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hj

Posted on October 22, 2013
By Richard Prebble
Most voters think “since we have had MMP governments have been forced to be more moderate”. I think it is not long enough to tell. MMP could mean governments might be even nuttier. MMP might mean the tail can wag the dog.
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Rich coming from someone who unilaterally decided to alter immigration policy to a degree that at Maori and Pakeha will likely be out numbered by Asians in the years ahead (a policy which has shot us in the foot according to the independent Savings Working Group).

http://www.nzcpr.com/a-labourgreen-government-should-we-worry/
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October 31, 2013 8:01am
kowtow

More interfering from the ever growing Nanny state. Booze tent at school fair opposed by the booze busters.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/279186/health-officials-oppose-school-fair-alcohol-tent
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October 31, 2013 8:02am
Yvette

Mr Brown says most councillors recognise the affair is a private matter for him, and he will be committing more time to his family during this term.

“Much of what I’ve been through reflects the fact that I need a better work-life balance and I’ll be genuinely looking for that. I’ve had to admit that I’m a workaholic. So all of those things mean that for my family I need to find time.”

The mayor made no reference in his inauguration speech to the controversy over the past fortnight since admitting that he had had a two-year affair with a member of a council advisory panel.

A couple more re-writes by Brown and it will be your fucking fault – you, the people of Auckland who drove your devoted overworking Mayor to it.
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October 31, 2013 8:03am
hj

NZ No 5 on world prosperity list

New Zealand scored in the top 20 for all categories, coming out fifth overall, but slipped two places since the last Legatum Prosperity Index was published in 2009.
The report’s publishers said one of the largest shifts between the two reports was in the safety and security category, where New Zealand dropped from eighth to 15th place. This was “due to increases in demographic pressures, human immigration and group grievances”.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11149067

So immigration can have problems like “demographic pressure”?
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October 31, 2013 8:05am
Bovver

Good news about New Zealand

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11149067

But because it does not fit the narrative over at the Stranded that New Zealand is a terrible place under National it is dismissed out of hand.
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October 31, 2013 8:05am
hj

Heralds Narcissistic Editor says:

Ko lighting way for NZ’s Asia-embracing future
There is one aspect of our increasing embrace of Asia and Asian immigrants that the new Asia New Zealand Foundation study does not accord sufficient weight.
That is the part played by sport, an arena in which no one has had a greater role than Lydia Ko.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/golf/news/article.cfm?c_id=48&objectid=11146554
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October 31, 2013 8:06am
nickb

Good stuff on Taxpayer’s Union DPF!!!! Excellent idea

EDIT: I will be joining today
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October 31, 2013 8:07am
Manolo

Even his friends are having doubts about the incompetent Messiah:
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/30/us/politics/where-the-buck-stops-some-see-a-bystander.html?_r=0

Meanwhile, the satrap dethrones the Kenyan:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/10415198/Forbes-2013-Vladimir-Putin-unseats-Barack-Obama-as-worlds-most-powerful-person.html
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October 31, 2013 8:09am
Dave Mann

The NYT has a disgusting piece of Islamist apologist garbage up online today for everybody to read. Muslim arseholes attack Tiananmen Square with their usual suicide/kill innocents combination and hey presto, the NYT jumps up and blames the Chinese! Its like clockwork. I wonder if this propaganda will be reflected in other media too….

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/31/world/asia/china-says-5-jihadis-are-arrested-in-beijing-attack.html?_r=0
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October 31, 2013 8:10am
Harriet

While conservatives basically want to be left alone, believe in individual liberty, personal responsibility, and limited governmental intrusion, left-wingers want their preferences to become your laws and to impose their belief system on everyone.

Consider these examples: As a conservative, if you don’t want to purchase a 40-ounce soda, what do you do? Simple. Not purchase a 40 ounce soda; get a 20 ounce instead. But if a left-wing liberal doesn’t want a 40-ounce soda, what do they do? They seek to pass laws so that nobody can purchase a 40-ounce soda. If a conservative chooses not to smoke he or she doesn’t buy cigarettes, doesn’t smoke. But if a left-winger doesn’t want to smoke they pass laws banning it for everybody or at least for as many as possible. A conservative thinks a clip that holds 20 rounds is too large for her firearm, she buys a 10-round clip. A left-wing liberal has the same thought and they’re standing on the capitol steps waiving signs decrying how NOBODY should be able to purchase and own a 20-round clip.

A conservative doesn’t think prayer prior to a high school football game is appropriate (not that a true conservative likely would), he simply withholds his child from the prayer session. But a liberal with the same thought goes on the war path. “We’ve got to end that practice! Not my children nor anyone’s children should be out there praying!” “…well, not to Jesus, anyway.” And they lawyer up, contact the ACLU, get letters into the local newspapers and do everything in their power to end the practice of praying before games.

And this list goes on and on and on. They’re perpetually not happy with something, and so seek to pass laws to make their level of unhappiness the rule of the land for EVERYONE, whether everyone else was also unhappy about it or not.

Fuck me …….You progs are mentally ill – go and get some help! 😎

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/10/liberalism_unhappyism_comments.html#disqus_thread
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October 31, 2013 8:12am
Colville

Bovver.

I love it. We is 5th is the world.

The institute’s parent company was founded by Kiwi billionaire Christopher Chandler in 2006.

No home team bias there 🙂
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October 31, 2013 8:14am
Lance

Who’s this suspect character then?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11148975

Again
Well done David!
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October 31, 2013 8:19am
Manolo

Farcical to the extreme. Do as I say, not as I do:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/30/sebelius-rejects-enrolling-obamacare-exchanges/
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October 31, 2013 8:20am
Colville

Harriet.
If unrestricted firearm ownership or forcing me to endure your Goddite bullshit at a game is part of being a Conservonutter then I am happy to call myself a Prog.
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October 31, 2013 8:20am
doggone7

Just in case they don’t make it here today.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11147197

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11149069
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October 31, 2013 8:23am
Longknives

Ba ha ha ha…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/9343220/Rihanna-covers-up-Maori-tattoo

Is Tiki ‘Fuck Da Police’ Taane going to spout off to the media about this? Perhaps blaming evil White folk for Rihanna’s change of heart?
Or maybe Rihanna simply realised that she didn’t want to be associated with the Ethnic group with the worst child abuse/murder stats on the planet…
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October 31, 2013 8:27am
hj

NZ No 5 on world prosperity list
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At the end of WW2 we had the 3rd highest standard of living in the world with half the population.
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October 31, 2013 8:33am
Harriet

“…..Perhaps that I think the world would be a better place with no nation states, and a one world government….”

Jeez…….DPF basically admitted in the Herald that he is a totalitarian!

As was said in Australia when the Greens former leader Bob Brown suggested the same:

“….Cubans, North koreans and Australians too, can at least escape or defect from living under a government that they do not want, but the only way for any one individual on the entire planet to leave from the authority of a one world government is to actually kill yourself. It’s immoral and a very dangerous ideal…..” – or something very like it was said, and I think it was Andrew Bolt who said it, but I might be wrong on that.
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October 31, 2013 8:35am
Manolo

DPF has never denied his progressive affiliation. After all he’s a member of the National Party. 🙂
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October 31, 2013 8:38am
wreck1080

Ha , I knew the LVR would be a disaster…

One of New Zealand’s largest home builders says new loan restrictions have cost it 24 new-home builds in the first month alone – and it expects more as the policy bites.

Why on earth, did the govt allow the LVR to apply to new home builds and provinces where prices have been falling for 7 years already!!!! The government pretends they have nothing to do with it but I disagree.
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October 31, 2013 8:42am
Harriet

Colville (1,273) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 8:20 am

“…..Harriet……If unrestricted firearm ownership or forcing me to endure your Goddite bullshit at a game is part of being a Conservonutter then I am happy to call myself a Prog…..”

Stop talking shit.

Like you’ve rung the Rugby union and complained about poly players blessing themselves in public.
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October 31, 2013 8:42am
Manolo

The government pretends they have nothing to do with it but I disagree.

You are right. The government is up to its eyeballs in it.
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October 31, 2013 8:44am
Pete George

Another attempt at a hit job on Campbell Live last night, John Palino would play their game so Rebecca Wright accosted and harrassed him in a car park. This is in stark contrast to the virtual hug John Campbell gave Len Brown and his PR team.

Wright versus Palino “harassment and bullying”

It’s no surprise that Campbell Live struggles to compete against an insipid Seven Sharp.
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October 31, 2013 8:47am
Snarkle

Pardon me if someone else has mentioned this, but is “Mr Spray and Walk Away” a reasonable catchphrase for a well-known local body politician?
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October 31, 2013 8:50am
Longknives

Snarkle- Seems to fit….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4ibFq1aup8
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October 31, 2013 8:59am
Scott

Pete George at 8:47 a.m. – I couldn’t agree more. Rebecca Wright was so aggressive with John Palino, the centre-right mayoral candidate. Whereas John Campbell was so gentle with Len Brown. Now I am okay with John Campbell being gentle with Len Brown at the time. However since then Mister Campbell has not seen fit to do any follow-up with Len Brown, who after all is the perpetrator of this whole sordid mess.

It is just another example of the left-wing Campbell looking after his favoured left of centre politician, Len Brown, while scapegoating the right of centre candidate Palino. The New Zealand Herald has taken the same approach.

One can only imagine what would happen if a centre-right mayor such as John Banks were involved in such an affair. John Campbell and the New Zealand Herald would not rest until the fellow was dismissed from office.

The media’s support for left-wing candidates and disdain for right-wing candidates could not be more blatant in the case of Len Brown.
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October 31, 2013 8:59am
Longknives

The ‘Masturbating Mayor’ would, of course, have to incorporate his beloved ‘Gangsta Rap’….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWkT4Ri5U9E
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October 31, 2013 9:00am
Bovver

“Another attempt at a hit job on Campbell Live last night, John Palino would play their game so Rebecca Wright accosted and harrassed him in a car park. This is in stark contrast to the virtual hug John Campbell gave Len Brown and his PR team.

Wright versus Palino “harassment and bullying”

It’s no surprise that Campbell Live struggles to compete against an insipid Seven Sharp.”

Agreed Pete, this was a total hatchet job, why isn’t Wright jumping down Red Len’s throat asking why his dick was in his mistress on Council property and is that appropriate behavior for the Mayor of NZ’s biggest city.
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October 31, 2013 9:01am
nickb

Da Meer is back, in da howse!

Sowf side wullcum to da sowf side!
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October 31, 2013 9:05am
Harriet

“Much of what I’ve been through reflects the fact that I need a better work-life balance and I’ll be genuinely looking for that. I’ve had to admit that I’m a workaholic. So all of those things mean that for my family I need to find time.”

Fuck ain’t Len full of his own perfumed shit:

Says he didn’t have the time for his wife and kids, yet he found the time to fuck a stray left right and center for the LAST TWO YEARS, then goes on to say that he’ll make room for his wife and kids – if only the good ratepayers of Auckland pay him the very same money to do less!

The Auckland Council have to throw him out as it’s going far too far now – he’s an out and out liar!
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October 31, 2013 9:08am
Longknives

In case this hasn’t been posted yet….

http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/len-brown-tells-auckland-he-just-wants-to-get-on-with-having-sex/
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October 31, 2013 9:10am
James Stephenson

Who’s this suspect character then?

Suspect is right. Skinny, mustard-coloured trousers? Gayer than Fossy’s gay ute.
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October 31, 2013 9:38am
Pete George

A suggestion that the Psychoactive Substances Act approach be extended to cover other drugs as an alternative to the failed “war on drugs”.

Although the Psychoactive Substances Act was intended to deal with that issue only, and not to have wider application, it does occur to me that, if after a period of time, it is shown to be working effectively, it could well become the model by which narcotic drugs, currently controlled under the Misuse of Drugs Act, are regulated for the future. The yardstick of level of risk – based on sound pharmacological and toxicological evidence – would become the determinant of availability, not public sentiment or prejudice.

I am not suggesting a revolution, but simply observing that the regulatory regime introduced for psychoactive substances could well have wider application and that we should not be averse to that possibility. After all, most experts now concede the so-called “war” on drugs has failed, and new initiatives are required.

An idea with merit worth considering further?

Others might be surprised who is considering this, but not me.
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October 31, 2013 9:39am
Ross12

Pete and Bovver

The irony of the Seven Sharp vs Cambell Live bit is if TV One put on a better show than the shambles they call Seven Sharp they would completely wipe out Cambell Live.
Mazda must be fuming and rapidly looking through the contract to see how they can get out of it or at least reduce it’s length.
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October 31, 2013 9:42am
wikiriwhis business

@ longknives

Obviously, Brown is taking Jenny Shipleys mantra to heart…to be cool….so she told the elderly grasping corporate National faithful towards the end of her political career. an uphill battle on all fronts
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October 31, 2013 9:53am
wikiriwhis business

This is how police state America has become. Coming to a school near you soon

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/feds-order-school-to-ban-packed-lunches-without-doctors-note
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October 31, 2013 9:55am
Bovver

We need some like a Colbert or Stewart to take the piss out of the politicians, pity NZ is so small, politically boring and has a compliant media most of the time that would be barely enough material to make a show once a week.
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October 31, 2013 9:58am
Scott

Bovver- For a humorous take on the situation check out Long knives link at 9:10 a.m. Absolutely hilarious post – “Len Brown tells Auckland he just wants to go on with having sex”.
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October 31, 2013 10:09am
Bovver

Yeah I read that, brilliant!
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October 31, 2013 10:18am
wreck1080

Can someone explain….

As many are saying, the manufacturing / exporting sectors are doing incredibly well even with the rising NZD (the increases stalled a bit lately but the dollar is still very high).

So, why does Graham Wheeler say this…

“Reserve Bank governor Graeme Wheeler signalled this morning he might push back the start of increases in the official cash rate if the New Zealand dollar stays high.”

If the facts point to a better than ever manufacturing /exporting output in a high dollar environment, then why does Wheeler care?

Surely interest rates should be set based on the economic performance indicators — from what I can see, the housing market is just going nuts — I think there is a good case for a price bubble forming in auckland as evidenced by the number of people that think prices cannot fall. The RB made a huge error between 2003-2007 by not increasing interest rates quickly enough , and i think they are making the same mistake.
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October 31, 2013 10:24am
ciaron

Longknives (3,182) Says:

October 31st, 2013 at 9:00 am

…video…
what. a. twit.
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October 31, 2013 10:39am
Kleva Kiwi

Is it just me or is this report so completely retarded it achieves new levels of bias!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9346241/Labour-Greens-take-edge-in-poll

It starts with stating labour-Greens will win based on one poll, then it goes on to talk about two other polls including their own fairfax one indicating National will win….

I dont know why this surprises me, I have come to expect as much of stuff’s rose tinted glasses….

There is no media in NZ, only propaganda.
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October 31, 2013 10:48am
Simon

“So, why does Graham Wheeler say this…”

Because of the extent of private debt in the system. House hold debt is around $200 billion add business debt of around another $120 billion. Interest rates go up and the economy gets crushed.

The massive inflation in the capital sector will at some stage cross into the consumer sector leading to higher interest rates or if Wheeler turns off the money printing (in an attempt to slow inflation) this will cause the existing capital structure to collapse. (ie property bubble to bust)

NZ is faced with a centrally planned economic train wreck its just a matter of when. The Statist turd Wheeler will end up crashing the economy regardless.
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October 31, 2013 10:51am
Fletch

Obama Administration leans on insurance companies to keep them quiet about problems with ObamaCare.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHWEUPOFO8M
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October 31, 2013 10:52am
Paulus

TV3 Campbell easy – don’t watch.
TV1 just as queer ?
At least TV2 in Shortland Street has more real sex.
I worked in the real Shortland Street for may years but must have missed the sex though.
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October 31, 2013 10:54am
cha

Again Simon, where’s the evidence to show that the RBNZ is printing money?.
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October 31, 2013 11:05am
Fletch

Chinese Police have arrested those five Muslims connected with the jeep bombing a few days ago.

The Chinese authorities say they have caught five suspected Islamist militants in the wake of the “terrorist attack” on Tiananmen Square which killed five and wounded dozens.
Officials have also released details about the occupants of the jeep which caused the chaos, slamming into a crowd of tourists and security officers before bursting into flames.

They identified the driver as Usmen Hasan, whose name, local media reported, suggests he was an ethnic Uighur, a Muslim minority living in the far western region of Xinjiang.

His wife and mother were with him in the car, along with devices filled with gasoline, knives and a flag with “religious extremist content” written on it, a police statement said.

The vehicle ploughed into pedestrians in the square, which has drawn occasional protests since 1989 pro-democracy demonstrations were suppressed by the military. Sources earlier told Reuters it was a suspected suicide attack.

“Police have identified Monday’s incident at Tiananmen Square as a violent terrorist attack which was carefully planned, organised and premeditated,” police said, adding the three people in the vehicle died after they set the gasoline on fire.

The other two people killed were tourists. At least 38 people were injured.

Five people connected with the incident were caught just 10 hours after the attack, with help from the Xinjiang government, the police said, all of whom also have names that suggest they are Uighur.

Police said they had seized Islamist militant flags and knives from where they were staying.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-arrests-five-suspected-islamist-militants-over-tiananmen-square-jeep-attack-8913240.html
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October 31, 2013 11:06am
Ross12

Does this announced discussion for the Labour Party Conference indicate that they have finally realised they have to claw back support from the Greens ??
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/19616520/labour-power-policy-up-for-discussion/
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October 31, 2013 11:24am
KevinH

Campbell Live has offered Palino the opportunity to reply to the accusations that his campaign team engaged in unsavoury tactics during the mayoralty campaign.Palino came across as an idiot ducking questions.
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October 31, 2013 11:30am
Akaroa

Hmmm! Probably a bit late, and too far down in the postings to generate much interest, but I just had to post about my incredulity with the fuss (!) that some elements in the media are making about the Americans allegedly eavesdropping on other nation’s communications.

Look, I don’t knew whether they are or not – and I’m not too bothered either way.

But the way some media outlets are spinning the tale one could be forgiven for thinking that many nations had never before in the history of mankind spied on or listened to the classified traffic generated in the normal course of peacetime international military/diplomatic relations.

As for war-time. Puh-lease folks! Doesn’t anyone remember how the Brits eavesdropped on Axis comms in WW2? And even intercepted, interrupted and interfered with them? Please see the copious open source writings and publications on this subject arising out of WW2 and the Cold War.

if anyone in this day and age thinks that a nation’s internal communications are free from overhearing – or should be – then my advice would be to wake up and smell the foul brew that underlies international communications in the 21st Century.

To quote a prominent New Zealander: “This aint tiddley winks y’know!!”
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October 31, 2013 11:34am
mandk

@Kleva Kiwi
Relax, it’s Halloween – scary stuff is supposed to happen today!
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October 31, 2013 11:41am
Komata

mandk

So Phil Ure is being allowed to return to KB…………?
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October 31, 2013 11:51am
Manolo

The bitch prepares to run: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/10/in-secret-letter-senate-democratic-women-rally-behind-hillary-clinton/
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October 31, 2013 12:00pm
RichardX

Manolo, Do you ever link to a news item that does not reinforce your world view?
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October 31, 2013 12:14pm
Fletch

Akaroa, yes there has always been spying, but to this level?
I just read a recent story saying that the NSA spied on 124 billion phone calls in just one month earlier in the year. And 97 billion bits of information from computers. They’re scooping up everything people do on Google, Facebook, Yahoo, and pretty much everything else.

http://freebeacon.com/report-nsa-spied-on-124-billion-phone-calls-in-one-month/

If it was to keep everyone safe because of global terrorism then I can see that, but is that the reason they are doing it?
All that info (including verbal warnings from people on the ground) and they couldn’t even keep their diplomatic team in Benghazi safe?

To be honest, I just don’t trust Obama or anyone in his Administration. He has proven himself untrustworthy – spying on the AP reporters, using the IRS to target and attack his opponents, using info (obviously gleaned from spying) against Petraeus.

Obama is proving to be a tyrant.

What it all comes down to – it isn’t that spying is being done, and it’s not the information gleaned, it’s who is using it.
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October 31, 2013 12:15pm
Fletch

Manolo, Clinton is just as bad as Obama. Don’t these lefties ever learn?
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October 31, 2013 12:18pm
dime

With all this spying, how much of it is used for blackmail?

Imagine if Dime ran for office.

Its not like you scumbags know who I am. I could present as this nice family guy who doesnt drink etc

Then a knock on the door

Shady govt guy “Dime, this is your net history since 1996”
Dime “gulp”
Shady govt guy “I see you went through a tranny phase back in 03”
Dime “gulp”
Shady govt guy “jesus, this is just a video of a fat asian lady crapping in a bucket” (i actually had that clip, it was sent as a joke. awful)
Dime “ah fuck it. they can take me for who i am”

Fast forward to election day.. Dime gets 7 votes. (6 more than PG)
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October 31, 2013 12:19pm
Fletch

Oh, and why would the U.S need to spy on the future Pope Francis during the Vatican conclave?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/10415228/US-spied-on-future-Pope-Francis-during-Vatican-conclave.html
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October 31, 2013 12:25pm
Reid

Puh-lease folks! Doesn’t anyone remember how the Brits eavesdropped on Axis comms in WW2? And even intercepted, interrupted and interfered with them? Please see the copious open source writings and publications on this subject arising out of WW2 and the Cold War.

Just what I was thinking listening to Morning Report this morning. It was when they broke the high command’s comms that the real breakthroughs were made and the first of those was the Russian victory at Kursk where they were able to give the Russians not just the plan but the entire order of battle. The high command used a machine called Lorenz which was much more sophisticated than Enigma which the general forces used.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorenz_cipher

But the obvious point is that the highest grade intel -der- comes from the high command so why wouldn’t anyone not expect ALL govt politician’s comms to be assigned the highest priority?
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October 31, 2013 12:28pm
kowtow

Akaroa

No problem spying on your enemies ,but on your friends and allies and specifically heads of govt like Merkel?

Stupid in the extreme.

And all this from Mr Hope and Change,the best President ever,the lawyer,the peace and justice activist?

Fuck Obie and his pals in the media. Possibly the worst President of modern times.

Have a read of his recent Brandenburg speech in Berlin where they were crawling up his arse and compare how they feel about him now just a few short months later.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/06/19/remarks-president-obama-brandenburg-gate-berlin-germany
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October 31, 2013 12:32pm
Fletch

Fuck Obie and his pals in the media. Possibly the worst President of modern times.

Yup. When you take all the bad things former presidents have done; all the things people have disliked them for; all the illegal things they have done, and roll them all into one, what you get is Obama. He will have a terrible legacy. And he deserves it.

I don’t like that he won reelection as president, but maybe it is for the best. Now in his second term, people can see what he really is. He isn’t going out with some good reputation. It’s only going to get worse as time goes by as well.
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October 31, 2013 12:35pm
RRM

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9346751/Poor-judgment-blamed-in-ballooning-tragedy

Carterton balloon disaster….

…..pilot high as a kite on dope……

………….so much for all the “health benefits”…………..

……eh?……………………………..
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October 31, 2013 12:40pm
RRM

When you take all the bad things former presidents have done; all the things people have disliked them for; all the illegal things they have done, and roll them all into one, what you get is Obama.

😆 Actual LOL.

Welcome, we call this planet “Earth”.
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October 31, 2013 12:43pm
Longknives

Imagine if a shitfaced drunk driver had ploughed into ten people and killed them?
There would rightfully be howls of outrage and disgust.

Yet because the idiot Balloon pilot was baked on the precious ‘Sacred Herb’ (that all his fellow loser potheads tell us is “harmless”) the silence is deafening…
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October 31, 2013 12:45pm
Reid

No problem spying on your enemies ,but on your friends and allies and specifically heads of govt like Merkel? Stupid in the extreme.

kowtow they do it all the time, it’s stupid not to, and everyone tries to do it, it’s just part of the game. Even when Key denies it publicly he knows it’s being done to him, 24/7/365.

But joe and jane public and even some to most journos, stand aghast at the twavesty, because they’re all drop dead morons when it comes to realpolitiks.

Try not to be like them.
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October 31, 2013 12:45pm
All_on_Red

“When you take all the bad things former presidents have done; all the things people have disliked them for; all the illegal things they have done, and roll them all into one, what you get is Obama. He will have a terrible legacy. And he deserves it”

Indeed, he’s a total fuck up. Worst.President.Ever Those black voters in the US are just a bunch of racists.
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October 31, 2013 12:46pm
kowtow

Fletch

The funny thing about 2 term Presidents is the commentariat like to say 1st term was sorting domestic issues and 2nd is for sorting international issues……hahahaha

epic failure on all fronts.

But we won’t hear that from the ever adoring progressive MSM.

Further to spying on your friends ,now there’s news they spied on the Vatican .They needn’t have worried about a far left Pope being elected ,they have a far left President sitting in the Oval Office.
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October 31, 2013 12:48pm
Sofia

Heeding His Worship, Auckland mayor Len Brown and getting on with it …

Cameron Brewer – Yesterday at 12:11pm –
The Mayor pulled me up this morning in the Governing Body meeting for calling him “Len,” citing it was inappropriate in a public meeting. “Your Worship” is the more befitting title. I then jokingly called him “Your Eminence” which he also didn’t seem to appreciate.

Mark Bavister – stick it to the 2 MINUTE WONDER!

Grant McLachlan – You should have replied, “What do your mistresses call you?”

M Patrick Baker – Answer: they don’t…busy with the two minute noodle…

Nigel James Turnbull – He likes his title doesn’t he!

Grant McLachlan – He just likes to be on top.

Marc Spring – You should have called him Dr Num ….

Nigel James Turnbull – Titulars are coming thick and fast.

Mark Bavister – Mr 4 out of 10 Len??

M Patrick Baker – Pantsdown Brown?

Russell Beaumont – Call him Roger Bannister. Our first sub 4 minute politician.

Flick Boucher – I remember when working for the old NSCC…the then Mayor wanted to be called George and nothing more.

Russell Beaumont – Respect is hard earned and easily lost. You would think the pompous twit would be trying to exercise his humble muscle.

Joanne Nixon – You could call him a lot worse…lol. How could you seriously keep a straight face? When does the inquiry report back? Why does he still have a job when bonking on the job is a sackable offence.

Norrie Montgomery – shagger

Ron Hamilton – I bet the ratepayers in Eastern Bays could come up with a few zingers!

Cameron Slater – What a tosspot…call him Your Tosser

David La Varis – ditto.. What a w**ker

Joanne Nixon – He has lost all credibility to be a chairperson. He’s made a joke of himself

Frank Fu – He has lost all credibility in the world. Many Chinese Mayors went to home as who did the same things.

Keeping Stock – After his “God moment” this morning on Breakfast, maybe you should have called him “My Lord”

Jonny Knox – Just be grateful Brown doesn’t move in the same dinner party circuit. If you do find yourself eating at the same table remember to use a long spoon. In 3 years I hope to cast a vote for “Brewer for Mayor, 2016”. In the interim I’m quite sure you’ll keep up the excellent work and continue to muck out the stable of Illiberal and Regressive council decision-making.

M Patrick Baker – Well he could go the whole hog on irony and get elected to Parliament. Then we’d have to refer to him as “Honourable”

Millie Liang – Tell that arrogant waste of space mayor the peasants are starting to call him Mr Spray & Walkway

… and on, and on …
– https://www.facebook.com/cameron.brewer.39/posts/636865033032162
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October 31, 2013 12:53pm
Weihana

Longknives (3,183) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 12:45 pm

Imagine if a shitfaced drunk driver had ploughed into ten people and killed them?
There would rightfully be howls of outrage and disgust.

Yet because the idiot Balloon pilot was baked on the precious ‘Sacred Herb’ (that all his fellow loser potheads tell us is “harmless”) the silence is deafening…

I think pot should be legal, but I’m not sure what you expect people to say in regards to this event. This man was reckless and paid with his life. You are right, his actions are exactly equivalent to someone who drinks and drives. But given that he is dead, what more can be done? And in what way does this event impact on pot use, and whether it should be legal, in general?

Don’t drink and drive, don’t get high and fly.
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October 31, 2013 12:54pm
dime

“No problem spying on your enemies ,but on your friends and allies and specifically heads of govt like Merkel?”

Dime is all for spying on the Germans.

Need to make sure they arent rounding groups of people up and putting them on trains…

I love how people think ze germans arent spying on anyone they can.. or china.. or the UK.. or us
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October 31, 2013 12:58pm
Akaroa

Hi Kow Tow at 1232. Agree – up to a point! But how do you know when your ‘friends’ who – according to you one mustn’t ‘spy’ on – turn into your not-so-friends or even enemies?. All it takes is a change of Government, or revolution, and all bets – friends and allies-wise – are off. Far better to be up with the play all the time rather than only when some nation gets off-side with you.

Reid at 1245 has got it right!!

Its a bad, bad, bad, bad international political World we live in!! It pays for nations – all nations – to keep their wits about them!!
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October 31, 2013 12:59pm
mandk

re. the Carterton balloon crash, this seems a sensible contribution, but some here might cling to the notion that cannabis use is harmless and a purely private matter:

” The aviation industry says it is frustrated that mandatory drug and alcohol testing in safety sensitive aviation workplaces has not yet been introduced.

“We accept that education is an integral part of enhancing safety but we can only do so much. Without the ability to test all working in safety sensitive roles, it can be difficult to detect the presence of these substances – for this reason alone regulation is essential,” said Irene King, chief executive of Aviation New Zealand.

“We advocate testing of all involved in safety sensitive roles – this includes the many owner operators, contractors, their executives and staff, irrespective of whether they are directly involved in day to day operations”.”
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October 31, 2013 1:07pm
Weihana

mandk (406) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:07 pm

re. the Carterton balloon crash, this seems a sensible contribution, but some here might cling to the notion that cannabis use is harmless and a purely private matter:

That some might cling to such a notion would hardly seem to justify taking that assumption as the starting point for any conversation on the subject. It just becomes a straw man against reasonable opposition to current legislation.

The drug is certainly not harmless and, in general, public consumption is not purely a private matter. But on relative terms it is less harmful than alcohol and as much a private matter as alcohol consumption. But if you smoke dope all day instead of getting a job, or if you get high and operate dangerous equipment, or if you encourage and facilitate minors to smoke, then you deserve the same criticism that would be warranted if the same was done with alcohol.

In general I don’t see people using every crash involving a drunk driver as a basis to advocate prohibiting alcohol. This one event, however, seems to have become a rallying point for those opposed to liberalization of drug laws. Perhaps it’s not the silence that is deafening, but rather the hysterical handwringing of those who would otherwise be silent if the crash involved alcohol, and if not silent they would be condemning the “nanny state” at any suggestion that such tragedies were a justification for tighter regulation.
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October 31, 2013 1:18pm
mandk

Weihana: “This man was reckless and paid with his life. ”

No he didn’t. He killed nine other people. And that’s the point isn’t it? Smoking dope is not a purely private matter – there are large negative externalities.
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October 31, 2013 1:20pm
Longknives

The point, Weihana, is that the ‘Pro Cannabis’ brigade (NORML, Metiria Turei etc etc) are always loudly telling us how fantastic and wondrous this drug is and that is has no harmful side effects nor does any damage in the community.
This is yet another example otherwise.
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October 31, 2013 1:23pm
Weihana

mandk (407) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:20 pm

Weihana: “This man was reckless and paid with his life. ”

No he didn’t. He killed nine other people. And that’s the point isn’t it? Smoking dope is not a purely private matter – there are large negative externalities.

I’m not sure how what I said contradicts what you just said. But yes, there are externalities. But those externalities should be judged consistently as with other drugs. The externalities associated with cannabis are no greater (and arguably much smaller) than alcohol and moreover there is limited evidence that our current regulation is very effective at reducing those externalities, but lots of evidence that current legislation creates new and unintended problems greater than the problem which it is attempting to fix.
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October 31, 2013 1:25pm
kowtow

The current German govt is a close friend and ally of the US.There was much made of that during Obies’ recent visit there.

Everyone knew the yanks were spying on all and sundry and evryone was prepared to go along with that(Prism etc) But they’ve been caught spying on the Chancellor herself all that’s gone ,down the gurgler…….

it’s a bad bad international world alright ,especially when you get caught treating your friends and allies in the same way you treat your enemies!

He’s fucked up big time.
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October 31, 2013 1:27pm
Weihana

Longknives (3,184) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:23 pm

The point, Weihana, is that the ‘Pro Cannabis’ brigade (NORML, Metiria Turei etc etc) are always loudly telling us how fantastic and wondrous this drug is and that is has no harmful side effects nor does any damage in the community.
This is yet another example otherwise.

From the NORML website:

“No one is suggesting we encourage more drug use; simply that we stop arresting responsible cannabis smokers.”

I just had a quick look at their website and from what I can see their advocacy for cannabis is on relative terms. Your portrayal of their advocacy therefore appears quite dishonest (or simply misinformed). I presume Miteria Turei is the same and from my recollection Green Party advocacy likewise treats the issue on relative terms, and about harm minimization through treating the issue as a health issue, not a criminal issue.
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October 31, 2013 1:31pm
Harriet

“No one is suggesting we encourage more drug use; simply that we stop arresting responsible cannabis smokers.”

No one is suggesting we encourage assault; simply that we stop arresting responsable adult smackers.

They won’t legalise pot anytime soon weihana.
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October 31, 2013 1:35pm
mandk

@ Weihana,
Essentially, you are arguing for the legalisation of a harmful substance on the grounds that another harmful substance is legal.
That’s no kind of justification at all.
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October 31, 2013 1:41pm
Don the Kiwi

I understand from a friend in the US that there are stirrings of a very serious movement to impeach Obama, because many of the things hes has done have been in direct opposition to the constitution, and his massive failures – Benghazi, Fast and Furious. IRS spying etc are all highly illegal, and the massive lies he tells – particularly in relation to Obamacare.
The only way he’s getting away with it is that he is protected by cronyism and a very compliant liberal media.

But his birds are coming home to roost. It wouldn’t surprise me to see steps taken in the next 12 months.
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October 31, 2013 1:48pm
Longknives

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y4PzthZ0Pyo

Yes it’s all very sensible and ‘relative’ Weihana…
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October 31, 2013 1:59pm
Fletch

Don, yeh, I read that a Republican senator has given a book to every member of the House re: impeaching Obama.

Representative Steve Stockman (R-TX) arranged for the distribution of a book described as “the first draft of the articles of impeachment against Barack Obama” to all 435 members of the US House of Representatives. “Impeachable Offenses: The Case for Removing Barack Obama from Office,” by Aaron Klein and Brenda J. Elliott were donated by the book’s publisher, WND Books.

Other members of Congress who have made comments about impeachment include Rep. Duncan Hunter, (R-CA); Sen. Tom Coburn, (R-OK); Rep. Kerry Bentivolio, (R-MI); Sen. Ted Cruz, (R-TX); Rep. Blake Farenthold, (R-TX); Sen. James Inhofe, (R-OK); Rep. Jason Chaffetz, (R-UT); Sen. Tim Scott, (R-SC); Rep. Michele Bachmann, (R-MN); Rep. Louie Gohmert, (R-TX); Rep. Trey Radel, (R-FL); Rep. Steve King, (R-IA); and Rep. Ted Yoho, (R-FL).

http://freedomoutpost.com/2013/10/steve-stockman-hands-articles-impeachment-house-representatives/
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October 31, 2013 2:00pm
Weihana

mandk (408) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:41 pm

@ Weihana,
Essentially, you are arguing for the legalisation of a harmful substance on the grounds that another harmful substance is legal.
That’s no kind of justification at all.

Of course it is a justification. That you disagree with it does not make it “no kind of justification”. It’s just one you disagree with but, as usual with prohibitionists, provide no reasoning for your disagreement.

My argument is a form of modus tollens. That is, if a substance being harmful necessarily justifies its illegality then all harmful substances should be illegal. Not all harmful substances are illegal, therefore a substance being harmful does not necessarily justify its illegality.

You on the other hand are engaging in special pleading. Essentially you are arguing for an exception (one harmful drug remain legal while others remain illegal) without justifying that exception.
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October 31, 2013 2:22pm
Weihana

Longknives (3,185) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:59 pm

Yes it’s all very sensible and ‘relative’ Weihana…

Unfortunately I lack speakers at the moment. Perhaps you could quote her. Not that it really makes much difference mind you since I would simply say that she does not speak for everyone if I found her position disagreeable.
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October 31, 2013 2:26pm
Jack5

Re the Wrightweiler hatchet job on Palino on TV3 as mentioned by Pete George (8.47) then by others:

Who is going to ambush Wrightweiler and, or Campbell in a car park. Then force them to heartily thank the taxpaying public of NZ for allowing the IRD to write off millions of unpaid tax by TV3’s owner. This generosity allows their Leftist propaganda to keep flowing.
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October 31, 2013 2:30pm
Judith

They don’t need to legalise majurana, but they do need to decriminalise it – or at least the personal use of it.

Apart from the cost of tying the justice system up with offenders who get slapped with wet bus tickets, or let off, there is the argument that if personal use is not a criminal offence, then it will decrease the strength of it as a gateway drug.

Due to it’s illegal status young and vulnerable people come under the radar of pushers of harder drugs. De-criminalising it will or at least should decrease that aspect.

Of course possession and supply of it will and should remain illegal.

@ Weihana – yes, not all harmful substances are illegal – alcohol for starters and many cold and flu medications – some that do far more social harm than other forms of illicit drugs.
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October 31, 2013 2:34pm
Weihana

Don the Kiwi (1,140) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:48 pm

I understand from a friend in the US that there are stirrings of a very serious movement to impeach Obama,

Good luck with that. Of course any impeachment would merely be symbolic given that he will never be convicted in the Senate, and given that it is no doubt the wingnut brigade in the Republican Party that would push for this sort of thing we shall see if those Republicans who still have their feet on the ground will risk something so stupid and something that will be viewed as unpopular and would likely further damage the Republican brand (which is already at historic lows) due to the obvious partisan nature of such an impeachment.

BTW, you do realize that if Obama were actually removed from office, Biden would become the president? 🙂
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October 31, 2013 2:40pm
Weihana

Harriet (2,823) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 1:35 pm

They won’t legalise pot anytime soon weihana.

The same might have been said about gay marriage not so long ago.

With a majority of Americans supporting legalization a tipping point will be reached eventually. Progressives won’t give up with their destructon of traditional values and their undermining of western civilization. 🙂
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October 31, 2013 3:02pm
wikiriwhis business

In some parts of the country, police havean unusual attitude about the cash youmight be carrying. It’s theirs. And it’s all completely legal. Video: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/24974.html
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October 31, 2013 3:18pm
iMP

Dear ol KEA was having a go at the Conservatives in the polls, the other day. Oh dear, here they come in todays poll: 2.5%. Kea. you’re all red and blushing under your wings.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/10/31/latest-poll-confirms-50nats-a-blip/
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October 31, 2013 3:26pm
kowtow

weihana

You’re quite right about dope,so called same sex marrige and the destruction of what’s left of western civilisation.

The culture wars are being won by the left,through capture of education, the media and now through legislation being pushed by fringe elements in the mainstream political parties.

They have successfully through activism normalised criminal and deviant behaviour to the extent that these things are now human rights.

Conservatism has failed to protect its values.Conservatism is seenas as evil and evil is now good.
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October 31, 2013 3:41pm
Pete George

Sex education could be significantly changed under a future Labour Government.

The issues to be covered in policy proposals will be debated at the Party’s annual conference this weekend.

It’s proposed Labour enacts a national sex and sexuality education programme.

It would see a minimum standard set for sex and sexuality education in the national curriculum – issues covered would include sexual diseases, contraception, consent, sexual orientation and gender identity.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/825849321-sex-education-could-change-under-labour-government

It would be interesting to see how they want this done.
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October 31, 2013 4:00pm
skyblue

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11149444
‘The Maori Party and the Mana Party have reached a truce of sorts after a meeting between the parties’ hierarchy last night – but the main stumbling block of the Maori Party’s relationship with the National Party is yet to be resolved.’

The natives will possibly decide the next govt. MP & Mana getting into bed again? Sticking point is MP agreement with the Nats.
Wake up NZ, do you really want the MP/Mana deciding the next government? If they do it will be Lab?Gre/MP/Mana.
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October 31, 2013 4:04pm
iMP

Kowtow & Weihana…and then along came Pope Francis to take up the slack of slack Mps.
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October 31, 2013 4:05pm
Manolo

@Longknives: And while we are at it, why don’t we decriminalise child abuse too?
Very fair according to the nutty, tubby, Luddite leader.
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October 31, 2013 4:06pm
Longknives

Willie has lost the plot..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/local-blogs/willie-jackson/9347078/Rihannas-ink-and-Beyonces-haka

“Disrespecting our culture blah blah” “Moko blah blah” “”Respect the haka blah blah”

Get the fuck over yourself part-Maoris- The world doesn’t owe you a fucking living..
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October 31, 2013 4:24pm
Weihana

Manolo (11,008) Says:
October 31st, 2013 at 4:06 pm

@Longknives: And while we are at it, why don’t we decriminalise child abuse too?

Yup, because smoking pot is just the same as abusing children. 🙄

Perhaps, kowtow, you are losing the “culture wars” because one side has a disproportionate number of stupid people.
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October 31, 2013 4:28pm
Fletch

“Disrespecting our culture blah blah” “Moko blah blah” “”Respect the haka blah blah”

Longknives, to be honest, it didn’t look like a Maori tattoo.
It looked more like something someone would get in prison.

I don’t blame her.
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October 31, 2013 4:44pm
kowtow

Stupid voters more like.
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