances itself from Titford

A newly-formed political party is distancing itself from sex offender Allan Titford following his criminal convictions.

Former Northland farmer Titford, who last month unsuccessfully ran for mayor of the Far North District Council, was on Wednesday sentenced to 24 years jail on 39 charges, three of them involving sexual violation.

Titford was a poster boy for the party’s policies after he fought a high-profile land battle over his farm at Maunganui Bluff, near Dargaville.

His case was still on the party’s website today, in the form of a blog post by Mike Butler.

Butler likened Titford’s dispute with the Waitangi Tribunal and local iwi as “just like the Deep South in the United States, with the white farmer treated like a pre-civil rights black.”

Butler said Titford was the victim of abuse at the hands of land claimants and that they had burned his house down.

Titford was found guilty of arson in relation to the incident.

Following that news and the stories from court of Titford’s treatment of his wife, 1 Law 4 All party president Tom Johnson said they would be reviewing the place of the post on the website.

“As a party we don’t condone criminal activity at all.”

At the very least 1 Law For All picked the wrong poster boy.
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November 22, 2013 1:43pm
nickb

What else does he have to do to become a great player?

[big bruv mode]Dime,

We all know that no rugby or cricket player since the advent of professionalism can truly be called great. The only great players were back in amateur days.

The AIG All Blacks and Victoria Bitter Australian Cricket team don’t have a patch on days of old.

[/big bruv mode]
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November 22, 2013 1:51pm
thedavincimode

dime

No discussion about irritating cricket commentators would be complete without mentioning the unbearably obsequious pom Mark Nicholas. He must have at least two tongues in light of his ability to talk whilst having a tongue permanently inserted in the recta of his Channel Nine colleagues and bosses. Getting right over the Jack the Lad tone of the Aussie crew as well. Never thought I would ever say bring back Bill and Tony. They should make life imitate comedy and just get Billy Birmingham to do the lot.
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