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October 26, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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iMP

Japan, earthquake tsunami. here we go again.
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October 26, 2013 8:10am
bhudson

hj, what do the Savings and Investment Working Group have to say about Wewege?
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October 26, 2013 8:19am
flipper

hj should take his/her pet hobby horse and ride it elsewhere.

The Whale has just posted this, that the Herald, as expected, ignores:

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“conspiracy unravelling

by Cameron Slater on October 26, 2013

One of the more outrageous smears, spread I might add by someone who should know better, was that Mark Mitchell was involved in some sort of conspiracy to unseat Len Brown.

It was a distraction…put about by people associate with Len Brown…the media salivated over it, so desperate are they that there is a conspiracy…and it was wrong.

Penny Webster has now issued a grovelly apology for her role in the fuss….. [and more detail]
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October 26, 2013 8:24am
bhudson

hj appears to have deleted his/her “Wewege fucks off” comment
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October 26, 2013 8:25am
Left Right and Centre

(1) Do you care that NZ Post will drop from six to three days delivery service in the big smokes?

I don’t mind. In fact – on the upside – it’s three days less to check the letterbox and three days that a bill will not arrive on.

NB: What was the business case for going from five to six days? Um… ??

***** Trademe teenage chatroom shit section*****

(2) It’s a perfect morning in Wellington – this is shaping up to be a ripper!! I’ve got five kms left to run for Saturday and in this champagne weather…. it will be a pleasant breeze figuratively and literally.
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October 26, 2013 8:27am
duggledog

Read this story on Stuff website:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9329346/Daughters-words-motivate-mum-to-get-off-benefits

‘She was devoted to raising her six children but, in her own words, she was also drinking, smoking, and not doing “anything”.

And she had been for close to 20 years.

“It was my nine-year-old that said, ‘It’s cool being on the benefit because you’ve been on it for so long, eh, mum. I’m going to go on the benefit too’.”

Wilson, 43, said she was “shocked” to think her circumstances would have such influence on her daughter, and the comments jolted her into action.’

This is why NZ Inc hasn’t got any money
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October 26, 2013 8:37am
Pete George

Democracy 2.0: The Only Digital-First Political Party

A group of software technologists in Buenos Aires, Argentina are playing on the edge of the future of democracy and it may have real implications for countries like the USA and Canada.

The Net Party will run their first field of candidates for the legislature in the city and to run as a candidate for the party you must commit that you will vote, each and every time, based on the will of the people as expressed via the internet. Depending on your viewpoint this could be the beginning of mob rule or an emerging form of direct democracy that may invigorate if not supplant the current system.

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/john-izzo/net-party-argentina_b_3786115.html

It will be interesting to see how this works. I’ve suggested something similar for here, but a more balanced representative/direct approach.
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October 26, 2013 8:42am
Pete George

Here is the basic idea.

The Net Party or Partido de la Red will run candidates for the 64-member body (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buenos_Aires_City_Legislature) attempting to get enough votes to land a few seats (seats are won through proportional voting so no one candidate must win for the party to hold seats).

Once elected, they will consult with the people on each important issue both educating the electorate and getting their viewpoint. Any citizen can engage, not just those who are members of the party and regardless of who they voted for. That is, the Net Party will be responsible to represent the views of all the citizens.
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October 26, 2013 8:45am
nickb

20 years of smoking, drinking, and doing nothing.

Sounds more like the living habits a trust fund baby than an impoverished beneficiary crippled by the ravages of Ruthanasia, colonisation and neoliberals.

But if we just give them more, all the ills of the world will be saved.

Let’s start by overturning the Court of Appeal decision in Child Poverty Action Group v AG, so that beneficiaries are eligible to the in work tax credit. That of course seems only logical, and will reduce the gross unfairness inherent in the situation where a low-paid full time worker earns more than a beneficiary.

Then lets cap rent rises like Grant Robertson is advocating.

Then lets impose costs on landlords by making them meet arbitrarily defined “minimum requirements”.

Then lets increase the top tax rate to punish the people funding your lifestyles.

Then lets exempt GST on fresh fruit and vegetables, to save the average beneficiary around $3 per week whilst imposing crushing costs on businesses (maybe if we exempted GST on alcohol and tobacco it might help their living costs more?).
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October 26, 2013 8:48am
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/10405559/Former-barrister-found-dead-three-weeks-after-wedding.html

Categorical proof again that marriage is bad for you.!!
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October 26, 2013 8:51am
Longknives

Green Moon, Long John, It’s a Dundeel..
There is your Trifecta in the big race today…Get on!
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October 26, 2013 9:02am
Pauleastbay

But the tracks wet
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October 26, 2013 9:07am
Reid

Spooky.

http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/mysterious-case-elisa-lam/
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October 26, 2013 9:11am
Longknives

Shouldn’t be too bad PEB..
Can’t wait- The ‘Greatest Two Minutes in Sport’!
And no- I’m not talking about Len Brown…
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October 26, 2013 9:12am
OneTrack

nickb – They are just following their ideology and its game plan – From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
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October 26, 2013 9:16am
David Garrett

duggledog: It is also why we have raised thousands of loser kids over 1 1/2 generations just looking for some trouble to get into (this woman’s children may not fall into that category)

The evidence is overwhelming that kids do best in two parent families where Mum and Dad live in a relationship in the nature of marriage…it is the biggest failure of my life that I just could not make that work with my kids’ mother….But I’ll bet dollars to doughnuts they (my kids) will never be found hanging around town looking for trouble…
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October 26, 2013 9:42am
David Garrett

…and my daughter wants to be a surgeon not a beneficiary….
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October 26, 2013 9:46am
kowtow

Feminisation of the US Marine Corps.

Isn’t equality and progressivism a wonderful thing? And as pointed out how can this be such a priority. Agenda.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10404395/Outcry-at-French-looking-US-Marine-hats.html
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October 26, 2013 9:52am
Nookin

I would have thought that McCullum would want as much time in the Black Caps as possible. On current form he is the logical person to make way for Ryder if Ryder performs.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/9330592/McCullum-and-Taylor-withdrawn-from-Sri-Lanka-tour
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October 26, 2013 9:57am
Pete George

Maneuvering that suggests the Len Brown Affairs have not run their course yet.

Webster sorry over Brown comments

Michele Hewitson interview: David Lewis

Trying to protect their reputations?
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October 26, 2013 10:00am
nickb

Are you giving our specialist captain grief Nookin?

You are of course right though, I don’t see who could be booted from the current test team if Ryder came back. It would seem logical that it would be Corey Anderson, but then we lose a promising young allrounder who has performed well as well as a first or second change seam option.

I am of course just another armchair expert but its strange IMO resting is needed given the Black Caps hadn’t played before Bangladesh for 5-6 months IIRC. We certainly don’t have a schedule as packed as the heavyweights. But then Taylor and McCullum have been playing hit and giggle during that break in the Carribean I think?
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October 26, 2013 10:01am
duggledog

DG

I first met people like this when I left school in the 1980s. I’d had a bit of a sheltered life growing up on a farm in the wops and was a little surprised to find you could pretty much do nothing except have babies and the state would foot the bill. I knew you could get the dole and smoke pot at the beach as did some of my contemporaries but the actual cheque was hardly worth it.

It never fails to amaze me that here we are thirty years later and nothing has really changed, save the recent tweaks by National – which, according to someone I know in the welfare industrial complex – will have long term benefits (see what I did there) and as much as they shriek about it, the Left will never repeal the changes.

Countless billions wasted. Countless deadbeats spawned in the biggest, most expensive breeding programme ever seen in NZ. I read on this site (I think) that the cost of welfare over two decades in New Zealand was equal to the entire value of all the real estate and property in the entire South Island. Twice.

I hope your offspring does become a surgeon, should I need it, I’ll be asking for her firm and steady hand!
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October 26, 2013 10:12am
Kea

Your privacy ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlgUAMgyV1M
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October 26, 2013 10:14am
Redbaiter

If you identify politically as a social liberal and you support National, you’re actually supporting the wrong party. You need to join Labour and fight to reshape that party into a low taxing small government party.

You won’t succeed of course, for social liberalism and small government are mutually exclusive. However, you might just learn how politically confused you are.

Report- Social Conservatism succeeds where liberalism fails.
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October 26, 2013 10:20am
David Garrett

Duggle: Legal and personal reasons prevent me from elaborating further….suffice it to say that I am very proud both of my children AND my estranged wife…who despite having only a 5th form education, and speaking English as a second language, is NOT a beneficiary….She worked out for herself that that was no kind of life…
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October 26, 2013 10:28am
Kea

social liberalism and small government are mutually exclusive.

No. Liberalism supports small government.

You really are a muppet. I do not think politics is your thing. You seem angry and confused by it. Get another hobby Red.
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October 26, 2013 10:33am
Manolo

The Russians rejoice: http://rt.com/usa/nsa-site-ddos-attack-754/
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October 26, 2013 10:37am
Redbaiter

You need to stick to discussing body building with your homosexual buddy. You know far more about that than you do about politics, and its also a subject where the kind of shallow ignorance that underpins the baseless assertions that are your speciality is less conspicuous.
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October 26, 2013 10:38am
David Garrett

I think of all the things I despised most about the socialists – and their even worse cousins the Greens – was their strident defence of “beneficiaries rights” to continue claiming all they possibly could…I didn’t feel that way for any ideological reason, or views on the “entitlement” mentality, but because I realised relatively quickly that the socialists and watermelons KNEW that a life on a benefit was a life of depression, addiction, lack of fulfillment and personal achievement, and probably early death..but they didnt care, because that stance is what their ideology demanded of them…

To hell with the betterment of the people they supposedly represent and championed…Sue Bradford would have to be the worse such offender….she is not an unintelligent woman by any means – Her Dad was a uni lecturer; Sue had a solid upper middle class upbringing…
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October 26, 2013 10:39am
kowtow

As the benefit/dope smoking ,entitlement counter culture grows and is spread by the leftist media more and more people are drawn into it. It really is a big part of what passes for western culture now.
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October 26, 2013 10:44am
Kea

Red, once again you get angry and confused by political debate and have to resort to calling people homos !

The style of authoritarian dictatorship you prefer requires far bigger government. You even advocate central government telling us who we can marry. You are a demented freak.
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October 26, 2013 10:46am
Judith

I agree with most of what is being said about solo parents and beneficiaries, however will make one addition.

Being a solo parent and working is hard work, but made possible if the extended families and in particular the other parent, usually a father is supportive.

Many families are so busy taking sides that they put a wall, and refuse assistance with child care etc, making it really difficult for the sole parent to work.

Why can’t people see that when they do this, forcing the custodial parent to give up work due to lack of support, that it is the children who suffer – they too get caught in the ‘non-work ethic trap’.
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October 26, 2013 10:55am
iMP

What’s wrong with calling people homo.s, Kea? Is that now a slur?

Ohhhh, you mean “homophobes.” Gotcha. Red, stop calling people body building homophobes!
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October 26, 2013 10:58am
Manolo

What’s wrong calling someone a homosexual? English as it should be spoken.
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October 26, 2013 10:59am
Redbaiter

“but they didnt care, because that stance is what their ideology demanded of them”

Its more strategical than ideological.

1) it gives the left a solid voter base. Beneficiaries won’t vote for any party that will make it hard for them. Therefore they will vote left as a matter of self preservation.

2) It puts more financial pressure on the system and will eventually break it.

Unless you realise that every committed leftist (Bradford is only the tip of the iceberg) wants to bring down capitalism you’re not understanding their strategies or their intent.
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October 26, 2013 11:00am
Manolo

The inexorable decline of the United States: http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full
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October 26, 2013 11:02am
Redbaiter

You’re right guys, Kea obviously thinks there is something nasty and unclean about queerism.
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October 26, 2013 11:04am
Azeraph

I think we need to help the Japanese.

If Fukushima goes we lose the north pacific.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PrhG5gmVb8

I don’t know what we could do but losing the Pacific or ?
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October 26, 2013 11:09am
Judith

@ Redbaiter

There are beneficiaries, and there a ‘beneficiaries’. Those that make it a career option, and those that through no fault of their own are caught out by the actions of others – e.g. 25 years working at one place that goes belly up.

I have no problem with criticism of those who think being a beneficiary is an ‘option’, however I would hate to see a system where there is no support for those who through sickness, redundancy etc are caught without enough money to live on.

I realise there is income protection insurance and so on, but when a person is on a lower wage, it is not always possible to pay the extra cost, and there are a lot of people who for years having been in the same job think they are safe. It’s hard for middle-aged people to accept that things have changed and there is no such thing as job security anymore.

Our welfare system is important. It needs protecting – and part of doing that is getting rid of those that rip it off (no I don’t mean call in a mafia).
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October 26, 2013 11:12am
Redbaiter

BTW, ain’t it great to see all of the pundits who have been putting down the Conservatives for so long getting all nervous and sweaty?

That’s a problem that liberals always have- they know very little about what is happening outside the precious little liberal bubbles they exist in.

Anything that counters liberal orthodoxy is seen as strange and foreign and probably not true, and they are confused and hurt and find it difficult to accept that their judgments can be so wrong.

They’re is another world and another culture out there, but the progressives who claim to support diversity everywhere else will not admit it exists.
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October 26, 2013 11:14am
Judith

@ Azeraph (492) Says:
October 26th, 2013 at 11:09 am

I think if it gets that bad, every country in the Pacific Rim will do all they can to protect it. The problem is, will Japan accept that assistance?
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October 26, 2013 11:14am
iMP

So, what you’re saying Red, is that sweaty urban Progressives don’t actually support diversity and progressiveness?
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October 26, 2013 11:17am
nostrils

A little bit of history…..

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p01kbykv
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October 26, 2013 11:20am
iMP

Azeraph, Fukushima is already gone, its been pumping plutonium eradiated water into the Pacific for two years, which concentrates in organic matter (like Fish, that we eat, and then it concentrates in Us) Nasty stuff, radiation. Should never have messed with the structure of atoms.

The sooner Japan divests itself of its other nuclear reactors, the safer we will all be. Nuclear power is on the way out. She and Nature are not stable bedfellows. But now we have the technology in weapons…yup, humans, evolving and progressing.
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October 26, 2013 11:21am
liarbors a joke

Troughing and gluttony at the Christchurch City Council under Parker and Marryatts watch..reading that will make you sick..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/9327895/Mayor-threatens-to-cut-up-expense-cards
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October 26, 2013 11:22am
Redbaiter

Jude,i don’t have any serious disagreement with what you say. The stuff about employment insurance is logically circular but let’s not worry about that. (if government wasn’t over-taxing, and thereby impoverishing people, they could afford it)

You need to get to the base, and that is every time a government increases in size it takes some of your income and your freedom.

So why would anyone who wants a country to be wealthy and free also want big government?

The two wants are mutually exclusive.
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October 26, 2013 11:23am
Fletch

What’s wrong with calling people homo.s

Reminds me about the story of the song Here I Go Again by Whitesnake.
The original, more bluesy, version of the song had the line Like a hobo I was born to walk alone, but they thought people might mistake “hobo” for “homo”, so for the 1987 remake, they changed the line to like a drifter I was born to walk alone

Music fact for the day 🙂

Original version: http://youtu.be/DSlSaGcc0QM
1987 remake: http://youtu.be/WyF8RHM1OCg
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October 26, 2013 11:25am
Redbaiter

“So, what you’re saying Red, is that sweaty urban Progressives don’t actually support diversity and progressiveness?”

Ha- anyone trying to progress any idea that challenges liberal orthodoxy knows the answer to that question.
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October 26, 2013 11:25am
Kea

ain’t it great to see all of the pundits who have been putting down the Conservatives for so long getting all nervous and sweaty?

Last time I checked it was the conservatives bitching and wailing about how the liberals have taken over. Something you make a full time job of. No amount of parroting US sourced conservative boiler plate rhetoric will hide the reality. Your ignorant narrow world is not what is needed to combat socialism. What is needed is an open liberal society with far less management from central government.
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October 26, 2013 11:28am
Azeraph

Judith (4,180) Says:
October 26th, 2013 at 11:14 am

It might not have a choice. Why didn’t they isolate the sea area around the plant by building a harbor sea wall? I don’t have a clue if this would work with ground water being irradiated and possibly escaping into the sea but if worst comes to worst then what do you think is going to happen eventually to the South pacific? The 2 are not separate.
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October 26, 2013 11:28am
iMP

Yes Fletch, retrospective re-applicatons of historical word definitions is interesting. I saw a documentary with Martin Luther Kings Jr’s sidekick recently, discussing the historical contexts of the word “nigger.” That of course came up recently, when that juror went viral. And is up again in the debate over re-naming the 80year old “Redskins”.
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October 26, 2013 11:28am
Judith

@ Redbaiter

I see what you say, and strangely, agree! The problem is getting to the right point, a point where less taxes are paid, and government is minimised to a ‘necessary’ size. You can’t cut the taxes, until the costs of running Government are decreased, and vice versa. The problem is with the transgression – and that is where people are generally short sighted, perhaps peppered with a clear mistrust of politicians and any sitting government to get it right and see it through to fruition.

Clearly having an election every three years is a huge stumbling block – it allows those who cannot visualise the positive effects to interrupt the process.
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October 26, 2013 11:30am
iMP

And remember the “Queer” debate. At one stage we were naughty and not allowed to use it, then the gay community decided to regather it, and now its generic.
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October 26, 2013 11:32am
Redbaiter

“they changed the line to like a drifter I was born to walk alone”

Who are “they” and how come they can do that?

They’re culturally divisive Marxists who know that if they attack the homogeneity of western culture it will help immensely in their objective of destroying it and replacing it with the new improved progressive model.

The same strategy underpins their current mission to have the Redskins renamed. I detest it, but what pisses me off most is the lame acceptance of such outrageous deceit. where they claim they seek tolerance and unity when their real objective is to divide us and weaken us.

They should be told to back off in no uncertain terms, but they never are. Marxists are given a free hand to manipulate society because people are too damn intimidated to fight back.
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October 26, 2013 11:33am
Azeraph

iMP (1,641) Says:
October 26th, 2013 at 11:21 am

Yes, you are right.
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October 26, 2013 11:35am
Judith

@ Azeraph (493) Says:
October 26th, 2013 at 11:28 am

I agree, but remember when the last big tsunami hit, and how the Japanese seemed to go to great lengths to disguise the damage that had been done to the nuclear plants. The question is how far are other countries prepared to go to force them to take action, because in the end, that might be what has to happen?

How many people are prepared to put embargoes on Japanese products for example or do other such things to force action that might upset trade agreements and the like? Trade and common sense don’t always go hand in hand.
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October 26, 2013 11:36am
Fletch

Red –

The original 1982 version of the Whitesnake classic, “Here I Go Again”, featured the line, “Like a hobo, I was born to walk alone”, but the 1987 version replaced the word “hobo” with “drifter”. In an interview, Coverdale claimed he changed the lyric because he was afraid people would think he was saying homo instead of hobo.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0184434/bio

I think it may have been his management though.
Listening to the original, it does sound like “homo”
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October 26, 2013 11:42am
Fletch

Ps, I am a homo(sapien) 🙂
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October 26, 2013 11:42am
Azeraph

Judith (4,182) Says:
October 26th, 2013 at 11:36 am

Yes, you are right as well but whether we have the punch to start it is a different matter all together. JK could scoop a major mana grab of an unprecedented level if he had the balls to risk it, it’s too late after the fact. Would anyone risk business? We all know what it’s like to dump and run and how long it can take to get back on ones feet afterward.
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October 26, 2013 11:47am
Kea

“The same strategy underpins their current mission to have the Redskins renamed.”

No one tell Red he is not living in America. It would break his heart.

Whats the bet he has a confederate flag on the wall ? 🙂
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October 26, 2013 11:51am
Redbaiter

“Coverdale claimed he changed the lyric because he was afraid people would think he was saying homo instead of hobo.”

Confirms what I said about intimidation.

Cloverdale should have told them to go fuck themselves, and he probabay wanted to but knew he would be severely criticised as a “homophobe” or whatever if he did.

So he changed it and the Marxists scored another small but significant victory.

When Coverdale should have said “no” and their should have been a chorus of voices supporting him, he said yes, because there was no such chorus.

Conservative wimps were too frightened to oppose Marxism then and they’re still too frightened today.
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October 26, 2013 11:51am
Redbaiter

“Whats the bet he has a confederate flag on the wall ?”

Just the latest in a line of non argumentative remarks that are observed in almost every comment you have written here today.

Waste of time.
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October 26, 2013 11:58am
iMP

The Left fight nasty and Conservatives tend to have manners Red, that’s what it comes down to I think. Consv.s also tend to avoid conflict, while Liberals seek it. We’re speaking in generalisations of course, there are exceptions to both statements.

The BIG Q. is, which general ideology produces the best outcomes for society. Or is a blend the best?
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October 26, 2013 11:59am
Kea

Just the latest in a line of non argumentative comments that are observed in almost everything you have written here today.

What a gutless two faced prick !

KB (and other sites, you are not banned from) is littered day after day with your abusive and pointless attacks. Yet when you get a tiny taste of your own medicine you run for the moral high ground and cry victim.

You are pathetic.
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October 26, 2013 12:02pm
iMP

Is there something wrong with having a Confederate flag in your house? Is that worse than being a homo/sexual/sapien/phobic?

I think I have one, somewhere, in my house. (A homosexual I mean). Maybe even a colourful rainbow flaggy.
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October 26, 2013 12:07pm
Redbaiter

“Or is a blend the best?”

There can be no blend with a parasitical ingredient that exists only to over time neutralise and extinguish every other ingredient.
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October 26, 2013 12:10pm
iMP

Well, it might be like having various blood parasites. They live there, have their day, but basically the body keeps them in check. A bit like predators keeping rabbits down.
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October 26, 2013 12:13pm
Redbaiter

(and other sites, you are not banned from)

See?

More un-argumentative stuff.

How many sites am I banned from BTW?
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October 26, 2013 12:13pm
Kea

A recent photo of Red, or is it Kowtow ? Hard to tell with the hood on 🙂

http://abagond.files.wordpress.com/2012/04/tale-of-two-hoodies.jpg?w=500&h=375
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October 26, 2013 12:14pm
Redbaiter

“Well, it might be like having various blood parasites. They live there, have their day, but basically the body keeps them in check. A bit like predators keeping rabbits down.”

Ha, very good, but given the National Party’s incremental capitulation over the last four or five decades, do you think it is working?
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October 26, 2013 12:16pm
Redbaiter

“A recent photo of Red, or is it Kowtow ?”

Even more un-argumentative stuff.

What a waste of time.
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October 26, 2013 12:18pm
Redbaiter

Thanks for your most civil support iMP, much appreciated.

Gotta go out now.
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October 26, 2013 12:20pm
Redbaiter

BTW, planning to do a blog post tomorrow on sleazebag Slater and why we don’t need him on the so called right.
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October 26, 2013 12:22pm
KevinH

“Luigi Wewege flies out after Brown scandal”

Luigi Wewege has left New Zealand.

One of the key players in the Len Brown sex scandal was seen leaving an Air New Zealand plane in San Francisco yesterday morning after an 11-hour flight.

Like a dog with his tail between his legs this man has demonstrated through his actions that he is a cowardly opportunist, who can talk the talk but can’t walk it.
This leaves Palino with the unenviable task of facing the media on his return from holiday in Melbourne, however that is contingent on him returning.

Penny Webster has apologised for naming MP Mark Mitchell as her informant :
Councillor Penny Webster said she was upset that the Rodney MP had had to defend himself against attacks on his integrity and character by Labour MPs in the parliamentary debating chamber.
That apology indicates where Penny is politically and perhaps she has one eye on the future, a return to parliament, however a glaring omission is her lack of an apology to Len Brown for discussing his affair clandestinely with a National Party M.P.
In addition to that MP Mark Mitchell’s comments to Penny indicate that the gossip was circulating within the beltway and sooner than later were going to make the front pages.
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October 26, 2013 12:40pm
Kea

BTW, planning to do a blog post tomorrow on sleazebag Slater and why we don’t need him on the so called right.

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” I am all butt hurt because Slater banned me for being an abusive troll & do you know I was his MOST POPULAR commentor ?”

I am sure your following of three people will flock to Truebile to join in your little circle wank.
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October 26, 2013 12:43pm
duggledog

DG
What I can never understand about the Greens and their ideological sympathisers is that although they propagate the theory that Nature Knows Best in pretty much all areas, this doesn’t apply to humans. Somehow, people are all the same and are sacred. I beg to differ.

Maybe that’s why you’ll almost never find a farmer voting for the Greens. All farmers know about breeding. They routinely breed out those with characteristics they don’t want, otherwise things all turn to shit, from lettuces to cows.

So, on the one hand, Gareth Hughes and Julie Anne Genter would pull out a diseased tomato plant, and not breed from a physically deformed orangutan or whatever

But then conversely they will be the drivers of piling state largess on the weakest, most useless members of society, including allowing them to have as many kids as they want because it is their right to do so. I would warrant somebody like Sue Bradford would eradicate all illness from malaria to AIDS in sub Africa if they could, without thought, taking away every natural inhibitor or population growth and thereby trebling the poverty and misery in that fucked country.

I think Judith’s made some good points today. If we had never instituted such a damaging, no fault have-as-much-as-you-like welfare system all those years ago, we would be simply shitting money today – which could be spent on those people who really need a hand.

The Greens are un-natural
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October 26, 2013 12:55pm
iMP

KevinH. We are making some quite big assumptions of Luigi are we not? A trip to SFO does not necessitate a tail-between-legs flight. There is more to life than Len Brown, said a South Islander.
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October 26, 2013 1:02pm
Azeraph

iMP (1,647) Says:
October 26th, 2013 at 1:02 pm

Luigi is a free man, he can do whatever he wants but he can’t safely rely on using any Nz refs for fear of being linked as a unsavory character. Mind you i wouldn’t have stuck around as long as he did.

I wonder if stephen has got his vid done with Bevan as she was completely broke.
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October 26, 2013 1:17pm
Paulus

No, No, No, Luigi (not the Winston Luigi, though he has a straight relationship) is responsible for Len Brown’s affair – he shared the bird with Brown so it must be his fault.

No, No, No, if not Luigi the John Palino – has to any body but Lyin Len !

Look the Herald is right – everybody but Lyin Len – see todays eulogies.
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October 26, 2013 2:34pm
Scott

Agreed Paulus. We must understand that Len is the victim of a ring wing conspiracy propagated by shadowy characters who only purpose in life is to bring him down.

I mistakenly thought that Len having an affair for 2 years including sex in the workplace during work time would mean the focus would be on him and his need to step down gracefully.

However thanks to the New Zealand Herald I now see the error of my ways.
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October 26, 2013 2:54pm
Azeraph

What did Len do?
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October 26, 2013 3:09pm
iMP

He’s the editor of the NZ Herald Azeraph and lied about a parking ticket.
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October 26, 2013 4:37pm
Azeraph

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October 26th, 2013 at 4:37 pm

We are talking about 2 minute precooked sausies aren’t we? Len the out going Mayor? By the way if we are nice return, very nice.
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October 26, 2013 4:59pm
Reid

Are you a man, or a hamster?

http://www.cracked.com/article_18461_5-creepy-ways-video-games-are-trying-to-get-you-addicted.html
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October 26, 2013 5:08pm
David Garrett

Has anyone noticed the Herald’s online headline “Wewege seen fleeing New Zealand”?

The ACTUAL story is that Wewege was seen – dressed casually, not in any kind of disguise – getting off a plane in San Fran. And that his final destination is unknown, but thought to be Florida. THAT’s the story. Why is he described as “fleeing”? From what? For what reason? Palino “fled” the country last week – but now we hear is returning next week…

People leave and return to NZ every farking day…THAT’s how desparate the former journal of record is to find some evidence of the VRWC at work in Len’s difficulties….which miraculously now all seem to be over….
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October 26, 2013 5:51pm
SPC

duggledog, “I would warrant somebody like Sue Bradford would eradicate all illness from malaria to AIDS in sub Africa if they could, without thought, taking away every natural inhibitor or population growth and thereby trebling the poverty and misery in that fucked country.”

This is actually the position of the UN and both national foreign aid programmes and private charity donors like Bill Gates.

As to whether lower death rates increase population, the evidence is mixed. Often parents will have fewer children if they are confident of their children’s survival, and improved economic well-being also results in reduced focus in just breeding more children.
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October 26, 2013 6:09pm
Nostradamus

David Garrett:

The Herald on Sunday has an “exclusive interview” with Luigi Wewege (sounds like the name of a porn star) tomorrow.

Perhaps that will clear up a puzzling aspect of today’s story: who connected the dots between San Francisco and Florida? How can you observe a person getting off a plane in San Francisco and conclude that they must be going to Florida? Who provided the additional piece of information? That’s not explained in today’s story and, given the big hoo-ha about Wewege’s flight details, arguably should have been.
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October 26, 2013 6:13pm
David Garrett

Nostra: I suppose the person who clocked him at the airport could have followed him over to the domestic side to see where he was going…but so what? Perhaps there is a convention of the VRWC in Florida somewhere, as we speak? I guess all will be revealed tomorrow…or not…
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October 26, 2013 6:55pm
duggledog

SPC

In many African countries, you are not considered a real man until you have fathered many children. It’s not necessarily thought through
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October 26, 2013 6:56pm
Andronicus

I guess it’s pleasing Garrett’s daughter doesn’t want to be a crooked politician.
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October 26, 2013 7:20pm
nasska

Say what we like about the Europeans….at least they know how to treat pests. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/p2mbovr3hyq5s3r/cycle%20lane.jpg
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October 26, 2013 7:22pm
SPC

duggledog, as I said the evidence is mixed.

In Asia, China has determined on living within a finite environment by keeping population to a billion or so, thus allowing their economic growth to improve living standards, whereas India has a still rising population and may reach 2 billion.

In Africa the population is still increasing, but the determination of their population demographic should not be disease, lack of health care and clean water etc or famine.
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October 26, 2013 7:22pm
David Garrett

Andronicus: (You brave anonymous boy..) You have the timeline wrong…I was a crooked OIL RIG WORKER in 1984…(actually that’s not quite right either…) the politician bit came about 30 years later..

But what the hell…you are a no doubt a “who Len bangs and where is nothing to do with us” kinda guy…
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October 26, 2013 7:38pm
Azeraph

It will be interesting to see when we have our first Kiwi chinese PM. that will be a momentous day as it will be the day we have severed our ties to europe, Yay! Poor buggers are going to be africanised then converted to islam with the Germans still holding out as a semi christian in name country.

We let a few in but sooner or later we got to put the brakes on because there is going to be a flood.
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October 26, 2013 7:59pm
nasska

An Australian tour guide was showing a group of American tourists the Top End On their way to Kakadu. He was describing the abilities of the Australian aborigine to track man or beast over land, through the air, or beneath the sea. The Americans were incredulous.

Then, later in the day, the tour rounded a bend on the highway and discovered, lying in the middle of the road, an Aborigine. He had one ear pressed to the white line whilst his left leg was held high in the air. The tour stopped and the guide and the tourists gathered around the prostrate Aborigine.
“Jacky” said the tour guide “what are you tracking and what are you listening for?”

The aborigine replied “Down the road about 25 miles is a 1971 Valiant Ute. It’s red. The left front tire is bald. The front end is out of whack and it has dents in every panel. There are 9 black fellas in the back, all drinking warm beer. The American tourists moved forward, astounded by this precise and detailed knowledge.

“Wow, man! How do you know all that?” asked one American. The Aborigine replied “I fell out of the fucking thing about 15 minutes ago!!”
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October 26, 2013 8:02pm
Kea

SPC. You should not expect Africans to have all the benefits of prosperous societies while doing none of the things prosperous societies do

Africans get more than they deserve. They have been handed civilisation on a silver platter and do not value it.
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October 26, 2013 8:15pm
SPC

Kea, which Africans are you referring to? Can you not tell them apart, one from another …
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October 26, 2013 8:17pm
Kea

The same Africans you were referring to. Or can you not tell them apart ?
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October 26, 2013 8:20pm
nasska

Kea

You’re not sticking to the script the left have prepared for us. On Planet Socialism whitey provides for everyone & everything. 🙂
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October 26, 2013 8:21pm
SPC

nasska, you mean Japanese and Chinese saving funding the American debt, the European debt and our borrowing to buy farmland and houses?
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