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big bruv

Has Len Brown resigned yet?
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November 17, 2013 8:01am
Ed Snack

Heard Obama’s latest offering ? “If you like your constitution, you can keep your constitution, period”.
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November 17, 2013 8:08am
iMP

Oh dear mother, some rather smug arrogant wee Young Nats have smeared the Young Conservatives, and it ain’t pretty. Lots of own goals here. Are the YN’s really just Labour in blue drag? Wayne Eagleson will not be amused.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/why-the-pms-office-will-be-giving-brit-tiny-smears-a-slap/
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November 17, 2013 8:13am
Chuck Bird

I seen some very angry females on these protest marches demanding the so called right for stupid women to put themselves at risk. This morning read of yet another case of some homosexual teacher abusing young boys. Where is the protest about these outrages.

I wonder how many of these angry protesters have donate to help save the life of a real rape victim. Who are the politicians going to take most notice of these protesters who want the law changed so innocent men are more likely to be convicted or to save Jacqui’s life. ACC forked out thousands of dollars to any woman or parent of a child who alleged sexual abuse yet will not spend $200,000 to save the life of a victim of a very vicious rape and a victim of medical misadventure.

http://www.givealittle.co.nz/cause/jacqui

https://www.facebook.com/groups/526801670740510/
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November 17, 2013 8:13am
Pete George

The best rugby team in the world this year clocked up another very good win. England came back very well from a sizable deficit but couldn’t finish it off with the ABs finishing better and scoring three excellent tries to one.

In Sri Lanka the Black Caps were not helped by a strange match schedule which meant they couldn’t attempt to finish off but a series draw is still creditable.
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November 17, 2013 8:21am
gump

@Chuck Bird

“This morning read of yet another case of some homosexual teacher abusing young boys. Where is the protest about these outrages”

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Are you seriously suggesting that people aren’t outraged by a school teacher abusing young boys?

Rape is rape – it’s equally horrid regardless of the circumstances.
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November 17, 2013 8:25am
iMP

The Bash-A-Young Nat comments by fellow Nat.s for dissing the Young Conserv.s are hilarious. Great read on a sunday morning.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/why-the-pms-office-will-be-giving-brit-tiny-smears-a-slap/
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November 17, 2013 8:34am
Keeping Stock

Oh dear; not only was Haiyan NOT the “the strongest typhoon that has ever made landfall in the course of recorded human history” as Russel Norman claimed in Parliament on Tuesday (quoting Yeb Sano); it was only the seventh-largest to ever hit the Philippines.

Russel Norman’s rhetoric has been proved to be false, yest again:

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/11/rebutting-russels-rhetoric.html
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November 17, 2013 8:36am
Longknives

Looks like New Zealand has a new self-appointed ‘Moral Guardian’ and ‘Expert on Everything’…

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=11158459
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November 17, 2013 8:39am
kowtow

How’s that “Arab Spring” going?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa/2013/11/fresh-clashes-rock-libyan-capital-20131116122733960780.html
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November 17, 2013 8:39am
Chuck Bird

“Are you seriously suggesting that people aren’t outraged by a school teacher abusing young boys?”

I am seriously suggest that enough people are not outraged enough to take action like the women who are ready to protest about women who get raped because they put themselves at risk.
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November 17, 2013 8:39am
eszett

This morning read of yet another case of some homosexual teacher abusing young boys. Where is the protest about these outrages.

Quite hypocritical, dear Chucky, because the only time you yourself ever get openly outraged here about paedophiles is only and exclusively if it is a male abusing boys.

Never have you initiated a post here if the front page of the herald was about a male abusing girls.

You are more interested in you pet crusades against homosexuals than anything than in a children or womens welfare.

That you continue to blame the victims and describe them as “stupid women who put themselves at risk” doesn’t really help either.
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November 17, 2013 8:41am
big bruv

Why the hell would I care what some insignificant Canadian has to say?
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November 17, 2013 8:41am
Yvette

TPP
Who the hell does the USTR think they are that they can flat out override the Constitution and the Congressional process, and effectively block them in and stop any meaningful attempt at copyright reform? All done via a process driven entirely by a few special interests? It’s anti-democracy. It’s pure corporate cronyism by the worst cronies around.
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The New York Times has endorsed the Trans-Pacific Partnership; a trade deal negotiated in utmost secrecy, without public participation, whose text is still not public. From leaks, we know that TPP wasn’t just anti-democratic in its process — it also contains numerous anti-democratic provisions that allow private offshore companies to overturn domestic law, especially laws that allow for free speech and privacy online. TPP is slated for fast-tracking through Congress, minimizing any scrutiny of a deal negotiated behind closed doors before it is turned into law. From what we’ve seen of TPP, it recapitulates all the worst elements of ACTA and then some.

There may be some hope that the TPP is so offensive it will have trouble passing in the USA, let alone here.

But then general Americans seem sucked in by 9/11 questions, the mass weapons of destruction that Iraq didn’t have, that it cost US taxpayers around $50 million to kill one Taliban soldier and other minor indications the US may have lost its way.
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November 17, 2013 8:42am
eszett

I am seriously suggest that enough people are not outraged enough to take action like the women who are ready to protest about women who get raped because they put themselves at risk.

So what’s stopping you organising such a march, Chucky?
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November 17, 2013 8:43am
Longknives

Both Klitschko brothers are past their peak but my god they would simply annihilate both the Heavyweights on show in Hamilton last night- Colonel Bob can babble on about “title shots” all he wants…(he seems to have completely lost the plot anyway)
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November 17, 2013 8:44am
gump

@Chuck Bird

“I am seriously suggest that enough people are not outraged enough to take action like the women who are ready to protest about women who get raped because they put themselves at risk.”

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You are – literally – crazy.

Protests against rape are held on behalf of all rape victims.
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November 17, 2013 8:47am
Chuck Bird

“Quite hypocritical, dear Chucky, because the only time you yourself ever get openly outraged here about paedophiles is only and exclusively if it is a male abusing boys.”

That is a lie. I have had a lot to say about adult women getting away with abusing underage adolescents mainly boys.

Name calling and lies are to be expected from an anonymous blogger.
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November 17, 2013 8:52am
Jack5

The great Theodore Dalrymple gives television a broadside on Taki’s Magazine

In my experience, TV people are as lying, insincere, obsequious, unscrupulous, fickle, exploitative, shallow, cynical, untrustworthy, treacherous, dishonest, mercenary, low, and untruthful a group of people as is to be found on the face of this Earth. They make the average Western politician seem like a moral giant.

The article is at:

http://takimag.com/article/television_is_an_evil_theodore_dalrymple/print#ixzz2kno0iHJX
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November 17, 2013 8:57am
Pete George

@Chuck
“the so called right for stupid women to put themselves at risk”
“women who get raped because they put themselves at risk”

Appalling examples of victim blaming and ‘rape culture’.
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November 17, 2013 8:59am
duggledog

Jack5

Did Theodore not get his documentary green-lit?
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November 17, 2013 9:00am
iMP

Watched the sexual-abuse protest Chch yesterday, and repeated around NZ. But this is not about Judith Collins making laws or public outrage or even education. At some point we have to address morals. The Roast Busters had none. This is what this is about.

Misogiynist attitudes towards women
Alcohol abuse
No respect for others
Idleness
Selfishness
Unable to manage sexual feelings/impulses/urges.

A bill in parliamnet won’t change any of that.
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November 17, 2013 9:06am
Alan

Apparently the NZCP are for “Individual freedoms”

Except for people they don’t like, like homosexuals wanting to get married.
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November 17, 2013 9:09am
igm

When one has to endure radio continually pushing the barrow of feminist Labour ranters, it is no wonder that some decent members of society are getting a gutsful of hearing about women. Good on Chuck for highlighting the fact there are other disgusting members of society, predominantly hidden by teachers’ unions in children’s educational institutions.
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November 17, 2013 9:17am
Chuck Bird

@PG

I resent my taxes going to pay for other adults stupidly although I accept we should still pay.

Women that get rolling drunk and as a consequence put themselves at rick is but one example.

I feel the same about boaties or trampers who are totally unprepared and not only cost the taxpayer money but put rescuers lives at risk.

What part of individual responsibility do you not understand?
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November 17, 2013 9:21am
Pete George

iMP – as Judith Collins has just said on Q & A there are law and policing changes that are required but I agree that a major factor needs to be a shift in public attitudes. As a society we need to address morals, in families and in communities – including blog communities.
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November 17, 2013 9:23am
igm

Is David Ross planning to stand for GWRC on a Labour ticket upon his release? He would be at home with the other convicted fraudster, except he has not had the privilege of name and facts suppression.
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November 17, 2013 9:24am
Pete George

@Chuck: “What part of individual responsibility do you not understand?”

I understand a lot. Especially the individual responsibility of men to not rape. And the individual responsibility of men to speak against those who make excuses for rape and for rapists.

What part of that do you not understand?
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November 17, 2013 9:26am
wiseowl

Alan@9.09
National used to stand for individual freedom.

You are another who just can not get your head around marriage.You can’t join two ‘likes’ in marriage .It is between a male and a female.
End of story.
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November 17, 2013 9:29am
eszett

That is a lie. I have had a lot to say about adult women getting away with abusing underage adolescents mainly boys.

Name calling and lies are to be expected from an anonymous blogger.

You need to do better than that, Chucky. Where did I call you any names?

And your obsession with homosexuals, particularly male homosexulas is well known.
Add in you misogynistic views and you paint a pretty dire picture of yourself, Chucky.

No need to call you any names.
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November 17, 2013 9:30am
Pauleastbay

Who is the drongo writing Radio Lives news?

On the 9.00 am bulletin on Radio Live Sport this morning.

” A motorcyclist has been airlifted to hospital with serious neck and spinal injuries following a collision with a sheep outside of Hastings this morning. The rescue helicopter airlifted him directly from the scene. There is no update on the condition of the sheep”

I can’ believe that David Burke Kennedy even agreed to read that shit. Absolutely staggering
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November 17, 2013 9:34am
Jack5

iMP at 9.06 is correct – sexual abuse needs to be addressed by more than tightening of law on social media.

General attitudes need to be addressed, but we shouldn’t shy from targeting the misogyny of specific groups. These include new ones such as Muslims with their weird religious views about women generally and virgins specifically. Also old groups such as Maori, with their discrimination against females on the marae, at beaches and even in Te Papa, the Disneyland-National Museum. In the latter cases I am talking about prejudice towards menstruating females. Such prejudices must influence more general attitudes towards women.

The MSM seems to have no interest in the fact that genital mutilation of some girls may well be being committed in some of NZ’s more backward Muslim communities, and that there is trafficking of Asian and perhaps other women to NZ for the sex industry. This trafficking is internationally regarded as slavery.

I think Chuck is also right to bring up the abuse of boys which has been revealed in Northland. If these paedophiles had been abusing girls rather than boys, there would be more indignation and anger. Also with boys, we need to look at the mutilation which is cultural circumcision (as opposed to when this is required for medical reasons).
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November 17, 2013 9:38am
iMP

Oh dear, now we have RACISM at Y.Nats, stopping Y.Nats from going to meetings. Who has Peter Goodfellow’s cell phone number…

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/17/racism-at-young-nat-s-yns-avoid-yn-meetings/
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November 17, 2013 9:41am
Pauleastbay

Longknives (3,324) Says:
November 17th, 2013 at 8:39 am
Looks like New Zealand has a new self-appointed ‘Moral Guardian’ and ‘Expert on Everything’…

Yep, 14,000 people will buy the book. 18 of whom will actually finish it. But then you and I have to accept the fact that you can know everything at 28 now, whereas its taken me until I’m 53. And shes not even a New Zealander .
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November 17, 2013 9:41am
duggledog

Best typo of the day goes to Chuck B

“Women that get rolling drunk and as a consequence put themselves at rick”

Rick is a bad bastard but surely there are others
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November 17, 2013 9:55am
Yoza

Keeping Stock (9,308) Says:
November 17th, 2013 at 8:36 am

Oh dear; not only was Haiyan NOT the “the strongest typhoon that has ever made landfall in the course of recorded human history” as Russel Norman claimed in Parliament on Tuesday (quoting Yeb Sano); it was only the seventh-largest to ever hit the Philippines.

From the comments in the Wall Street Journal article to which you linked:

Sky wrote:
Different regions use different wind estimation systems. Much of the western world uses 1 minute sustained wind estimates. Asia commonly uses 10 minute sustained wind average estimates. Every storm you listed ahead of Haiyan used the 1 minute sustained wind estimation, but the listed wind speed for Haiyan you used was the 10 minute wind estimation. If you use the same wind estimation system as the other storms you listed, Haiyan would beat Joan by 20 mph.
Joan: 171 – 193
Haiyan: 195 – 235

Looks like Russell Norman was right afterall.
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November 17, 2013 10:02am
Harriet

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/tiger-mums-give-kids-three-hours-a-week-more-attention-than-aussie-mums-study-finds/story-fni0do1x-1226761320799

Tiger mums provide more emotional support to their children.

They spend more time ‘arranging and taking’ their kids to 2-3hrs of tuition lessons a week.

They see the vast opportunities that one can have if they have the abillity to speak english, so they press that upon their children.
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November 17, 2013 10:06am
Scott Chris

Oh dear; not only was Haiyan NOT the “the strongest typhoon that has ever made landfall in the course of recorded

Hold your horses there Keeping Stock. Regardless of what Norman may have said or what the nice fella from the WSJ may believe , measuring the intensity of Haiyan is a work in progress and not just a case of nominating an arbitrary landfall mark to gauge the storm’s intensity no matter how tempting it is to believe reports that are sympathetic to your political outlook.

Here’s an excerpt from NASA’s preliminary assessment:

Haiyan, known locally in the Philippines as Yulonda, will go down as a historic storm, making landfall in the central Philippines as perhaps the most powerful tropical cyclone to ever make landfall with sustained winds estimated at 195 mph (~315 kph).

Note the use of the word ‘perhaps’.
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November 17, 2013 10:08am
Scott Chris

There is no update on the condition of the sheep

Marinating.
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November 17, 2013 10:18am
Samuel Smith

This morning’s game proved exactly why Conrad Smith should not have been allowed a sabbatical.

The All Blacks have lost more than World Cup trying to play fullbacks and wingers at centre.

Charles Pitutau is a mid-fielder, not a winger. Ben Smith is a wing, not a centre.

Get real Steve Hanson.
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November 17, 2013 10:43am
All_on_Red

Norman was wrong
Mr. Paciente [a forecaster with the Philippine government’s national weather agency] stated:

Before the typhoon made landfall, some international forecasters were estimating wind speeds at 195 m.p.h., which would have meant the storm would hit with winds among the strongest recorded. But local forecasters later disputed those estimates. “Some of the reports of wind speeds were exaggerated,”

The Philippine weather agency measured winds on the eastern edge of the country at about 150 m.p.h., he said, with some tracking stations recording speeds as low as 100 m.p.h.

Roger Edson, the science and operations officer at the United States National Weather Service in Guam said

195 m.p.h. winds would put the storm “off the charts,” but he acknowledged that satellite estimates require further study on the ground to determine if they were accurate.

Wind Gusts

As well as the discrepancies in sustained wind speed, there is also a big gap in the claimed top gusts. Chris Landsea also has a useful rule of thumb:

Gusts are a few seconds (3-5 s) wind peak. Typically in a hurricane environment, the value of the maximum 3 second gust over a 1 minute period is on the order of 1.3 times (or 30% higher than) than the 1 min sustained wind.

So, assuming 164 mph sustained winds, we would expect gusts of 213 mph. Whereas JTWC estimated 235 mph, the figure officially recorded by PAGASA was only 171 mph, which suggests the sustained speeds may have been slightly lower than we have assumed.

Atmospheric Pressure

The atmospheric pressure of Yolanda was 895 hPa. Within just the Western Pacific Basin, there have been 20 storms with lower pressure since these figures began to be reliably collected about 60 years ago. The lowest pressure recorded was 870 hPa, with Typhoon Tip in 1979.

Together with ties, typhoons with Yolanda’s atmospheric pressure or less can be expected every couple of years in the Western Pacific. Fortunately the vast majority of these never see land, or do so only after significant weakening.

Storm Surge

Both CNN and the BBC talk about 40 to 50 feet storm surges , yet the official Philippine body responsible for these matters, NOAH, using JMA models, on 7th November forecast about 5 meters or less for the day after when the storm hit land.”
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November 17, 2013 10:43am
Manolo

Frog truckies up in arms: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_FRANCE_TRUCK_PROTEST?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-11-16-09-30-58
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November 17, 2013 11:15am
iMP

Colin Craig came across reasoned and moderate on The Nation this morning, the same as during his various Talkback sessions with the public during the week. Has his head around any of the issues, politically. Hardly the cultist Slater makes out…

Is anyone NOT picking a Coalition between Nat – Conservative?:

Espiner
Hosking
Edwards
Small
TV3
Gower
TVNZ….blah blah blah. A growing throng.

http://youtu.be/pQGI9_g8PGs
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November 17, 2013 11:24am
Redbaiter

“Great read on a sunday morning.”

Great posts iMP, and another reason to say the Nat’s are hopelessly ideologically lost. Those completely brainwashed progressives should not be within a light year of the National Party. And that Cameron Slater was encouraging them shows he shouldn’t be either.

There’s one reason NZ is a socialist swamp, and that is the National Party’s steady capitulation to the left over the years, and these repugnant intolerant Progressive tyrants who call themselves the young Nats look set to carry on the tradition.
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November 17, 2013 11:26am
Pete George

Is anyone NOT picking a Coalition between Nat – Conservative?

Far too soon to call. The exaggerated talking up of CCCP continues – one thing Craig and supporters excel at.

Craig has to survive much greater exposure, do waht no one has achieved before and make the 5% threshold, National have to do well enough and Labour-Greens have to do less well, National have to need CCCP to for a coalition and they have to want to.

Craig can sound reasonable but can be two-sides-of-mouth like Cunliffe and he has some odd policy positions for a Conservative.

Some of his NBR Q&A responses: Colin Craig answers – NBR
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November 17, 2013 11:35am
Redbaiter

When I see two of the most odious personalities on Kiwiblog (Narsekissa and PG) joined in fervently bashing the Conservative Party it convinces me further that Craig is on the right track.

One a sneering intolerant hate merchant and the other a slimy all things to all men compromiser, its a strange alliance to be sure, but thanks anyway to Craig for flushing them out and making it clear what they really stand for.

Nothing that would ever earn them my vote.
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November 17, 2013 11:46am
Urban Redneck

As a conservative myself, Mr Craig and the CP are by no means perfect but they are a step in the right direction after years and years of insidious progressivism metastasizing within the National Party.

Re Slater. On a personal level Craig is everything Slater is not (and that’s probably irks Slater the most) . . successful in business, hardworking, congenial, brave enough to take a political position contrary to all of the other progressive fish swimming with the shoal, and I assume Craig hasn’t cheated on his wife.
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November 17, 2013 11:53am
Redbaiter

Homosexual writer agrees with Redbaiter-

Redefinition of marriage was just a big government power grab.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/gay-columnist-blasts-same-sex-marriage/
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November 17, 2013 11:54am
Harriet

“….When I see two of the most odious personalities on Kiwiblog (Narsekissa and PG) joined in fervently bashing the Conservative Party it convinces me further that Craig is on the right track…..”

And convinces others more and more that the Nat/Lab monoloth is on completly the wrong track. 😎
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November 17, 2013 11:56am
Urban Redneck

And convinces others more and more that the Nat/Lab monoloth is on completly the wrong track

If National and Labour both made some relatively minor concessions towards either of their industrial relations and economic policies, they could damn well merge.
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November 17, 2013 12:02pm
Harriet

“……Outside the newly enlarged circle of social approval and privilege afforded by same-sex marriage stand those whose erotic lives are not organised around the values symbolised by marriage: coupledom, monogamy, permanence, domestic cohabitation.

Unmarried mothers, for instance; adulterers; the devotedly promiscuous; sex workers; the divorced; the bigamous and polygamous; those who are not strangers to the august traditions of the dirty weekend or the one-night stand; single people.

Now this ragtag bunch might not seem as worthy of social protection and prestige as the loving, caring, long-term gay and lesbian couples that are the shiny new poster boys and girls for same-sex marriage. But it reminds us to ask something that advocates of same-sex marriage, in their eagerness, forget to ask: why should marriage continue in the 21st century to be a primary mechanism for the distribution of social recognition and privilege?

Important questions of social justice, equity and social belonging cannot get worked out across such an absurdly constrained and increasingly irrelevant category as marriage. Presenting itself as a magical solution while only distracting us from the real and unaddressed conditions of social inequity, marriage is a red herring for the 21st-century pursuit of social justice….”

Over the longer term it will go against the sexual mob as the welfare of children will once again underpin Marriage in society.
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November 17, 2013 12:03pm
Gulag1917

The Young Nats have a reputation of caring little more than money, no wonder some Nats have a coronary whenever principle becomes a subject of discussion.
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November 17, 2013 12:03pm
Pete George

“Homosexual writer agrees with Redbaiter”

You must be pleased that one person agrees with you. Two who are wrong.

There was no redefinition of marriage – my marriage is still defined exactly the same as it was last year – and there was no big government power grab involved.

Or are you referring to Craig’s attempt at a power grab? He supports a government land grab off people who don’t do what he wants with their own land.

Write to those with large “land banked” holdings notifying them that they should begin building homes or risk the government acquiring the land under the public works act.

http://www.conservativeparty.org.nz/index.php?page=PressReleases&pressid=116
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November 17, 2013 12:05pm
Redbaiter

“Or are you referring to Craig’s attempt at a power grab? He supports a government land grab off people who don’t do what he wants with their own land.”

Craig is wrong on this to be sure but to pretend that you care when UF and National have never in the last 30 years given a flying fuck for property rights is the height of rank opportunistic hypocrisy.

Nothing new to you of course. You couldn’t think or act or speak straight if your life depended upon it.
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November 17, 2013 12:09pm
Urban Redneck

The Young Nats have a reputation of caring little more than money,

Indeed. In fact my earlier statement contained one glaring omission.

National activists and MP’s are primarily interested in establishing themselves and their friends into a position of riches. Labour’s activists and MP’s play for ideological reasons. The perks of office for them are incidental.

And on the odd occasion you’ll get a whore like Dunne who is in politics for the money, the prestige and the sense of self-importance.
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November 17, 2013 12:11pm
Pauleastbay

Labour’s activists and MP’s play for ideological reasons. The perks of office for them are incidental

Urban Redneck
It is way too early in the day to that stoned that you would make the above comment. I can feel an intervention coming on if you were to continue in that vein.
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November 17, 2013 12:18pm
Gulag1917

The choice between National and Labour;

Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Agreed to have a battle;
For Tweedledum said Tweedledee
Had spoiled his nice new rattle.
Just then flew down a monstrous crow,
As black as a tar-barrel;
Which frightened both the heroes so,
They quite forgot their quarrel
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November 17, 2013 12:19pm
Harriet

“…National activists and MP’s are primarily interested in establishing themselves and their friends into a position of riches….”

I was going to reply with much of the same over at Imp’s blog.

Most young nats who now join see it as future employment and need only a basic understanding of economics: Expand the economy with the private sector doing all the heavy lifting, and then maintain the same level of government and services to keep Labour out of office. Along the way privatise the services, and all those who support us can apply to be private sector ‘providers’ – at a marginly cheaper rate than the public service could do the job.

That’s fine – till the Conservatives come along and throw them all into the same lefty camp – competing for lessor vacancies!
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November 17, 2013 12:24pm
Pete George

UF and National have never in the last 30 years given a flying fuck for property rights

No surprise there is nothing to back that up. Bluster – unless you have substance in your database of cut and pastes to support your claim? (Search your fact database if you have one, not your abuse phrase database).
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November 17, 2013 12:25pm
Gulag1917

If the Conservatives are polling so low why are the anti group getting so upset about this party.
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November 17, 2013 12:27pm
Harriet

“…..If the Conservatives are polling so low why are the anti group getting so upset about this party….”

They hate the public being told the truth.
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November 17, 2013 12:28pm
Pete George

I’m not aware of anyone getting upset, apart from the Colin Craig fan club who think that abusing any critic is fine but Colin is God and off limits to being discussed or questioned.
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November 17, 2013 12:31pm
Gulag1917

Principle versus utilitarianism, the age old battle.
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November 17, 2013 12:37pm
wiseowl

Lets face it PG ,you are just one of those who doesn’t have the ability to understand the ‘marriage’ situation.
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November 17, 2013 12:42pm
wiseowl

And Dunne is your God ?
Touche’
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November 17, 2013 12:43pm
Harriet

Colin Craig is coming across very very well. By living in aust, I’ve only seen him on TV or the internet around the time of the last NZ election and about a ’40sec segment’ on gay marriage.

Very impressive. He comes acroos as very genuine and on top of matters business and economy. They’ll romp in.
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November 17, 2013 12:45pm
Harriet

“….I’m not aware of anyone getting upset, apart from the Colin Craig fan club who think that abusing any critic is fine but Colin is God and off limits to being discussed or questioned…..”

LOL PG – his voter base is mostly small business people – surely they have the ability to question – and are not just followers like that of the JK & DC fanboi sloganeers! 😎
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November 17, 2013 12:54pm
Redbaiter

“No surprise there is nothing to back that up.”

What an idiot.

Three letters.

RMA
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November 17, 2013 12:55pm
Paulus

Can anybody confirm the rumour that Chris Laidlaw, now leaving the Sunday morning programme on left wing RNZ, is stepping down to try and get back into Parliament again, despite his failure before, and other things which may be forgiven by the Party.
As a Wellington City Councillor he may be expecting the usual jump back from the baby left wing to the mainstream Labour Party.
Frankly I am glad he is departing RNZ, but anything is better that the probable appointment of the “Little Irish girl’, who must have friends in high places, despite her plagiarism before.
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November 17, 2013 12:56pm
bhudson

Paulus,

IIRC he said he would resign from RNZ if he was elected onto both the regional council and the DHB.
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November 17, 2013 12:59pm
Pete George

RMA – Redbaiter Misses Again?
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November 17, 2013 1:01pm
wikiriwhis business

Kiwibloggers grizzle about middle class bludgers butt hey would ever try this

Doing it tough on the minimum wage

Andrew Mexted-Bragg’s a reasonably well-off guy who decided to find out what life on the minimum wage was really like.

He set himself the task of living on it for 11 weeks and was sponsored for doing so, raising more than $6000 for the Salvation Army in the process. It was an experience that changed him forever and taught him the real value of a dollar

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/9404613/Doing-it-tough-on-the-minimum-wage

I remember a National member fom Tauranga saying she would try it but never did. Lost her seat too 🙂
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November 17, 2013 1:45pm
wikiriwhis business

“Colin Craig is coming across very very well.”

He talks about ‘efficient govt’ which is a buzz term that the electorate has to pay and sacrifice as usual.
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November 17, 2013 1:47pm
wikiriwhis business

“Best typo of the day goes to Chuck B

“Women that get rolling drunk and as a consequence put themselves at rick”

Rick is a bad bastard but surely there are others”

The truth is woman love Rick
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November 17, 2013 1:50pm
Scott Chris

but anything is better that the probable appointment of the “Little Irish girl’, who must have friends in high places, despite her plagiarism before.

Meh. If you steal from one author it’s plagiarism; if you steal from many it’s research.

~~Wilson Mizner~~ Scott Chris
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November 17, 2013 1:51pm
Manolo

Sporting idols of the religion of peace: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/11/16/palestinian-soccer-tourney-features-teams-named-after-terrorists-report/
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November 17, 2013 2:27pm
Manolo

And Dunne is your God ?

Also his Owner, Creator, Master and Supreme Being.
P.G.’s life will be devoid of meaning, a wreck, the day the whore retires.
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November 17, 2013 2:29pm
wikiriwhis business

“And Dunne is your God ?”

I would have to believe Peter Dunne is close to some god if he gets re-elected next year.
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November 17, 2013 2:34pm
Redbaiter

Narsekissa, Vassy Boy and Bigot Bruv would be pleased to see that their Marxist mates in secular totalitarian Nth Korea are up to their usual tricks.

Nth Korea executes 80 for reading bible

Progressivism- is that where its going to take us?
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November 17, 2013 2:39pm
stephieboy

Ed Snack (1,199) Says:
November 17th, 2013 at 8:08 am
You share the view of the Prince of paranoia ,Alex jones that Obama is indeed the Anti Christ.?
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November 17, 2013 3:00pm
wikiriwhis business

‘ Obama is indeed the Anti Christ.?’

The New World Order recently officially annonced by Joe Biden and originally promoted by George H Bush is certainly looking to be fulfilled by the US biased TPP
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November 17, 2013 3:09pm
wikiriwhis business

Grassroots police are dismayed at the closure of yet another police bar, saying it denies them a safe place to socialise – while senior staff at national headquarters in Wellington can continue to drink at work.

The closure of the bar at Auckland Central police station earlier this year continues a trend of closing the once-infamous station bars and building new stations without them.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9408955/Bars-behind-bars-barred

An official strategy beginning to slowly wind down alcohol in society
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November 17, 2013 3:17pm
dime

Dime just had a glorious few days fishing. Boys trip.

We really do have a stunning country.

The key to keeping it that way – make sure we always have access to beaches, water, parks etc. Once you appreciate it, you protect it.

A bunch of smelly hippies protesting, blocking access and demanding new taxes for everyone wont protect our glorious country.

Thats my rant for the day! UFC time.
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November 17, 2013 3:24pm
dime

Almost forgot – PG, you really are a miserable prick. Not only lacking in basic social skills and intellect, youve now become an arrogant prick. never wrong.

keeping fighting the good fight for Dung, im sure you can get him to 0.005% in the polls next year.
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November 17, 2013 3:26pm
ChrisM

For all the Greens like quoting science when it suits them, the Philippines typhoon shows just how big a hypocrite they can be. Ryan Maue is the acknowledged expert on hurricanes energy. Roger Peilke has done much research on their costs. Their latest paper:
http://models.weatherbell.com/weinkle_maue_pielke.pdf
says no change in either frequency of intensity of Hurricanes or typhoons
http://models.weatherbell.com/tropical.php
Of course, both have been excommunicated by the IPCC priesthood for not toeing the party line.
By the way, the IPCC definition of moderate confidence is effectively 50/50 so low confidence is a fancy name for a wild guess.
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November 17, 2013 3:36pm
Redbaiter

Further to The Conservative’s posts above, the rot at the heart of National exposed by young Nats who are virtually the same as their young Labour colleagues-

http://truebluenz.com
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November 17, 2013 3:55pm
calendar girl

PG @ 12:05 – “There was no redefinition of marriage – my marriage is still defined exactly the same as it was last year ……”

That statement must be challenged head-on for its deliberate attempt to distort the factual situation created by the new law.

Previously a marriage in NZ was solely between a man and a woman, each unmarried and of legal age. Today a NZ marriage is permitted between any two people, each unmarried and of legal age; gender is irrelevant.

To suggest otherwise is to play with words for a mischievous purpose.
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November 17, 2013 3:57pm
Harriet

“….By the way, the IPCC definition of moderate confidence is effectively 50/50 so low confidence is a fancy name for a wild guess….”

50/50 is just as much a guess.

67% would be the absolute minimium before I took anything seriously that the Greens said. Even then it would be with half an ocean of salt – and after the sea levels have risen.

The Greens get away with mouthing a slogan accompanied by pictures to the fearful after a natural disaster, which happen freguently on the entire surface of this solar planet, and then pointing to 1000 reports that are mostly false about the ‘effects of climate change’ and far to hard for the average voter to make any sense of. Then they quickly move on to the next ‘questionable catastophic disaster’ and repeat the process.

That process maintains the image to gullable voters that the Greens are nessecery for the survival of mankind this election cycle. Nothing else matters to these voters. Nothing at all. Drug fucked mostly. 😎
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November 17, 2013 3:59pm
cha

“Holy fuck boys” – the TPB’s official YouTube channel has been launched.
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November 17, 2013 4:20pm
igm

I hope these Greenpeace losers hit a gigantic storm and sink.
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November 17, 2013 4:21pm
goldnkiwi

Once, giving someone an elephant was a means to bankrupt them lol Sri Lanka wants to give us one as a gift apparently. Is it a friendly act or not? ;).
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November 17, 2013 4:25pm
RF

FFS those stupid bloody green idiots will only put lives at risk with their precious anti drilling protest out at sea.

Just a bunch of useless wankers who seek publicity.
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November 17, 2013 4:46pm
Pete George

“Almost forgot – PG, you really are a miserable prick.”

Hilarious dime. I get a lot of laughs winding up the miserable moaners like you, Manolo and Redbaiter.
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November 17, 2013 5:08pm
Manolo

I get a lot of laughs winding up the miserable moaners like you, Manolo and Redbaiter.

Indeed. Your and your fellow man-haters must laugh all day long. LOL.
Long live UnitedFuture.
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November 17, 2013 5:12pm
Pete George

Haha, hate, hypocrisy and Winston’s first mate Manolo who loves Obama, Key, and Maori so much.
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November 17, 2013 5:34pm
Manolo

Advice from some “friend”: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/11/opinion/keller-salvaging-obama.html?src=recg
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November 17, 2013 5:43pm
bereal

The myopic politically correct brigade in NZ must be gutted.

They do everything they can to suck up to muslim immigrants. They embrace them, they
celebrate them, they ban nativity scenes, they remove crosses from the top of Christmas trees
just in case they offend the poor sensitive muslims, they have ‘special’ days at Mt Eden swimming
pool so muslim women can have exclusive use without mens presence etc. etc.

And still the muslims shit on them.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11158245

Surely these suckarse P.C. Kiwis can demean themselves some more. They are incapable of
understanding that the more you bend over for these muslims the more they will demand.
sharia banking, sharia law, seperate education, on and on…..

(Now that post is sure to attract a poultice of thumbs down but it made me feel better.)
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November 17, 2013 5:58pm
Chuck Bird

Suspected hit and run driver’s car plunges into river

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9409842/Suspected-hit-and-run-drivers-car-plunges-into-river

PG, Do you think this one is the man’s fault? Does anyone think she will get serious jail times as a man would?
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November 17, 2013 6:00pm
Judith

@ Redbaiter (6,435) Says:
November 17th, 2013 at 2:39 pm

My dad once used pages from a bible as toilet paper at the bach when the roll was empty (my great aunt used to leave a bible in the facility to read during long sessions).

Dad probably would have got a Knighthood in North Korea.
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November 17, 2013 6:02pm
wat dabney

Damn, Kate Pierson is all woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ0vDAbF7s
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