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Pete George

RB Top Ten requirements for Prime Minister replacement-

1- Male patriarch with values circa 1813

2- Caucasian blood

3- Must love Colin Craig

4- Must love oil drillers, especially prolific blogging oil drillers who crave love

5- Must worship at church

6- Must believe opposition to queer marriage is crank heroism

7- Must love Colin Craig

8- Must be blind adherent to all traditional Conservative values (unless it doesn’t suit)

9- Must be ignorant of what Conservative values actually are

10- Must love Colin Craig

11- Must make upticking Redbaiter mandatory
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November 15, 2013 1:49pm
Keeping Stock

You left one out RB

11-Must hate Colin Craig 😀
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November 15, 2013 1:52pm
nasska

Wait until Colin gets around to presenting himself as an ‘everyday New Zealander’ when he hasn’t wiped his own arse since 1998.
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November 15, 2013 1:53pm
Pete George

@MorganGodfery

Colon Craig has had a logic bypass: “you have to remember our signing the Treaty was our freeing the slaves in New Zealand”

If he wants to be anti-Treaty he should at least make up something that passes as credible.
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November 15, 2013 1:56pm
Pete George

Not sure where these are coming from – ah, he had an interview on NBR today.

Colin Craig admires President Putin. No, really.

It’s ok to change your mind about who you support in politics.
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November 15, 2013 2:01pm
Judith

@ Chuck Bird (4,014) Says:
November 15th, 2013 at 12:37 pm

1. Just because the Herald provides a label for someone, does not mean they have it right.

2. I am not arguing that either situation is more harmful than the other. Sexual violation, abuse, molestation etc are harmful in every context.

3. I am simply pointing out to you that there are vast differences in what motivates a pedophile, and what motivates other types of sexual offending that involves minors.

4. That difference exists between the two different levels of physical sexual development. One type of victim has no sexual development. The other is does. One type of perpetrator, targets their victims because they have immature minds, but are sexually developed. The other type of perpetrator (the pedophile) targets the victim that is both immature in mind and body.

5. You claim that both are the same. They are not. It is the law that defines the minor, but at 15 years of age, a person can be physically fully mature – and posses varying degrees of capability to take part in sexual relations -NONE of which I believe should involve anyone but those within the same level of both mental and physical maturity and age group.

6. A person is homosexual because they are sexually attracted to the mature sexual attributes of the same gender as themselves. A person attracted to a non-sexualised body – is attracted because it is NOT sexually mature – that is, an absence of sexuality. For some reason, which is still not completely understood, pedophiles find a lack of sexual development sexually exciting. Homosexuals require sexual maturity in order to be sexually attracted.

7. There is no exclusitivity in sexual offending, and perpetrators have been identified belonging to a mix of the groupings. That is, a married man with children can also be turned on by other men etc … I’m sure I don’t need to explain that too you.
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November 15, 2013 2:02pm
Redbaiter

“Wait until Colin gets around to presenting himself as an ‘everyday New Zealander’ when he hasn’t wiped his own arse since 1998.”

Hillbilly burning with socialist envy.

Why the hell are you still here bashing your one issue crap?

Shouldn’t you be with your prog mates on Frogblog?
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November 15, 2013 2:05pm
Jack5

Re Pete George’s 1.56, I can’t find the Morgan Godfrey post you are commenting on. Can you elaborate please?

However, the Treaty of Waitangi did abolish slavery in NZ, though it seems to have continued for a decade or two in the Chatham Islands, where the Taranaki Maori continued to keep as slaves some of the Moriori they didn’t kill.

As for Putin, I think you’ll find quite a few New Zealanders like his actions on the Greenwar protesters.
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November 15, 2013 2:07pm
Manolo

Is P.G.’s antipathy towards Colin Craig the result of his unconditional love for Peter Dunne?
Torn between two lovers?
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November 15, 2013 2:07pm
Judith

@ Manolo (11,222) Says:
November 15th, 2013 at 12:40 pm

But I am not in a hole. It is Chuck who is relying on a popular media representation of something, and is clearly not familiar with the differences between the people he is referring to. He is also of the opinion that a number (an age) indicates a persons level of sexual maturity. It does not. It is in this case simply a definition for the sake of legal clarity.

Again you mention Bain – you really need to find another way to redefine the many in which you allow your obsession with the case to provide a measure on all matters, even those unrelated to it.
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November 15, 2013 2:08pm
nasska

I feel I’m doing good work here Baity….there might still be one or two readers who haven’t been put off conservatism by your last fifteen years of repetitive blathering.

I’m reaching out to them. 🙂
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November 15, 2013 2:09pm
thedavincimode

Longknives

You should have realised by now that all homosexual men are paedos, all Maori beat their children and all heterosexual men are rapists.

It’s a grim scene out there I tell ya!
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November 15, 2013 2:13pm
Pete George

As for Putin, I think you’ll find quite a few New Zealanders like his actions on the Greenwar protesters.

Enough to see him as their “most admired person”?
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November 15, 2013 2:14pm
thedavincimode

Manolo

It’s simply because in this country, there are only two diviners of what is fair, reasonable and sensible
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November 15, 2013 2:15pm
graham

Is there a link to these comments about Colin Craig?
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November 15, 2013 2:18pm
Pete George

They’ve been on a RadioLive interview, I presume they will be reported on in due course.
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November 15, 2013 2:23pm
nasska

Don’t worry graham…..there’ll be more comments like these.

Colin only opens his mouth to change feet.
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November 15, 2013 2:25pm
Ross12

Arrogant bitch
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/19842400/what-is-key-actually-going-to-say-at-chogm-greens/
Wasn’t Logie the one who pulled a stunt and was not exactly honest with NZers on what went on.
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November 15, 2013 2:26pm
Griff

So what are conservative values then redbaiter?

These from our conservative past?

Raping your wife is good. Its your right to force her to fuck.
If you are a priest and play with boys dicks you get a great new job somewhere else.
The missionary position is the only permitted way to have sex and then only for procreation.
Sowing two different crops in the same field will send you to hell as will a nylon wool blend.
Its ok to beat your wife and slaves just not to death.
Don’t eat shell fish its an abomination.
You are totally free to live only as we say.
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November 15, 2013 2:30pm
Manolo

A wild animal has been caught: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8755924/man-arrested-for-nasty-sexual-assault
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November 15, 2013 2:34pm
Pete George

Yes Ross12, aided by Norman. Barry Soper called he on it:

The detention of a Green MP by Sri Lankan authorities isn’t quite what it seems.

Jan Logie has just returned to the country and has admitted to our Political Editor Barry Soper that she sat in the foyer of her hotel with the authorities and didn’t even ask them whether she was free to leave.

Ms Logie can’t recall whether they told her she couldn’t leave.

“I don’t know if they said those words, and I don’t think we asked specifically but it was very clear that we weren’t to be going anywhere.

“They told us that we had to come with them.”

TV3 ran part of the interview and it came across worse in that.
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November 15, 2013 2:35pm
nasska

But Griff….

…..Baity & his conservonutter, Godwhack mates know what’s best for us. 🙂
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November 15, 2013 2:35pm
Chuck Bird

@Judith

Do you think Herald should have had the following headline to be accurate? I think you are being just a little pedantic.

Hebephile and ebephile’s sentence disappoints victims

I still cannot see your point.

“He is also of the opinion that a number (an age) indicates a persons level of sexual maturity.”

Kindly show me where I said that.

People obviously do not mature physically, mentally or sexually at the same age. However, we cannot test individuals to see if the are mature enough to drive, vote or consent to sex.
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November 15, 2013 2:41pm
Yvette

“You have to remember our signing the Treaty was our freeing the Maori slaves in New Zealand”

Fixed.
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November 15, 2013 2:41pm
Pete George

Here you go graham:

AUDIO: Colin Craig on T-Rex: “I always loved the idea of this massive thing that went around eating people”

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/AUDIO-Colin-Craig-spends-an-hour-with-Wallace-Chapman/tabid/506/articleID/38987/Default.aspx …
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November 15, 2013 2:43pm
graham

Thanks Pete, might have to wait for a while before I have a chance to listen to all 47 minutes of audio.
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November 15, 2013 2:45pm
gump

@Chuck Bird

“If you read the link I gave the Herald labeled the man a peadophile. Most of his victims were boys between 12 and 16 and one was a boy under 12. The common usage of the term peadophile is an adult who has sex with someone under 16.”

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Pedophiles are strongly attracted to children that haven’t reached puberty.

This isn’t semantic word games. It is the literal definition of a pedophile.

The common usage – as seen in the Herald – is not correct.
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November 15, 2013 2:46pm
thedavincimode

Steady on Ross12.

Judging from the way she was like [rising intonation font] speaking [normal font] like on the like [rising intonation font] radio [normal font] she is only like a pubescent [rising intonation font] teenager [normal font] and maybe you should not be like [rising intonation font] so hard on her?
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November 15, 2013 2:55pm
Judith

@ Chuck

I suggest you take your accusation and put it where I’m sure no man has been.

It is very clear by the current conversation and others from you, that you would like to blame homosexuality for paedophillia.

Your argument is fatally flawed, however, given your phobia, you will never see that. It is pointless arguing with you further.
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November 15, 2013 2:57pm
nasska

Chuck

Obviously the law has to set an absolute point where one hour over or under that age is the cut off between a child & an adult. People who seek sex partners under this arbitrary age will be charged & sentenced on this basis.

There is still room for further classification as ‘Judith’ & ‘gump’ have argued. A girl of twelve may be sexually mature enough to fall pregnant & in some stone age societies would be married off before this age. Similarly a boy of twelve could well be capable physically of fathering a child.

Surely the safest way to describe a paedophile is one who seeks out prepubescent kids of either gender for their own sexual satisfaction.
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November 15, 2013 2:59pm
Chuck Bird

@gump

Why do you not try and educate the Herald? Please tell me their response?
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November 15, 2013 3:01pm
Redbaiter

Just watching AMA on Colin Craig at NBR.

Amazing how the people wanting to scrutinize Craig so minutely are quite often National Party supporters who clearly don’t give a fuck what that Party stands for.
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November 15, 2013 3:19pm
Chuck Bird

@Nasska

I believe that an adult who has sex with someone under 16 is a low life and potentially can do a lot of harm to a child. There is a grey area. I do not agree with Phil Geoff’s idea to lower the age of consent to 12 if their is less that 2 years age difference. However, there is a big direrence between a boy of 18 having sex with a 15 year old and a 34 year old having sex with someone a day under 16.

To agrue that the Herald should have used the word ebephile instead of paedophile is being pedantic and silly as it is a newspapers job is to communicate to the masses. They were referring probably to a 34 year onl man who was both a paedophile and an ebephile. The one victim was under 12.

It sounds to me that Judith is minimizing the hard done to underage adolescents sexually abused by adults – something she has accused others of in relation to 13 year old girls.

There is no excuse for adults particularly over 25 to have sex with any boy or girl under 16 whether they consent or not regardless if they have reached puberty.
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November 15, 2013 3:20pm
PhilP

Is there any chance of joining Reddy’s Fan Club?
I’ve read a lot this week and would hate to miss out.
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November 15, 2013 3:20pm
stigie

I think you will be most welcome PhilP, it will give him a stiffie.
He will be along shortly to anoint you after he has cleaned down his monitor.
Reddy has had a huge week with his ever increasing fan base, he must be in good spirits and feel like a Cardinal !!
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November 15, 2013 3:22pm
Pete George

PhilP, Reddy is clairvoyant so you just need to think of what you want and he will adopt you as a fan.

the people wanting to scrutinize Craig so minutely are quite often National Party supporters who clearly don’t give a fuck what that Party stands for

He must be clairvoyant, otherwise he just made that up.
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November 15, 2013 3:23pm
TheContrarian

“Pedophiles are strongly attracted to children that haven’t reached puberty.

This isn’t semantic word games. It is the literal definition of a pedophile.

The common usage – as seen in the Herald – is not correct.”

That’s right actually. Technically it should be called Hebephilia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hebephilia
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November 15, 2013 3:30pm
thedavincimode

For someone who said he hardly ever bothers with GD (something to do with knuckle-dragging commie homo prog trolls) he seems to spend an awful lot of time here. And I mean awful.
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November 15, 2013 3:31pm
nasska

….”the people wanting to scrutinize Craig so minutely are quite often National Party supporters who clearly don’t give a fuck what that Party stands for”…..

Right on. We want what we are getting now…..steady economic management without moralistic, religious crap. As shown regularly in polls roughly fifty percent of the electorate don’t want a bar of the CCCP ramming their crap down our throats. The more activist of us will do just about anything to retain the freedom to run our own lives.

It’s called a democracy.
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November 15, 2013 3:31pm
wikiriwhis business

Boeing, Recipient of the Largest State Tax Subsidy in History, Paid Nothing in State Corporate Income Taxes Over the Past Decade

On November 12th, Washington Governor Jay Inslee signed into law the largest state business tax break package in history for Boeing.[1] The new law will give Boeing and its suppliers an estimated $8.7 billion in tax breaks between now and 2040. Even before this giant new subsidy, Boeing has already been staggeringly successful in avoiding state taxes. Over the past decade, Boeing has managed to avoid paying even a dime of state income taxes nationwide on $35 billion in pretax U.S. profits.

Nationwide, Boeing reported $96 million in net state income tax rebates over the 2003-2012 period

http://ctj.org/ctjreports/2013/11/boeing_recipient_of_the_largest_state_tax_subsidy_in_history_paid_nothing_in_state_corporate_income.php#.UoVnOo3LEyw

and you complain about beneficiaries!
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November 15, 2013 3:35pm
nasska

Chuck

….”There is no excuse for adults particularly over 25 to have sex with any boy or girl under 16 whether they consent or not regardless if they have reached puberty.”….

Totally agree. The law is a reflection of society’s desire to protect kids from sexual predators. It is still useful to differentiate between the various motivations of those who prey on them.
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November 15, 2013 3:35pm
Pete George

Christ Keall to Colin Craig: Do you want Citizens-Initiated Referenda results to be binding?

Yes we do want them to be binding, very odd that a formal vote by the public in a democracy can be ignored even when overwhelming.

Our policy is a 2/3rds majority should be binding, anything less can be taken as advisory.

This is a bottom line for us although accept that there may be need for restrictions on referendum that are financially significant.

That’s a Yeah, but nah, not necessarily.

Tom B: Is there any policy that you would make a condition of any coalition or confidence agreement with a potential National Government?

Things at the top of our list at the moment

Binding referendum (2/3rds majority required)
batter value for government spend
reduced debt
work for benefit not a freebie

Generally smaller more efficient government with greater transparency/democracy.

Other than binding referendum that’s slogans and platitudes, you can have bottom lines on things that vague.
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November 15, 2013 3:38pm
Scott Chris

Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=GhJR3ywIijo
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November 15, 2013 3:39pm
Pete George

Correction: Other than binding referendum that’s slogans and platitudes, you can’t have bottom lines on things that vague.
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November 15, 2013 3:41pm
nasska

Expect more platitudes & waffle PG. The last thing the illustrious leader wants to do is scare the horses with the real agenda.

That’s in the Trojan Horse he drags with him.
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November 15, 2013 3:42pm
Chuck Bird

“It’s called a democracy.”

Would you call it democracy if a small but fanatical religious group could dictate to you because they had the majority of MPs and could vote in legislation opposed by 85% of the voters?

Peterson called gerrymandering in Queensland democratic because it benefited him. A vote every 3 years does not make for a democracy.

A cut to a 4% threashhold and no coat tailing would be more democratic than the deal Key is suggesting with the Consevatives. However, Key will ignore the Electoral Commission as he believes it will benefit National. A 4% threshold would also be a good reason a abolish the Maori seats – something Colin Craig will promote.
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November 15, 2013 3:45pm
Pete George

Aligns with the Tea Party Megan Jones: What is your opinion of the Tea Party movement in America and are there any of their policies or views that you would like to implement?

Absolutely necessary, someone had to challenge the big borrowing, big spending and the age of “corporate welfare” with businesses getting bailouts beyond belief.

We share that platform.

Also their “town hall meetings” style is reflective of a grass roots party like ours.

Does he have “town hall meetings”?

They are quite different in respect of movement versus mono.
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November 15, 2013 3:47pm
Longknives

“Manolo,
Interesting that the comparison of sports didn’t include basketball. The US men’s basketball team would have a record as good, if not better than the ABs. 117-7 record in all games since 1992 (94% winning average compared to ABs around 85% over the same period), 14 Olympic titles in the last 80 years, and 3 World Cups in pretty much the same period the ABs won 2.”

Factor in the rugby is barely a blip on the radar of the World sports scene and the current All Blacks arrogant claim seems even more laughable- But you are wasting your time trying to talk common sense into anyone wearing an All Black eyepatch Ivan…
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November 15, 2013 3:57pm
cha

* Weather events are no worse , but are probably cyclically milder

In 2012 re-insurers Munich Re released a report looking at catastrophic events around the world and included in the report was this pretty picture.

They divided costly insurance events into four categories and while geophysical events ,earthquake, tsunami and volcanic, barely changed the other three weather related events have nearly tripled in 30 years.
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November 15, 2013 4:00pm
Pete George

Craig seems to support abortion, this can’t be universally accepted within CCCP:

Our abortion policy is to bring in “full and informed consent” as practiced in Western European nations. We think that this policy could gain support to become law.

Full and informed consent requires women contemplating an abortion to be fully informed of potential health issues and consequences. The advice is given by an independent medical experts.

This would still leave the decision with the women in a situation such as you have outlined. There would still be a need to meet current legislative requirements.

Depends on what he actually means.

Michele Bachmann’s proposed “Heartbeat Informed Consent Act,” would require a woman seeking an abortion to undergo an ultrasound, in order to view and hear a fetal heartbeat.

“A pregnant woman who enters an abortion clinic is faced with a decision that will forever change two lives. That’s why she must have the very best information with which to make that decision. The ‘Heartbeat Informed Consent Act,’ that I introduced today, would require that abortion providers make the unborn child’s heartbeat visible through ultrasound, describe the cardiac activity, and make the baby’s heartbeat audible, if the child is old enough for it to be detectable.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/bachmann-introduces-bill-to-require-ultrasounds-for-women-seeking-abortions

Don’t see that being a goer here, although it still allows for abortions.
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November 15, 2013 4:01pm
unaha-closp

Global warming since 1997 more than twice as fast as previously estimated, new study shows…

2 x 0 = …
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November 15, 2013 4:05pm
Pete George

Jimmy to Colin Craig: Do you believe the world was created in seven days?

Don’t know, I wasn’t there.

Seems there are lots of theories and opinions. I realise it is important to some people but I just don’t know the answer.

This sounds like he tried to avoid answering it or tried to appease two camps, but either way a poor waffly response. A clear ‘no’ was the only credible answer.
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November 15, 2013 4:10pm
Judith

@ PhilP (113) Says:
November 15th, 2013 at 3:20 pm
Is there any chance of joining Reddy’s Fan Club?
I’ve read a lot this week and would hate to miss out.

As far as I know, there isn’t any particular joining process or criteria, except that one must have at some stage had contact with the 2 year old psyche, in order to understand complicated processes you will be exposed to.

But other than that, welcome aboard. You are now an official a socialist commie prog, or was the a prog commie socialist? Whatever it is, the title shall apply regardless of your stand point on any particular subject. 🙂
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November 15, 2013 4:10pm
iMP

I like the Conservative Party policy on Binding Referendums. It has built-in constraints and only certain things can be triggered into a referendum. It has worked well for several decades in Switzerland where referendum are a very real break of the People on ideological government. (Mental Picture: irons on the Labour Party).
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November 15, 2013 4:12pm
Reid

An electric car with DRM in the battery which has to be rented and cannot be purchased. So if you don’t pay the rental, you lose the car, even after you bought it. But wait, there’s more.

We’ve long joined makers and tinkerers in warning that, as software becomes a part of more and more everyday devices, DRM and the legal restrictions on circumventing it will create hurdles to standard repairs and even operation. In the U.S., a car manufacturer who had wrapped its onboard software in technical restrictions could argue that attempts to get around those are in violation of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA)—specifically section 1201, the notorious “anti-circumvention” provisions.

These provisions make it illegal for users to circumvent DRM or help others do so, even if the purpose is perfectly legal otherwise. Similar laws exist around the world, and are even written into some international trade agreements—including, according to a recently leaked draft, the Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement.

http://wealthydebates.com/new-car-will-disable-itself-over-financial-status/

Say it ain’t so. I can’t tell you how much I can’t stand DRM and soon, we won’t even be able to turn it off. For me, that’s a TPP killer right there, who cares about Pharmac…
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November 15, 2013 4:13pm
iMP

There will be Lib-Prog.s cells all across the nation tonight, burning midnight olive oil and pouring over Colin Craig statements from since before he was born, video clips and school year books, to locate OUTRAGEOUS one liners, like GASP…[self soil] “In Aug. 2010, Colin Craig said Morris Dancer’s were hip.”

Meanwhile in Sin City, Cameron Slater will reveal that Colin Craig once got several gardening library books back LATE to the Upper Harbour library and said “bum” on two occasions.
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November 15, 2013 4:17pm
nasska

If I was a supporter of a religious moralistic party I’d be more concerned to see if the leader could survive an independant check of their internet history.

It’s tripped up a few.
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November 15, 2013 4:21pm
Pete George

Mark Hubbard asked Craig:

Do you understand that sacrosanct property rights and the small state are fundamental to conservatism? And that your populist promise to forcibly have the (big) state purchase land from developers who aren’t, in the mind of an arbitrary state, building fast enough, contradicts both these tenets?

If you so easily break these two fundamentals why would a conservative trust you on any other policy issue?

He skipped the question. That was one of the key questions.
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November 15, 2013 4:22pm
Pete George

More revealing answers from the “don’t go to church” Craig.

What is your position on teaching the theory of evolution in New Zealand schools?

Schools are meant to educate. This is a widely known and respected theory so should be taught.

Do you believe creationism should be taught in schools as a valid alternative to evolution?

This is the predominant world view (although in various forms).

As above schools are meant to educate and so I think it should also be taught.

Again a nod to different camps but may reveal where he’s coming from.
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November 15, 2013 4:24pm
Judith

@ Pete George (19,691) Says:
November 15th, 2013 at 4:10 pm

Is Mr Craig not a devout christian? For some reason I thought I had read that he was?
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November 15, 2013 4:25pm
wikiriwhis business

Massive sinkhole threatens to swallow town

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9404543/Massive-sinkhole-threatens-to-swallow-town
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November 15, 2013 4:34pm
Reid

This sounds like he tried to avoid answering it or tried to appease two camps, but either way a poor waffly response. A clear ‘no’ was the only credible answer.

I think a commenter above was right Pete. You really don’t like to see your beau face any competition, do you. I just bet you’d like to scratch out his beady widdle eyes, wouldn’t you.

BTW, I know you’re not a Christian, but you should know basic facts about it if you want to pretend to be fair, reasonable and sensible; such as to God, a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day. The Bible is full of analogies and you have to remember this is because God is using language we can understand as a father does to a child. So just like when a father told his child that the stars were the lights of heaven shining through, you need to apply a lens of interpretation to what it says, and when you do that, you’ll find there are layers within layers within layers. But of course, you can if you like continue to read it as a child would and you’ll accordingly reap what you put into it. And BTW, that doesn’t mean I think it was formed in seven thousand years, either. God does not exist in time, you see. Time and space are constructs intended for us and those other physical creatures who live in the physical world, so that we can make sense of it for the short short time we’re here, learning the lesson we were put here to learn, which is to love God and love others as ourselves. I know you don’t believe Pete but I hope that’s fair, reasonable and sensible enough for you to see that even though you don’t buy it, you’ll allow others to have their view of it. BTW, what would your beau say about that? I thought he was a Christian? Or was he just saying that to get elected?
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November 15, 2013 4:34pm
Pete George

He answered Mark’s question along with

How can you justify encroaching private property rights just to get a bit of land for development? Surely the same nett effect could be achieved by making it easier and cheaper for developers to develop(but without the undermining of important principles)?

Firstly see our website for my blog post to put it in perspective.

Other reforms such as land zoning (free up existing land use restrictions) and RMA (exempt residential housing and improvements) need to happen first. Also Govt needs to lead by example and better utilise it’s large land holdings.

If the above fails then writing to a few land bankers (not developers with relatively small holdings) is a valid step toward solving the housing crisis. Interesting to see the UK Conservatives have had to do similar.

I don’t see this as a breach of Conservative principles, legislation does empower government intervention, I consider it a last resort but better to use it than have a dysfunctional market like we have now.

So he supports market intervention and forced property acquisition.
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November 15, 2013 4:37pm
Pete George

Reid – wrong, you’re as bad at making things up as some of the others. I’ve always said that if CCCP get enough votes they should be in parliament and we should have a much lower threshold to ensure that.

And I think CCCP and UF will probably not be competing much if at all, UF look unlikely to do much outside Ohariu (I may have limited if any involvement) and Craig will stand in Auckland but will be going for party vote, so two quite different political markets.

Are you a Craig supporter pissy about criticism? It looks a bit like that, standard tactic to divert to something irrelevant (and wrong) about the messenger.
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November 15, 2013 4:41pm
nickb

Glued to TV tonight… can Sachin (aka God) get a 100 in his last game?
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November 15, 2013 4:50pm
nickb

“I have more than enough pussy to eat at home”.

Rob Ford, Toronto Mayor, 14 November 2013.
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November 15, 2013 4:58pm
Manolo

Is it the young buck Colin Craig or the fantasist, sell-my-body-for-power, Peter Dunne?
P.G.’s dilemma and conundrum:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8LIYS7sKqU
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November 15, 2013 4:58pm
stigie

Anyone know when the Kea is back ?
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November 15, 2013 5:00pm
Reid

For those who think it’s still Morning in America, as well as those unsure about the main reason why it still isn’t.

http://humansarefree.com/2013/10/10-explosive-us-government-secrets.html

Are you a Craig supporter pissy about criticism? It looks a bit like that, standard tactic to divert to something irrelevant (and wrong) about the messenger.

Pete no I’m not, I don’t know any of his policies apart from those he discussed on a Q&A interview the other week about forcing land bankers to sell and that one I did like, but I wouldn’t yet call myself a supporter. I’m just fascinated by the vehemence of people like you because it’s what normally happens amongst the hysterical and confused whenever someone professing – quelle horreur – Christian beliefs, puts themselves into the political arena. Such galloping morons seem to hallucinate this means they’ll try to make everyone wear sackcloth and ashes and go to church on Sunday, and your comments are verging on that, which isn’t very fair, sensible or reasonable. I expect to see it in the juvenile low-IQ morons that inhabit most of the media, but I’m surprised to see someone with gray hair joining them.
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November 15, 2013 5:00pm
KevinH

Ten requirements to be Auckland Mayor;

1. Must be a leftie greenie
2. Must hate Colin Craig
3. Must like train sets
4. Must like spending large sums of ratepayers money
5. Must pretend to hold true to Christian values of loyalty and honesty
6. Must enjoy a bit on the side
7. Must take advantage of free hotel room kickbacks
8. Must refuse to resign regardless of being caught with your pants down on the job
9. Must enjoy the Ngati Whatua room for socialising
10. Must be an idiot.
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November 15, 2013 5:02pm
Pete George

You’re more than a bit oversensitive to my comments Reid.

Craig says he’s a Conservative, but he seems willing to compromise on some fundamental things like property rights. What other principles will he compromise on?

I don’t care if Craig is religious or not, I care more about his lack of conviction in some of his answers, he’s sounding as duplicitous as David Cunliffe – and I have no idea about Cunliffe’s religious beliefs either.
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November 15, 2013 5:05pm
Manolo

Anyone know when the Kea is back ?

Circa November 2015.
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November 15, 2013 5:07pm
Manolo

P.G. is terrified Craig could make his beloved Dunne even more irrelevant than he is today. Fear and panic.
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November 15, 2013 5:09pm
All_on_Red

Cha
Tell you what. I’ll put the UAH and RSS satellite measurements up against the liars from SKS anytime. The latest from UAH- the NASA system ( you believe NASA right? ) is the temp has gone up .029 since 1979 .SKS are so desperate now they are just blatantly making shit up. Btw the margin of error for 85% of all land based gauges is around 2 degrees!
As for taking the word of Munich Re. Seriously , talk about a vested interest. Why don’t you quote Bom, NOAA, WMO etc who have been recording weather events for decades.
You and Griff should give it up. You’re just looking silly and gullible.
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November 15, 2013 5:14pm
Colville

Its going to be a really tiresome next 11 months Pete George if you are going to blather on all day every day about Craig.

Manolo.
Is Kea really gone for a year?
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November 15, 2013 5:15pm
Tom Jackson

In other words, historically and comparative, the All Blacks have been the most consistently competitive team in any major sport

Rugby isn’t a major sport. The only country in which it is the most popular sport is here. That’s the main reason the All Blacks win.

New Zealand is very good at games no one else really plays.
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November 15, 2013 5:15pm
wreck1080

Some people are saying 10 years jail for david ross is too lenient.

I think sentences are way too lenient in this country for a broad range of crimes.

However, murder might get 12 years or more, so I think 10 years seems fair on a relative basis.

Personally, i think murder should start at a minimum of 30 years, and David Ross should have been sentenced to life as he ruined so many other lives.
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November 15, 2013 5:15pm
Manolo

@Colville, no, I don’t think so. Was being facetious. I do hope the Muslim-lovers rejoins us soon (I believe it’s a matter of days/weeks).
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November 15, 2013 5:16pm
Reid

You’re more than a bit oversensitive to my comments Reid.

No I’m sensitive to hysteria Pete and you are being that over this. Perhaps you’re blinded to it by some invisible force because he’s threatening something you love and we all find it difficult to be fair, sensible and reasonable in such circumstances.

Circa November 2015.

So he did get banned for that comment, did he? I missed it.
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November 15, 2013 5:17pm
Colville

Manolo.
Good.
We need someone to balance out the Master Baiter 🙂
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November 15, 2013 5:20pm
nasska

Colville

He copped two weeks from the 8th Nov.
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November 15, 2013 5:23pm
Manolo

P.G. will commit seppuku, harakiri, the day the infamous fantasist whore Dunne bows out of politics.

His idol and mentor must stay drawing a minister’s salary and sucking off the taxpayer teat as long as he can. No matter what.
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November 15, 2013 5:25pm
Colville

Tom Jackson.
Dickhead.
4,500,000 players worldwide and growing quite fast.
Yeah as a country we dont suit soccer and play something that we do suit. So?
Compare rugby to say basketball, played by fuck all people at club level but it is probably considered a international sport.
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November 15, 2013 5:25pm
Than

iMP – There is no need to study Colin Craig’s history for ridiculous statements. It is a virtual certainty he will make more in future, especially if he was under the pressure and scrutiny of an election campaign. His worldview is simply so different from most New Zealander’s that he doesn’t even realize he’s offending people until it gets pointed out.

Take the question on evolution/creationism Pete George quoted above. Assuming the quote is accurate, he’s genuinely claiming that Creationism is “the predominant world view”. Seriously? Maybe in the Middle-East and the more rural parts of the US, but in NZ? Over half of Kiwi’s don’t even self-identify as Christian, and most of those who do are not particularly devout. The number of Kiwi’s who believe in Creationism would be an insignificant minority.

It gets worse since he goes on to suggest Creationism should be taught in schools. Which is a good example of why the Conservative denials they are a Christian party ring so hollow.
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November 15, 2013 5:31pm
Reid

Meanwhile, it’s quite clear Obama while he may profess it doesn’t believe in Christianity, but he clearly believes in something. Guess what it is.

http://www.whale.to/c/seat.html
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November 15, 2013 6:20pm
Steve (North Shore)

Kevin,
11. Must be able to tell lies with a straight face.
12. Must be able to control all other Councilors opinions
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November 15, 2013 6:30pm
Steve (North Shore)

Stop picking on Redblatter. It is not his fault that he feels the need to insult everyone who does not think like he does
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November 15, 2013 6:32pm
Lucia Maria

Reid,

I can’t read that article on what Obama believes (it’s too annoying). Could you summarise?
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November 15, 2013 7:05pm
bereal

Jeez, Tua may be in with a punchers chance after all.

http://tvnz.co.nz/othersports-news/david-tua-s-remarkable-transformation-complete-5711124

Of course his only chance is to knock Ustinov out and thats a big call esp if you consider his bout
against Lennox Lewis. If it goes the distance Tuas head will end up looking like a mangled cauliflower.
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November 15, 2013 7:09pm
cha

As for taking the word of Munich Re. Seriously

Yeah, the nerve – forecasting exposure using assembled data.
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November 15, 2013 7:29pm
nasska

For those new to the game. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/lbkauwqiwx2q0z1/simplified-blogging.jpg
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November 15, 2013 7:46pm
Redbaiter

You and your stupid infantile pictures.

Like a smug little child.
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November 15, 2013 7:52pm
nasska

I try & find something you’ll like Baity. 🙂
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November 15, 2013 7:54pm
Johnboy

I just luv your sheepie photo’s nasska! 🙂
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November 15, 2013 7:56pm
nasska

The latest in farming mags. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s05u9ndqq9jii2f/Sheep_shaggers_online_weekly.jpg
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November 15, 2013 8:01pm
Redbaiter

Kommieblog GD, where you’ll never in your life see so many weak arsed commie bludgers pretending to be right wingers.

Take Watermelon vote Narsekisser for a prime example. Seen above praising National’s economic management even though he’s not voting for them. So intolerant of the human right to religion he’s voting for the commies, so that shows you how much he really gives a fuck about economic management.

Not that National are any thing but a bunch of commies anyway. Full of intolerant hate driven Progs like Vaseline boy, they’re also just as economically fucked up as any far left party.

Since the end of last year National have increased the public service payroll by more than 400.

This while Government debt has reached $60 billion, having climbed $27 million a day since John Key became PM.

National has a budget of $70 billion that it takes from a private sector of far less than 2 million workers.

Davaseline boy and Narsekissa don’t give a fuck if future generations are forced to pay for a lifestyle that’s unsustainable. They like to ponce about declaring themselves supporters of right wing govt, but really they’re the same old envy drive socialists, as shown by Narsekissa’s remark above criticising Colin Craig for being rich.

Treasury forecasts, which were last updated around May’s Budget, show debt increasing every year until at least 2017, which is as far as its forecasts run.

And people come on here and call themselves right wingers and say they support a right wing government.

Just such rank nonsense.

Just a bunch of brain fucked commies too stupid to know what they really are.
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November 15, 2013 8:03pm
Johnboy

Thank Christ I’ve been nice to Red. I checked the above twice to make sure I wasn’t mentioned! 🙂
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November 15, 2013 8:05pm
Redbaiter

“I try & find something you’ll like Baity. ”

Believe this dumbarse, I have never had the slightest curiosity arising from your childish habit of linking to pics, and have never once clicked on any of those links.

You think you’re so funny, but you’re really just a boring creepy little smug POS.
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November 15, 2013 8:08pm
nasska

So you think that some retard who’s not sure if he believes in creationism (this thread 4.24pm) & won’t answer questions about the private ownership of land (this thread 4.22pm) is the answer Baity? 🙂
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November 15, 2013 8:12pm
Johnboy

In view of the Liars party vow to cancel the Kapiti expressway and the sheer joke that was Julie Ann Genter talking to Tim Fookes last week about Transmission Gully I have the following to report. My sister broke her wrist three weeks ago and cant drive for another two till the brace comes off. She lives in Waikanae and normally pops down to PPM to do business in her little car..all of a 10min trip. Since she can’t drive she walked for 25 min to the Waikanae station, took the train (5 min) to PPM. Walked to Coastlands (10 min). After doing whatever she reversed the journey (40min + waiting at the station time).

Net result 80 min plus wasted instead of 20 min.

And really stupid New Zealanders are thinking of putting Silent/Melon in command next year….FUCKWITS!! 🙂
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