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Manolo

Lies and deception from the beginning: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/11/20/email-shows-white-house-had-fear-obamacare-site-wouldnt-work-before-launch/
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November 21, 2013 2:17pm
Manolo

I just read ~~Germaine Greer~~ P.G.’s post on R.B.
What a weasel Dunne’s slave is! Not only a pompous sycophant but a sanctimonious codger too.
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November 21, 2013 2:26pm
Left Right and Centre

naughty shit that I wouldn’t even dream of….

~~Sit on santas lap if you really want the xmas feel Reddy’s little helper – or better yet – catholick priest’s lap 🙂 😉~~

~~The old yuletide log – if you know what I mean.~~

2:14pm tough crowd 🙂
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November 21, 2013 2:26pm
Pete George

something you claim to have little interest in

I didn’t claim that. Redbaiter has always been interesting.

I copy/pasted from three places – from yesterdy’s GD, from TrueBlueNZ and from a post I did last year – as stated in this morning’s post. I collated Red’s ‘hanging’ comments because he started to deny – I said then:

He went through a period of being obsessed with hanging anyone he found disagreeable from lamp posts, and now tends to deny that, so here is a collection to remind.

I don’t have any copy/paste folder, I use blog posts to record some things but otherwise it’s all out there.

It’s often been suggested that Red must have a large database of quotes to draw on, but you’d have to ask him to confirm.
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November 21, 2013 2:26pm
dime

“going by your guesses Whale Oil would take a week to do a day’s worth of posts.”

the difference being hes not legally retarded
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November 21, 2013 2:27pm
Weihana

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dean-baker/no-one-died-at-healthcare_b_4299399.html

No One Died at Healthcare.gov: The Phony Crisis of Obamacare

…

The vast majority of the insured in the working age population get insurance through their job. This means that if they get an illness that causes them to lose their job they are likely to soon also find themselves without insurance. They will then be forced to buy insurance in the individual market where premiums can be tens of thousands of dollars a year, since they would be applying with a pre-existing condition.

Obamacare ends this situation. Insurers can no longer discriminate based on pre-existing conditions. This means that most people will be able to find affordable policies in the exchanges. (The Kaiser Foundation has a useful calculator that allows people to get an estimate of the prices they would see.)

In addition to providing security, millions of people who are working at jobs that they hate will no longer feel the need to stay there in order to get insurance. That is a big deal. In fact it’s a bigger deal than almost any other piece of legislation that Congress has passed in the last three decades.

That is what we stand to gain if the ACA can survive the hysteria that is now consuming Washington. If we look for the substance in the hysteria, it doesn’t come close in significance.

🙂
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November 21, 2013 2:28pm
Weihana

Jack5 (3,636) Says:
November 21st, 2013 at 2:13 pm

Given that the concept of “race” is flaky, we can take it that Weihana doesn’t think intelligence levels can be inherited, or that evolution causes intelligence to evolve at different rates in different groups which entails intelligence being at least partly inherited.

I do not understand the point you are making here. I accept that evolution explains the difference in intelligence between humans and other animals. I do not accept it explains any disparity between different races and ethnicities of humans.

Look at these Weihana:

All your citations indicate that genetics plays a role in intelligence. Where do you think I rejected this premise? What I said was there is no evidence that it accounts for racial disparity. That intelligence is influenced by genetics does not imply that there has been an evolutionary divergence between races in this respect.
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November 21, 2013 2:44pm
ciaron

I just don’t find you believable Pete.
I’ll leave you now to crack on with your next masterpiece: ciaron (aka Reds little helper) is obsessed with me- yay!
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November 21, 2013 2:48pm
Manolo

@ciaron: Nobody reads P.G.’s dismal blog, hence his copious posting here in the vain hope of attracting some souls.

Given his proclivity to write articles, read dump, on fellow commenters, I believe Dunne’s stooge would’ve done very well as commissar in the Red Army.
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November 21, 2013 2:59pm
nickb

Oh dear. Not content with being Kiwiblog’s self-appointed moral compass, hall monitor, crusader for middle of the road causes, self hating male, and political barometer, Pete George has now added Kiwiblog commenters’ biographer to his suite of skills.

One suspects he needs to get out more.

I am sure Redbaiter is deeply hurt by his devastating and cutting memoirs.
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November 21, 2013 3:08pm
Pete George

I just don’t really care ciaron.Talking of the obsessed, the two following you show they are more than a bit that way inclined.
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November 21, 2013 3:17pm
Manolo

One suspects he needs to get out more.

Methinks he needs to get it in more. 😀
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November 21, 2013 3:18pm
wikiriwhis business

Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution states that Congress shall have the power to coin (create) money and regulate the value thereof. Today however, the FED, which is a privately owned company, controls and profits by printing money through the Treasury, and regulating its value.

The FED began with approximately 300 people or banks that became owners (stockholders purchasing stock at $100 per share – the stock is not publicly traded) in the Federal Reserve Banking System. They make up an international banking cartel of wealth beyond comparison. The FED banking system collects billions of dollars (Reference 8, 17) in interest annually and distributes the profits to its shareholders. The Congress illegally gave the FED the right to print money (through the Treasury) at no interest to the FED. The FED creates money from nothing, and loans it back to us through banks, and charges interest on our currency. The FED also buys Government debt with money printed on a printing press and charges U.S. taxpayers interest. Many Congressmen and Presidents say this is fraud.

Who actually owns the Federal Reserve Central Banks? The ownership of the 12 Central banks, a very well kept secret, has been revealed:

Rothschild Bank of London

Warburg Bank of Hamburg

Rothschild Bank of Berlin

Lehman Brothers of New York

Lazard Brothers of Paris

Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York

Israel Moses Seif Banks of Italy

Goldman, Sachs of New York

Warburg Bank of Amsterdam

Chase Manhattan Bank of New York

(Reference 14, P. 13, Reference 12, P. 152)

These bankers are connected to London Banking Houses which ultimately control the FED. When England lost the Revolutionary War with America (our forefathers were fighting their own government), they (the Banksters) planned to control us by controlling our banking system, the printing of our money, and our debt.

https://www.facebook.com/karen.hudes.9/posts/10152032851029444
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November 21, 2013 3:22pm
Jack5

Weihana posted at 2.44:

That intelligence is influenced by genetics does not imply that there has been an evolutionary divergence between races in this respect.

From this, Weihana, the corollary seems to be you are arguing that every “race” or ethnic group has evolved its intelligence equally — that every ethnic group is equal in average intelligence. That’s stretching things!

Here’s an article from 2005(link below) that says:

A 60-page review of the scientific evidence, some based on state-of-the-art magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) of brain size, has concluded that race differences in average IQ are largely genetic.

If intelligence is genetic, you surely must accept that evolution affects the varying intelligence levels in different groups, especially isolated groups.

It’s reasonable to deduce from historical experience that group intelligence levels evolve. Consider the perpetual warfare and terror in Maoridom, after the astonishingly long canoe voyaging that brought Polynesians to these islands leading to the of higher intelligence than in the highly isolated, peaceful and static Moriori of the Chathams. Dumb Maori got eaten, perhaps after a period of slavery. Their women had children with their brighter/fiercer conquerors.

Now, Weihana explain how your environmental philosophy argues for the cultural or environmental creation of a group’s intelligence. Put your cards on the table.

Link:

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
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November 21, 2013 3:24pm
ciaron

last one, I promise.

I just don’t really care ciaron

You cared enough to post nineteen hundred words Pete. This is why I just don’t find you credible.
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November 21, 2013 3:24pm
thedavincimode

nickb

We probably need a blackboard monitor. I wonder if PG is up for it.
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November 21, 2013 3:27pm
wikiriwhis business

It took 20 years for Hitler to change a generation to think killing Jews was “normal.” That same mind conditioning has happening now since the 1990s. Babies born in 1995 are 18 this year! Middle income groups have been brainwashed into thinking beneficiaries are lazy, drugged up layabouts stealing off the tax payer that should be cast adrift to starve to death, while while being told it is the proper thing for the wealthy to take advantage of the poor while paying next to no taxes and contributing very little to the fabric of society.
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November 21, 2013 3:29pm
Pete George

I said I don’t care about what you think ciaron, even though you seemed to care enough to count the words FFS. It’s not often that line of attack is used.

It seems to have been a popular nineteen hundred words, in part thanks to you. For anyone else who’s interested: http://yournz.org/2013/11/21/redbaiter-quits-kiwiblog/
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November 21, 2013 3:30pm
Manolo

A good read: http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/curious-form-populism_767158.html
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November 21, 2013 3:35pm
ciaron

Pete, mate, I take more care and time when taking a dump than I did visiting your blog.
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November 21, 2013 3:37pm
Jack5

Wikiwiri at 3.29:

Have a look at this link to a piece by DPF. It shows households aren’t next taxpayers until their income reaches $50,000.

It’s bullshit that the wealthy pay next to no taxes.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2011/07/net_taxpayers.html
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November 21, 2013 3:38pm
skyblue

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9427146/KiwiRail-substantial-hit-from-Aratere

Send the bill as follows:
Michael Cullen
c/- NZ Post
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November 21, 2013 3:38pm
Manolo

Is P.G Phil Ure in disguise? The crap blogs both maintain are hardly visited by anyone.
Has anyone seen these two supper bloggers together?
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November 21, 2013 3:39pm
wikiriwhis business

‘Have a look at this link to a piece by DPF. It shows households aren’t next taxpayers until their income reaches $50,000.’

This is the lying attitude kiwi’s have to put up with because of the financial terroism from parliament and the Reserve Bank

Can’t afford a house? Tough luck

NO MONEY? NO HOUSE: If you can’t afford a house well, bad luck. You have no-one to blame except yourself
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/how-can-we-get-more-kiwis-into-homes/9426010/Can-t-afford-a-house-Tough-luck
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November 21, 2013 3:51pm
nickb

We probably need a blackboard monitor. I wonder if PG is up for it.

Class rep?
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November 21, 2013 3:55pm
thedavincimode

No nick, as I recall the Class Rep is voted by the students whereas blackboard monitor is usually the class toady appointed by the powers that be. Someone without the capacity for independent thought or analysis who is quite happy to follow instructions from further up the food chain.
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November 21, 2013 4:28pm
Weihana

Jack5 (3,638) Says:
November 21st, 2013 at 3:24 pm

From this, Weihana, the corollary seems to be you are arguing that every “race” or ethnic group has evolved its intelligence equally — that every ethnic group is equal in average intelligence. That’s stretching things!

You are correct in that I am not a racist. Amusing that you characterize that as “stretching things”.

If intelligence is genetic, you surely must accept that evolution affects the varying intelligence levels in different groups, especially isolated groups.

No I don’t accept that because it doesn’t follow from your premise. That intelligence is related to genetics does not imply that there is a genetic difference in intelligence between races. Your argument is just stupid.

It’s reasonable to deduce from historical experience that group intelligence levels evolve.

But it does not evolve at a constant or linear rate and the mere existence of groups which may have lived isolated from one another for some time does not mean their innate intelligence must have diverged.

Consider the perpetual warfare and terror in Maoridom, after the astonishingly long canoe voyaging that brought Polynesians to these islands leading to the of higher intelligence than in the highly isolated, peaceful and static Moriori of the Chathams. Dumb Maori got eaten, perhaps after a period of slavery. Their women had children with their brighter/fiercer conquerors.

Dumb Maori got eaten? Did you travel back in time and measure their intelligence? Or is this a circular argument where they must be dumb because they got eaten?

Now, Weihana explain how your environmental philosophy argues for the cultural or environmental creation of a group’s intelligence. Put your cards on the table.

lol. I don’t have to. People accept my point of view without justification. I’m not sure there is anything to be gained by entertaining your point of view as a serious proposition.

I’m sure you’ll take this to mean that your beliefs simply can’t be refuted and that the Rushton’s of this world are the modern day Galileo.
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November 21, 2013 4:36pm
thedavincimode

Oops. Lehmann and Warner don’t appear to have secured the outcome they were trying to achieve.

Aussie 110/5 at tea and, oh dear, Broad 4/42.
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November 21, 2013 4:51pm
Ross12

I think someone in Cunliffe’s office is trying to “throw him under the bus”. The latest foot in mouth episode. He is a walking disaster !!!

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/19948408/david-cunliffe-needs-to-learn-how-to-use-google/
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November 21, 2013 4:56pm
Jack5

Weihana posted at 4.36:

That intelligence is related to genetics does not imply that there is a genetic difference in intelligence between races. Your argument is just stupid.

And

I’m sure you’ll take this to mean that …the Rushton’s of this world are the modern day Galileo.

So you are a devotee of Joseph Graves, Weihana.

Graves doesn’t explain why population groups do not have equal IQs.

I don’t know if Phillipe Rushton is more right than wrong. He argues that there are racially ordained behaviours, but I’m not comfortable with the concept of “race”. Both sides of the debate see the political aspects of the opponents’ positions. That’s about the only common ground.

We have a chance to measure in NZ which side is more correct. Migrant families from Asia are known for their respect for education and their encouragement of their children to study. Is inherited intelligence also a factor in the kids’ scholastic success?

What about a measurement now, and again in 60 years or more when these families are third generation or more NZer, presumably with less environmental differences on performance?

Weihana, you will probably argue there are legacy cultural effects and these skew any measurement. However, there may or may not be differences in scholastic performance of ethnic Asians now, and then.
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November 21, 2013 5:39pm
RRM

Dammit – All the really good nutters seem to have their terminal implosions and depart while I’m away for a few days!

I missed dad4justice’s meltdown, and now Weddy’s last kiwiblog comment ever (again). Curses 👿

He’ll be back, just like last time… I’m more interested to see how his two little leg humpers behave during his absence. Will they attempt to step up and fill the void, or wilt under the pressure?
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November 21, 2013 5:39pm
Zapper

Weihana

You are saying that believing all races have equal intelligence means you are not racist.

What about physical characteristics? All races have the same strength, speed etc?
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November 21, 2013 5:53pm
liarbors a joke

TV 1 news..Katie Bradford political reporter…daughter of Sue Bradford ? The resemblance is uncanny..
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November 21, 2013 6:06pm
Zapper

laj

Face like a dropped pie?
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November 21, 2013 6:10pm
Steve (North Shore)

Apparentely I am one of Redblatters fans – according to him. He has a huge fan base – according to him.
I still say he is making heaps of dosh cruising up and down Marine Parade at the Mount – running a secret escort delivery service
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November 21, 2013 6:23pm
Longknives

“TV 1 news..Katie Bradford political reporter…daughter of Sue Bradford ? The resemblance is uncanny..”

A quick google search finds this-
” Green MP Sue Bradford’s daughter Katie protested with her mother at age six”

TV1’s transition to Mana Party propaganda machine is complete…
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November 21, 2013 6:38pm
Manolo

Will dime submit a bid? http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8758933/brazilian-student-selling-virginity-again
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November 21, 2013 7:00pm
Longknives

I dunno Manolo- I think Dime prefers ’em with a bit of experience…
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November 21, 2013 7:03pm
Longknives

And sorry Pete for blatantly flaunting our ‘rape culture’ with these degrading conversations again…
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November 21, 2013 7:04pm
Pete George

On fairness and unequal pay for equal work:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=meiU6TxysCg
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November 21, 2013 7:16pm
kowtow

TV1’s transition…..

I’ve just had the misfortune of watching 4 minutes of Seven Shit ,cos they were talking Anadarko.

Bunch of commies.

Long past time to sell it off.
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November 21, 2013 7:24pm
Manolo

Long past time to sell it off.

Unfortunately, neither National nor Labour will ever privatise TVNZ or RNZ. Complete cowards they are.
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November 21, 2013 7:32pm
RF

I was with a group of parliamentary staff several nights ago having a social hour. Not fully involved in the conversations.. Just on the edge taking in tit bits of info. The Silent T is not popular even amongst his team. No one knows who the real one is as he has many faces. One thing stood out. …. he is a smug smart arse who had better lift his game as Grant is waiting and watching. Mickey Savages name was also mentioned. They think he is pretender who is hanging onto the silent Ts coat tails and has a certain swagger now that he mixes with Cunners group.
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November 21, 2013 7:55pm
nasska

A young man from the city goes to visit his farmer uncle

For the first few days, the uncle shows him the usual things; chickens, cows, crops, etc. however, it’s obvious the nephew is getting bored so the uncle suggests he goes on a hunt.

‘Why don’t you grab a gun, take the dogs, and go shooting?”

This cheers up the nephew and off he goes with the dogs in trail.
after a few hours, the nephew returns

“Did you enjoy it?” asks the uncle

“It was great! got any more dogs?”
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November 21, 2013 8:00pm
thedavincimode

Another lame joke from Narsekissa the dopehead-hillbilly-sister-loving-homo-knuckle-dragging prog from Eketahuna .

Whatever happened to political debate in this country?

Edit: read a “cowardly” in there somewhere.
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November 21, 2013 8:11pm
Yvette

Mr Cunliffe alleged Ms Adams went to “great lengths” to keep the information [a supposed 70% risk of an oil spill] from the public.

So ONE NEWS at 6pm shows Cunliffe on a beach saying “This is a deliberate attempt by a relevant minister to deny the public information which is absolutely crucial to a mature debate on this issue..”

But fail to mention his information is wrong and the ‘unearthed’ secret documents hidden by the Government can be found online [ http://www.rff.org/RFF/Documents/RFF-Resources-177_DeepwaterDrilling.pdf ] and has been there for quite some time.

SKY NEWS, half an hour before ONE, got it right.
So I hope this bites ONE NEWS in the arse, and they learn to check all Cunliffe statements for lies.
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November 21, 2013 8:29pm
Judith

@ the davincimode –

Political debates are for Parliament, most here prefer mass debating.
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November 21, 2013 8:30pm
nasska

The whole country is going to the dogs Davinci. 🙂
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November 21, 2013 8:30pm
nasska

Just leave your bean out of the debate Judith…..we get enough of that from the God Squad. 🙂
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November 21, 2013 8:32pm
Judith

@ Steve (North Shore) (4,031) Says:
November 21st, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Apparentely I am one of Redblatters fans – according to him. He has a huge fan base – according to him.
I still say he is making heaps of dosh cruising up and down Marine Parade at the Mount – running a secret escort delivery service

Well it’s not a secret now that you’ve advertised it on here!! His profits will probably double, and he’ll be able to afford more GB’s of internet now – we shall hold you personally responsible for any increase in the use of the words commie and progs, indicating his presence.
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November 21, 2013 8:34pm
thedavincimode

nasska

Just because the rest of the country is going to the pack, there is no excuse for allowing the standard of discourse here to improve in the absence of absent friends.
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November 21, 2013 8:35pm
nasska

With you there Davinci. It will be hard keeping high standards without the example of the Great Blogger to inspire us but strive we must. 🙂
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November 21, 2013 8:37pm
Judith

@ nasska (8,128) Says:
November 21st, 2013 at 8:32 pm

I had a couple of members of the squad come knocking on my door at dinner time. I explained that as I was experiencing an existential crisis and it was good to see them, would they remind removing their clothes before they came inside because I was recontextualising my identity and needed to be sure there were no material barriers in our discussion. They couldn’t stay – too busy – so my crisis continues. So much for wanting to help.
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November 21, 2013 8:41pm
nasska

Evangelists are a sorry lot nowadays Judith….no backbone or stamina.

I blame it all on the New Testament myself….all this hippy love stuff & no promises of smiting or brimstone have made today’s Godnutters soft. 🙂
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November 21, 2013 8:47pm
thedavincimode

nasska

We can all sleep safe in the knowledge that El Guava is at boot camp deep in the Ureweras. Or down on the wharves. But the least we can do is honour his sacrifice in plotting and training to save the world by maintaining appropriate standards.
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November 21, 2013 8:47pm
nasska

True Davinci. Anyway, who’s next on the list? 🙂
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November 21, 2013 8:50pm
Judith

@ nasska (8,130) Says:
November 21st, 2013 at 8:47 pm

The old testament is certainly a more exciting read, it’s like they sort of ran out of plot ideas in the New Testament.

I suppose I really should have embraced their history and offered them a fig leave at least.
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November 21, 2013 8:53pm
thedavincimode

List? It is the will of God nasska. And he has summoned il Continence.
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November 21, 2013 8:55pm
nasska

The Godfreaks are not biting tonight Judith. 🙂
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November 21, 2013 8:56pm
Judith

@ nasska

I noticed that, is very hard to get everyone mass debating, if no one will rise to the bait.

I hope Red doesn’t sulk for long, I’ve grown accustomed to his ‘smile’.
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November 21, 2013 9:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

@ Steve (North Shore) (4,031) Says:
November 21st, 2013 at 6:23 pm
Apparentely I am one of Redblatters fans – according to him. He has a huge fan base – according to him.
I still say he is making heaps of dosh cruising up and down Marine Parade at the Mount – running a secret escort delivery service

Well it’s not a secret now that you’ve advertised it on here!! His profits will probably double, and he’ll be able to afford more GB’s of internet now – we shall hold you personally responsible for any increase in the use of the words commie and progs, indicating his presence.

He is singing “hey jude”
He is a beaten man, and he can not face Kiwibloggers – he is a wimp.
Oh yes, everything I do is my fault – I own my own shit
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November 21, 2013 9:01pm
Viking2

Behind every man
I like the way they think…..Enjoy

Barbara Walters, of 20/20, did a story on gender
roles in Kabul , Afghanistan , several years before the Afghan conflict.
She noted that women customarily walked five paces behind their husbands.
She recently returned to Kabul and observed that women still walk behind their husbands.
Despite the overthrow of the oppressive Taliban regime, the women now seem happy to maintain the
old custom.
Ms. Walters approached one of the Afghani women and asked,

‘Why do you now seem happy with an old custom that you once tried so desperately to change?

‘The woman looked Ms. Walters straight in the eyes, and without hesitation said,

“Land mines.”

Moral of the story is (no matter what language you
speak or where you go):

BEHIND EVERY MAN, THERE’S A SMART WOMAN
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November 21, 2013 9:05pm
nasska

It gets to us all eventually. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/iotjgmzhrlsaesm/joints.jpg
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November 21, 2013 9:14pm
dime

is there anything sadder than jacinda adern tweeting from the music awards? trying to convince us shes still young and hip…

actually, yes there is. there is an award for best maori album. what the fuck.
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November 21, 2013 9:40pm
stigie

If he actually got to smoke one Nasska, he might not have trouble with his joints !~
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November 21, 2013 9:42pm
F E Smith

JFK was killed by a Communist. JFK was killed by a Communist. JFK was killed by a Communist . . .
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November 21, 2013 9:59pm
publicwatchdog

BREAKING NEWS Kiwibloggers!

Now will mainstream media pick up this arguably internationally-significant story?

NZ Auditor-General Lyn Provost WILL consider my request to conduct an URGENT investigation into OFCANZ.

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/nz-auditor-general-lyn-provost-will-consider-my-request-to-conduct-an-urgent-investigation-into-ofcanz/

___________________________________________________________________________________________________

Lyn Provost 11:16 AM (21 November 2013)

to me

I have received your email and will consider your request.

Lyn Provost
____________________________________________________________________________________________________

21 November 2013

I want an URGENT investigation by the OAG into the failure of OFCANZ to do ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the NZ International Convention Centre Bill (not sure if it yet has Royal Assent).

This Treasury reply confirms that OFCANZ come under Police – which are a ‘Public Entity’.

18 Inquiries by Auditor-General

(1)The Auditor-General may inquire, either on request or on the Auditor-General’s own initiative, into any matter concerning a public entity’s use of its resources.

The OAG have yet to formally acknowledge my correspondence – available for perusal here, and below in this email:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

I shall be raising these , and related matters at the Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference workshop I’ll be attending on Tuesday 26 November 2013, for which I have already registered.

Penny Bright
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November 21, 2013 10:41pm
wreck1080

Is it just me or or the cops being a bit worse than usual of late?

The innocent guy that got attacked by an AOS police dog by uncertified handler — cops say it was ‘regrettable’ and covered up the disciplinary action.

Roastbusters — police mislead the public.

Cop sentenced in chch for exchanging sexual favours for dropping DUI charges.

Luana Williams cold case evidence ignored by police.
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November 21, 2013 10:47pm
big bruv

The arrogance of Kiwis over a very minor world sport is breath-taking.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/9427681/Hansens-boys-Better-than-the-class-of-87
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November 22, 2013 5:44am
big bruv

Penny Bright.

Have you paid your rates yet?
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November 22, 2013 5:49am
MT_Tinman

Big Bruv I did not read the quoted article as it is of no interest to me but I must know; How does comparing one rugby team with one of a different era demonstrate the “arrogance of Kiwis” and what does the size of the sport in global terms have to do with this comparisson?
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November 22, 2013 6:46am
Pete George

MT_Tinman – it has nothing to do with anything apart from bb’s inherent dislike of the ABs, he has a Russel Norman versus drilling style blind opposition to them.
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November 22, 2013 7:27am
KiwiGreg

“actually, yes there is. there is an award for best maori album. what the fuck.”

dollars to donuts there’s tax dollars being spent somewhere there dime
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November 22, 2013 7:33am
liarbors a joke

“I shall be raising these , and related matters at the Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference workshop I’ll be attending on Tuesday 26 November 2013, for which I have already registered.”

Please stay over there..pleease..
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November 22, 2013 7:57am
Longknives

Big Bruv- Agreed. The pure arrogance of this current All Black team is staggering.
The self-professed ‘Greatest Sports Team of All Time’!
Mindblowing.
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November 22, 2013 8:30am
Pete George

So should the All Blacks aspire to being an ok team and hope to win some games?

Some arrogance and self belief is needed in sport – and in business and in life – to succeed beyond the ordinary.
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November 22, 2013 8:39am
Longknives

Get your hand off it Pete.
I have watched and supported many legendary All Blacks and All Black teams over the years.
I never once heard the likes of Dalton, Mourie, Shelford, Fitzpatrick etc beat their chests and label themselves or their team ‘The Greatest of All Time’.
McCaw and Co are arrogant (not to mention DELUDED) tossers- Take your black eyepatch off and admit it..
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