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graham

Dear diary:

“So I was driving along with my partner, and we were continuing on with a discussion we had started earlier. Jane had her point of view, and I had mine. Well, this turned into one hell of an argument, with Jane sticking to her guns and refusing to see my side. The stupid cow just refused to understand what I was talking about, and finally I had enough. I slammed on the brakes, pulled over, and told her to get the f**k out of the car and walk the rest of the way. It took a few seconds for it to sink in, then she started blubbing. “But it’s raining – my clothes will be ruined – it’s a 90 minute walk.” Well boo f**king hoo, you should’ve thought of that before you started arguing – get out. Finally she got the idea that I was serious, and clambered out, sobbing loudly. It was pelting down by now, and I felt a bit sorry for her – but as I drove away, I thought, sometimes you have to be tough to teach them a lesson.”

By now you’re probably thinking, what a PRICK. You don’t make your missus get out of the car and walk for 90 minutes in the rain because of an argument, you bloody macho male chauvanist pig. Well I’ll confess, although that story is true, I changed the details slightly. Here’s the REAL story:

http://www.radiolive.co.nz/Open-letter-from-Andrew-Fagan/tabid/878/articleID/38905/Default.aspx

The couple in question were Andrew Fagan and Karyn Hay. The only difference is, SHE made HIM get out of the car and walk.

So, are you still thinking what a PRICK she is? Or is this somehow different, because she’s a woman? It seems that it is, because I sure haven’t seen any comments complaining about what Karyn did, but if HE had kicked HER out of the car there’d be calls for his head on a platter. So if there is this acceptance that it’s different and that’s okay, men just have to accept it, is this an example of the “male-bashing culture” or the “anti-male agenda” that exists in New Zealand? Or am I going to be called a misogynist (which seems to be THE trendy word at the moment) for daring to point out this inequality?
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November 12, 2013 8:01am
Dennis Horne

There was a wee wuss called Pete
Who had a big mouth full of feet
Thus everybody knows
He’s not on his toes
So in arguments he is mostly beat.
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November 12, 2013 8:04am
dishy

It is, perhaps, a tribute to John Key that the 72,000 people who have petitioned him to “find justice” (whatever that means) for the Roast Busters’ victims evidently think him sufficiently omnipotent to do so. On the downside, these same people are probably the sort that blame him when anything goes wrong in this country.
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November 12, 2013 8:04am
Manolo

Trendy advice: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/11/james-carville-president-obama-poll-numbers-99658.html
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November 12, 2013 8:06am
flipper

dishy (167) Says:
November 12th, 2013 at 8:04 am
It is, perhaps, a tribute to John Key that the 72,000

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The petition is gratuitous. The whole exercise seems vigilante based.

If the arrogant pricks are guilty, they deserve justice, as do their victims deserve justice of a sympathetic and supportive nature.

Vigilante actions contribute nothing …other than to suggest a MS media driven sick, society.
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November 12, 2013 8:11am
stigie

Will Whale expose something more on Len Brown today ?
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November 12, 2013 8:11am
jcuk

A young woman’s car breaks down so she goes to a house seeking help …she gets shot!
Guess which country and the colour of her skin …..
Thank goodness I live is a country with sensible gun control.
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November 12, 2013 8:12am
kowtow

Misogyny trendy?

Too right.

An absolutely useless female prime minister tried it on to keep power in Australia.
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November 12, 2013 8:15am
kowtow

A young man’s car breaks down but the the locals don’t help.In fact they kill him,rape and kill the female passenger and then steal the car.

Guess what colour the skin of the offenders is.
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November 12, 2013 8:19am
iMP

The letter from Labour Party HQ in Wellington from the office of ‘neutral’ Christchurch Mayor-elect Lianne Dalziel endorsing one party’s candidate in the by-election.

Nick Smith resigned for less than this.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/dalziels-lab-hq-by-election-letter-explodes-myth-of-neutral-mayor/
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November 12, 2013 8:21am
Longknives

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/11/10/edwin-charles-tobergta-sex-inflatable-pumpkin_n_4250800.html

And even this guy takes more responsibility for his perverted actions than Len Brown (The Masturbating Mayor…)
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November 12, 2013 8:22am
Longknives

The Mockers were a great band!
Couldn’t stand Karyn Hay on Radio with Pictures…
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November 12, 2013 8:24am
peterwn

In the light of Roast Busters, It makes one wonder what is the latest situation with Hunters Corner. Claims were made a while back that police were ignoring prostitution crimes there, especially involving girls under 16. The organisers and clients potentially face very serious charges in such cases and surely it should have been a top priority police matter at the time. If the girls are 16 – 18, it is not quite so serious but needs a good look at. Either the police successfully nipped that one or perhaps it is still festering away. If the latter, this should be thrown into the investigation pot too, along with Roast Busters.
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November 12, 2013 8:25am
thedavincimode

Jesus’ love burns bright in the phoney Christian this morn.
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November 12, 2013 8:26am
thedavincimode

If the girls are 16 – 18, it is not quite so serious but needs a good look at.

Not sure the shopkeepers and other locals would agree with that given what I’ve read peter. I think they just want it gone and rightly so.
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November 12, 2013 8:28am
Tauhei Notts

No, I am not betting on The Cup at Addington today.
I am betting $20 that there will not be a post on General Debate today as good as Graham’s comment at 8.01 a.m.
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November 12, 2013 8:28am
Dennis Horne

Took the wife shopping at Harrod’s. Special occasion. I said, “Choose whatever you want.”

The hours went. I twiddled my toes; she amassed a huge pile at the counter.

Then I said, “No, I’ve changed my mind. You’ve had all the pleasure of anticipation and caressing these fine furs and clothes, but I’m sorry, I’ve changed my mind, and as you know, no means no. No hard feelings, eh, I love you, you know that.”
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November 12, 2013 8:30am
Harriet

“…..Jesus’ love burns bright in the phoney Christian this morn….”

The idea is to argue on KB

….and to do our practical charitable duties elsewhere……hospices….Salvation Army…..hospitals…..schools…..Barnardos..

But thanks for thinking of us.
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November 12, 2013 8:33am
big bruv

Has Len Brown resigned yet?
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November 12, 2013 8:37am
All_on_Red

We want a bye Election in Auckland. If Brown thinks it’s ok to spend $3.73 mio on a “living wage” and that debt is ok then $2 mio for a bye Election is nothing.
He lost his mandate when he started giving jobs for sex and if Brown thinks he still has the support of Auckland then he should put it to the test by standing again.
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November 12, 2013 8:41am
Longknives

Tauhei- Not even a cheeky $20 on Highview Tommy to place?
Christen Me just wins…
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November 12, 2013 8:46am
OneTrack

Did Ken mention the reverends wage when he was campaigning. If not., why not. Was he distracted?
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November 12, 2013 8:48am
dime

“Couldn’t stand Karyn Hay on Radio with Pictures…”

Ditto. I cant stand her face. Her voice. Her personality.
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November 12, 2013 8:48am
kowtow

ODT has declared itself a warmist paper in today’s editorial.They’ve gone so far as to say Al Gore knows more about Oz bush fires than Tony Abbott.

They’re speculating the latest typhoon to hit the PIs is a climate change issue and note the Phillipine Islands know all about such storms.

If they’re such experts why build shanty towns in the path of known and annual destructive weather systems?

http://www.odt.co.nz/opinion/editorial/280877/disasters-and-climate-change
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November 12, 2013 8:49am
Dennis Horne

There was a crybaby called Georgie
Who was unable an argument to forge
Terribly upset by Kea
He did a King Lear
And joined in a bloody great orgy.
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November 12, 2013 8:51am
flipper

Oh dear….
Red Len has been in Hong Kong (when 3 LGOIM requests give three different answers and the spinners are covering up ) with a person unknown….. and the Whale seems to have harpooned him!
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November 12, 2013 8:52am
Bovver

Breaking news, some MP’s are successful and own property, way to go Herald

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11155241
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November 12, 2013 8:52am
kowtow

Dennis Horne

I’m no fan of Pete G’s ,but to imply someone is a pedophile,as kea did, is not an “argument”.

The tenor of GD has improved these last couple of days……I wonder why? Could it be there’s one less troll here?
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November 12, 2013 8:55am
Ross12

What an arrogant prick David Parker is, with his comment that surplus “is about time “.
Is this prediction meant to try say that Bill English’s comment yesterday of no money for election give aways , is showing how mean the Government is and Labour will be in the position to spend the predicted $1 bill before they even get into Govt. with heeps of election bribes.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/19785234/labour-picking-bigger-surplus-than-forecast/
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November 12, 2013 9:01am
Dave Mann

Let’s spare a thought – and maybe a few $s – for the poor people in the central Philippines. Looking at the photos and reading the reports, my heart goes out to them.

I’m pleased that our government has pledged aid (I think its $2.15 million) and in addition to this, private donations are reported to be flooding in via the NZ Red Cross and other organisations.

Poor bastards. It must be hell there right now.
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November 12, 2013 9:03am
Dennis Horne

@kowtow. In the comment I saw Kea did not imply or insinuate George was anything of the sort. And I don’t believe Kea thinks so for one minute either.

Lot of people putting 2 and 2 together and getting 22.

Kea argues logically, which is more than can be said for many on his site. Troll my arse.
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November 12, 2013 9:03am
Chuck Bird

“I’m no fan of Pete G’s ,but to imply someone is a pedophile,as kea did, is not an “argument”.”

Where was that done please?
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November 12, 2013 9:04am
kowtow

“Kea argues logically”

He/she does nothing of the sort.

He makes bald assertions re Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular.In so doing he has obviously garnered a fan club of like minded bigots.

They are the people who now seek “justice” for kea and revile Pete George as a “nark”.Oh dear how childish ,and all that for a troll.
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November 12, 2013 9:12am
kowtow

where was that done please?

chuckey are you taking the piss?
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November 12, 2013 9:13am
Chuck Bird

No, I do not read every post. Have you got a link?
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November 12, 2013 9:15am
Dennis Horne

@Chuck. Read this, I can’t find the comment, if indeed I saw it.
http://yournz.org/2013/11/09/kea-on-kiwiblog-rape-culture-and-abuse/
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November 12, 2013 9:17am
nasska

Chuck:

Kea (8,949) Says:
November 8th, 2013 at 2:49 pm

Judith & PG, sorry but the lies of anti male hate groups do not count as evidence or fact.

What does PG, Graham Capill, and every rapist and kiddy fiddler have in common ? : They would all very strongly oppose rape if you asked them.

PG is totally full of shit and is not being honest about his motivation for this crusade.
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November 12, 2013 9:19am
Dennis Horne

@kowtow. Don’t like your brainwashing being aired, eh?
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November 12, 2013 9:21am
liarbors a joke

another big brave peaceful native who likes to pick on elderly ladies..piece of shit

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9386872/Alleged-attacker-named
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November 12, 2013 9:21am
Longknives

liarbors- ‘Colonialism’ is clearly to blame….We should all feel the guilt.
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November 12, 2013 9:22am
kowtow

chuck

sorry ’bout that,but this was fairly thrashed about yesterday evening by the “Justice for Kea ” fan group.

I expect they’ll be hiring Jo Karam next.
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November 12, 2013 9:23am
bhudson

@graham,

What I did notice is that Andrew Fagan spent an awful amount of time in his so-called apology trying to point out all of the reasons why it wasn’t really his fault that he acted the way that he did.
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November 12, 2013 9:24am
nasska

Whale is giving Lying Len a good serve today in three parts….9am, 9.30am & 10.30am.

Since he’ll be saving the best for last 10.30am should see Len skewered.
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November 12, 2013 9:25am
kowtow

“Dennis Horne (1,918) Says:
November 12th, 2013 at 9:21 am
@kowtow. Don’t like your brainwashing being aired, eh?

Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 2”

I rest my case.
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November 12, 2013 9:25am
nickb

How on earth do the dumbfucks of NZ think a capital gains tax will reduce house prices??!!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9389195/Support-grows-for-capital-gains-tax

More green eyed envy whipped up by NZ’s low paid journalists for consumption by NZ’s equally envious middle class
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November 12, 2013 9:28am
Chuck Bird

Thanks for the link and quote guys. I am off for the day. Will look more later.
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November 12, 2013 9:28am
Dennis Horne

What does PG, Dennis Horne, Chuck Bird and every rapist and kiddy fiddler have in common? They would all very strongly oppose rape if you asked them.

Nothing logically or grammatically enables one to deduce any one of those mentioned is a rapist or a paedophile.
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November 12, 2013 9:28am
peterwn

thedavincimode – While Hunters Corner businesses may want all local prostitution wiped out, if the women are over 18 there are no offences committed (except possibly against town planning rules) and it is not a police matter. I am merely indicating that there should be top policing priority on prostitution involving under 16yo girls. In the process there would be some ‘by catch’ involving 16-18yo – this sort of enforcement would solve much of the problem as it would force out the biggest ratbags. This should be ‘easy cop’ work compared with other policing efforts.
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November 12, 2013 9:46am
wikiriwhis business

http://www.examiner.com/article/u-s-goes-after-bric-nations-to-save-the-dollar-hegemony-after-failure-syria#comment-1117997925

The diplomatic battle over what to do in Syria may be on hold for the time being, but the core conflict in the battle to save the petrodollar is still in play. On Sept. 13, a former head trader at the Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS) provided new insight to the recent pull down of precious metals and the sudden currency crisis taking place in the nation of India. In his update, the man known as the Guerrilla Economist believes that when the U.S. failed to secure domination over events in the Syrian civil war, they and their Western partners began an all out economic attack on the BRIC nations, and their plans to replace the dollar with a new reserve currency.
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November 12, 2013 9:46am
mandk

@ nickb
The most likely effect of a cgt is that it will spawn the development of an avoidance industry.
So in the end it will raise very little anyway.
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November 12, 2013 9:49am
graham

bhudson at 9:24 am – That’s not how I read it, to be honest, I saw it more as him trying to give the full background as to what led up to his comments. And if he was trying to excuse himself, I don’t think he would’ve written this at the end:

I completely understand the arguments now behind ‘victim blaming’, and as a co-host on RadioLIVE I will try to address those attitudes that I wittingly (because it came out of my own mouth) appear to have fostered.

But fair call on your part. It’s difficult to discern the true motivation behind written words, far easier when you’re face to face with the person. Maybe I have misread it and misjudged Andrew.
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November 12, 2013 10:06am
Longknives

Phillippines Typhoon, Roast Busters, Elderly people being ‘Home Invaded’, all awful…. Yet Wendyl Nissen bleating on about her sex life in today’s Herald is the most horrific thing I have read for a long time.
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November 12, 2013 10:43am
Fletch

What an arrogant prick David Parker is, with his comment that surplus “is about time “.
Is this prediction meant to try say that Bill English’s comment yesterday of no money for election give aways , is showing how mean the Government is and Labour will be in the position to spend the predicted $1 bill before they even get into Govt. with heeps of election bribes.

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/19785234/labour-picking-bigger-surplus-than-forecast/

Ross yup, this is the same Labour Govt that had, what, 8 billion in surplus while they were in power and refused to give any tax cuts while those across the ditch had several in the same time period. The same Labour Govt that then blew all the money on Cullen’s train set and goodness knows what else just so that the incoming Nats wouldn’t have any money. And Parker has the temerity to say it’s about time?

BTW lest we forget that this is the same David Parker who should have been ousted for making false declarations to the New Zealand Companies Office in his business dealings back in 2005/2006.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0603/S00159/attorney-general-caught-filing-false-declarations.htm

This was, of course, whitewashed by Helen and co.
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November 12, 2013 10:49am
Judith

I read the post that Kea made, within seconds of it being posted, mostly noticing it because my name was mentioned.

My first impression was one of shock – in the context of the conversation at the time, it read very much like he was accusing PG as being a either a rapist/kiddie fiddler or at least a ‘latent rapist’ and rapist supporter.

Now I know Kea does not and did not mean it to come across like that. I do understand what he was trying to do, as well as offer a rebuttal insult (he was being challenged by constant debate), he was also trying to make the point that as is often the case, some people who speak out strongly against something, do so to cover their own insecurities and inner beliefs.

His post followed several others, that appeared to be getting increasingly personal – I enjoy Kea’s sense of humour, and we agree and disagree on many things, but I think in the long run share a mutual respect for each others perspectives. We are both passionate people who reflect that in our narrative. But that particular day I had actually noted my concern to him that he really needed to consider what he was saying, as it was coming across in a manner, that maybe he wasn’t aware of – and that was before he posted the comment being discussed.

I also think that his comment was ‘above necessary’. As parents, uncles, extended family or whatever, of young females, of course the subject of rape is an emotional one – it is always going to bring out the ‘animal instinct of protection’ and when there is someone seemingly being so protective to the ‘rapist’, and offering all sorts of excuses for their actions, of course it is going to meet with opposition.

Kea may not have been aware of how his comments were being perceived, but as an intelligent person he was aware that they were insulting.

Which brings me to another point – the events we were all discussing had a very strong consensus regarding the role of the internet, and what appears on it, and the manner in which its free and easy access can have some very negative impacts on society, particularly young people.

So isn’t it a pertinent point? Should someone be able to imply (either intentionally or not) that a person (whose full identity is exposed) is a criminal, a secret sex offender – to write such on a blog which anyone can read and be influenced by?

There has been so much said about social responsibility, and the role it plays in moderating the kind of behaviour we have been made aware of this past week. Surely, as mature adults, most of whom on this blog I respect for their intelligence, it is up to us to also moderate ourselves, and lead by example? We can still have fun, we can still make our point, and of course heavily disagree, and even fire the odd insult – but Kea’s comment was ‘below the belt’ and in my opinion, he took it too far and into the same realm of the behaviour we’ve been critical of in others.

I hope Kea is reading, and will be back soon, I miss his banter, and I know he is intelligent enough to understand the point being made and that no lines have been drawn, but a common concern for the direction that the discussion was heading.
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November 12, 2013 10:54am
Jack5

Was I hallucinating?

I thought I saw Len Brown on TVNZ news last night. He was in the line-up of blokes supporting the white ribbon campaign against violence on females.

They all chanted out a pledge, and wore the white bow on their lapels. Was it Len Brown? Did anyone-else see this TV news item?

Of course Brown is not associated with violence against females, but you would think he would keep his head down on women’s issues for a while (no pun intended).

On another topic, the Jackson-Tamihere suspension from Radio Live: can the apology of Radio Live’s owner, MediaWorks, have any standing at all while MediaWorks refuses to say whehter Jackson and Tamihere will be on pay during their suspension?

Are they getting a paid holiday after this furore? If so, surely it adds to the validity of the usually scorned suggestion that perhaps the whole Jackson-Tamihere furore is a publicity stunt for RadioLive. (Of course, I don’t for a second suggest that the RoastBusters’ alleged offending was itself associated with any radio stunt).

The latest RadioLive incident, with Fagan and Hay (as outlined in the first post in this thread) and Fagan’s conversation with a woman and her experience as a 14-year-old, adds to RadioLive’s free publicity.
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November 12, 2013 11:13am
Jack5

Re Pete George’s plucking of Kea’s tail feathers: why do most of you assume Kea is a male?
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November 12, 2013 11:15am
Rowan

Yay we finally get a break from GD being filled up with Kea’s religious hate columns. Whatever your take on religion is we don’t need his/her bigotry and self righteous views on atheism.
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November 12, 2013 11:30am
kowtow

jack5

Plucking a kea’s feathers?

Can’t do that , protected species.

Certainly the way some people here are going on!
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November 12, 2013 11:39am
wreck1080

http://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/travel-troubles/9389623/Long-distance-pedaller-grinds-to-a-halt

They must be joking!!!! THis guy needs to get a job and pay for his trip.
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November 12, 2013 12:10pm
thedavincimode

Exactly Rowan.

So what are the chances of compo for DB? Fuck all I reckon – whatdya say?
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November 12, 2013 12:12pm
RRM

he drove into an area of dense bush. There he assaulted the [9 year old] boy, creating a 4-centimetre hole inside his mouth down to the jawbone. The victim ended up on the ground and Krouse put the heel of his shoe on the boy’s neck.

The boy struggled and Krouse pushed down harder until the boy stopped moving and lost consciousness. Krouse told the police later he thought he had killed the boy but then felt a pulse and could hear gurgling as the boy attempted to breathe through the blood in his mouth.

Krouse dragged a log over and covered the boy before driving back to his home, where he washed his clothes and threw out his shoes.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9388202/Man-left-boy-for-dead/

Just shoot it.

I don’t care if this one has a history of mental illness.

I don’t care if it was “insane” at the time.

Take it to the rubbish dump, and shoot it.

I’ll pull the trigger if no-one else wants to.
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November 12, 2013 12:29pm
publicwatchdog

URGENT! ‘Whistle-blower ALERT’ to international ‘anti money-laundering’ bodies: The NZ International Convention Centre Bill effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009

Contact@fatf-gafi.org,
CleanGovBiz@oecd.org,
Mary.Crane-Charef@oecd.org,
Transparency International

12 November 2013

Please be advised that as an ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’ – I am hereby ‘blowing the whistle’ to the following ‘anti money-laundering’ bodies to which New Zealand is affiliated, because the NZ International Convention Centre Bill effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009:

(Tuesday, 12 November 2013

Business before the House

Government orders of the day

Name of bill Stage of Bill

Minister in charge consideration no Times for debate

1 New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill 140–2 12 x 10 m speeches

Hon Steven Joyce Third reading)

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0001973715

_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Asia/Pacific Group on Money Laundering (APG)

The purpose of the Asia/Pacific Group on Money Laundering (APG) is to ensure the adoption, implementation and enforcement of internationally accepted anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing standards as set out in the FATF Forty Recommendations and FATF Eight Special Recommendations. The effort includes assisting countries and territories of the region in enacting laws to deal with the proceeds of crime, mutual legal assistance, confiscation, forfeiture and extradition; providing guidance in setting up systems for reporting and investigating suspicious transactions and helping in the establishment of financial intelligence units. The APG also enables regional factors to be taken into account in the implementation of anti-money laundering measures.

The origins of the APG go back to “awareness raising” activities undertaken by the FATF in the early 1990s as part of its strategy to encourage adoption of money laundering counter-measures throughout the world. In order to achieve more concrete results, Australia agreed to set up a Secretariat for the purpose of obtaining regional commitment and establishing a regional FATF-style body with practical objectives. Subsequently, an agreement was reached in Bangkok in 1997 which created the APG. The first meeting was held in Tokyo in 1998 and then annually thereafter.

Following the events of 11 September 2001, the APG expanded its scope to include the countering of terrorist financing. The APG conducts mutual evaluations of its members and holds a periodic workshop on money laundering methods and trends. Its work mandate has been set out in a document containing specific terms of reference for the group.

The APG is supported by a Secretariat, which serves as the focal point for its activities. The APG became an Associate Member of the FATF in 2006.

For more information, please consult the APG website at http://www.apgml.org.

http://www.apgml.org/contact-us/

APG Members:

Afghanistan
Australia
Bangladesh
Bhutan, Kingdom of
Brunei Darussalam
Cambodia
Canada
China, People’s Republic of
Cook Islands
Fiji
Hong Kong, China
India
Indonesia
Republic of Korea (South Korea)
Japan
Lao People’s Democratic Republic
Macao, China
Malaysia
Maldives
The Marshall Islands
Mongolia
Myanmar
Nauru
Nepal
New Zealand
Niue
Pakistan
Palau
Papua New Guinea
The Philippines
Samoa
Singapore
Solomon Islands
Sri Lanka
Chinese Taipei
Thailand
Timor Leste
Tonga
United States of America
Vanuatu
Vietnam

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FINANCIAL ACTION TASK FORCE ON MONEY LAUNDERING (FATF) – THE INTERNATIONAL STANDARDS SETTER FOR AML/CFT
The first co-operative and global policy response to the threats posed by money laundering was by the G7 group of countries who established the FATF in 1989. Since 1989, the FATF has produced a comprehensive set of international standards against money laundering and terrorist financing. The core documents of the FATF include:

The 2012 revised FATF 40 Recommendations on Money Laundering , Terrorist Financing and Proliferation Financing (“the standards”), which includes interpretative notes;
Methodology for assessing compliance with the standards; and
Best Practice Guidelines for implementation of the standards.

The 2012 FATF standards contain certain core, or essential, recommendations including the requirement to:

Criminalise money laundering, terrorist financing and proliferation financing in accordance with international law;

Freeze terrorist assets and confiscate the proceeds of crime;

Establish a financial intelligence unit to collect, analyse, evaluate and disseminate suspicious transaction reports from financial institutions and other reporting entities;

Supervise those financial institutions and other reporting entities to ensure compliance with customer due diligence and other requirements contained in the standards; and

Ensure that comprehensive and effective mechanisms are in place to cooperate effectively on the international level given the growing international dimension to these crimes.

These standards have been accepted internationally as the global policy benchmark for anti-money laundering, anti-terrorist financing and anti-proliferation financing measures by the United Nations, International Monetary Fund, World Bank, Asian Development Bank and many other international organisations and bodies. The key changes to the FATF standards included in the 2012 revised version are as follows:

Requirement for countries to undertake a national risk assessment;

Measures relating to proliferation financing;

Addition of tax crimes as predicate offences to money laundering;

Measures relating to domestic politically exposed persons;

Requirement for countries to ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.

http://www.fatf-gafi.org/countries/n-r/newzealand/

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(Sent 11 November 2013 at 10.45pm) )

URGENT ‘OPEN’LETTER TO ALL MPS:

The NZ International Convention Centre Bill effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009:

So – please confirm that YOU will NOT vote it.

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According to the ‘Provisional’ Order Paper for the NZ Parliament, the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill is set down for its ‘third reading’ on Tuesday 12 November 2013:

http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0001968117

Tuesday, 12 November 2013
Business before the House

Government orders of the day

Name of bill Stage of Bill

Minister in charge consideration no Times for debate

1 New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill 140–2 12 x 10 m speeches

Hon Steven Joyce Third reading
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The NZ International Convention Centre Bill, effectively covers and facilitates money-laundering, because there has been no ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering, by OFCANZ, (Organised and Financial Crime Agency of NZ) the body tasked with:

“Leading, coordinating or contributing to policy or legislative changes to make it harder for organised criminals to operate. There will be opportunities to do so by, for example, making it harder to launder money, or obtain false identities, or by increasing information sharing. …”

http://www.ofcanz.govt.nz/about-ofcanz

Yet – this OFCANZ OIA reply proves that this purported ‘leading’ agency for fighting money-laundering, did NO ‘due diligence’ on the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the NZ International Convention Centre Bill:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SKY-CITY-OFCANZ-OIA-REPLY-NO-DUE-DLIGENCE-RE-MONEY-LAUNDERING-bright-penny-06-c211711-2-sent-reply.pdf

The NZ International Convention Centre Bill, thus effectively undermines the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2009/0035/latest/DLM2140726.html

3 Purpose

(1)The purposes of this Act are—

(a)to detect and deter money laundering and the financing of terrorism; and

(b)to maintain and enhance New Zealand’s international reputation by adopting, where appropriate in the New Zealand context, recommendations issued by the Financial Action Task Force; and

(c)to contribute to public confidence in the financial system.

(2)Accordingly, this Act facilitates co-operation amongst reporting entities, AML/CFT supervisors, and various government agencies, in particular law enforcement and regulatory agencies.
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There are a series of provisions in the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009, which deal with the need for ‘DUE DILIGENCE’:

Subpart 1—Customer due diligence
10Definitions
11Customer due diligence
12Reliance on risk assessment when establishing level of risk
13Basis for verifying identity
Standard customer due diligence
14Circumstances when standard customer due diligence applies
15Standard customer due diligence: identity requirements
16Standard customer due diligence: verification of identity requirements
17Standard customer due diligence: other requirements
Simplified customer due diligence
18Circumstances when simplified customer due diligence applies
19Simplified customer due diligence: identity requirements
20Simplified customer due diligence: verification of identity requirements
21Simplified customer due diligence: other requirements
Enhanced customer due diligence
22Circumstances when enhanced customer due diligence applies
23Enhanced customer due diligence: identity requirements
24Enhanced customer due diligence: verification of identity requirements
25Enhanced customer due diligence: other requirements
26Politically exposed person
27Wire transfers: identity requirements
28Wire transfers: verification of identity requirements
29Correspondent banking relationships
30New or developing technologies, or products, that might favour anonymity
Ongoing customer due diligence and account monitoring
31Ongoing customer due diligence and account monitoring
Reliance on third parties
32Reliance on member of designated business group
33Reliance on other reporting entities or persons in another country
34Reliance on agents
35Use of information obtained from third party conducting customer due diligence
36Protection of personal information and designated business groups
Prohibitions
37Prohibitions if customer due diligence not conducted
38Prohibition on false customer names and customer anonymity
39Prohibition on establishing or continuing business relationship involving shell bank
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http://www.justice.govt.nz/policy/criminal-justice/aml-cft
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So, how is it that the New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill, can be railroaded through Parliament, without any ‘DUE DILIGENCE’, on the increased risk of money-laundering, which the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financing of Terrorism Act 2009, is supposed to help prevent?
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Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate (polled 4th with 11,723 votes)

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz

2009 Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference Attendee

2010 Transparency International Anti-Corruption Conference Attendee
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November 12, 2013 12:46pm
cha

Obviously Manolo missed that RRM – wonder why.
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November 12, 2013 12:51pm
kowtow

Manolo might be waiting for a verdict.That would be the sensible thing. Sub judice and all that.
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November 12, 2013 12:53pm
iMP

John Key joins the Conservative Party.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/11/12/pm-john-key-right-wrong-on-surging-conservatives/
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November 12, 2013 12:56pm
Judith

I have to wonder why seemingly intelligent people define their ‘sides’ on all subjects entirely on their belief of whether or not David Bain is guilty or innocent.

It seems extremely small minded to me. My belief in his innocence does not decide my stance on other aspects of life and living, or who I side with in discussions on religion or abortion, or what constitutes good nutrition, or a decent political party, or anything else other than the topic of the Bain murders/suicide.

I feel sorry for people who are so narrow-minded that they feel it necessary to ridicule whatever a person has to say on anything, just because on one subject they are on different sides. It’s the sort of thing one might expect in a child’s playground, where the kids with tricycles are ridiculed by those with skateboards.

I note how the weak and small minded like to point out the ‘sides’ by placing their sign post saying “don’t listen to this person – they think something different to you about something else totally unrelated’. It must be quite sad to have your whole belief system defined by one very small part of the bigger picture.
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November 12, 2013 12:56pm
thedavincimode

I know exactly what you mean Judith. I feel the same way myself.
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November 12, 2013 1:17pm
Redbaiter

“I hope Kea is reading, and will be back soon, I miss his banter, and I know he is intelligent enough to understand the point being made”

Jude, when you talk about defining people by their views on a single issue, that’s the kind of delirious drivel that convinces people you haven’t a rational brain cell in your head.
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November 12, 2013 1:32pm
flipper

Police plain clothes get tax free clothing allowance
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Stuff reports….

Tolley said officers would now not be unfairly penalised.

“I have had a number of meetings with the Minister of Revenue [Todd McClay] to put the case for police, and have stressed that police should not have to make extra payments for clothing which is important to their job,” Tolley said.

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Oopps…..

Perhaps PEB (for info purposes only) would like to help clarify…..

But I don’t thin Mr Flatfoot deserves any special consideration on work wear vis a vis the rest of the community.

This, Tolley, is bullshit,.

Next you and the McGillicuddy party woman will be claiming tax free designer clothes.
And do not tell me and taxpayers that there is any difference.
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November 12, 2013 1:39pm
Judith

@ Redbaiter (6,226) Says:
November 12th, 2013 at 1:32 pm

As opposed to your rational discussion which exists entirely of someone being either a prog, a communist or a socialist, or a combination of all, every claim proceeded by the F word?

That would be like me arguing that Global Warming is a serious problem, because David Bain didn’t do it. I may sound delirious to you – a concept which is strangely comforting – however, do you have any ideal of how you sound to others? You can’t even apply the concepts you use in the right context, or with the correct meaning. I’m happy you think I’m delirious – it defines a difference between us – that is great!!
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November 12, 2013 1:47pm
Roflcopter

Barry Soper reported that taxpayer $$$ were used from the Greens’ leader fund to get Jan Logie over to Sri Lanka. That they granted her a visa for “fact finding” to which she basically lied to them about and got booted out of the country.

Now, any use of the leader fund has to be approved by the Speaker of the House, so has it now transpired that she deliberately mislead the Speaker to have the taxpayer $$$ granted?

If so, this is a complete contempt of Parliament.
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November 12, 2013 1:48pm
thedavincimode

I don’t think anyone would ever suggest that DB is responsible for AGW Judith. I’ve certainly seen no such suggestion and it strikes me as being far too nonsensical to be even remotely possible. Or do you know something the rest of us don’t?
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November 12, 2013 1:51pm
thedavincimode

Jude, when you talk about defining people by their views on a single issue, that’s the kind of delirious drivel that convinces people you haven’t a rational brain cell in your head.

A shrewd and insightful observation Redbaiter and one with which I agree wholeheartedly.
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November 12, 2013 1:53pm
Redbaiter

I do enjoy one small thing about your incessant trolling Vaseline boy, and that’s the knowledge that you know you’re losing.

Why else would you project such bitterness and hurt?
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November 12, 2013 1:58pm
Judith

@ thedavincimode (5,500) Says:
November 12th, 2013 at 1:51 pm

I would say I probably know a lot of things the rest of you don’t know, and there are many people that know heaps of things I don’t.

One of the things I do know is when a concept is given in a discussion as an example of something completely ridiculous, not to be stupid enough to isolate it and use it as a point scoring exercise in some imagined contest.
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November 12, 2013 1:59pm
thedavincimode

Oh dear, I tried but it looks like it’s all downhill from here.

But now that we’re back in business baity, allow me to congratulate you on another fabulous own goal at 1.32pm. Fantastic stuff. I just don’t know how you manage to come up with it.
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November 12, 2013 2:05pm
Fletch

Veteran’s Day message (today in the U.S) from George Bush.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBHCVwCXqo4
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November 12, 2013 2:06pm
dime

“What does PG, Graham Capill, and every cat have in common?”

does that make it sound like PG is infact a cat?

kea was trying to be clever, suggest something without actually saying it.. it was a bit rough but ah well.

or you could take it that PG shares a similar mindset as a cat.. (neutered)
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November 12, 2013 2:08pm
Pete George

A shrewd and insightful observation Redbaiter and one with which I agree wholeheartedly.

That’s funny, because it describes you tdm. You were hard at it earlier today.

Why else would you project such bitterness and hurt?

Why indeed.

Edit: even funnier, own goal won goaled.
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November 12, 2013 2:08pm
Redbaiter

“Fantastic stuff. I just don’t know how you manage to come up with it.”

I’m supposed to care about what you think?

You just don’t get it do you Vassy boy. You’re just another sicko prog among a legion of sicko progs. You really should stop writing as if you’re someone important. It betrays such rank vanity.
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November 12, 2013 2:11pm
thedavincimode

No Pete. I write you off on a host of fronts and I’ve explained pretty well all of them by now. Above all else, its because you stand for absolutely nothing because you have no vision beyond what you thinks is fair and equitable.

You are the only person here who doesn’t see that.
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November 12, 2013 2:12pm
Pete George

“You are the only person here who doesn’t see that.”

“You really should stop writing as if you’re someone important. It betrays such rank vanity.”

I wasn’t aware you spoke on behalf of everyone else here. Or thought you did.
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November 12, 2013 2:14pm
dime

“You really should stop writing as if you’re someone important.”

it is hilarious though! he thinks hes part of the game. hes not even the half time oranges guy
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November 12, 2013 2:14pm
thedavincimode

That last sentence was a beauty too reddie. “Cap’n, she’s breaking up …”
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November 12, 2013 2:15pm
thedavincimode

I don’t Pete. But I’m perfectly capable of reading what everyone else here says.
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November 12, 2013 2:17pm
Redbaiter

“hes not even the half time oranges guy”

For the most uninspiring footy team.

Mind you, he’d willingly do that if it meant he could get a peak in the changing rooms.
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November 12, 2013 2:25pm
Pete George

“But I’m perfectly capable of reading what everyone else here says.”

So you either ignore what you don’t want to see or you make things up deliberately. I’m capable of reading what everyone else here says too and it’s not all the same as what you claim – it’s often different, as it was on this morning’s topic.

Red is right. You’re not blog god. You have a bit of a Cunliffe complex.
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November 12, 2013 2:37pm
dime

Grahams comment – best ive seen on here in ages.
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November 12, 2013 2:40pm
Pete George

Whale has upped the ante somewhat.

Impertinent Questions by Cameron Slater

Let’s say you’re looking for a new mayor to run a Super City.

Would you pick a candidate that
– beat and abused his wife?
– was unfaithful to his wife?
– sleeps with subordinates
– has admitted to not being able to be trusted with council money?
– take undisclosed trips in the capacity as a mayor?
– if you know all of this in advance, would you vote for this person?

Don’t worry. All of this is hypothetical.

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/11/impertinent-questions-2/

Today has looked like a carefully laid out plan of attack, with more to come. High stakes.
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November 12, 2013 2:52pm
Scott Chris

I hope Kea is reading, and will be back soon, I miss his banter, and I know he is intelligent enough to understand the point being made

That’s your problem Judith. You see decency in people where there isn’t any, be they [deleted by DPF. Do not use such terms unless there is a conviction] David Bain or that twat Troll Kea.
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November 12, 2013 3:06pm
nickb

Lenny looks like he is in more hot water. Will no shame Len now resign?

If Whale’s first question Pete posted above is proved then even no shame Len must surely step aside?
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November 12, 2013 3:15pm
lilman

BROWN is a disgrace and the longer he remains in office it drags every other council member into the shit.
I see Whale oil is implying Brown beat his first wife it seems?
If this is true it is nothing short of sick,let anyone try to defend that shit.
If it’s not true I would say Cameron Slater is going down,I’ve got my money on Slater after all he’s not that dumb to give Brown an easy target.
Should be interesting.
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November 12, 2013 3:23pm
cha

Veteran’s Day message (today in the U.S) from George Bush.

“Oh, it’s just so damn cheap, so damn typical.” I said, “This used to be a day in honor of the dead of World War One, but the living couldn’t keep their grubby hands off of it, wanted the glory of the dead for themselves. So typical, so typical. Any time anything of real dignity appears in this country, it’s torn to shreds and thrown to the mob.”

Kurt Vonnegut – Mother Night.
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November 12, 2013 3:30pm
Pete George

This isn’t a surprise.

“The fact a New Zealand MP was detained by Sri Lankan authorities and stopped from speaking out on human rights abuses is just the tip of the iceberg of how bad the situation is there,” Green Party Co-leader Russel Norman said.

But…

The detention of a Green MP by Sri Lankan authorities isn’t quite what it seems.

Jan Logie has just returned to the country and has admitted to our Political Editor Barry Soper that she sat in the foyer of her hotel with the authorities and didn’t even ask them whether she was free to leave.

Ms Logie can’t recall whether they told her she couldn’t leave.

“I don’t know if they said those words, and I don’t think we asked specifically but it was very clear that we weren’t to be going anywhere.

“They told us that we had to come with them.”

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/1924373066-detention-of-green-mp-isn-t-quite-what-it-seems

It’s not like the Greens to overstate things in order to seek attention. Nah, yeah.
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November 12, 2013 4:25pm
Left Right and Centre

Listen cunts – this is what an actual internet troll looks like :

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/hooton_vs_willie_and_jt.html#comment-1231283

And if iKea is a troll – what the fuck do you call this shit ? 🙂 🙂

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/11/key_and_english_on_qa.html#comment-1232441
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November 12, 2013 4:25pm
Left Right and Centre

I agree with Rowan – let’s not have any type of debate with any reference to religion whatsoever. Ever again.
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November 12, 2013 4:42pm
Rowan

Good point Judith
Some people are exceedingly narrow minded like this arrogant f/wit know it all @ 3.06

“That’s your problem Judith. You see decency in people where there isn’t any, be they the mass murderer David Bain or that twat Troll Kea.”
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November 12, 2013 4:46pm
Manolo

For the resident prude; http://entertainment.msn.co.nz/article.aspx?id=8754038
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November 12, 2013 4:51pm
Rowan

DVM @ 12.12

Whats the odds of KP about to be bankrupted? Look how many of his loyal supporters abandoned him in his hour of need!

In terms of yes/no on compensation its rather irrelevant now, doesn’t change the facts of the matter.
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November 12, 2013 4:57pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Give him a break Rowan he’ll have a new fascinating and telling point such as ‘why didn’t Robin take the silencer off the rifle?’ Or maybe read the article by Van Beynan, in either case he’ll know more than the PC, a Jury and an International Jurist that’s why there is no venom in his language – just pure, insightful logic. Sure.
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