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Harriet

Busted! 😎

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9259113/Marryatt-racked-up-Hooters-bills-on-city-council
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October 9, 2013 8:01am
nickb

Harriet, that is classic.

It shows the moral compass most of our top local body politicians have.

IS Len Brown buying ihs groceries and personal sound systems on his credit card any better?

This kind of activity would lead to dismissal if you worked in the private sector.
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October 9, 2013 8:06am
Harriet

nickb#

Stuff were onto it:

….racked up….
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October 9, 2013 8:13am
Longknives

Harriet- 2-1-3… Definitely the blonde…
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October 9, 2013 8:14am
Tom Jackson

You are pathetic. Have you ever been to Hooters? It’s a sports bar with pretty girls as waitresses. It is no way a strip club or a morally deviant establishment.

I went for the Key Lime Pie rather than the tits.

I took my elderly parents to Hooters. They thought it was great. My friend’s folks liked it because it served plain, reasonably priced food. The guy went for dinner at Hooters when on a business trip. How awful.

Look, I think he’s a useless wanker, but this is nothing more than a beat up.
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October 9, 2013 8:16am
OTGO

Been to the Vegas Hooters and the food was great and the scenery not too bad either. I agree with Tom. What a pathetic beat up from Stuff.
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October 9, 2013 8:28am
Azeraph

Ha-ha! Another mini tornado! Guess that seals it Auckland the city of tornadoes. Amazing, geographical layout counts but can’t be single out as the driving cause.
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October 9, 2013 8:30am
nickb

I watched the Beyond the Darklands episode on Mark Lundy.

There seemed to be a fair bit of interesting material in there, along with a lot that can really only be classed as character assassination. Plus some of it sounded incorrect based on other things I have read, like their assertion that the increased life insurance policy was already in place.

F E or other criminal lawyers – what is the stance on broadcasting material like this when an appeal is in the pipeline? Is it ok if a conviction is already entered? It certainly seems like something that could prejudice a future jury.
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October 9, 2013 8:38am
Pete George

Like just about everywhere voting in the south is low, in Dunedin very low – 22.8% as of last night compared to 36.3% in 2010. Dunedin lags lacklustre voting in the south

Whose fault is it? The incumbent councils? The candidates? The media? the voters?
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October 9, 2013 8:44am
nickb

I am going to go for candidates PG.

I am not meaning Dunedin but NZ generally. I have to say the Mayoral lineup in Auckland is one of the biggest bunch of lunatics, monkeys, fraudsters and general delinquents I have ever seen.

At least 2 are unemployed and homeless. One lives in his car. 2 or 3 are psychics or homeopaths or something. One is the self-styled “founder” of a spiritual organisation called the “Dark Horse University” that exists to support the “disengaged and disempowered”. The incumbent has committed credit card fraud that would get any private sector worker sacked. The “right wing” candidate supports the living wage and only supports a reduction in the growth of rates and not a cut in them. Let’s not forget there is Kiwiblog’s very own Waterwoman, along with John “Police Baton Fodder” Minto in there as well.

One supports the abolition of rates and taxes, which sounds promising… then goes on to say that in a communist society rates and taxes aren’t necessary. She almost had me!

They all support various other think big “Monorail” projects like the city rail loop and a “second CBD in Manukau”…. FFS

That explains my apathy, anyway.
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October 9, 2013 8:51am
hj

BBC had ‘deep liberal bias’ over immigration, says former news chief… (unlike Radio New Zealand).

“Boaden, who is now the BBC’s head of radio, made the candid admission to a BBC Trust review into the impartiality of the corporation’s coverage of immigration, religion and the European Union.

She told the review, published on Wednesday, that the BBC did not take the views of lobby group Migration Watch “as seriously as it might have” when she became director of news in September 2004.

Boaden is the latest BBC executive to state publicly that the corporation had a liberal bias on controversial topics such as immigration – an accusation it routinely faces from rightwing sections of the media.

Ceri Thomas, the acting deputy director of BBC News and former Today editor, was more measured when asked about the BBC’s coverage. He told the review: “Any culture can be at risk of excluding what it thinks is wrong, possibly marginalising significant chunks of public opinion. We need to push against this consensus every day.”
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jul/03/bbc-deep-liberal-bias-immigration
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October 9, 2013 8:54am
hj

Immigration is driving up home prices, says the minister who believes houses are better than green fields… (unlike Aotearoa/NZ)

“Immigration is helping to fuel rises in house prices that are preventing young people from owning their own home, the Planning Minister has warned.

Nick Boles said he has changed his mind about immigration after seeing how the arrival of 2 million new immigrants over the last decade has left Britain short of houses.

He warned that failure to build enough homes would mean only the professional classes would be able to buy a house.

Mr Boles told the Mail: ‘I have become much more critical of immigration. A very substantial contribution to housing need comes from the level of immigration in the past two decades.’

The Planning Minister revealed that he has changed his views since becoming MP for the Lincolnshire towns of Grantham and Stamford in 2010 and minister with responsibility for liberalising the planning system to promote house building last year.

He said: ‘I had the classic metropolitan view about immigration that it was broadly good for me because it made life more varied and interesting and there were lots of people bringing different skills into the economy.

‘I wasn’t really aware of the effect on people who were competing for relatively low skilled jobs and competing for public services.”

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2332449/Now-houses-better-green-fields-minister-says-immigration-driving-home-prices.html#ixzz2hA8Ybi2q
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October 9, 2013 9:00am
Nookin

The league selectors would be doing sport a grave disservice if they select SBW. Time for someone to tell him or his manager that his ego is no bigger than his team-mates combined.
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October 9, 2013 9:01am
BeaB

Sue Moroney has justified her sudden rise in Labour ranks by demanding the Housing Corporation pay for Freeview for its tenants so they can watch digital TV after the changeover.
You gotta love her.
This will surely endear her to Waikato voters who have already given her the boot four or is it five times.
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October 9, 2013 9:02am
Dirty Rat

Tom @ 8.16am

Agree 100%, just nothing more than a space filler, what next..Marryatt goes to establishment full of fat children ?
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October 9, 2013 9:06am
hj

nickb (2,793) Says:
This kind of activity would lead to dismissal if you worked in the private sector.
…………………..
Thank goodness we are seeing the privatisation of politics by the Property Council Boys!
Houston Calling!!!!!!: Land supply! land supply….Hello Houston…. Filthy Rich here….!!
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October 9, 2013 9:08am
Paulus

The Marriott Hooters saga is a stupid media beatup.
There is nothing rude or distasteful in the Hooters chain, and the food is good and cheap.
But knowing the Puritans of Christchurch he should have used his own card.
Just watch the new Mayor and her off line spending, at which I am sure being a Socialist, means spending other people’s money, she is adept.
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October 9, 2013 9:13am
Antarg

After the hepatitis, butterflies and black grass biosecurity lapses, let’s hope biosecurity is better for the Antarctic scientists!
It sounds like there’s been some deep ice drilling going on, so who knows what ancient things they’ve been digging up!
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October 9, 2013 9:18am
liarbors a joke

Why was marryatt in the US ? Some manager wankfest. Come on, , we all know these things are junkets..marryatt would of known his time was running out in chc but he still had the cheek to lap it up on the ratepayers ! The guy is a buffoon. Thank fuck we are rid of him. Get rid of this CEO shit , back to basics…Town Clerk.
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October 9, 2013 9:31am
wreck1080

Just voted in the local body elections for Tauranga.

Choices for regional council were dire. Supposed to pick 5 I think, but could only find 3 that…

1. did not hold social science degrees (need real life experience)
2. did not have a long history in bureaucratic positions (get a job).
3. Were not treaty advocates (don’t like race based entitlements)
4. Did not work for the greens (greens against mostly everything).

As for DHB selections …. is that a joke? I just numbered 1…7 the first 7 choices. No idea who they were and no interest. Surely someone more qualified than I should be making DHB appointments.
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October 9, 2013 10:00am
hj

For all the criticism of cheaf executives (town clerk) the public are in the dark as to what they really do. I was told that top executives make decisions that come into effect (we may not be able to judge until) years down the track? Why doesn’t a journalist actually present a day in the life of a top executive (including the thorny fast split second / slowly chewed over thought through to great depth decisions)?
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October 9, 2013 10:02am
wreck1080

“Why was marryatt in the US ?”

Proving the pigs are at the trough.

This is highly inappropriate, and definitely careless use of taxpayers money. Like sending a technician on a training course the week before he resigns.

Maryatt is giving the people of chch (and NZ) the bird.
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October 9, 2013 10:03am
Redbaiter

Check the disgraceful religious instruction school kids are getting from a curriculum designed by molesters of children’s minds. The people doing this to our kids are the worst kind of despicable vermin.

“Across the Australian Curriculum, sustainability will allow all young Australians to develop the knowledge, skills, values and world views necessary for them to act in ways that contribute to more sustainable patterns of living. It will enable individuals and communities to reflect on ways of interpreting and engaging with the world. The Sustainability priority is futures-oriented, focusing on protecting environments and creating a more ecologically and socially just world through informed action. Actions that support more sustainable patterns of living require consideration of environmental, social, cultural and economic systems and their interdependence.

This is Australia but its worse in NZ. The education system is derelict and perverted by politics and needs to be completely destroyed and started all over again. With full regard to the regulations that require it be secular.

I’m for doing away with it completely myself, but if it must exist, surely the secular aspect must be adhered to, and this watermelon crap is nothing more than a sick religion.

Full article Quadrant magazine.
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October 9, 2013 10:20am
Redbaiter

New organisation set up by a group of US political heavy weights to combat the poisonous stain on democracy that is the left wing media-

The media win elections for the left. It’s not the left’s competence in office; leftists have demonstrated none. It’s not the left’s ideas; leftist ideas have failed everywhere they have been tried. The left wins for one simple reason: leftists control the information distribution system in the United States. And they use that system to pillory conservatives as heartless bigots intent on harming the poor and targeting minorities.

The media must be destroyed where they stand. That is our mission at Truth Revolt. The goal of TruthRevolt is simple: unmask leftists in the media for who they are, destroy their credibility with the American public, and devastate their funding bases.

TruthRevolt focuses on high-profile media members, and holding them accountable. But TruthRevolt does not stop there. TruthRevolt understands that all politics is local, and therefore looks to fight leftist propaganda at the local level, monitoring local newspapers, television and radio. TruthRevolt also seeks to stop the left dead in its tracks when it comes to training the next generation, our college campuses.

http://www.truthrevolt.org/our-mission
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October 9, 2013 10:33am
Reid

It’s a shame the copy editor for this story clearly wasn’t familiar with US vernacular, isn’t it.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/9260905/Mmmm-is-that-eau-d-beaver
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October 9, 2013 10:36am
Manolo

An excellent article: http://www.sfexaminer.com/sanfrancisco/arthur-c-brooks-american-fairness-means-equality-of-opportunity-not-income/Content?oid=2126415

Hat Tip: Lindsay Mitchell
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October 9, 2013 11:14am
Longknives

Don’t get me wrong- Joseph Parker is an outstanding young prospect.
But “I rank him ahead of Larry Holmes and, as a matter of fact, ahead of George Foreman. And at the same stage of his career, I rank him ahead of Muhammad Ali,”????

Colonel Bob I know you are being paid to promote the fight..but get fucking real…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/9257700/Sheridan-Joseph-Parker-can-be-a-world-beater
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October 9, 2013 11:43am
Manolo

The Kenyan’s change of mind: http://www.theblaze.com/blog/2013/10/08/remember-obamas-2006-thoughts-on-raising-the-debt-ceiling/
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October 9, 2013 11:48am
lprent

Should be an interesting debate about the TPPA between Wayne Mapp and Jane Kelsey on opposite sides tonight in Auckland.

As far as I’m aware it s about the first time that one of the supporters of the TPPA has fronted up. Personally I suspect that Jane Kelsey will cream him.

http://cdn.thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Putting-the-TPPA-to-the-Test.pdf
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October 9, 2013 11:55am
Kea

Good to see Red’s cut n’ paste regarding TruthRevolt. It is desperately needed. Though he would be wrong to think the truth is any friend of his particular political leanings.
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October 9, 2013 12:03pm
david

“As far as I’m aware it s about the first time that one of the supporters of the TPPA has fronted up. Personally I suspect that Jane Kelsey will cream him.” so opines lprent at 11:55am

Memo to lprent. – Frothing from the mouth is not cream!
– Frankly I’m unconvinced that anyone gives a shit what you think.
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October 9, 2013 12:04pm
nickb

Personally I suspect that Jane Kelsey will cream him.

Given Jane Kelsey is a socialist, it is organised by a socialist group and will be in front of a bunch of socialist academics and socialist Princes St Labour stooges and socialist students, and probably moderated by one, you haven’t left much to chance. Seems somewhat cowardly IMHO, but then universities have never been a bastion of free speech, unless it is in support of left wing political ideals.

Personally, I suspect that whatever the content of the debate you would consider it a victory.
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October 9, 2013 12:07pm
southtop

Building on Manalo’s link at 11.14am:
“Equality of Outcomes” is not the equal of “Equality of Opportunity” ……… Which is better for society?
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October 9, 2013 12:26pm
OneTrack

southtop – Depends if you are a communist or a capitalist?
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October 9, 2013 12:41pm
iMP

Winners and Losers and the media contribution in the Christchurch Local Body campaign, its most important election in decades.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/10/09/1-who-will-win-in-christchurch-general/
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October 9, 2013 12:42pm
Redbaiter

“As far as I’m aware it s about the first time that one of the supporters of the TPPA has fronted up. Personally I suspect that Jane Kelsey will cream him.”

She will.

Mapp is actually a left wing stooge who should have been in the Labour Party not National.

He has no good arguments to confront leftists because he is one of them.
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October 9, 2013 12:53pm
mikenmild

The benefits of the TPP are accepted by both major political parties so Mapp’s partisan affiliations should not make much difference to his approach to this debate.
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October 9, 2013 1:09pm
KevinH

Without Obama at the Bali Apec the heat will be well down on the TPP making it a non event sideshow offering. It will go on the back burner until all parties are fully engaged.
In the meantime the domestic lockdown in the US drags on with looming repercussions for the global economy in the form of another credit crunch, particularly for the US.
For New Zealand it means that our dollar will go ballistic, get in quick while you have the chance.
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October 9, 2013 1:25pm
mikenmild

What will be effect on our market of the US reaching a deal over the debt ceiling? I understand most markets are expecting that to be the outcome.
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October 9, 2013 1:31pm
Manolo

Saudi lunacy. The followers of the paedophile Prophet are getting crazier:
http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8735949/man-divorces-wife-for-kissing-horse
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October 9, 2013 1:50pm
Grendel

Isn’t it nice how DPF allows Lprent (the best sysop in the world) to post antagonistic stuff here and not get banned. dont see the reverse happening.

now of course in the actual ‘debate’ Kelsey could spend the entire time clucking like a chicken and Lynne (and the rest of the unwashed at the stranded) will claim from on high that she clearly won.
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October 9, 2013 2:28pm
Manolo

The same “delicate” guy with a girl’s name? The self-appointed Torquemada at The sub-Standard?
DPF is a very generous person, quite the opposite to the multi-coloured (rainbow) and censorius lprent.
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October 9, 2013 2:45pm
publicwatchdog

9 October 2013

‘Open letter’ from Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright to Auckland Mayoral candidate John Palino:

“Can you be trusted John Palino? How ‘successful’ have your NZ businesses really been?”

Dear John,

Your Auckland Mayoral candidate’s statement :

“Since becoming an Aucklander in 1996, I have created and run a range of successful businesses and pursued many projects in hospitality, marketing and media.”

However, upon doing a bit of ‘due diligence’ myself, and today checking the NZ Companies Office website, I have discovered that there is currently only one NZ -listed company, of which you are a shareholder and Director.

Your own.

PALINO ENTERPRISES LIMITED (1427173)

Searching the NZ Companies Office under Directors and Shareholders for John Palino, comes up with the following list:

http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/individual/search?q=John+Palino&roleType=ALL&indEntityTypes=ALL&indDirStatus=ALL&indEntityStatusGroups=ALL&addressKeyword=&advancedPanel=false#results

AUCKLAND VIADUCT LIMITED (1774431) (Struck off) – Director
In Liquidation

THE SOUP KITCHEN LIMITED (1794268) (Struck off) – Ceased Director

THE IVORY LIMITED (1005433) (Struck off) – Director
In liquidation:

RUBY’S LIMITED (1077352) (Struck off) – Director

ACCENT MARK CONSULTANTS LIMITED (919709) (Struck off) – Director

SAL ROSE LIMITED (1544005) – Ceased Director

ALBERTON VILLAGE PROPERTY LIMITED (1629794) – Ceased Director

STARKS BAR LIMITED (2212784) – Ceased Director

In summary – of the 9 above-listed NZ companies, 5 have been ‘struck off’
(of which 3 of those companies have been liquidated).

So what is your definition, John Palino, of a ‘successful’ business?

In your Auckland Mayoral candidate statement, you say:

“Auckland ratepayers deserve accountable, transparent and representative local government serving community needs.”

However, you don’t have any stated ‘ACTION PLAN’ in order to achieve’accountable, transparent and representative local government serving community needs.’

I do.

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/
2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-
CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaig
-19-July-2013-2.pdf

Do YOU John Palino, agree with this 19 point ‘ACTION PLAN’ for genuine transparency, and democratic accountability?

Yes or no?

If no – why not?

ACTION PLAN TO PREVENT CORRUPTION – ‘WHITE COLLAR’ CRIME & ‘CORPORATE WELFARE’ IN NZ:

1. Get our anti-corruption domestic legislative framework in place so NZ can ratify the UN Convention Against Corruption.

2. Set up an NZ independent anti-corruption body tasked with educating the public and PREVENTING corruption.

3. Change NZ laws to ensure genuine transparency in the funding of candidates for elected public office and political parties at central and local government level.

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

6. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government elected representatives.

7. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Central Government staff responsible for property and procurement, (including the Ministry of Health), in order to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

8. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available ‘Register of Interests’ for NZ Local Government staff, and Directors and staff employed by ‘Council-Controlled Organisations (CCOs) responsible for property and procurement.

9. Make it a lawful requirement for details of ‘contracts issued’ – including the name of the contractor; scope, term and value of the contract to be published in NZ Central Government Public Sector, and Local Government (Council), and ‘Council-Controlled Organisation (CCO) Annual Reports so that they are available for public scrutiny.

10. Make it a lawful requirement that a ‘cost-benefit analysis’ of NZ Central Government, and Local Government public finances be undertaken to prove that private procurement of public services previously provided ‘in-house’ is cost-effective for the public majority. If not – then return public service provision to staff directly employed ‘in-house’ and cut out these private contractors who are effectively dependent on ‘corporate welfare’.

11. Legislate for a legally-enforcable ‘Code of Conduct’ for members of the NZ Judiciary, to ensure they are not ‘above the law’.

12. Ensure that ALL NZ Court proceedings are recorded, and audio records made available to parties who request them.

13. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ Judicial ‘Register of Interests’, to help prevent ‘conflicts of interest’.

14. Make it a lawful requirement for a publicly-available NZ ‘Register of Lobbyists’ and ‘Code of Conduct for Lobbyists’ at Central Government Ministerial level.

15. Make it a lawful requirement at NZ Central and Local Government level for a ‘post-separation employment quarantine’ period from the time officials leave the public service to take up a similar role in the private sector. (Help stop the ‘revolving door’).

16. Make it a lawful requirement that it is only a binding vote of the public majority that can determine whether public assets held at NZ Central or Local Government level are sold; or long-term leased via Public-Private –Partnerships (PPPs).

17. Make it unlawful for politicians to knowingly misrepresent their policies prior to election at central or local government level.

18. Make laws to protect individuals, NGOs and community-based organisations who are ‘whistleblowing’ against ‘conflicts of interest’ and corrupt practices at central and local government level and within the judiciary.

19. Legislate to help stop ‘State Capture’, a form of ‘grand corruption’ arguably endemic in NZ – where vested interests get their way at the ‘policy level’ before legislation is passed which serves their interests.

Prepared and authorised by Penny Bright, Auckland Mayoral Candidate, 86A School Rd, Kingsland, Auckland 1021 waterpressure@gmail.com

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
PROVEN ‘anti-corruption /anti-privatisation’ campaigner.
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
___________________________________________________________________________________________

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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October 9, 2013 3:12pm
nickb

Penny,

If that was due diligence then it was the worst due diligence I have ever seen.

I always knew you were missing a few sandwiches from your lunchbox, but I never picked you to be the deliberately malicious and defamatory type.

Any person with a computer can see that all of the companies you listed above which have been struck off have been due to the normal wind down of a business. The 3 companies that were liquidated were all solvent liquidations with no creditors.

Even our left wing MSM has pointed out what a successful business career John Palino has had.

You surely can’t be that stupid that you don’t know what a solvent liquidation is?

Do you seriously think people wouldn’t take the 30 seconds to fact check you?

Do you seriously think you had just claimed the scalp of John Palino?

Do you think Aucklanders want a Mayor with that kind of commercial nous, and a penchant for making highly defamatory and untrue statements?

Or a Mayor that is just too fucking thick to find a companies office report on a public database?

Or a Mayor that doesn’t pay her rates?
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October 9, 2013 3:23pm
alex Masterley

Good points well made Nick.
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October 9, 2013 3:28pm
Tom Jackson

“Across the Australian Curriculum, sustainability will allow all young Australians to develop the knowledge, skills, values and world views necessary for them to act in ways that contribute to more sustainable patterns of living. It will enable individuals and communities to reflect on ways of interpreting and engaging with the world. The Sustainability priority is futures-oriented, focusing on protecting environments and creating a more ecologically and socially just world through informed action. Actions that support more sustainable patterns of living require consideration of environmental, social, cultural and economic systems and their interdependence.

That’s awful. I can already hear the trains rolling into the extermination camps. This must be stopped!
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October 9, 2013 3:50pm
mikenmild

Imagine teaching vulnerable children that environmental, social, cultural and economic systems are interdependent. Just horrible.
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October 9, 2013 3:52pm
Tom Jackson

REDBAITER!

I asked you politely the other day what your preferred school curriculum would be, and you never answered.

How about letting the rest of us know what you would replace the current system with?

Note that it has to be suitable for people who are going to live in New Zealand.
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October 9, 2013 4:01pm
hj

@ Redbaiter (5,618) Says:
……………………………………..
Sustainability may be an unpleasant concept but I’m afraid your objection puts you on the side of those who thought the sun went about the earth.

Bringing Torres Islanders into the mathematics curriculum I don’t understand: are they being studied statistically (like ducks) or are they showing that they used [a little/some/ a lot of maths]? It looks like this could be a culture boost (social engineering)?
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October 9, 2013 4:21pm
hj

So The Torres Islanders are flunking math.
we are failing them
here’s what is needed:

What we know
We know that classroom practice can make a real difference to learning outcomes. We therefore need teachers who are able to:
1.Make sound professional judgements about Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students in relation to appropriate pedagogy, which mathematics to teach and what they know about students through thorough assessment and evaluation

2.Be responsive to Aboriginal culture and knowledge, communities, families and students and have a deep knowledge of mathematics
3.
Combine professional judgement about their students’ mathematics learning needs and responsiveness to Aboriginal culture
to develop responsive mathematics pedagogy that is culturally, socially and academically inclusive for their specific contexts
.

https://custom.cvent.com/AC1461E6AC63400FB8AAA2E83F2C2C45/files/d9654b8fde554515bda883b737112000.pdf

Whoever wrote that: those who can do;those who can’t teach?
Pedagogy (/ˈpɛdəɡɒdʒi/ or /ˈpɛdəɡoʊdʒi/)[1] is the science and art of education, specifically instructional theory.
Wikipedia
[I knew that]
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October 9, 2013 4:32pm
publicwatchdog

What was UNTRUE about what I ASKED?

“Can you be trusted John Palino? How ‘successful’ have your NZ businesses really been?”

Dear John,

Your Auckland Mayoral candidate’s statement :

“Since becoming an Aucklander in 1996, I have created and run a range of successful businesses and pursued many projects in hospitality, marketing and media.”

However, upon doing a bit of ‘due diligence’ myself, and today checking the NZ Companies Office website, I have discovered that there is currently only one NZ -listed company, of which you are a shareholder and Director.

Your own.

PALINO ENTERPRISES LIMITED (1427173)

…..

In summary – of the 9 above-listed NZ companies, 5 have been ‘struck off’
(of which 3 of those companies have been liquidated).

So what is your definition, John Palino, of a ‘successful’ business? …”
__________________________________________________________________________________________

It’s a fair question – in my opinion.

Having been on the Auckland mayoral campaign trail with John Palino – I have noticed that he constantly uses the ‘transparency’ word.

However – words are cheap.

He doesn’t have an ACTION PLAN to help achieve transparency, so I’ve asked him if he agrees with mine.

If not – why not?

How about yourself Nick?

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/
2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-
CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaig
-19-July-2013-2.pdf

Or do you think that running the Auckland region like a business, by business, FOR business is benefiting the majority of citizens and ratepayers?

Do YOU agree that the ‘books’ should be open, so citizens and ratepayers can see exactly where public monies are being spent?

Yes or no?

THAT’S why I’m refusing to pay rates, because our lawful rights to ‘open, transparent and democratically-accountable’ local government are NOT being upheld.

You may be happy to be a ‘ca$h cow / sheep’ – I am not, and am making a stand in defence of YOUR lawful rights.

Or maybe YOU are the one who is ‘too thick’ to see that?

(Meant of course in a caring way ….. 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation’ campaigner

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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October 9, 2013 4:37pm
mikenmild

Penny
Why are you spamming GD with the same lengthy comment twice? Can you answer nickb’s questions, please?
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October 9, 2013 4:41pm
graham

nickb at 3:23 pm – Well done.

Further on Penny. You will notice that she poses a question to Mr Palino, asking him whether he agrees with a 19 point ‘ACTION PLAN’ for genuine transparency, and democratic accountability.

Well, I have, for months, been querying one very simple point with Penny. I think points 4 and 5 of her proposed “ACTION PLAN” have some merit:

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

And I have posed the idea to Penny that these points should be extended to ALL elected officials. I asked Penny whether she – as someone who has run for mayor previously, and stood for other offices – would agree to such a code of conduct herself. If so, what would she anticipate that such a code of conduct might look like? Do you think someone who makes a complete spectacle of herself at demonstrations, commits acts of vandalism, and refuses to pay her rates, might be guilty of breaching such a code of conduct?

Funnily enough, I have NEVER had an answer from Penny.

But, hopeful person that I am, let’s try again.

Penny – do YOU agree with your OWN action plan? If so, what do YOU think might constitute a ‘Code of Conduct’ for YOU?
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October 9, 2013 4:42pm
nickb

Lol.

Good to see you cravenly resile from your earlier defamatory statements Penny, notwithstanding that you still show all the characteristics of an odious smear merchant.
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October 9, 2013 4:55pm
publicwatchdog

“Good to see you cravenly resile from your earlier defamatory statements Penny, notwithstanding that you still show all the characteristics of an odious smear merchant.”

DUH?

I repeated what I had originally said Nick.

Perhaps you need to read a little more carefully?

What did I say that was FACTUALLY INCORRECT?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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October 9, 2013 5:04pm
mikenmild

But could you answer nickb’s questions from 3.23pm please Penny? Auckland voters want to hear from you!
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October 9, 2013 5:10pm
publicwatchdog

“Do you think someone who makes a complete spectacle of herself at demonstrations, commits acts of vandalism, and refuses to pay her rates, might be guilty of breaching such a code of conduct?”

So – you don’t support our lawful rights to peaceful assembly or freedom of expression Graham?

What ‘acts of vandalism’ have I been found guilty in Court of committing?

Please provide a link to the Court judgment.

If you are unable to provide a link to the Court judgment in which I am found guilty of ‘acts of vandalism’ – then please be reminded of the NZ Defamation Act 1992 – section 25:

http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/public/1992/0105/latest/DLM281239.html

FYI – here is the link to the successful Occupy Auckland vs Auckland Council Appeal, in which I was one of the two successful Appellants : http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/?p=113

Penny Bright

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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October 9, 2013 5:14pm
mikenmild

I particularly want to know Penny, whether you think John Palino is a successful business man. Did you mean to imply that he was not, or that his business dealings were irregular in some way?
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October 9, 2013 5:17pm
hj

What did I say that was FACTUALLY INCORRECT?
……
You implied what’s his name was a bad businessman because he was struck off (but that was because you didn’t know the legal context of struck off)?
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October 9, 2013 5:18pm
hj

What ‘acts of vandalism’ have I been found guilty in Court of committing?

Please provide a link to the Court judgment.
……………………
typical of you Mafioso to bribe the judge! And typical of you to start an anti corruption campaign so you get the inside running!
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October 9, 2013 5:24pm
Left Right and Centre

Is the best part of local body elections going to be less, or hopefully no more, pubicwitchdork bullshit?
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October 9, 2013 5:25pm
graham

Tell you what Penny – you answer my question, then I’ll gladly answer yours.

As a reminder, the question was:

Regarding your proposed “Action Plan”, IN PARTICULAR POINTS 4 AND 5 –

4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.

would you, Penny – as someone who has run for mayor previously, and stood for other offices – agree to such a code of conduct yourself? And if so, what would you anticipate that such a code of conduct might look like? Do you think someone who makes a complete spectacle of herself at demonstrations, commits acts of vandalism, and refuses to pay her rates, might be guilty of breaching such a code of conduct?

A simple enough question, I would have thought Penny. So if you answer it, then I’ll happily answer your questions.
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October 9, 2013 5:25pm
hj

hj (4,920) Says:
of course i’m only kidding about the next Auckland Mayoress.
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October 9, 2013 5:29pm
Left Right and Centre

SBW shows everyone the difference between two popular NZ team sport codes:

(1) All Blacks: I can take it. Leave it to me.

(2) Kiwis: I can take it or leave it.
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October 9, 2013 5:30pm
LabourDoesntWork

The lesson of p. punctatus…

[C]onsider whether the immigrant communities of today more closely resemble meticulous productive ant nests or dirty, unhygienic places. Ants might not be able to anticipate the idiocratic consequences of allow a “transmissible social cancer” to take root in their colonies, but one would have thought that human beings could do better.

http://voxday.blogspot.com/2013/10/the-lesson-of-p-punctatus.html
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October 9, 2013 5:36pm
nickb

It would appear you have been caught red-faced in a defamatory lie, Penny, and that rather than the self-styled righteous crusader you state you are, you are just another lying political weasel
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October 9, 2013 5:37pm
Nookin

If one were to be in an argumentative mood, one might possibly argue, in a considered fashion of course, that Graham did not suggest any time that Penny had been convicted of wilful damage (which is the offence associated with vandalism).

One might indeed, arguably, form the considered opinion that Graham had suggested (admittedly in a forthright manner) that Penny had committed acts of vandalism. It might also follow from that fact that Graham does not have to prove a criminal conviction. He might simply have to prove on the balance of probability that Penny had vandalised something.

Vandalism involves intentional damage. The dictionary definition of damage involves injury or harm impairing the function or condition of a person or thing. It might however follow that intentional interference and effacing of election signs, arguably, involves vandalism thus — http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2011/11/penny-bright-sign-vandal/#axzz2hCAus3Av .

One also might form the considered opinion that a person who claims to be victorious in the particular court case to which reference is made might not be a person who can be trusted if that person deliberately (arguably) fails to point out that the particular judgment clearly establishes that the initial injunction would have been valid had it gone only so far as to restrict the activities then undertaken by that person rather than extend to future actions of unknown persons.

One might reasonably formed the view that it is pushing shit uphill with a sharp stick to suggest that the dismissal of an injunction because it no longer served any purpose and because it went further than was actually necessary for the particular purpose could be regarded as any sort of success. If anything, one might reasonably argue, in a considered and principled fashion of course, that it was something of a pyrrhic victory – particularly when the court was so dismissive of some aspects of that person’s argument.
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October 9, 2013 5:43pm
Reid

Park Ranger: Obama Administration Has Instructed Us to “Make Life as Difficult For People as We Can”

And if you were listening to Checkpoint tonight they had an excerpt from Obama specifically rarking up that perspective.
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October 9, 2013 5:48pm
Pauleastbay

Gotta love the irony of this life.

Phil Chevron dies and Shane just keeps on keeping on, gotta love it…………

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/health/news/article.cfm?c_id=204&objectid=11137306
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October 9, 2013 6:52pm
Fletch

Reid, I never did like Obama very much, but now I have no respect for him whatsoever. He makes me sick. He is just a petty louse.
Look at the thuggish tactics his park rangers just used on senior citizen tourists to Yellowstone.

Vaillancourt was one of thousands of people who found themselves in a national park as the federal government shutdown went into effect on Oct. 1. For many hours her tour group, which included senior citizen visitors from Japan, Australia, Canada and the United States, were locked in a Yellowstone National Park hotel under armed guard.

The tourists were treated harshly by armed park employees, she said, so much so that some of the foreign tourists with limited English skills thought they were under arrest.

When finally allowed to leave, the bus was not allowed to halt at all along the 2.5-hour trip out of the park, not even to stop at private bathrooms that were open along the route.

“We’ve become a country of fear, guns and control,” said Vaillancourt, who grew up in Lawrence. “It was like they brought out the armed forces. Nobody was saying, ‘we’re sorry,’ it was all like — ” as she clenched her fist and banged it against her forearm.

Rangers systematically sent visitors out of the park, though some groups that had hotel reservations — such as Vaillancourt’s — were allowed to stay for two days. Those two days started out on a sour note, she said.

The bus stopped along a road when a large herd of bison passed nearby, and seniors filed out to take photos. Almost immediately, an armed ranger came by and ordered them to get back in, saying they couldn’t “recreate.” The tour guide, who had paid a $300 fee the day before to bring the group into the park, argued that the seniors weren’t “recreating,” just taking photos.

“She responded and said, ‘Sir, you are recreating,’ and her tone became very aggressive,” Vaillancourt said.

The seniors quickly filed back onboard and the bus went to the Old Faithful Inn, the park’s premier lodge located adjacent to the park’s most famous site, Old Faithful geyser. That was as close as they could get to the famous site — barricades were erected around Old Faithful, and the seniors were locked inside the hotel, where armed rangers stayed at the door.

“They looked like Hulk Hogans, armed. They told us you can’t go outside,” she said. “Some of the Asians who were on the tour said, ‘Oh my God, are we under arrest?’ They felt like they were criminals.”

As the bus made its 2.5-hour journey out of Yellowstone, the tour guide made arrangements to stop at a full-service bathroom at an in-park dude ranch he had done business with in the past. Though the bus had its own small bathroom, Vaillancourt said seniors were looking for a more comfortable place to stop. But no stop was made — Vaillancourt said the dude ranch had been warned that its license to operate would be revoked if it allowed the bus to stop. So the bus continued on to Livingston, Mont., a gateway city to the park.

http://www.trevorloudon.com/2013/10/obama-uses-armed-gestapo-like-guard-tactics-on-senior-citizens-at-yellowstone-park/

Also, cones have been placed on the highway so people can’t even get a view of Mt Rushmore – they’re not even allowed to see it. What a damn bully.

This sort of thing has never happened at any Govt shutdown in the past. It’s pathetic.
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October 9, 2013 7:13pm
nasska

Fletch & Reid

It would seem that the Messiah has taken every petty option open to him to cause inconvenience to the max….however, he can’t go much lower than threatening to shut down treatment for kids with cancer.

Ref: http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/10/05/list-obama-closures-for-shutdown
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October 9, 2013 7:23pm
Pauleastbay

every petty option open to him to cause inconvenience to the max….

a lefty getting nasty, didn’t see that coming
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October 9, 2013 7:32pm
nasska

FOR SALE:

Contraception and bikini waxing business.

Four rolls of duct tape included.
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October 9, 2013 8:01pm
Fletch

Obama is also cutting video sports broadcasts to the troops – http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2013/10/06/filthy-obama-cuts-afn-sports-broadcasts-troops/
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October 9, 2013 8:04pm
mikenmild

Looks like the Republicans should act to end the shutdown as soon as possible.
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October 9, 2013 8:08pm
Ryan Sproull

I imagine there’s a fair amount of, “Oh, shit, my taxes used to pay for that?!” going on.
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October 9, 2013 8:11pm
Steve (North Shore)

“Looks like the Republicans should act to end the shutdown as soon as possible.”

The Demos still think there is money in the Bank Mike, but they can’t go to see the American Founders at Mt Rushnore?

Mr President is in a tight spot – and the NET TAXPAYERS have had a gutsfull of SOCIALIST REDISTIBUTION BULLSHIT!!

Oh, maybe the World is the Bank of USA – just wait for Europe to crash and USA comes out.
Fucking Demos and Lefties have no idea
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October 9, 2013 8:45pm
Nostradamus

I see Jeremy McLaughlin has been sentenced to at least 23 years in jail. Justice Panckhurst described the case against McLaughlin as overwhelming. But, no, according to McLaughlin’s aunt we’ve all got it terribly wrong:

McLaughlin’s aunt Aurora Smith told media outside court that her nephew was innocent of murdering Jade.

“This is a very sad day. The Bayliss family have not yet received completion and an innocent man has been sentenced for a murder he did not commit. [Is he innocent of the Perth manslaughter too?]

“Jeremy told the truth when he told the court he did not see Jade that day. [But how did he come by Jade’s wallet then?] Jeremy was repeatedly told he was telling lies of convenience. That is a great shame, because there are people who want to know the truth.

“I’m very disappointed that Jeremy thought for a moment that it was OK to do what he did to people’s possessions. He is very sorry and disappointed in himself. I’m very disappointed that Jeremy allowed himself to be … manipulated into the Bayliss home that day and hence to become the smokescreen and the scapegoat for this terrible thing. [manipulated by who?]

“Jeremy is far from the person he has been portrayed. He has taken full responsibility for all that he has done [I’ve yet to see any evidence of this (*)] and he cannot do more than that.”

If Justice Panckhurst (who heard all of the evidence presented) thinks the case against McLaughlin was overwhelming, then that’s good enough for me.

(*) McLaughlin had handed in a letter to the victim’s family that he wanted to read out in court, but it was ruled out by Justice Panckhurst because it would not be appropriate because it still contained a denial of the murder.
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October 9, 2013 8:49pm
Redbaiter

“It would seem that the Messiah has taken every petty option open to him to cause inconvenience to the max….however, he can’t go much lower than threatening to shut down treatment for kids with cancer.”

Got a fucking point or what?

Idiot.
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October 9, 2013 8:54pm
mikenmild

The US system is set up so that the actors within it must reach a compromise. The Republicans are effectively holding themselves hostage by not allowing a vote on the shutdown. The longer the impasse lasts, the greater the pressure will be on Boehner and his colleagues to give way.
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October 9, 2013 8:55pm
Steve (North Shore)

Where is that cork soaker Redblatter?
Gone into hiding sonny? I do not comment much about your views, but I guess you must be having time out now.
Was it the men in white coats that came to see what the Tauranga/Mt Maunganui blowhole was about?
I am doing about 10% of the trolling that you do Redblatter – you chicken arsed shit
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October 9, 2013 8:59pm
lilman

Christ why doesnt Obama say its a RED line,that worked well.
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October 9, 2013 9:00pm
mikenmild

At the moment Obama does not have to do that much, as the political momentum is moving his way.
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October 9, 2013 9:01pm
Steve (North Shore)

SGW is married to his own hand and the Bank.
Future leader of the Labia Party – cork soaker
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October 9, 2013 9:15pm
nasska

I’ve just been looking up the “Alexa” site Baity & I’ve got good news…..they’re still listing Truebluenz.com but with a global rank of 2,079,683 the writing’s probably on the wall. Ref: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/truebluenz.com#trafficstats

In any case I’m a bit curious about what you have been posting lately. Apparently 5.76% of your traffic comes from search keywords “hey yo we got chinks in the house”.

Seems very strange. 🙂
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October 9, 2013 9:17pm
Steve (North Shore)

Auckland Council pays again:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11137604&ref=rss
Why? the Council is not paying – the Ratepayer is paying FFS
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October 9, 2013 9:18pm
Redbaiter

Apart from when you’re bitching about religion Nasska you never say anything. Its clear all of these other pissant pointless comments are just a feeble attempt to cover for the obsession that is really your only reason for writing anything here. Sick miserable smug sneering troll.
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October 9, 2013 9:22pm
nasska

…”Sick miserable smug sneering troll.”….

You’ve lost it Baity…..even your insults are a feeble shadow of what you used to manage. 🙂
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October 9, 2013 9:27pm
Redbaiter

Its not an insult, its merely an observation of fact.

You’ve written nothing here today that was worth the bandwidth. Poorly written and just pathetic pointless drivel. All you’ve ever had is your hatred and bigotry and if you haven’t got an excuse to express that you’ve got nothing.

Just a sick weak troll.
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October 9, 2013 9:31pm
Kea

Speaking of obsessions, here is a typical content free Redbaiter comment:

troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll troll

Talk of political and social issues seems to make Red angry and confused. He might want to restrict his comments to gardening sites, or better yet, Lord of The Rings fan sites, where he can more fully indulge his fixation with “trolls” 🙂
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October 9, 2013 9:46pm
Nookin

“Poorly written and just pathetic pointless drivel. All you’ve ever had is your hatred and bigotry ….”

Mirror, mirror on the wall, who ….?
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October 9, 2013 9:48pm
Manolo

The Kenyan keeps in touch: http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2013/10/obama-meets-with-krauthammer-gigot-174603.html
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