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Harriet

“….At which point FOX News contributor and self-described feminist, Kirsten Powers, chimed in to ask whether or not I believe workplace discrimination has been a societal problem in the last, say, twenty years. “No, I don’t,” I said. The research is clear that women (both here and in the UK) want flexibility, or even part-time work, more than anything else. And you can’t have those things and still expect to make the same money as those who work full-time and year-round, which men typically do. I didn’t get a chance to add that childless, single women under 30 earn more than their male counterparts—proving that motherhood is the real reason for the pay gap.
To prove me wrong, Powers described her own personal experience with discrimination, as well her mother’s. But as Hanna Rosin (Hanna Rosin!) recently wrote in an article entitled “The Patriarchy Is Dead,” “The big picture is not always reflected in women’s daily experience of life. Maybe a woman has an overbearing husband or a retrograde boss or just a lingering problem that has no name.”
She adds, “In that more complicated discussion [of the pay gap], you have to leave room at least for the option of choice—that women just don’t want to work the same way men do.”
Indeed. But accepting this is a real problem for committed feminists. After the debate, a “friend” of Ms. Powers—a college or grad student, couldn’t tell which—confronted me in the bathroom. In the sweetest, most condescending voice possible, she asked, “Where do you get your information?” She’s just curious, she said, since everyone knows women are paid less than men for doing the same work. In her entire life, she’s never heard anyone claim otherwise.
And there it is: the bubble. Elite feminists and their devotees all hang out in the same environment and thus aren’t used to having their views challenged. To them, it’s very simple: If you subscribe to the woman-as-victim meme, you’re an immediate member of the club. If you don’t, you’re a bona fide nut.
I can’t fathom being so blind…..” – Suzanne Venker.
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October 4, 2013 8:02am
hj

Silencing Scientists
“Over the last few years, the government of Canada — led by Stephen Harper — has made it harder and harder for publicly financed scientists to communicate with the public and with other scientists,” he writes. “Now the government is doing all it can to monitor and restrict the flow of scientific information, especially concerning research into climate change, fisheries and anything to do with the Alberta tar sands — source of the diluted bitumen that would flow through the controversial Keystone XL pipeline.”
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“There was trouble of this kind here in the George W. Bush years, when scientists were asked to toe the party line on climate policy and endangered species,” adds Klinkenborg. “But nothing came close to what is being done in Canada.”
Science is the gathering of hypotheses and the endless testing of them. It involves checking and double-checking, self-criticism and a willingness to overturn even fundamental assumptions if they prove to be wrong. But none of this can happen without open communication among scientists. This is more than an attack on academic freedom. It is an attempt to guarantee public ignorance.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/22/opinion/sunday/silencing-scientists.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0
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October 4, 2013 8:02am
mikenmild

Nice of DPF to put up a separate religious thread for today – that might keep GD free for rational, secular discussion.
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October 4, 2013 8:03am
Samuel Smith

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Neolibs beware – National are screwed – polling around 42% with no coalition partners is not good for your cause. Cunliffe has said neoliberalsim is at an end if he is elected.

What will Bill ‘housing allowance fraudster’ English and John ‘junk bond dealer’ Key do? Some large spending bribes in the next budget? Have people grown sick of Key?

The time of the neolib has ended.
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October 4, 2013 8:12am
hj

What is changing is Houstonians’ attitude toward urban life. Historically, as Rice University’s Kinder Institute for Urban Research succinctly puts it, Houston has been viewed as “the most sprawling, least dense, most automobile-dependent major city in America.” And for many years, Houstonians seemed to be perfectly content with that. But there’s evidence that’s no longer the case. The institute’s annual survey of Houston-area residents last year found that half the residents of Harris County, of which Houston is part, would prefer to live “in an area with a mix of development, including homes, shops and restaurants” as opposed to a “single-family residential area.” Even if you look at the farthest parts of the metro region—the nine counties surrounding Harris County—more than 40 percent of residents prefer the mixed-use option. The results, which are also reflected in recent development patterns, have city leaders, developers and advocates for density buzzing. “It’s not a flash-in-the-pan trend,” Campo says.
The trend seems to be driven by three factors: young adults who are less attracted to suburbs, rising transportation costs, and a concerted effort by Mayor Annise Parker and her predecessor Bill White to promote amenities in the city and especially its core. Houston, of course, is by no means the only city experiencing a renewed interest in urban living. But it may be the most unlikely, and the trend is especially notable given the poor reputation Houston has historically had in the urban planning field. Now, city leaders are trying to respond to market demands they didn’t encounter just a short time ago. As the Kinder study notes, “the challenge today is not in finding residents who want to live in more compact, urbanized communities, but in building places across the region that can accommodate them.”
http://www.governing.com/topics/urban/gov-houston-urban-revival.html
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October 4, 2013 8:14am
flipper

Tom Clancy is dead..
.but there is one in the can for Christmas….
This message from a buddy in Colorado:

Here is obit from NYT.
Next book is Command Authority.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/03/books/tom-clancy-best-selling-novelist-of-military-thrillers-dies-at-66.html?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131003&pagewanted=print
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October 4, 2013 8:19am
Griff

The same was done here hj
a niwa scientist was sacked for speaking out about AGW
The denial Of agw and by extension science on the right is allowing the left more power
as the reality heats up it will cost the rightwing partys votes
at present the number of higher educated persons voting for the gop in the states has declined from the expected 50% to 5% due to the attacks on science emanating from the party
pf course we don’t have the creation debate in NZ so the effect is not as great
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October 4, 2013 8:22am
flipper

Well I guess that there has to be at least one screwed in the head, socialist nutter supporting Minus T, he of the goitre chin….

Samuel Smith is this morning’s dose.
Flush the toilet please folks.
The smell is nauseating.
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October 4, 2013 8:24am
hj

A majority is a subset of a set consisting of more than half of the set’s elements. This can be compared to a plurality, which is a subset larger than any other subset considered; i.e. a plurality is not necessarily a majority as the largest subset considered may consist of less than half the set’s elements. Wikipedia

John found the vast majority of migrant youth (36.4%) choose to integrate. The second largest group (22.5%) choose the direct opposite, which is to seperate.

http://issues.co.nz/diversityissues/John+Berry%2C+eminient+Cross-cultural+Psychologist%2C+visits+CACR

This is the expert who declared that Canada was extremely “boooring” before Trudeau mandated multiculturalism.
We are talking developed countries here and ethnic foods alone don’t justify mass migration to developed countries. Japan industrialised after Glover opened their eyes and the Shogun sent 19 of their brightest lads off to study in the UK.
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October 4, 2013 8:24am
Colville

hj

half the residents of Harris County, of which Houston is part, would prefer to live “in an area with a mix of development, including homes, shops and restaurants” as opposed to a “single-family residential area

Who wouldnt want to have shops near to home? but what isnt asked is if these people want to have medium/high desnity appartment dwellings such as Looney Len proposes for Auckland.
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October 4, 2013 8:27am
hj

Can living in laneways fix Toronto’s density issues?
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/12/26/can_living_in_laneways_fix_torontos_density_issues.html
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October 4, 2013 8:28am
Colville

flipper @ 8.19
Has Clancey written a decent book in the last 10 years?
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October 4, 2013 8:29am
hj

Colville (1,214) Says:
October 4th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Who wouldnt want to have shops near to home? but what isnt asked is if these people want to have medium/high desnity appartment dwellings such as Looney Len proposes for Auckland.
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but the real issue is the governments explicit goal of population increase and progressives ignoring of immigration issues -solving the worlds problems not NZ’s..
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October 4, 2013 8:31am
Griff

the same happens with public transport
when asked most say we need better public public transport
fewer if asked would say they would use it
fewer still actually do even if the service is provided
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October 4, 2013 8:36am
hj

Detroit Bankruptcy Highlights Nation’s Obsession With Diplomas
“Now that people are heralding a manufacturing renaissance, though, does it mean that those jobs are coming back? Even if the renaissance is real, which many people doubt, the jobs are not coming back. Last week, the NY Times ran a piece on a cotton mill that recently reopened in South Carolina; the article points out that “the mill here produces 2.5 million pounds of yarn a week with about 140 workers. In 1980, that production level would have required more than 2,000 people.”

In Youngstown this spring I visited a state of the art new steel pipe mill that cost its French owners over $1 billion to build; at full production it will employ 350 people. The steel mills of the ’60s and ’70s often employed 25,000 to 30,000 people. Manufacturing will not bring back the good jobs we lost.

Whether the United States will continue to make things is one issue. Whether we will be a country where people without college degrees will be able realistically to aspire to something better than near-minimum wage jobs and near-poverty subsistence is another. In 1970, the average male worker without a high school diploma earned 57 percent of what a college graduate made. Today, his equivalent earns only 37 percent of what a college graduate makes. Meanwhile, not only do more jobs require college degrees, or other specialized education, but more and more employers are coming to require a college degree, even for jobs that historically were available to people without degrees. Nearly 40 percent of the jobs in Detroit are filled by people with college degrees, but only 12 percent of the adults in Detroit have such degrees.

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http://www.rooflines.org/3433/manufacturing_may_be_coming_back_but_it_wont_bring_jobs/
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October 4, 2013 8:41am
Pete George

There’s some very recognisable traits in Buzzfeed’s The 12 Types Of People You Find In News Website Comments

1. The free speech martyr.
2. Captain Satire.
3. Freelance accountants.
4. The Resistance.
5. That bloke who just spends an awful lot of his time thinking about gay sex.
6. Definitely, definitely not racists.
7. Jazz bigots.
8. Pedant’s
9. The people who don’t realise websites can have more than one thing on them.
10. The ones whose points are fatally undermined by the fact they also filled out the “location” bit of the comment form.
11. Anybody who says “methinks”.
12. …and commenters with reasonable, informed, well-argued points that illuminate the issue and bring fresh perspectives to the debate.

I could put quite a few names to most categories. Like everyone else I think I’m a 12 of course.

Details and graphics: http://www.buzzfeed.com/tomphillips/the-12-types-of-people-you-find-in-news-webite-comments
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October 4, 2013 8:44am
Simon

“The time of the neolib has ended.”

Yep Cunnlife & Wusel intend to Greek the economy.
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October 4, 2013 8:48am
JeffW

Sam Smith, you’re in la-la land if you think National is anywhere near being neo-lib. The problem in NZ is that we are not neo-lib. The closest we have come was with Roger Douglas, who only saved the country from bankruptcy. I am starting to wish he hadn’t, then perhaps we could have culled the welfare state much harder under worse economic conditions.
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October 4, 2013 8:48am
flipper

Colville…
Yes, try Dead or Alive, Locked On and Threat Vector.

All three presage the NSA/GCHQ/GCSB business.
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October 4, 2013 8:51am
Paulus

Griff

You are sure that the NIWA scientist was dismissed only for speaking out, and not for supplying incorrect figures of New Zealand warming to the IPCC ?

We await the Employment Tribunal case for/against his dismissal, which has not taken place yet I believe.
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October 4, 2013 8:52am
Lance

Yes Simon
We all know the solution is to spend like there is no tomorrow, then tax and borrow… lots, then hope for the best.
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October 4, 2013 8:53am
Camryn

How about a rugby chat? Specifically, the future format of SuperRugby.

I see that SANZAR says it wants a system of two conferences each with nine teams. Within that, some New Zealand coaches proposed that South Africa would have three teams per conference, Australia three in one conference and two + Japan in the other, and New Zealand three and two + Pacific Islands.

SANZAR replied that it doesn’t meet all of their “three definites”: two conferences of nine, SAF gets 6 teams, and Argentina gets a team. This is where I say *WTF?* – why does SAF get six teams as a definite?

I know they naturally have six groupings and none of them want to merge. Fine. Their problem. If they get six teams then they get six guys per position practicing at SuperRugby level. It won’t be good for us in the long term at international level.

There has been talk of allowing NZ players who contract with any SuperRugby team to be AB eligible. That could fix the problem. But I’d suggest the most fair option would be for each of the “major” nations (Australia unfortunately included) to get 5 teams and each minor nation (Japan, Argentina, combined Pacific) to get one (and it has to be primarily based in their paired major nation). SANZAR needs to drop “six for SAF” as a rule.
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October 4, 2013 8:55am
Elaycee

Samuel Smith / HamnidaV2 / Hambone / Whatever he / she wants to call himself / herself this week, asks:

Have people grown sick of Key?

It appears the polls have reached the same answer for several years …. The ‘preferred leader’ sure as hell isn’t your latest hero…. 😯
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October 4, 2013 8:57am
James Stephenson

Now taking bets on whether Cunliffe’s “bounce” manages to fly further than Rudd’s did…
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October 4, 2013 8:59am
Dennis Horne

Beyond my comprehension why anyone would thumb-down hj. Quotes from a report; uncomfortable truth.

The money we use to pay for our manufactured goods is earned largely by producing food. Seems to me an economy built on people serving and amusing each other is mostly fraud. This economic activity produces tax, not wealth. No wonder we have debt we’ll never repay. To improve our standard of living we need fewer people, not more.

Of course if we allow in people with lots of money we can fool ourselves for a while.
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October 4, 2013 9:00am
flipper

Griff (6,113) Says:
October 4th, 2013 at 8:22 am
The same was done here hj
a niwa scientist was sacked for speaking out about AGW
*****

Speaking about silly Jimmy Salinger are you serial liar?

Take your lies, half truths, and misrepresentations, and peddle them elsewhere.
Alternatively, put on your Rip Van Winkle fancy dress. When you awake the world will still be progressing. and all your CATASTROPHIC GLOBAL warming shit will be no more credible THEN, than it is 20 years after it was first postulated.

Just a broken, dumb fuck, record!
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October 4, 2013 9:01am
Twinkletoes

Griff

If you are talking about Jim Salinger – he was sacked because he kept making public statements on behalf of NIWA when it was not in his mandate to do so. He was not their public spokesman, just thought he was. And he had been warned about doing this before.
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October 4, 2013 9:04am
iMP

QTopia, the publicly funded community support youth group with two Board members involved in scandals in one week, one has a police complaint laid against them,. Who are they? What do they do? See here:

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/10/03/3-who-are-qtopia/
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October 4, 2013 9:06am
wikiriwhis business

Will NY Times, owned by the folks who own the Federal Reserve System, publish this comment on http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2013/10/01/should-states-operate-public-banks/public-banks-are-essential-to-capitalism?

“Before dollars collapse, twenty eight states should rapidly join the other twenty two states that are looking into establishing state banks. While they are at it, state legislatures should also declare gold and silver as legal tender. The unconstitutional Federal Reserve system was foisted upon the US in an act of stealth: http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi/noframes/read/44519 The flood of run-away fractional fiat dollars issued in the euphemism referred to as “quantitative easing” has just about ended the dollar’s status as international reserve currency. Brazil, Russia, India, China, and South Africa announced that they will not finance their trade in dollars. The BRICS nations account for more than 25% of world trade.
On July 7 GOFO (gold forward offered rate) went negative. In effect it means the end of gold leasing. Firms that offer gold for lease ask too high a price for their service. Governments are scraping the bottom of their gold barrels. When GOFO went negative in 1971, the US. government defaulted on all of its international gold obligations. In January the US Treasury gave a paper audit to Germany that was also not worth the paper it was written on. http://www.treasury.gov/about/organizational-structure/ig/Audit%20Reports%20and%20Testimonies/OIG13031.pdf
Then the Federal Reserve refused to return 300 tons of gold to Germany for seven years in an act of war.” #karenhudes
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October 4, 2013 9:09am
hj

Elaycee (3,658) Says:
It appears the polls have reached the same answer for several years …. The ‘preferred leader’ sure as hell isn’t your latest hero…. 😯
……………………
The Greens argue that when they split from the left the green part lacked support and shrivelled.
In a recent post by Mombiot about silencing scientists in the U.K a commenter noted that the public still vote for those parties (accused of silencing scientists- U.K Canada, Australia). The choice is between optimistic free market promising growth based on carbon ( a horse the public has seen running) versus redistribution (the ferals, welfare mould) versus an (unknown) utopian Amish society based on values.
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October 4, 2013 9:10am
RRM

To keep GD a happy place this friday, we should make a list of politicians with very amusing names 😀

I’ll start the ball rolling with

John Boehner

Ed Balls

Lyndon Johnson

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October 4, 2013 9:11am
Pete George

I know it’s a long way from Auckland but…

Quake strikes close to Te Anau

A moderately strong earthquake has struck close to the West Coast town of Te Anau overnight.

…surely they have maps of the whole country at NZ Herald offices in the Waikato town of Auckland.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11134612
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October 4, 2013 9:23am
Azeraph

Cultural cognition. Makes people rethink their position. The gay guy should of taken the opposition, not because I’m a PC bitch but because he knows how to work them.
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October 4, 2013 9:33am
wikiriwhis business

NSA director admits to misleading public on terror plots

The administration has been amping up stats about foiled plots to bolster support for mass surveillance

In so many words, NSA director Keith Alexander admitted Wednesday that the Obama administration had issued misleading information about terror plots and their foiling to bolster support for the government’s vast surveillance apparatus.

During Wednesday’s hearing, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy pushed Alexander to admit that plot numbers had been fudged in a revealing interchange:

“There is no evidence that [bulk] phone records collection helped to thwart dozens or even several terrorist plots,” said Leahy. The Vermont Democrat then asked the NSA chief to admit that only 13 out of a previously cited 54 cases of foiled plots were genuinely the fruits of the government’s vast dragnet surveillance systems:

“These weren’t all plots, and they weren’t all foiled,” Leahy said, asking Alexander, “Would you agree with that, yes or no?”

“Yes,” replied Alexander.

Proof positive of what many of us have long posited: that under the flimsy guise of a targeted War on Terror, the surveillance state has established itself with little regard for an honest relationship with the American public.

http://www.salon.com/2013/10/02/nsa_director_admits_to_misleading_public_on_terror_plots/
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October 4, 2013 9:35am
Reid

And there it is: the bubble. Elite feminists and their devotees all hang out in the same environment and thus aren’t used to having their views challenged. To them, it’s very simple: If you subscribe to the woman-as-victim meme, you’re an immediate member of the club. If you don’t, you’re a bona fide nut.
I can’t fathom being so blind…..” – Suzanne Venker.

Very good post Harriet. It’s a shame girls leaving high school aren’t told: when you get to university you’ll be exposed to an almost universal lie. That to “get ahead” you need to abandon your femininity and become like men. You’ve got to act like men, you’ve got to think like men. You have to become aggressive competitors in every field, you’ve got to to override your natural instincts, otherwise you’ll be walked over and end up as one of life’s losers.

Everyone around you will be telling you to do this from your professors to your peers. Don’t Listen. If you do, you’ll wind up frustrated, childless, unfulfilled in every single way. If you want to get ahead, focus on this:

Refine these qualities, really embody them and live them in every moment you get the chance to. Make them be a magical part of what other people feel from you.

Surrender
Reception
Emotion
Radiance
Flow
Sensuality
Nurturing
Affection
Sharing
Gentleness
Patience
Love

and instead of looking for good-looking guys who are GIB, look for guys with these qualities:

Freedom
Direction
Logic
Focus
Integrity
Stability
Passion
Independence
Discipline
Confidence
Aware
Authentic

Realize these qualities exist and they can add to your radiance, beauty, and how you connect with other human beings.

If only children were told that and taught that, eh Harriet?

http://ryzeonline.com/12-top-feminine-and-12-top-masculine-traits-that-could-change-your-life/
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October 4, 2013 9:36am
flipper

My Brother-in-Law, resident in Florida, sums up the US economic/political situation in a delightful, and telling way:

*** On a brighter note, here we go down the road to oblivion again. I wonder how long it will take before people realize life carries on without a Govt. “
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October 4, 2013 9:51am
wikiriwhis business

‘I wonder how long it will take before people realize life carries on without a Govt. “

How long life could go on without the Federal Reserve and Reserve Banks
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October 4, 2013 9:54am
wikiriwhis business

Air New Zealand has confirmed plans to cut services between Wellington and Australia. The proposal to cut an average of two return flights a week from early next year comes after the national carrier said it was axing services between Auckland and Masterton, and Wellington and Whanganui. http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9242512/Air-NZ-to-cut-capital-flights-to-Aussie
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October 4, 2013 9:55am
Sidey

I could put quite a few names to most categories. Like everyone else I think I’m a 12 of course.

PG, I think that automatically makes you a no. 2!

2. Captain Satire.
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October 4, 2013 9:57am
Harriet

Boehner…….he’s not a hard Conservative RMM…..he’s a flaccid metrosexual like Key……he’s a RINO 😎
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October 4, 2013 9:58am
wikiriwhis business

HBO holds premiere of film ‘Muhammad Ali’s Greatest Fight’ at Louisville center
Boxer’s battle with the draft is the focus of the new film

Muhammad and Laila Ali headlined a list of celebrities and dignitaries attending the U.S. premiere of the HBO film “Muhammad Ali’s Greatest Fight” Wednesday night at the Muhammad Ali Center.

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20131002/NEWS01/310030024/HBO-holds-premiere-film-Muhammad-Ali-s-Greatest-Fight-Louisville-center
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October 4, 2013 10:06am
flipper

The Federal Reserve is NOT part of the US Federal Government.

Perhaps, if you feel so strongly on natters such the Fed and the Reserve Bank, you should put your views to Mr Goitre Chin and his idiot disciples.
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October 4, 2013 10:18am
alwyn

wikiriwhis @ 9.55am above referenced a story un the Dom/Post about Air NZ cutting flights from Wellingto to Australia.
About two thirds of the way down the story there is an admission from the Mayor, Celia Wade-Brown, that she has known about this for two months. During this time she has been promoting the extension of the runway, at ratepayers’ expense, on the “Field of Dreams” theory that “build it and they will come”.
Does anyone have any doubt that if it had been John Morrison had been the one who knew about it the blaring headline in the Dom/Post would have been along the lines of “Massive coverup by Morrison”.
What other bad news does Celia know about that she isn’t letting on, hoping desperately that she can cover things up until after the election voting closes?
The Dom/Post columnist, Dave Armstrong, who is a Wade-Brown Luvvy from way back also publishs gems about the mayoral candidates implying that the Greenie Celia is the only one who is really suitable for mayor and that she is young and energetic.
Meanwhile he denigrates Nicola Young as being as old as Old St Pauls. Surprise, surprise. Nicola is 58 and Celia is, wait for it only 57.
Why doesn’t the Dom/Post start being impartial in its political coverage?
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October 4, 2013 10:22am
Redbaiter

Breaking Bad. I normally never watch this kind of TV. Never seen any of its like genre, these never ending series from the US that glorify and propogate moral degeneration, but I have to admit I’ve been sucked in by Breaking Bad. Ann Coulter has written an intersting article on the show that some might like to read. Here’s an excerpt-

Soon, we begin to realize that Walt’s first malevolent acts — the ones we went along with! — made it easier for him to rationalize the next one and the next, until there’s no limit to what he won’t do, including violently attacking his wife, kidnapping his infant daughter, ordering the murder of his virtual-son, Jesse, and, perhaps most sinisterly, coldly informing Jesse that he had stood and watched as Jane choked to death.

He hadn’t made any of these increasingly depraved moral choices for “his family” — as he finally admits in the last episode. It was for himself, to feed his pride.

Walt followed his “personal ethics” — which Pope Francis has reportedly said is good enough for God. “Breaking Bad” demonstrates what the Proverbs teach: There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death.

The complete article is here.
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October 4, 2013 10:22am
Redbaiter

A good article from American Spectator on the leftist’s holy grain of equality and how that state (or the state that leftists perceive as equality) is always going to be enforced by government compulsion. The article is called “Why Equality Must Die”.

Take a look at the following list and tell me if anything strikes you:

Prudence
Justice
Temperance
Courage
Faith
Hope
Charity

Viewing these, the Seven Cardinal Virtues, anything make an impression? Okay, now try the Seven Heavenly Virtues of:

Chastity
Temperance
Charity
Diligence
Patience
Kindness
Humility

Anything? What strikes me is that equality is not among them.

Scour great works, such as the Bible, and you won’t find talk of equality. Not one bit — that is, unless you consider The Communist Manifesto a great work.

One thing about virtues — which are defined as “good moral habits” — is that their exercise doesn’t require the cooperation, or compulsion, of another person. I can cultivate prudence, temperance, courage and the other virtues in myself, and I can do it all by myself. So while a virtuous society is desirable, virtue can also be a purely personal goal. And this is one time when focusing on the self needn’t be selfish, for we should take the log out of our own eyes before worrying about the speck in our brother’s.

But equality is far different. Just as there can be no numerical equality without at least two numbers, there can be no human equality on an island with a population of one. And while you could increase patience through personal change, increasing equality necessitates societal change; it involves raising people up as much as they’re able — which requires their cooperation — and insofar as they’re unable, it involves bringing others down. This is where compulsion enters the equation. The point is that, unlike with virtues, increasing equality is always an endeavor of the collective.

Excerpt only. You can read more here.
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October 4, 2013 10:30am
dime

Red – i tried the first few episodes of Breaking Bad. i just couldnt get into it. too bleak.

maybe i was in the wrong frame of mind. everyone seems to loe it. its almost over hyped.
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October 4, 2013 10:35am
Redbaiter

Chris Matthews is a far left progressive (read communist) television commentator in the US. He received some notoriety for his slavish promotion of Brokeback Obama especially when he said Obama when speaking had the ability to “send tingles up my leg”.

A few days ago Matthews made an interesting assessment of Tea Party rep Ted Cruz.

MSNBC host Chris Matthews said Tuesday that President Obama has finally met his match in Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas).

Yes, the same person he has referred to as a political “terrorist” and compared to notorious Nazi sympathizer Father Coughlin.

Matthews’ comments were made shortly after he referred to the Texas senator’s Obamacare defund strategy as “brilliant.”

“I think Ted Cruz is brilliant,” Matthews said Tuesday morning during a discussion on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe.”

“The president has met his match in this guy. He set this thing up months ago with no budget agreement, therefore no appropriations, therefore the government would be completely exposed this morning, at midnight last night, to completely shut down. He knows what he’s doing,” he adds.

Obama has finally met his match.
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October 4, 2013 10:37am
flipper

RRM above poses an interesting question or two…

*** ” …. make a list of politicians with very amusing names 😀

I’ll start the ball rolling with ….. Lyndon Johnson . ***
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Yes Lyndon Baines Johnson was, in his own way, an amusing and exceedingly interesting fellow, with a lumberjack-like rough hand-shake, that belied an ability to cut to the case.

When the withdrawal of US troops from France, post de Gaulle’s election, was not as complete nor as going as fast as the Cross of Lorraine wanted, Donald Rumsfeld delivered that message to President Lyndon B J, who, according to Rumsfeld, thought for a moment and then told Rumsfeld to deliver the following response, “word for fucking word”:

“Ask fucking de Gaulle, how soon he would like us to return the bodies of the dead US soldiers buried on his fucking ranch.”

Yep, Lyndon Johnson is an amusing name. 🙂
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October 4, 2013 10:37am
Redbaiter

“Red – i tried the first few episodes of Breaking Bad. i just couldnt get into it.”

Series 2 & 3 are much better. Its got pretty deep themes, and yes it is at times bleak. Good word.
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October 4, 2013 10:39am
Harriet

Flipper.

Piece of useless information for you:

“….Lyndon Baines Johnson…’

He was and still is known as Lyndon B. Johnson.

The B is credited to his wife’s name – I presume her Sir name. I’m not actually sure what his middle name is or even if he has one, but I once read that somewhere.

Edit: And I think he only took the B -Baines when he became President, but I might be wrong on that point.
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October 4, 2013 10:52am
RRM

Maybe I should have said Boris Johnson instead and kept it current.

But I didn’t want to discriminate against amusing names from history! 😎

Edit: beaten… http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/11/17/awesomely-bad-politician-names_n_784520.html#s184067&title=Dick_Swett
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October 4, 2013 10:58am
Elaycee

Memo to the morons who still believe that extending the runway at Wellington Airport will suddenly result in an influx of new airlines wanting to fly into the Capital:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11134744

Airlines (quite rightly) make commercial decisions. And if the numbers don’t stack up, they’ll change their schedule or may even cancel services. And it won’t matter one jot whether the runway is 1936 / 2500 / 3000 metres long!
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October 4, 2013 10:59am
Fletch

Obama’s Union buddies must be shaking their heads.
Here he is on TV trying to come up with an analogy about the government closing down, but doesn’t realize he is speaking against . . striking?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HEHKBqlpYwM

“Everybody here just does their job, right? If you’re working here and in the middle of the day you just stopped and said ‘you know what, I want to get something, but I don’t know exactly what I’m gonna get. I’m just going to stop working till I get something – I’m just going to shut down the whole plant until I get something’ – You’d get fired, right?

Cuz the deal is, you’ve already gotten hired. You’ve got a job. You’re getting a paycheck. ..And so you also are getting the pride of doing a good job, and contributing to a business, and looking out for your fellow workers. That’s what you’re getting. It shouldn’t be any different for a member of Congress.”

Too funny 😆
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October 4, 2013 11:02am
nickb

Breaking Bad. I normally never watch this kind of TV. Never seen any of its like genre, these never ending series from the US that glorify and propogate moral degeneration, but I have to admit I’ve been sucked in by Breaking Bad. Ann Coulter has written an intersting article on the show that some might like to read. Here’s an excerpt-

Good man Redbaiter! Thought I was the only fan on this blog.

Dime, stick at it. It is very very good, Walt’s transformation during the show makes for gripping viewing.

I am gutted its ended. Getting started on The Wire now.
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October 4, 2013 11:05am
Fletch

Mark Levin threatens to bring the pain if Obama lays a hand on any one of those WWII veterans that are being kept from visiting war memorials that Obama has “shut down” is his fake show; open air memorials that need no staff to man them anyway (including the Fredericksburg National Cemetery).

“I want to tell you folks something — I want to say this loud and clear to the people who are on Capitol Hill who are listening, to this administration: You lay one damn hand on one of those World War II vets at that memorial, I’ll bring half a million people to that damn memorial,” Levin said. “You got that? I’m sitting here stewing thinking about this — playing these damn games. You will ignite a movement in this country like you have never seen before — the biker patriot army, veterans from all over the country, every single war and battle in this country — Republican, Democrat, Independent, whatever.”

“I’ll be damned if one president with his feet up on the desk in the Oval Office, with a smirk on his face, looking at his golf cart — I’ll be damned if this president or anybody else is going to shut down that World War II Memorial, period,” he continued. “These men are in their 80s and 90s, so let me repeat: You lay one hand on one of those men and arrest them for going to their memorial, which they fought, which was not paid by you, dammit — was paid by the American people — we will come out of every town and city in this nation, we will come out of every county on both coasts, both borders and we will march on Washington against your tyranny. You have been warned.”

Levin iterated that the sentiment was heartfelt and was in no way a stunt.

“This isn’t intended to be controversial,” he added. “This isn’t intended to be a joke. This is exactly how I feel in my heart and soul. I take this very personally. My grandfather fought at Iwo Jima and he fought at Guam. And my great uncle fought at Guadalcanal. And I’ll be damned if this community activist is going to shut down their memorial. They beat the Germans. They beat the Nazis. They beat the Japanese. They beat fascist Italy. And I’m not going to allow as one person, this administration, these people to beat them now that they’re in their 80s and 90s. No damn way.”
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October 4, 2013 11:06am
alwyn

Harriet & Flipper

The Baines in Lyndon Johnson’s name was his mother’s maiden name.
She was born Rebekah Baines on 11/10/1877 (or 10/11/1877 as I am never sure which way dates in American sourced material work)
He was christened that way.
You may be thinking of Harry S Truman. He always used the S but it didn’t stand for anything. Apparently his parents couldn’t make up their mind in a second name and just used the letter S.
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October 4, 2013 11:08am
dime

nick – ill give it a shot at some stage.

The Wire is a great show. Rated the best of all time by many.. not sure id go that far but its enjoyable.
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October 4, 2013 11:09am
wikiriwhis business

Prime Minister John Key has come under heavy fire for his acceptance of Australia’s right to discriminate against New Zealanders living in Australia.

Mr Key said after meeting Australian counterpart Tony Abbott in Canberra on Wednesday that he acknowledged a deal between the previous governments of John Howard and Helen Clark that in February 2001 led to the exclusion of expats from most government support and welfare programmes.

He said he “totally respected” Australia’s sovereign right to make decisions about its treatment of people who came to live and work in Australia.

But his acceptance of Australia’s position has further inflamed New Zealand advocates mounting a growing crusade against the rules that require Kiwis to pay full taxes without receiving the benefits.

Critics reject claims the rules were part of a social security agreement.

Australia imposed the rules unilaterally after the two governments failed to reach a deal on harmonisation of immigration policies and recompense for welfare payments to the citizens of each other’s country.

-NZ HERALD
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October 4, 2013 11:14am
kowtow

So Tom Clancy has a new book coming out and at the same time all this exposure and publicity around his death…..can’t be a coincidence…. the lengths some people will go to for a bit of free advertising.
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October 4, 2013 11:23am
dime

If kiwis dont like it, dont fucking move there!

its like people that buy a house next to western springs and complain about noise. fuck em.
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October 4, 2013 11:24am
cha

Monkey brains.

http://youtu.be/PItjzO0vhMI
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October 4, 2013 11:25am
Redbaiter

Controversial artist Jon McNaughton is standing up for gun rights in his latest painting.

“America is about freedom. We believe in strong families, patriotism, God, and justice. We won’t bother you if you don’t bother us . . . well, that’s the way it should be,” McNaughton stated about the piece.

http://tampa.cbslocal.com/2013/10/03/mcnaughtons-latest-painting-depicts-american-standing-up-for-gun-rights/
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October 4, 2013 11:36am
Fletch

An expert on the Constitution in America says that if the bill to defund Obamacare had been submitted on its own, the Senate would not have been able to do anything about it, because the House alone has the power to fund or not.

In a 230/189 vote the U.S. House of Representative recently voted to fund the government but defund Obamacare. Can it do so constitutionally? Historically throughout the ages, the people have had little freedom from excessive government which became the cause of the American Revolution. Ramses, an Egyptian Pharaoh, made the Israelite slaves gather their own straw in addition to making the bricks. The greatest concerns of the masses have always been excessive taxation and unpopular wars because the first took their hard earned money and the second potentially their lives. Under the Constitution, and for the first time in history, they could prevent either.

Everything hinged upon funding which was given exclusively to the House of Representatives—the only power that they alone had. “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.” To fund anything, in this case Obamacare, first approval is required by the House of Representatives. If that does not happen taxpayer money cannot be spent. The people, through their representatives to Congress, have determined, after a three-year closer scrutiny of The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), that it does not protect the patient, is not affordable and is not even workable; hence in the interests of the vast majority of the people needs to be defunded.

Spending can only occur after raising revenue and since only one body is authorized to initiate this, it follows that if they refuse to initiate it the issue ends, regardless of what the Senate chooses to do. Refusal is understood. Neither Senate or Presidential acceptance is necessary as on other bills—the people have spoken. If the House won’t do the necessary first part, second and third parts cannot follow.

Again, if the bill to defund Obamacare is submitted as a stand-alone bill, it doesn’t matter if the Senate approves it or not. If the House does not want it, it cannot be funded.

http://www.libertyunderfire.org/2013/09/authority-to-refuse-obamacare-funding-belongs-to-the-house-alone/
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October 4, 2013 11:41am
mikenmild

Fletch
What about the debt ceiling? How do the respective powers of House and Senate come into play there?
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October 4, 2013 11:47am
Fletch

mm, beats me. I haven’t read anything about that.
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October 4, 2013 11:48am
publicwatchdog

Auckland Councillor Penny Webster (Chair of the Auckland Council Strategy and Finance Committee) is standing again as a candidate in this election.

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/HowCouncilWorks/Elections/Documents/rodneywardcandidateprofiles.pdf

Should Penny Webster be disqualified under the Local Authorities (Members’ Interests) Act 1968, because she and her husband have entered into transactions with the Auckland Council Group, totalling $32,189 during 2012, for services provided by their jointly-owned private company, All Rural Fencing Limited ?

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/planspoliciesprojects/reports/annual_report/Documents/annualreport20122013volume3.pdf (Pg 80 ) ]

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All Rural Fencing Limited (NZ Companies Office)
http://www.business.govt.nz/companies/app/ui/pages/companies/1512665/directors

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http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1968/0147/latest/DLM390003.html#DLM390021

Disqualifying contracts between local authorities and their members

(1) Except as provided in subsection (3), no person shall be capable of being elected as or appointed to be or of being a member of a local authority or of any committee of a local authority, if the total of all payments made or to be made by or on behalf of the local authority in respect of all contracts made by it in which that person is concerned or interested exceeds $25,000 in any financial year.

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SHOULD PENNY WEBSTER BE ELIGIBLE TO STAND AS AN AUCKLAND COUNCIL CANDIDATE?

I have just rung the OAG (PA to Lynn Provost ) and asked if Penny Webster had applied for and received any dispensation, given that in 2012 All Rural Fencing Ltd had ‘entered into transactions with the Auckland Council Group totaling $32,189 for services provided by their jointly-owned private company, All Rural Fencing Limited .

The question that also needs to be asked is why Penny Webster, and ONLY Penny Webster was mentioned in the Auckland Council 2012 – 2013 Annual Report – 32 RELATED PARTIES ?
[ http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/planspoliciesprojects/reports/annual_report/Documents/annualreport20122013volume3.pdf (Pg 80 ) ]

32 RELATED PARTIES
Related parties
Related parties are defined in the group’s accounting policies.

The group enters into numerous transactions such as rates, water charges and the sale of goods or services with related parties in the ordinary course of business and on an arm’s length basis.
No disclosure has been made for these transactions.

Certain related parties have directorships and trustee positions in a number of entities to which the group transacts in the normal course of business, on standard terms. No disclosure is made for these relationships as the related parties do not have a controlling interest in the council or the entity that they are a director or trustee. The group transacts with entities that are related by virtue of related parties having a controlling interest in the related entity as detailed below:

The group entered into transactions totalling $32,189 with All Rural Fencing Limited during the year
(2012: $920). An amount of $4,313 was payable at balance date (2012: $nil).
The council entered into transactions totalling $4,313 with All Rural Fencing Limited during the year
(2012: $920). An amount of $4,313 was payable at balance date (2012: $nil)
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“Rodney councillor Penny Webster says that at a time when household budgets are tight, the council cannot afford the $12 million to $15 million cost of mowing berms for the whole region. ..”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11133160
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The blinding hypocrisy of Auckland Councillor Penny Webster sickens me. Councillor Penny Webster, (Chair of the Auckland Council Strategy and Finance Committee), wants citizens and ratepayers to provide their lawn-mowing services free of charge, although there is no legal requirement to so do, while she and her husband have their snouts in the public through transactions with the Auckland Council Group, totalling $32,189 during 2012, for services provided by their jointly-owned private company, All Rural Fencing Limited.

In my considered opinion, this is a clear ‘conflict of interest’.

As an anti-corruption /anti-privatisation ‘Public Watchdog’, I am totally opposed to any elected representatives personally profiting from contracts with Council or Council-Controlled-Organisations (CCOs) .

I believe in the ‘public service model’, where people seek public office to look after the public and the public interest, not to ‘feather their own nests’, and enrich themselves from the public purse.

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I also asked why the statutory requirements of the Public Records Act 2005, (s.17) had not been met in the Auckland Council 2012 -2013 Annual Report, because there are no ‘devilish details’ provided regarding contracts with the private sector.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

Recordkeeping requirements
Subpart 1—Key duties
17 Requirement to create and maintain records

(1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.
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Here’s the 2012 – 2013 Auckland Council Annual Report:

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/planspoliciesprojects/reports/annual_report/Documents/annualreport20122013volume3.pdf

See if you can find the NAMES of the consultants/contractors ; SCOPE / TERM VALUE of contracts between Auckland Council / Auckland Council CCOs / Auckland Council Local Boards?

I couldn’t.

In my considered opinion, the problem with Auckland Council, as proven by this 2012- 2013 Annual Report – is that ‘the books’ are NOT open – and we are NOT given the ‘devilish detail’ which explains exactly where our public monies are being spent, invested or borrowed.

This is why, if and when I am elected Mayor pf Auckland Council, I will establish an Auckland Mayoral ‘Commission Against Corruption’, and will ‘open the books’, in order to find out where every dollar of citizen and ratepayer’s monies are being spent, invested and borrowed.

This Auckland Mayoral ‘Commission Against Corruption’ will be staffed by a small team of forensic investigators, (whom I shall appoint, and who will report directly to me), funded directly from the Mayoral Office, using the budget which is set aside in order to help achieve the Auckland ‘Mayoral Vision.’

My Auckland Mayoral Vision is – to stop the corrupt corporate control of the Auckland region.

Here is my ‘Action Plan’ to stop ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

For those who really want to know who is running the Auckland region, ‘like a business, by business, for business’ – check for yourselves http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz (membership).

Penny Bright

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz
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October 4, 2013 11:59am
cha

# mike

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-m-shane/what-the-president-should_2_b_911932.html

http://www.columbialawreview.org/how-to-choose-the-lease-unconstitutional-option/
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October 4, 2013 12:00pm
mikenmild

Thanks cha. Looking for the least bad option again.
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October 4, 2013 12:05pm
wikiriwhis business

Fukushima is releasing 300,000 tons of radioactive water into the Ocean every single day! Why is nobody covering this? This will affect all of humanity for a longg time
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October 4, 2013 12:11pm
Griff

Flippy.
Are you doing P?
Your post to me read like psycho shit bro.
Better put down that pipe before it fries your brains any more. 😆

Also saying some one was lying then agreeing the guy was sacked for speaking out about climate change is the sort of thing I expect from a wingnut.

Especially an idiot who e mails DPF a blog post from an ex kiddy tv presenter to disprove the work of

209 Lead Authors and 50 Review Editors from 39 countries and more than 600 Contributing Authors from 32 countries with over 2000 published science papers in support.

You have been asked to prove I lie many times and have not given any thing put psycho dribble in reply.

I doubt you will get back on your precious National party committee next time round. National prefers to select rational people and your stupidity is public record on here.

Paulus (1,955) Says:
October 4th, 2013 at 8:52 am

Griff
You are sure that the NIWA scientist was dismissed only for speaking out, and not for supplying incorrect figures of New Zealand warming to the IPCC ?

Paulus the wing nuts lost the court case over the temperature record.

To paraphrase the judgement.
You guys are fuckwits who dont know squat. If you disagree science there are processes for you to dispute within the discipline. You can pay $60,000 for wasting everyone’s time.

Hence that has nothing to do with Salinger being sacked it was for speaking out about climate change as stated.
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October 4, 2013 12:13pm
iMP

A third Board member at QTopia admits to drug taking.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/10/04/4-another-qtopia-board-member-admits-drug-taking/
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October 4, 2013 12:17pm
Redbaiter

Grief- “You guys are fuckwits who dont know squat.”

There you go.
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October 4, 2013 12:18pm
Griff

Vernacular to much for you redtard?

I had to bring it down to flippys level.

Any one who gets his science from a kiddy tv presenter is not going to understand big words.
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October 4, 2013 12:22pm
wikiriwhis business

‘World’s most evil corporation’ Monsanto buys weather big data company for $930M

Hugh Grant, chairman and CEO of Monsanto. “Everyone benefits when farmers are able to produce more with fewer resources.”

Except that not everyone benefits.

Monsanto’s genetically modified seeds and the resulting crops have damaged public and environmental health and destroyed traditional farming communities all over the world. Its seeds have been linked to cancer and birth defects, and its array of chemicals and GMOs promotes pesticide resistance, spreads gene contaminants, pollutes soil and groundwater, and creates a global monoculture monopoly that presents a significant threat to the global food supply.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/02/idUS356200333620131002
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October 4, 2013 12:22pm
mikenmild

wikiri
re Fukushima, that’s a lot of water – where else could they put it but in the ocean?
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October 4, 2013 12:23pm
stigie

What a fantastic day its been, no bitching, no abuse…

A jolly fine idea that Nasska put up yesterday, seems to be working. Can i hold my breath ?
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October 4, 2013 12:28pm
UglyTruth

where else could they put it but in the ocean?

It’s more of an issue of stopping the water from getting contaminated in the first place.
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October 4, 2013 12:31pm
Redbaiter

Stigie, I can’t follow your reasoning there. There have been a few posts mentioning religion. While debate is more reasonable, the one most obvious reason for that is the absence of the usual obsessive atheist/ anti-christian trolls.

Well, except for Grief, who is doing his bit for his team, as I pointed out above.
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October 4, 2013 12:33pm
mikenmild

Ugly
I’m not sure they have the capacity to keep recycling enough cooling water; so it becomes a question of how much radiation gets released rather than being able to contain it completely.
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October 4, 2013 12:33pm
mikenmild

It’s perfectly fine to mention or even debate religion: a little self restraint will stop it flaming out.
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October 4, 2013 12:35pm
kowtow

stigie

Had fuck all to do with nasska.

There was alot more positivity prior to that.Don the Kiwi ‘s at 115 for example.

Go over to the parliament prayer post and you’ll see kea has not moderated his language or tone at all.Just no one rose to it.
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October 4, 2013 12:36pm
Fletch

Thanks TVNZ for cutting off Dave Dobbyn’s song for ads….
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October 4, 2013 12:37pm
stigie

Yea, but dont you think it should have its own thread Reddy ?
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October 4, 2013 12:39pm
cha

This.

http://www.fastcompany.com/1746753/big-thirst-how-japan%E2%80%99s-fukushima-nuclear-plant-making-%E2%80%9Cradioactive%E2%80%9D-water
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October 4, 2013 12:46pm
cha

The season’s kicked off.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/graphics_at2.shtml?gm_track#contents
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October 4, 2013 12:53pm
Redbaiter

Stigie- Nasska tried to imply that GD was being threatened by people posting comments containing references to religion. I normally do not post such comments, but today I made sure I did. There have been others.

Yet you have stated GD has been relatively serene. “Why?” is the question.

The one marked difference from yesterday is that out of the list of anti-Christian obsessive atheist trolls that Nasska posted, most have stayed away. (Except for Grief and Cha, “monkey brains” who have continued true to form.)

So it is obviously not the odd comment that refers to religion that is the problem. The problem is clearly the hate, the sneering, the smugness and the intolerance of Nasska and his troll group.
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October 4, 2013 12:53pm
mikenmild

The main reason for GD’s relative calm today is that what trolling there has been has not produced a response in kind. Reddy is obviously not going to temper his approach; it remains to be seen whether he continues to be deliberately provocative in abusive terms or whether he settles a bit and engages with the debate topics.
Incidentally, I agree with Reddy (!) about religion on GD – there’s nothing wrong with debating it here. As long as we all acknowledge the superority of pastafarianism to any other religion, of course.
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October 4, 2013 12:58pm
UglyTruth

I’m not sure they have the capacity to keep recycling enough cooling water;

Groundwater is being contaminated as well as cooling water.

http://henrymakow.com/fukushima_-_what_really_happen.html
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October 4, 2013 1:02pm
Redbaiter

“Reddy is obviously not going to temper his approach; it remains to be seen whether he continues to be deliberately provocative in abusive terms”

I have never seen you write one word of complaint about left wingers who come on here and abuse everybody using terms I never use.

How about you quit the holier than thou above it all impartial adjudicator act. The plain truth- you are a common communist who has no other purpose in venturing on to this forum other than to denigrate Conservatives.

I could example many a comment from you where you have encouraged your abusive comrades.

Quit the transparently false objective act. And the pretence to care for decorum. Its very nauseating in its falsity.
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October 4, 2013 1:10pm
Griff

Redtard
You dont like me posting on climate change.
I only pointed out that New Zealand has silenced a scientist for speaking out to add more depth to hj”s comment .
That has a very slight link to religion.
Wingnuts are propagating an anti science religious belief in their denial of reality.

As to hate, the sneering, the smugness and the intolerance.

pot kettle black

conservonutters* are guilty of this and you are the leading perpetrator.

*conservonutters does not include the rational conservatives just the wingnuts who persist in using the word prog and synonyms of. This is a socially liberal, neoliberal economically political blog belonging to DPF not redtards truebluenz hence conservonutters are the trolls on here
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October 4, 2013 1:10pm
wikiriwhis business

Rand Paul

“They are not going to default, all governments like us they default by giving money with less value, they are good at that. But they are not going to not send the checks out, you think of what happened in’09 when the financial system worldwide was collapsing. The Fed was involved with trillions, some estimate up to 15 trillion in secret they bailed out banks, foreign government, foreign central banks. nobody knew. Are they goign to allow our treasury bill interest not to be paid? They are capable doing whatever they want, all they have to do is write an executive order or whatever.”

http://youtu.be/JCywnsBv4cA
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October 4, 2013 1:13pm
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9244886/Shooting-dramas-Kiwi-star

Funny 🙂
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October 4, 2013 1:13pm
stigie

Kowtow says…
Had fuck all to do with nasska.

Go and have a look at Nasska’s comment at 7.02pm yesterday.
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October 4, 2013 1:23pm
mikenmild

Reddy
I have had a change of heart. Sometimes it is fun to feed the trolls and it is always fun to mock your beliefs. But I much prefer to engage with topics, even when I could have no respect for the opposing point of view. It doesn’t have to degenerate to mutual name calling.
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October 4, 2013 1:23pm
wikiriwhis business

Shooting drama’s Kiwi star

A New Zealander has rocketed to stardom in the United States for his shirtless interview following a lockdown at Washington DC’s Capitol Hill.

Matthew Jacobs, of Wellington, saw the drama unfold when a woman in a black car tried to ram a barricade at the White House, before driving into a police car and leading officers on a chase to Capitol Hill, where she was killed by a volley of bullets.

The US Capitol is the equivalent of New Zealand’s Parliament buildings, housing both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

Police have said it was an isolated incident and wasn’t related to any terrorist attack.

The shirtless, 26-year-old Jacobs was thrown into the limelight when media crowded around him to get his eye-witness account of the astonishing events.

Jacobs was apparently on a bike at the time of the interview. Social media lapped it up, even more so when they heard he had followed the action on his bike after seeing the car try to ram the barriers at the White House.

National Journal staff writer Matt Vasilogambros christened Jacobs the “Bro Witness” and the name, and Jacobs’ image, spread like wildfire.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/9244886/Shooting-dramas-Kiwi-star
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October 4, 2013 1:24pm
lilman

Watched the Team NZ welcome back highlights on lunch news and was just amazed at the screeching ,wailing and roaring from the Maori welcome party.
The things you see when you don’t have a gun.
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October 4, 2013 1:26pm
Fletch

a woman in a black car tried to ram a barricade at the White House, before driving into a police car and leading officers on a chase to Capitol Hill, where she was killed by a volley of bullets.

She was shot to death? WTF?
Unbelievable, really.
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October 4, 2013 1:40pm
Redbaiter

“She was shot to death? WTF?”

Yeah I was disgusted by that too.

Cops in the US have become authoritarian statist thugs.

Another outcome of progressivism.
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October 4, 2013 1:47pm
Redbaiter

“Go and have a look at Nasska’s comment at 7.02pm yesterday.”

I did. Please tell me how this makes you think he is due any credit for more orderly discussion today.

His message implied that if posts relating to religion were reduced, so would order improve. IOW, he and his band of thug trolls would stop their hate and intolerance if this happened.

Well, we’re still making comments with a religious theme. Nothing has changed there. Maybe even more so. The only difference is Nasska and his thug trolls have not yet put in an appearance. (except for Grief and Cha.)

As I tried to point out to you above, (12:53pm) I see it as just the opposite to you.

So please explain your interesting POV.
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October 4, 2013 1:54pm
Redbaiter

“I have had a change of heart.”

Well haw haw. That is just so convenient ain’t it?

Such a Chameleon.
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