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November 14, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Ryan Sproull

So you’re going to vote for the Conservative Party then.

Good for you. I’m pleased you’ve come to your senses.

So… you can’t give me an example of the thing you accused me of?

They’re far from perfect, but really just the start of driving the prog cultural totalitarians back into the swamps and caves they crawled out of.

And you’d never catch them on a skateboard.

I disagree with many of the Conservative Party’s policies. Not because they’re Christian, but because I believe they’re wrong. You can tell the difference between that and “whining about Christians”, right? If you can’t, the next part’s going to really confuse you.

I disagree with Tanczos on his genuinely bizarre religion. But I agree with a lot of his policies. Mindblowing, right?
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November 14, 2013 8:40pm
Redbaiter

“You figure if you use the ‘fans’ tactic, people will stop criticising and back off.”

Couldn’t live without it Jude.

I’ve grown so used to a life of fame now I just don’t think I could go on without you.

Please don’t tell me you don’t badly need me.

I’d just die if that was true.
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November 14, 2013 8:44pm
Judith

@ Redbaiter (6,370) Says:
November 14th, 2013 at 8:44 pm

Of course I need you. You remind me about everything that is good in the world, by demonstrating what is wrong with it.

And DPF needs you – your rambling raises the sites statistics.

And Nasska needs you – because everyone should have something to laugh at every day.

And all the others need you, because contrast is good – irrationality highlights their rational minds.

We all need you Red.
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November 14, 2013 8:50pm
Redbaiter

Thanks Jude, your honesty and reassurance is so heart warming.

I’m forever in your debt.
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November 14, 2013 8:52pm
Redbaiter

To all the punters who came here (as I did) for a good political argument, please accept my apologies for this intrusion by my groupies, but if I don’t talk to them they’ll be so upset.

I know you will understand.
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November 14, 2013 8:56pm
Redbaiter

“So… you can’t give me an example of the thing you accused me of?”

Every post sounded pretty whiney to me.
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November 14, 2013 8:58pm
Judith

Oh Red, still trying to shut everyone up so you can dominate.

Anyone that has raised a two year old will recognise the game. Sad mate, really sad.

You’re hoping that no one will post now, so you can’t target them with your ‘fan’ accusation.

As I’ve said before, I don’t get intimidated, even by two year olds, and some of them can be pretty scary.
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November 14, 2013 8:59pm
Ryan Sproull

Every post sounded pretty whiney to me.

Well, that wasn’t my intention, and your posts seem pretty whiney to me too.

Let’s try to find something we have in common. Do you cook? Garden? You seem to have an appreciation for photography, but that’s a bit outside of my skill set. Fan of scotch? Home brewing? Favourite novelists?
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November 14, 2013 9:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

Ah now I’ve got it, Redblatter is Kevin Rudd.

When will he retire?
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November 14, 2013 9:04pm
Redbaiter

“As I’ve said before, I don’t get intimidated,”

No. I’d say a few wines and you’d be the kind who likes to be on top for sure.

Sorry Jude, best I can offer you is a place in the line.
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November 14, 2013 9:09pm
Redbaiter

“Ah now I’ve got it, Redblatter is Kevin Rudd.”

It just never stops.

All these groupies demanding my attention.

Fame can be such a burden some times.
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November 14, 2013 9:11pm
Redbaiter

“Favourite novelists?”

Never read fiction. Use audio books mostly. Like fast cars. (convertibles, Porche & Mustang) Big trucks. (F250 5 litre V8) Music. Anything loud and rock bluesy but no pop shit.`Have a stereo with two 600 watt amps and 1000 watt speakers 2 metres high. A 84 inch LED TV to watch FOX news on. Fishing. 40 ft power boat. Gamble on the share market. Travel a lot, but that’s my work.

How about you?
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November 14, 2013 9:16pm
Ryan Sproull

Never read fiction. Use audio books mostly. Like fast cars. (convertibles, Porche & Mustang) Big trucks. (F250 5 litre V8) Music. Anything loud and rock bluesy but no pop shit.`Have a stereo with two 600 watt amps and 1000 watt speakers 2 metres high. A 84 inch LED TV to watch FOX news on. Fishing. 40 ft power boat. Gamble on the share market. Travel a lot, but that’s my work.

How about you?

Hmm. I’m not big on cars or trucks. Audio books… I’ve been getting into some podcasts. “Stuff You Should Know” is a good listen on my way to work.

Name a few bands you don’t hate. Have you heard… and I can’t believe I’m asking this, in context… of The Tea Party? They’ve got a fairly bluesy rock track called Sun Going Down you might like.

Sharemarket I’m looking at getting into. Have been reading Dave Ramsey.

I also travel for work a bit. What kind of work do you do?
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November 14, 2013 9:23pm
Than

To all the punters who came here (as I did) for a good political argument, please accept my apologies for this intrusion by my groupies, but if I don’t talk to them they’ll be so upset.

No apology needed. I knew in advance that your presence made good political argument less likely.
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November 14, 2013 9:33pm
Redbaiter

“Name a few bands you don’t hate.”

Jeez, well I’m hard to please. Like a lot of Knoppler Dire Straits stuff. Liked JJ Cale. George Thoroughgood. West Texas Country. Emmy Lou Harris. Mickey Gillie. Used to like Bonnie Raitt until I discovered she’s a fucking greenie. Chris Issak. Fleetwood Mac. Madeline Peyroux. Susan Tedeschi. BB King. ZZ Top. Joe Bonnamassa, Beth Hart. I get one song and can’t stop playing it for months. Right now its Paolo Nuitini and Candy. Before that it was Margaret Lewis & Reconsider Me.

Share market is thrilling. I work out a lot too.
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November 14, 2013 9:39pm
Redbaiter

“I knew in advance that your presence made good political argument less likely.”

Yeah I know, once I turn up they all want to talk about me.

Just don’t like disappointing them.

They love me you know.
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November 14, 2013 9:40pm
nasska

Get off it Baity….you’re trying to put one across your groupies.

You’re semi literate & drive a Skoda with a Great Wall for a truck. You listen to Justin Bieber on a transistor radio, own a 14″ TV to watch Shortland Street, fish off the end of the Tauranga wharf, buy a weekly Lotto ticket & catch the bus to work.

Honesty is the best policy…..the www will always find you out. 🙂
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November 14, 2013 9:42pm
Redbaiter

Its all about image Narsekissa.

If I didn’t give you something to reach for what would it do to your dreams?
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November 14, 2013 9:46pm
Ryan Sproull

Jeez, well I’m hard to please. Like a lot of Knoppler Dire Straits stuff. Liked JJ Cale. George Thoroughgood. West Texas Country. Emmy Lou Harris. Mickey Gillie. Used to like Bonnie Raitt until I discovered she’s a fucking greenie. Chris Issak. Fleetwood Mac. Madeline Peyroux. Susan Tedeschi. BB King. ZZ Top. Joe Bonnamassa, Beth Hart. I get one song and can’t stop playing it for months. Right now its Paolo Nuitini and Candy. Before that it was Margaret Lewis & Reconsider Me.

Okay, so I’ll listen to Reconsider Me. Pick two others to recommend, and I’ll think of another two to recommend to you on top of Sun Going Down by the Tea Party.

Share market is thrilling.

My plan is to find it as unthrilling as possible and not try to move around investments too much. As I understand it, in the long haul, it reaps a good return, and fiddling too much can cause issues. That might not have been your experience, though.

I work out a lot too.

Well, me too, but I have a firm dislike of conversations about working out.
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November 14, 2013 9:47pm
Redbaiter

Hre’s a url for Margaret. Didn’t think I’d find her on Youtube. Its better at about 3000 decibels.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-vVPwN75Xw
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November 14, 2013 9:55pm
Ryan Sproull

Okay, listened to Margaret Lewis singing Reconsider Me. I liked it, didn’t love it, but it’s inspired me to listen to Tammy Wynette with the KLF singing Justified and Ancient.
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November 14, 2013 9:56pm
Ryan Sproull

I listened to it on http://www.grooveshark.com, but will watch the music video when I’m done Wynetting out over here.
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November 14, 2013 9:58pm
Redbaiter

Heres a ref for Paolo.

Saw him singing this at a concert in Europe and it was just so nice.

(Didn’t mean to put the video up in previous post.)

We’ve got something in common. we both hate talking about body building. So vain.

(If you heard Margaret the video offers nothing else)
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November 14, 2013 9:59pm
Ryan Sproull

Okay. Your turn. Sun Going Down: http://grooveshark.com/#!/s/Sun+Going+Down/4z6L7X?src=5
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November 14, 2013 10:03pm
Redbaiter

Unless you’re thinking long term, you have to know who you’re dealing with in the market.

I work AIM on the London Stock Exchange.

Even then you can get done.

I just lost a fucking fortune on a deal I thought for sure was a good thing. Six months ago and I still cry when I think of it.
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November 14, 2013 10:03pm
Ryan Sproull

It’s very crossroadsy.
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November 14, 2013 10:04pm
Ryan Sproull

Back soon. Cooking getting tricky.
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November 14, 2013 10:08pm
Redbaiter

That’s pretty cool. I like it. Maybe a bit intense for my simple tastes but its good.

(I’m more kind of Taj Mahal and Statesboro Blues)
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November 14, 2013 10:10pm
Redbaiter

“Back soon. Cooking getting tricky.”

That’s OK. Gotta do a few things myself.

Man, I bet the fan base is drooling.

Thanks anyway for the friendly conversation.
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November 14, 2013 10:11pm
RF

Down in Christchurch for show week and heard cunliffe being interviewed by News Talk ZB. What a greasy prick. Lowers voice to sound concerned about poor Pike River Next of kin and How John Key was evil. That idiot is a first class wanker who runs with the hares and hunts with the hounds. So false.
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November 14, 2013 10:13pm
Ryan Sproull

That’s OK. Gotta do a few things myself.

Man, I bet the fan base is drooling.

Thanks anyway for the friendly conversation.

You’re welcome, and my pleasure. Let’s swap another two tracks tomorrow.
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November 14, 2013 10:17pm
Dean Papa

Why is it that so many men are in denial of rape culture? I applaud P.G’s courage and determination to bring this issue in to the light here on KB, when so many of our fellow men want to sweep it under the carpet. With this in mind, P.G and I have recorded this duo, as a tribute to all of the lovely ladies out there. Feel free to sing along.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wO8ZqvBTZ5s
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November 14, 2013 10:21pm
wreck1080

Neighbours have started up with the fireworks again (10.30pm).

If the last weekend and last year are anything to go by, we have to suffer thursday through sunday night, each week for the next 5 or 6 months.

Really, they need to change the law to restrict fireworks outside set days.
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November 14, 2013 10:37pm
Dean Papa

The Hillary body count is just an old joke rehashed..

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/bodycount.asp
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November 14, 2013 10:49pm
Scott Chris

Bloody hell I think Ryan’s turned into Johnboy Walton.

Night Mom, Night Dad, Night Mary Ellen Night Johnboy. And lets swap 2 tracks tomorrow.

Night Everybody!
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November 14, 2013 11:13pm
Ryan Sproull

I’ve never seen the Waltons, so I had to look up the character description.

Thanks, Scott Chris. A lot of similarities. First member of my family to get a degree. “Serious thinker and avid reader with a passion to become a writer.”

“Normally a calm, quiet sort, John-Boy occasionally displays a touch of his father’s fiery temper, and can become very defensive and indignant when the situation warrants.”

Accurate. Cheers. Goodnight to you too.
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November 14, 2013 11:57pm
Viking2

why the price of oil is goin down.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11157364
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November 15, 2013 6:54am
Viking2

Oh dear. How sad. Our favourite blogger is on the threatened list. 😆

Kea joins list of threatened

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11157277

Pete, fancy attacking a threatened species.
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November 15, 2013 6:58am
Viking2

So somebody says what the rest of us south of the Bombay hills took for granted as thereality.

TVNZ defends executive after cracks at Auckland hit a nerve

By Steve Deane
5:30 AM Friday Nov 15, 2013

A senior TVNZ executive has labelled Auckland a “s*** hole” while joking about the city’s large Polynesian population.

TVNZ’s general manager of commissioning, production and acquisitions, Andrew Shaw, told a 1000-strong audience at the network’s 2014 programming launch at Viaduct Events Centre on Wednesday night that Wellington and Christchurch didn’t get “enough love really, do they … or taxes, or roads – or Polynesians”.

TV blogger Regan Cunliffe posted a transcript of the speech on his website saying: “I don’t think it’s a good look.

😆 😆

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11157404
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November 15, 2013 7:03am
Pete George

The Kiwiblog Kamikaze Kea is it’s own biggest threat, but if it stops shitting in DPF’s nest it might survive.
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November 15, 2013 7:15am
big bruv

PG

So why did your leader not support Jami-Lee Ross’s bill yesterday?

And given that he did not support it what right does he think he has to the seat that the Nat’s gift him time and time again?
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November 15, 2013 7:19am
Pete George

Whale Oil also didn’t think Hey Hey it’s Andy… the Racist was a good look.

And he polled on it: UPDATED: Andy Shaw Audio: “Auckland Shithole… Polynesians” [POLL]. Currently 61% Rascist, 31% No.
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November 15, 2013 7:21am
Pete George

bb – I’ve just posted on that on the Little Nazi thread but I’ll repeat some of it here.

To the dopey Dunne bashers, I have no idea why he voted against it, but I can guess.

The defeat was not unexpected as a number of National ministers and employer groups have expressed disquiet about the bill being a step too far.

So his vote seems sensible to me. Coincidentally he may have done National a favour.

Moanolo’s cut and paste ” the perennial whore Dunne repositioning himself” is clearly wrong, especially when you look at what else was voted on and how he voted – Members’ Bills Shot Down.

Dunne also voted against Winston Peters’ Reserve Bank Amendment Bill presumably because it’s a dumb bill.

And he indicated (in the news) he will vote against Harawira’s Breakfast and Lunch Programmes in Schools Bill because he thinks it is “fundamentally flawed for a number of reason” and he thinks the current Government approach is cheaper and “a far more comprehensive and feasible approach”.

Perpetual Dunne bashers don’t bother to find out for themselves, they ask me to do it for them. It’s not difficult if you want actual facts to back your comments with. On the other hand facts prove them to be nothing more than pissy dissers so that probably explains it.
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November 15, 2013 7:24am
big bruv

PG

Jesus wept!….”dopey Dunne bashers”?………..And you wonder you cop so much abuse on this blog.

Your arrogance is outstanding, matched only by Redbaiters. What on earth gives you the idea that the 99.02% of people in NZ are wrong about the political whore Dunne and you are right?

Dunne is in it for himself, always has been. What you and the other 0.08 of idiots who support him forget is that Dunne is only there because the Nat’s let him, Dunne has no right to vote against the government, none at all.
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November 15, 2013 7:30am
Pete George

The vapid vitriol of Dunne Bashers is as uninformed and fascist-like as Andrew Little.

And big bruv illustrates what I said – why let facts or the actual topic get in the way of a raving redbaiteresque rant.

Practising the Kiwiblog motto is easy. DPF should start direct marketing Kiwiblog Screen Wipes.
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November 15, 2013 7:35am
Pete George

Dunne has no right to vote against the government, none at all.

Hilarious. If he votes with National he’s called a poodle, if he votes against he’s a traitor. And if he didn’t vote he’d be abused for sitting on the fence.

And here if I say something about him I’m abused. And if I don’t say anything about him I’m abused (as per the Little thread yesterday and many others).

And you wonder you cop so much abuse on this blog.

Ah, no I don’t. You just have to look at those who do the abusing. Them without mirrors.

Dunne got enough votes in Ohariu to have a right to vote however he sees fit in Parliament. Unlike a few SpitLittles on Kiwiblog – the perpetually impotent.

Lighten up big bruv – it’s Friday. Only one and a half sleeps until you can watch the might All Blacks at Twickenham – set your alarm clock five minutes early so you don’t miss the haka and dirge/anthem.
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November 15, 2013 7:44am
Longknives

Pete- Funnily I heard one of your beloved All Black ‘heroes’ on the radio this morning banging on that “England have been talking themselves up” and that as such they need taken down.
I guess the concept of irony is lost on moronic rugby heads? (to be fair the guy did sound mildly retarded)

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/9394221/Most-dominant-team-in-the-history-of-world
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November 15, 2013 8:00am
big bruv

PG

“Dunne got enough votes in Ohariu to have a right to vote however he sees fit in Parliament”

Bollocks!….If you really think that the political whore got those votes of his own back then you are deluded. Everybody (apart from you and the other 0.07% of the population) knows that the people of Ohariu held their nose and voted for the political whore because John Key told them to do so.

I repeat, Dunne has no right at all to vote against the government.
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November 15, 2013 8:33am
Pete George

I repeat, that’s real world of politics bollocks.

It looks like you’re making numbers up again, what is 0.07% about, apart from being much more than the percent of the population that you speak for?

The people of Ohariu made up their own minds who to vote for. And what they ended up achieving was saving National from having to rely totally on the Maori Party for a majority – I presume that’s what big bruv must have preferred if he’s going ape over Dunne getting in.
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November 15, 2013 8:45am
RF

Really pissed off with the half truths originating from the Pike River mine disaster. Unfortunately it appears that miners contributed in Part to the explosion as there was evidence of high readings prior to this and someone had taped over sensors on equipment that gave off warnings. This information comes from a number of reliable sources close to the coal face. There have been millions paid out so far. Just how much do they want.
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