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Manolo

PC craziness in the US: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/10401584/Offensive-Halloween-costumes-banned-by-US-university.html
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October 25, 2013 8:03am
martinh

So Paul Henrys back, talk about flogging a dead horse.
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October 25, 2013 8:04am
Yoza

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YR4CseY9pk
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October 25, 2013 8:04am
iMP

Bye bye Winston. No more Gucci-land. (More commentary on JK and Audrey Young’s NZH piece on Auck boundaries)

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/10/24/conservatives-national-2014-the-media-catch-up/
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October 25, 2013 8:11am
martinh

Yoza,
He just bores me, reminds me of a manic ranting friend of mine
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October 25, 2013 8:12am
Bovver

PC craziness in the NZ: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/9324911/Store-owner-fined-as-smoko-against-law
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October 25, 2013 8:13am
Yoza

martinh (427) Says: 8:12 am

Yoza,
He just bores me, reminds me of a manic ranting friend of mine

I agree, Jeremy Paxman sets himself up as the embodiment of the inexorable collapse of the corporate paradigm by expressing his inability to comprehend the damage such a system is inflicting on society and the environment.

Russell Brand does a brilliant job of countering Paxman’s smug tirade with his razor sharp wit and an honest assessment of the reality experienced by vast swathes of people alienated from the decision making process.
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October 25, 2013 8:24am
hj

Ten meter visibility in Chinese city.

Updated, 8:22 a.m. | School was canceled, traffic was nearly paralyzed and the airport was shut down in the northeast Chinese city of Harbin on Monday as off-the-charts pollution dropped visibility to less than 10 meters in parts of the provincial capital.

A dark, gray cloud that the local weather bureau described as “heavy fog” has shrouded the city of 10 million since Thursday, but the smoke thickened significantly on Sunday, soon after the government turned on the coal-powered municipal heating system for the winter.

http://sinosphere.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/10/21/air-pollution-hits-harbin-in-northeast-china-closing-schools-and-roads/?ref=international-home&_r=1

No wonder they want to live in not so crowded Western cities? We’ll be “world class” too soon.
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October 25, 2013 8:25am
hj

Young Candidates Ride Anti-Sprawl Rhetoric to Mayoral Victories in Alberta

On Monday, Calgary elected anti-sprawl crusader Naheed Nenshi to a second term as Mayor. And in Edmonton, 34-year-old Don Iveson, “an up-and-coming hot shot of the same vein of progressive politics”, was elected to replace the city’s retiring mayor.
“In a province regarded for its conservatism, both [Nenshi and Iveson] are considered to be on the progressive side of the political spectrum, with agendas focused on increasing urban density and boosting public transportation – and are likewise criticized for not being fiscally conservative enough,” writes Kelly Cryderman.

“Mount Royal University political analyst David Taras said along with Alberta Premier Alison Redford, Mr. Iveson and Mr. Nenshi, ‘represent the social change that has taken place in Alberta.’ The province is now more urban, diverse and wealthy – with more political clout – compared with just two decades ago, he said.”

In his appraisal of the election results, Gary Mason calls the two mayors, who consider themselves friends, “the most formidable, one-two team of big-city mayors anywhere in the country.”

http://www.planetizen.com/node/65727?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=10242013
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October 25, 2013 8:32am
Manolo

I agree, Jeremy Paxman sets himself up as the embodiment of the inexorable collapse of the corporate paradigm by expressing his inability to comprehend the damage such a system is inflicting on society and the environment.

The words of a hopeless communist still convinced his failed and obsolete ideology will give us heaven on Earth.
Comrade Yoza shouts: Workers of the world, unite!
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October 25, 2013 8:34am
Azeraph

Mein Got! Apple new to be released next gen Mac pro 4/6/8/12 core choice of desktop is a design coup.
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October 25, 2013 8:34am
Azeraph

I’ve never ever wanted an apple ever until now. guess I’ll have to wait til lotto comes in to warrant blowing anything like that just for posting.
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October 25, 2013 8:37am
hj

“Treasury suggested introducing a capital gains tax and restrictions on foreign buyers as part of a long term prescription to curb house price increases, documents released today show.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11145624

Nick Smith says Treasury make hundreds of recommendations ” they accept some and reject some” (what about the “advice” of the powerful well healed lobbyists)?
Russell Norman says polling suggests 10% of buyers are foreign. Nick Smith says there is (conveniently) “no evidence” but lack of evidence of “Y” isn’t evidence of lack of “Y”.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11145624
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October 25, 2013 8:40am
thePeoplesFlag

Russell Brand could become a powerful political force if he has the discipline.

He is the absolute master of the snappy soundbite. Like all good comedians, he understands language and the power of the double meaning, for example his putdown of Boris Johnson was utterly brilliant, because it was subtle and took Johnson’s supposed strengths and exposed them as those of Tory buffoon in ten or twelve words and let that audience worked it out for itself.
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October 25, 2013 8:50am
Nigel Kearney

If a New Zealander sells a house to a foreigner, we now have their money and can invest it or even just build a new house with it. This idea that we can somehow lift our standard of living by stopping people bringing money from overseas and spending it in New Zealand is just more crazy upside-down leftist economics.
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October 25, 2013 8:53am
iMP

Russell Bland is a manic fruit loop (so yes, he’d make a powerful politician).
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October 25, 2013 9:04am
kowtow

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Russell Bland, you beat me to it.
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October 25, 2013 9:11am
dime

“The words of a hopeless communist still convinced his failed and obsolete ideology will give us heaven on Earth.
Comrade Yoza shouts: Workers of the world, unite!”

lol thought the same thing.

I like this gem

“an honest assessment of the reality experienced by vast swathes of people alienated from the decision making process.”

cause history shows, in communist countries, everyone has a say HAHAHAHAHAHA
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October 25, 2013 9:29am
James Stephenson

cause history shows…

No! This time we’ll do socialism *properly*…

http://youtu.be/JvKIWjnEPNY

Brand is either very clever satire, or dumb as a sack of hammers.
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October 25, 2013 9:35am
Reid

The old story: our technology has outstripped our humanity (aka our spirituality).

Part of the problem is that our brains are so adaptable, and a relatively new study coming out of the University of Missouri (U of M) shows that violent video games appear to make people more aggressive and desensitized to the violence that we see in our every day world. While this finding seems obvious, it is still relatively groundbreaking in science to understand that the relationship between our mind and our subjective experience actually has physical effects on our body and brain, effects that are dramatic and can even be enduring.

Thoughts are things. We are spiritual beings living in a physical body not physical beings who have a spiritual component. Over several centuries we’ve increasingly allowed those who control the physical world to create a reality which provides the illusion of freedom while causing 90% of people to behave collectively like immature children in the uses to which we put our precious thoughts and attentions. If it’s not childish immature lust via looking at the ubiquitous free porn they’ve provided for us it’s pride, envy and avarice in the way we look at our work and gather our means of living which they’ve also provided for us, designing a society where two incomes is a must simply to keep above water. If it’s neither of those things it’s sloth, wrath and gluttony in the way we drown our sorrows, blame others for our choices and lie down and expect others to provide for us, or simply go out and take what we think we deserve because “we’re entitled.” If that doesn’t describe 9 out of ten people in your experience then I’m very happy for you, you must live somewhere other than where I do.

It doesn’t have to be this way, all you need to do is stop your thoughts from operating on auto-pilot and take control of them.

Man is made and unmade by himself. In the armory of thought he forges the weapons which will destroy him. He also creates the tools with which he will build for himself heavenly mansions of joy and strength and peace. By the right choice and true application of thought man ascends to the divine perfection. By the abuse and wrong application of thought he descends below the level of the beast. Between these two extremes are all the grades of character, and man is their maker and their master.
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October 25, 2013 9:41am
dime

James – he speaks like most junkies TBH.
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October 25, 2013 9:44am
Ross12

Anyone in the Real Estate industry on here ? I just noticed DPF’s tweet up on the top left about how his body corp fees for his apartment are up to $9900/yr . A friend of mine has an apartment in downtown Wgt and apparently his have gone up to $1200/mth ( $14,400/yr). What does this do to the apartment market and/or prices ??
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October 25, 2013 9:56am
martinh

Ross
DPF doesnt say what its gone up from, so its hard to know if its just inflation adjusted or what
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October 25, 2013 9:59am
Pete George

The chance to refresh continues:

Two Nationals MP – Hunua’s Paul Hutchison and list MP Cam Calder – are retiring from politics at next year.

Calder, based in Manurewa, has just revealed he he will not seek re-election at the general election.

Five-term Hunua MP Hutchison is expected to follow with his announcement later today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9326262/National-MPs-to-retire
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October 25, 2013 10:00am
dime

Those body corp fees are insane.

10 stacks a year. $190 a week?

Youd have to earn about 15 grand before tax to cover em. Ouch!
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October 25, 2013 10:01am
hj

Nigel Kearney (526) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

If a New Zealander sells a house to a foreigner, we now have their money and can invest it or even just build a new house with it.
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The process itself guarantees expectations of higher house prices given the dearth of quality real estate in the world. It looks after foreign speculators and property investors.
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October 25, 2013 10:08am
Ross12

martinh
Your query is fair but this is more than inflation –it is all to do with the earthquake insurance increases and upgrades etc ( where required)
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October 25, 2013 10:10am
Yoza

James Stephenson (1,669) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 9:35 am

cause history shows…

No! This time we’ll do socialism *properly*…

Wow! You really don’t get that skit, do you James. It was a commentary on the illegitimacy of the arbitrary exercise of authority, it is almost exactly what Russell Brand was expressing in the Paxman interview.
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October 25, 2013 10:20am
hj

“Nicole Kenaston’s dreams of owning a home in Miami keep getting dashed. The 32-year-old federal government worker says she’s bid on at least five houses in the past three years and each time lost out to an overseas buyer paying cash. “I’ll find a place I like and can get financing for, and the all-cash buyers will come in and pay above market for it,” says Kenaston. “It’s heartbreaking.”

Foreign investment in Florida real estate—a perennial favorite for Canadian snowbirds and wealthy South Americans—has been on a tear since the end of the recession, according to a March report by the National Association of Realtors. Overseas home buyers accounted for 7.3 percent of statewide residential sales by dollar amount in 2007; the figure climbed to 19 percent in the 12 months ended June 2012, the most recent data available. Florida accounted for a quarter of all U.S. residential real estate sales to foreigners during that period, the highest level nationwide. “It feels like 2003 in South Florida,” says Peter Zalewski, owner of Condo Vultures, a brokerage and consulting firm based in Miami, looking back to the early days of the state’s housing boom. ”
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-22/foreign-buyers-drive-floridas-housing-recovery

Strange Bed fellows
http://liberation.typepad.com/liberation/2012/02/guest-blog-post-john-moore-leftwing-xenophobia-in-new-zealand.html
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October 25, 2013 10:25am
RightNow

Russell Brand is a hedonistic capitalist.
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October 25, 2013 10:25am
All_on_Red

” his body corp fees for his apartment are up to $9900/yr . A friend of mine has an apartment in downtown Wgt and apparently his have gone up to $1200/mth ( $14,400/yr)”

It may be caused by a high Insurance Premium given the Earthquake risk in Welly. Lots of buildings down there are getting hammered with rising insurance costs.
The Body Corp pays the insurance.
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October 25, 2013 10:59am
James Stephenson

It was a commentary on the illegitimacy of the arbitrary exercise of authority…

Alternatively it’s a satire of “Revolutionaries” who, at the end of the day, are still peasants grovelling in the shit.
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October 25, 2013 11:02am
Paulus

I have a non trading shelf New Zealand company.
The company will buy any house that a foreigner wants.
I will then rent (being the buying fee) the house to the foreigner under agreement with them buying the house after 12 months say.
Cannot find a CGT either in that ?
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October 25, 2013 11:11am
Weihana

Nigel Kearney (526) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

If a New Zealander sells a house to a foreigner, we now have their money…

We? Where do I collect my share? 🙂

…we now have their money and can invest it or even just build a new house with it.

I’m not sure how building a new house means “we” benefit. Remember, before the foreigner purchased the house “we” had a house. If they purchase a house and “we” build a new house, “we” finish off where “we” left off, namely with a house. “We” don’t have two houses because “we” are up an additional foreigner so the availability increases in proportion with the demand. Meanwhile the additional house requires additional infrastructure and reduces an ultimately limited resource.

Some other investment would be a more promising endeavour that might return a net benefit. But any other investment would take that money away from further housing thereby limiting availability relative to demand and any such investment would have to make up for that and deliver more to really be considered a net benefit. Is this likely? Especially since we really have no idea what happens to the money afterwards. Probably goes back into housing to take advantage of the increased demand.
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October 25, 2013 11:16am
Weihana

Nigel Kearney (526) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 8:53 am

I would also observe that the value of the new house although not increasing the availability of housing would create jobs in that people would be employed to build it. But does that alone make this activity a net benefit to the country? Should we have an immigration policy whereby all you need to do is purchase a house? Seems to me it balances out, maybe slightly one way or the other, but given that space is an important and limited resource we shouldn’t trade on it in this manner. They should have to bring something else, such as skills or additional investment.
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October 25, 2013 11:24am
Reid

See what a chicken nugget looks like under the microscope:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2470623/A-look-chicken-nuggets-microscope-reveals-tissue-bone.html

Mmmmmmm.

Renderings.
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October 25, 2013 11:29am
Weihana

Bovver (26) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 8:13 am

PC craziness in the NZ: http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/better-business/9324911/Store-owner-fined-as-smoko-against-law

Judge David Ruth said the term smoko could mean a refreshment break for some but for others engaged in “this disgusting
habit” it could have a different meaning.

So if it’s reasonable for it to have that meaning shouldn’t the store owner be given the benefit of the doubt?

Carroll, a South African, said he felt compelled to plead guilty to avoid a personal conviction at a time he was applying for residency.

“I just feel the ministry has been very heavy-handed and went after me because I have five stores and appear to be growing. I’ve basically given the ministry the test case they were after and now they’ll go after other retailers.”

…

Lawyer Jamie Eng, acting for the ministry, said the focus of the prosecution was to deter other retailers from breaching the Smokefree Environments Act.

So he has five stores and is obviously a great contribution and this is how we treat him? Make an example out of him, without warning, and for something considered fairly trivial by most standards, and arguably shouldn’t be an offence in the first instance.
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October 25, 2013 11:46am
igm

See a biased Fairfax article berating National for travel costs, has not mentioned Labour, Mana, or Greens. Come on Kiwis, blacklist anything that advertises in this pathetic company’s rags. Maybe then, management will rid readers of the scum masquerading as journos, inhabiting their newsroom, like the piece of rubbish Coleman threw out of NBR last week.
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October 25, 2013 11:53am
dime

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iszwuX1AK6A&feature=player_embedded

Cant wait for this. The Wolf of Wall Street
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October 25, 2013 12:05pm
Yoza

James Stephenson (1,670) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 11:02 am

Alternatively it’s a satire of “Revolutionaries” who, at the end of the day, are still peasants grovelling in the shit.

Obviously the ‘peasants grovelling in the shit’ are there to provide a stark contrast to the King (arbitrarily appointed by some watery tart distributing swords) in his finery.

The ‘peasants’ then completely undermine the ‘King’s’ illusions of authority so thoroughly he ends up physically attacking one of them.
(Help! I’m being repressed! Come and see the violence inherent in the system!)

I know Monty Python also sends up revolutionaries, and there was a little of that in this skit, but the overarching message is that authority is largely illusory and should be challenged.
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October 25, 2013 12:13pm
Manolo

A technologically-advanced nation finds itself fucked: http://freebeacon.com/hhs-predicted-obamacare-exchange-sign-up-would-take-28-minutes/
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October 25, 2013 12:27pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers…..

24 October 2013

‘Open Letter’/OIA to NZ Prime Minister John Key:

“Why have you not ensured that ‘due diligence’ was carried out over the increased risk of money-laundering with the International Convention Centre (Sky City) Bill”?

Dear Prime Minister,

As an ‘anti-corruption’ campaigner, (and 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate), I am deeply concerned at the apparent lack of ‘due diligence’, by yourself, as Prime Minister of New Zealand (‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ ) regarding the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the International Convention Centre (Sky City deal) Bill?

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

Please provide all information which confirms why you failed to do ‘due diligence’ and consult the ‘lead agency’ (OFCANZ) who has responsibility for “making it harder to launder money”,regarding the increased risk of money-laundering arising from the International Convention Centre (Sky City deal) Bill.

(Please be reminded of the role of OFCANZ, as stated on their website: http://www.ofcanz.govt.nz/about-ofcanz

OFCANZ will combat organised crime through:
Leading, coordinating or contributing to policy or legislative changes to make it harder for organised criminals to operate. There will be opportunities to do so by, for example, making it harder to launder money, or obtain false identities, or by increasing information sharing. )

OFFICIAL INFORMATION ACT (OIA) REPLY FROM ORGANISED AND FINANCIAL CRIME AGENCY OF NEW ZEALAND (OFCANZ) – dated 13 August 2013:
http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/SKY-CITY-OFCANZ-OIA-REPLY-NO-DUE-DLIGENCE-RE-MONEY-LAUNDERING-bright-penny-06-c211711-2-sent-reply.pdf

MY ORIGINAL OIA REQUEST TO OFCANZ
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 16:28:05 +1200
Subject: ‘Open Letter/ OIA ‘ request to OFCANZ
re: the increased risk of money-laundering associated with the NZ International Convention Centre Bill 2013
From: Penny Bright

11 July 2013

Sheryl McCormick
Administration

Financial Crime Group | Organised & Financial Crime Agency New Zealand
Police National Headquarters

‘Open Letter/ OIA ‘ request to OFCANZ re: the increased risk of money-laundering associated with the NZ International Convention Centre Bill 2013.

Dear Sheryl,
Can you please forward this ‘Open Letter / OIA request’ to whoever from OFCANZ is responsible for handling such requests.

BACKGROUND:
( re: Potential risk of money laundering )

http://www.med.govt.nz/about-us/publications/publications-by-topic/regulatory-impact-statements/mbie-regulatory-impact-statements/NZICC-RIS-June-2013.pdf

New Zealand International Convention Centre Bill 2013
Regulatory Impact Statement
New Zealand International Convention Centre
Potential risk of money laundering

95: Cash intensive industries such as casinos are attractive to money laundering activity. New Zealand’s National Risk Assessment 2010 assessed casinos as presenting moderate to high risk of money laundering.
For this reason, casinos (including all SkyCity casinos) are subject to the Anti-Money Laundering and Countering Financingof Terrorism Act 2009 (the AML/CFT Act), which comes into force on 30 June 2013.

96: Nothing in the Agreement affects SkyCity’s obligations under the AML/CFT Act. Those obligations include:
a. – developing a risk assessment of the money laundering and terrorism financing risks facing SkyCity

b .- appointing an AML/CFT compliance officer

c. – designing and implementing an AML/CFT programme, which must include:
i. vetting senior managers and staff engaged in AML/CFT related duties
ii. training senior managers and relevant staff on AML/CFT related matters
iii. complying with customer due diligence (CDD) requirements, including determining when enhanced CDD is
required, when simplified CDD might be permitted, and when CDD can be carried out by a person other than
the reporting entity

iv. reporting suspicious transactions

v. monitoring and record keeping, especially in relation to specified high-risk transactions and business
relationships

vi. policies and procedures for how SkyCity will manage and mitigate its risks of money laundering and financing
of terrorism

vii. monitoring and managing compliance with the AML/CFT programme.

97: However, there are aspects of the regulatory concessions that potentially raise the risk of money laundering through SkyCity.

98: For example, the anonymity that can be associated with TITO technology has the potential to facilitate money laundering, by increasing the potential for currency refining and ticket structuring.

In effect, this means that low denomination notes could be fed into one or more gaming machines or kiosks and then be redeemed by ticket into high denomination notes or casino cheques.

Increasing the use of TITO technology (and raising the denominations that can be fed into a machine) may therefore increase the potential for money laundering.

99: Increased use of “white cards” may also lead to increased risk of money laundering.

White cards are an account-based system with a unique identifier that permits transaction sequences to be tracked. However, the form of identification information associated with each card will depend on the “business relationship” between the casino and the white card holder(s).

100: The limits on anonymous cashing-out of TITO and white cards described in paragraphs 69-71 of this paper are aimed at mitigating this potentially higher risk of money laundering.
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

I note the role of OFCANZ, as stated on your website: http://www.ofcanz.govt.nz/about-ofcanz

OFCANZ will combat organised crime through:

Leading, coordinating or contributing to policy or legislative changes to make it harder for organised criminals to operate. There will be opportunities to do so by, for example, making it harder to launder money, or obtain false identities, or by increasing information sharing.

Under the OIA – can OFCANZ please provide the following information:

(1) Copies of all/any Information OFCANZ has provided for the NZ International Convention Centre Bill / or any related Regulatory Impact Report or Statement/ Cabinet re: the increased risk ofmoney-laundering

(2) Information which confirms that the views of OFCANZ on the increased risk of money-laundering were sought by any of the following parties:

a) Department of Internal Affairs
b) Ministry of Economic Development
c) Sky City
d) The Department of the Prime Minister and Cabinet
e) The Office of the Prime Minister
f) Cabinet
g) Any Cabinet Minister (in particular Steven Joyce)

(3) I am also interested in any information held by OFCANZ on how TITO (Tickets In Tickets Out) can be used for money-laundering at casinos.

I would prefer this information to be provided electronically

(4) All/any information held by OFCANZ which raises concerns about the potential increase in ‘organised crime’ as a result of potentially increased money-laundering opportunities through the proposed NZ International Convention Centre Bill.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner
Attendee: Australian Public Sector Anti-Corruption Conference 2009
Attendee: Transparency International

Anti-Corruption Conference 2010

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

…..

________________________________________________________________________________________________

FURTHER BACKGROUND INFORMATION (25 October 2013)

AUCKLAND MAYORAL ELECTION 2013 – RESULTS:

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/EN/AboutCouncil/HowCouncilWorks/Elections/Documents/2013acelectionfinalresultac.pdf

Candidate Affiliation No Votes Received Rank

BRIGHT, Penny Independent 102 11723 (4th)

THE ‘ANTI-CORRUPTION’ ACTION PLAN UPON WHICH I CAMPAIGNED AS AN AUCKLAND MAYORAL CANDIDATE IN 2013:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf
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October 25, 2013 12:28pm
Redbaiter

Russell Brand is a lightweight political neophyte like many full of the Marxist rubbish propagated by the same old global leftist cabal and too naive to know it is just rubbish.

100% of the points the narcissitic loser makes in that discussion can be fully rebutted by reason and logic and information. He is talking complete and utter shit and most notably when he says the world is being destroyed.

This is just hysteria designed to provide political profit to the left. Brand is just a misinformed and brainwashed idiot who only demonstrates the unwelcome success of the subterranean Marxist political movement.

The bad news is that there are millions like him. all politically ignorant and all imbued with the same stupid ideas emanating from the same Marxist propaganda sources.

They’re like locusts, coming in plagues that leave nothing in their wake but barrenness and despair.

Just a damn fool. A useful idiot.
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October 25, 2013 12:44pm
Manolo

The joy of socialism (in France and everywhere it sets its malignant roots):
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-Sports/2013/10/24/French-clubs-to-strike-over-75–tax-rate
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October 25, 2013 12:45pm
Ryan Sproull

100% of the points the narcissitic loser makes in that discussion can be fully rebutted by reason and logic and information. He is talking complete and utter shit and most notably when he says the world is being destroyed.

Paxman displayed an incredible lack of imagination with his “if you don’t vote, you have no credibility” obsession.
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October 25, 2013 12:47pm
Fletch

15 year old girl burned to death by her father for talking on cellphone to her fiance.

A Yemeni father has burned his 15-year-old daughter to death for keeping in touch with her fiance, police said, sparking further outrage in Yemen.

by, The Toronto Sun

Sanaa, Yemen: A Yemeni father has burned his 15-year-old daughter to death for keeping in touch with her fiance, police said, sparking further outrage in Yemen, where an eight-year girl died from internal bleeding on her wedding night a month ago.
Police said a 35-year-old man had been arrested after the teenager’s death in a remote village in the central Taiz province. “The father committed this heinous crime on the pretext that his daughter had been keeping contacts with her fiance,” the police website said on Tuesday, giving no further details.

Some local news websites reported that the father had caught the girl chatting by telephone with her fiance.

Link includes image –

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2013/10/sharia-in-action-15-year-old-girl-burned-to-death-by-her-father-for-talking-on-the-cell-phone.html

WTF is wrong with these people?
It’s just barbaric.
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October 25, 2013 12:48pm
Reid

Cant wait for this. The Wolf of Wall Street

dime, empty things are for the empty, and full things for the full.

2 Esdras 7:25
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October 25, 2013 12:55pm
Ryan Sproull

Fletch, was it you who mentioned the Yemeni 12-year-old bride raped to death on her wedding night a month or so back?
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October 25, 2013 12:56pm
nasska

Reid

….”See what a chicken nugget looks like”….

To see how some of this garbage is made have a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Food_extrusion

A few years ago I & a few others who were being softened up to invest in a business set to produce fruit leather were given a demo of one of these machines. Tip something in one end & it comes out the other like toothpaste. That tin of jellychicken or similar is the result of a laid out chook complete with guts & feathers going through the mincer. Many breakfast foods are extruded.

If nothing else the demo resulted in a few scratchings from the weekly shopping list.
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October 25, 2013 12:58pm
Weihana

Redbaiter (5,919) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 12:44 pm

He is talking complete and utter shit and most notably when he says the world is being destroyed.

Isn’t that what you preach day in and day out? Just a different agency responsible for the alleged destruction…
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October 25, 2013 1:03pm
Reid

Many breakfast foods are extruded.

As long as it doesn’t include avocadoes, sardines or toast I’m disappointed but not concerned nasska.

Seriously though it’s a shocker isn’t it. I wonder how many execs who work in these food outfits and make production decisions such as these actually allow their own children to eat their products? That would be an interesting statistic.
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October 25, 2013 1:11pm
Kea

I see the Madeleine Mccann drama is being ignited again by the media. It helps that the whole production has been professionally managed from day one by hired media and PR people. They were employed by the parents, and paid for, along with property and debts, by donations from guilible halfwits.

I agree with the conclusions of the Police and independant investigators. The parents are behind it. The mother has looked contrived and unconvincing from day one. I was not surprise to hear she was behind it all. She is clearly seeking money and fame.
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October 25, 2013 1:19pm
nasska

Kea

Have a look at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_syndrome_by_proxy
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October 25, 2013 1:24pm
Jack5

Nigel Kearney posted at 8.53:

If a New Zealander sells a house to a foreigner, we now have their money and can invest it or even just build a new house with it. …

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of the Treasury suggestion, Nigel, you cannot assume the money will be reinvested in NZ.

The seller may be Australia bound with all assets. Or if they stay, perhaps they rent a house.

The seller might then spend half the amount received in overseas travel in the next two or three years, and much of the rest on imported big-ticket consumer goods: a couple of cars, TVs, smart phones and tablets for everyone in the family, new home appliances, a home theatre system, Sky TV (assuming they didn’t subscribe previously) and where much of its revenue goes on overseas programme content.
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October 25, 2013 1:26pm
Jack5

Paulus, responding to Nigel K at 11.11, presumably rhetorically, posted:

I have a non trading shelf New Zealand company…

What do you mean by this term, Paulus? If such a company buys a house it cannot be “non-trading”.

And “shelf” means, or used to mean, the stack of companies registered by an accountant or such, with names such as Dream 1, Dream 2, etc. These were ready for sale and could be changed with new name, etc. It was supposed to be a cheaper, more convenient and quicker means of forming a company. There was nothing sinister in the term.

NZ company registration has been regarded as very lax internationally, but is being tightened up. However, I don’t see how it relates to the Treasury suggestion and general discussion on whether there should be controls on foreigners buying existing houses, along the lines of the controls that exist in many countries.
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October 25, 2013 1:37pm
Reid

The rise of the sheeple. http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-21/guest-post-rise-sheeple

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O0azojPPRhw
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October 25, 2013 1:44pm
Elaycee

Tournament Parking strikes again! And no surprises it’s their name in the news again – for all the wrong reasons!

Man is having dinner with daughter / is told his vehicle has been clamped. The previous owner (last year) apparently owes fines totalling $195. Man with daughter protests – explains he is the recent owner, but clamper is adamant – unless he can prove ownership change dates, money has to be paid before he releases the clamp. Impasse. Police not interested – (civil matter). So the poor bugger has to pay $195 to this cowboy outfit (Tournament Parking) for the clamp to be released so he can take his daughter home.

Of course, it’s subsequently proven the fines were not his. So he is due a refund / an apology from Tournament Parking, right? Nah… of course not.

Tournament Parking general manager Rachel Valentine did not respond to Herald phone or email inquiries, but another company official said it had taken steps to direct the money back into Mr Cleaver’s account.

The term ‘customer service’ is clearly foreign to Tournament Parking. Apparently, the man is still waiting for his refund (24 Oct).

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11146214
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October 25, 2013 1:48pm
Kea

nasska, It is always so much sadder when the victim is blonde and pretty. I noted no less than three stories about attractive blondes on the front page of Stuff this morning.
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October 25, 2013 1:57pm
OneTrack

“WTF is wrong with these people? It’s just barbaric.”

Just more “diversity”. Which is good, isn’t it?
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October 25, 2013 2:01pm
dime

Kea – Family Guy did a good pisstake.

Media all going ape shit about a missing girl. Then the police update it – turns out shes not a small blonde girl, shes Puerto Rican.. the media all look disappointed and walk off.
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October 25, 2013 2:03pm
Reid

Speed riding Mont Blanc

http://vimeo.com/36398302
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October 25, 2013 2:05pm
dime

From Forbes:

Nearly half of all home purchases in the month of September were paid for in cold hard cash, as tight lending conditions continue edge out traditional buyers and investors continue to scoop up inventory.

All-cash deals accounted for 49% of sales across the U.S., according to a new report from RealtyTrac. That’s up from 40% in August and 30% in September of 2012.

“The housing market continues to skew in favor of investors, particularly deep-pocketed institutional investors, and other buyers paying with cash,” says Daren Blomquist, vice president at RealtyTrac.

Im surprised we don’t have more of this. Divert 20 mill of a kiwi saver fund into properties.. buy 25 houses @ 750 a pop.. rent em out. get 5-6% and flick em in two years for a sweet gain.

Or leverage and buy 50-80 houses..
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October 25, 2013 2:05pm
Jack5

Dime, the fund might have a good 12 months or so before a capital gains tax arrives.
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October 25, 2013 2:11pm
Kea

dime, the saturation coverage every time a hot blonde chic goes missing, or is harmed, is ridiculous and a further sign of how superficial and image obsessed our society has become.

Every seen the movie “Precious” ?

Don’t. It is terribly sad and I know it happens.
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October 25, 2013 2:11pm
Manolo

Turning to the UN to contain Obama. Supreme irony.
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/10/24/exclusive_germany_brazil_turn_to_un_to_restrain_american_spies
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October 25, 2013 2:22pm
Scott Chris

Paxman displayed an incredible lack of imagination with his “if you don’t vote, you have no credibility” obsession.

Yes, dogma is the fall-back position for those who lack imagination. But there won’t be a revolution any time soon as John Lennon so perceptively wrote:

They keep you doped with religion, sex and TV
And you think you’re so clever and classless and free
But you’re all fucking peasants as far as I can see
A working class hero is something to be

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve-mANenpC4
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October 25, 2013 2:28pm
Redbaiter

Re clampers- there is a simple solution and I would do it if I was ever clamped.

I would call a tow truck and tow the vehicle home and on to my property (don’t leave it outside in the street) and then remove the clamp by whatever means necessary and keep it.

Everyone did that the fuckers would be out of business in a week.
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October 25, 2013 2:45pm
kowtow

“They keep you doped with religion ,sex and TV”

“They” being Lennon and his ilk. But instead of religion read drugs.

It’s pretty fucking pathetic when you take your philosophy of life from a fucked up entertainer.
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October 25, 2013 3:02pm
Yoza

kowtow (5,487) Says:
October 25th, 2013 at 3:02 pm

It’s pretty fucking pathetic when you take your philosophy of life from a fucked up entertainer.

Yeah, I couldn’t stand that Regan prick, either.
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October 25, 2013 3:21pm
Yoza

Yeah, I couldn’t stand that Reagan prick, either.[edit]
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October 25, 2013 3:32pm
iMP

Be quick, here’s a bootleg trailer of the new “Noah” epic (Russell Crow). Won’t be up for long.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/10/25/be-quick-sneak-peek-trailer-crowe-as-noah/
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October 25, 2013 3:33pm
Reid

It’s a shame the first thing Noah did when he reached dry land was get drunk and expose himself, isn’t it. Thus starting the whole thing all over again. God has shown us remarkable tolerance, such a shame so many are so profoundly lost they don’t even acknowledge He exists let alone bother to acquaint themselves with the way of the truth, the life and the light.
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October 25, 2013 3:45pm
Dennis Horne

No question at all the Portuguese police stuffed up. Preposterous blaming the McCanns. They were with a group of other doctors; it’s absurd to suggest there was a conspiracy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disappearance_of_Madeleine_McCann
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October 25, 2013 3:52pm
nickb

Cant wait for this. The Wolf of Wall Street

Taking it you’ve read the books?
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October 25, 2013 3:52pm
Redbaiter

“Isn’t that what you preach day in and day out? ”

Still far too many trolls on GD with nothing to contribute but eager for attention.
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October 25, 2013 3:55pm
Kea

If red does not want his car clamped he could simply respect private property rights.
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October 25, 2013 4:01pm
Dennis Horne

God showing tolerance? Really? Bit back-the-front isn’t it?

There is no plan for mankind; we have to find our own way. Civilisation has a very bleak future, democracy has none. Mumbojumbo isn’t going to help sort the mess out.
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October 25, 2013 4:04pm
Jack5

Many of the lurkers on Kiwiblog’s general debate thread seem very hostile to President Obama. Here’s a bone for them.

Michael Field, one of the few journalists (or really few NZers) with a good grasp of what’s going on in the South Pacific, on Radio NZ’s Labour Programme this morning touched on the Indonesian atrocities in western Papua (next to Papaua New Guinea). This territory was disgracefully handed over by the UN to Indonesia when the Dutch pulled out of this colony. There was no concern for the Papuans’ interests or views. Indonesian colonisation good, Western colonisation bad.

Field was talking about an Asian Humans Rights Commission inquiry into atrocities and torture inflicted by Indonesians on Papuans.

Field said the report should have a warning on the cover it’s content is stark and terrible. The Commission has collected 4000 names of people murdered by the Indonesian military. They call this genocide. The Commission says Australian military helicopters helped.

Here’s the Obama hook. As I recall it in his early autobiography, Obama’s Indonesian step father served or had served in the Indonesian Army, and I think served in Papua.

So this wasn’t Obama’s fault, but undoubtedly conspiracy theorists will seize on it.
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October 25, 2013 4:15pm
Kea

Jack that is nothing compared to giving born and bred Europeans a piece of the middle east because they are Jews.
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October 25, 2013 4:22pm
lazza

Lengate Phase II

See Whaleoils latest post.

“Shes gunna blow! Skipper”. There are more ladies? to come … a trifle indelicate I will own you … but watch this space …

A letter writer put it this way … a rea! good reason why we need some financially savvy trusted brains with integrity at the AC Mayoral helm are needed … and it sure ain’t Len and his current crop of bean-counters…

Quote:

“I can only assume by extrapolation that the super city risks being subject to the whims of your short sightedness and irresponsibility. The looming council debt and the free reign of spending indicates that to be true. Your recent, and not so recent conduct serves only to confirm it!

Read more: An Open Letter to Mayor Len Brown from a reader « Whale Oil Beef Hooked | Cameron Slater Whale Oil Beef Hooked | Cameron Slater http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/open-letter-mayor-len-brown-reader/#ixzz2ihTXGXww
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The bit about AC finances Folks!

it is almost too late already.

AC, will I confidently predict rate in the bottom 10 NZ Councils in our upcoming League Tables due out Feb 2013.

All down to Len and his team of Finance Einstein’s (not) who have NO idea of affordability and debt servicing implications.
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October 25, 2013 4:29pm
kowtow

The Jews fought for and held that land.

All credit to them.

Before that it was British and before that Turkish.They too fought for it and held it.

That’s history. You have to fight for survival and that’s what the Israelis are doing.

We’ll have to do the same,against the same enemies.Just a matter of time.
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October 25, 2013 4:33pm
Redbaiter

“Many of the lurkers on Kiwiblog’s general debate thread seem very hostile to President Obama.”

Maybe but I am not so sure.

The poll in the sidebar is still running 60/40 for Brokeback.

I think since a few prolific resident trolls have taken up residence this has become more a haven for Woman’s Weekly types rather than political types.

Never mind, I’m sure its only a phase.

Sooner or later they’ll all fuck off to some teenage chat room where they can tell their corny jokes and talk about running and body building and other such narcissistic topics to their heart’s content.
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October 25, 2013 4:38pm
Ryan Sproull

It’s a shame the first thing Noah did when he reached dry land was get drunk and expose himself, isn’t it. Thus starting the whole thing all over again. God has shown us remarkable tolerance, such a shame so many are so profoundly lost they don’t even acknowledge He exists let alone bother to acquaint themselves with the way of the truth, the life and the light.

Dude, you can’t acknowledge someone’s existence if you don’t believe they exist.
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October 25, 2013 4:46pm
Tom Jackson

The Jews fought for and held that land.

That’s called “invading”.
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October 25, 2013 4:48pm
Tom Jackson

Dude, you can’t acknowledge someone’s existence if you don’t believe they exist.

You can acknowledge their hypothetical existence without acknowledging actual existence.
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October 25, 2013 4:50pm
Kea

Kowtow the Jews were given it and were backed up by the USA. To this day they suck like ticks on a bankrupt America. While American people fight the enemies of the fake nation of Israel.

You often cry out for death and destruction in the middle east. How about we wipe out the real problem that endangers global security.
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October 25, 2013 4:51pm
Redbaiter

“That’s called “invading”.”

Well you better head back to the UK right now, or be known as a rank hypocrite.

Your choice.
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October 25, 2013 4:51pm
Kea

Red you have your very own ignorant hate site. Why do you pollute this prog sewer troll farm ?
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October 25, 2013 4:54pm
nasska

Tom

Land has been lost by conquest since humankind formed themselves into groups. In this case control of the area on which modern day Israel stands was held by the Turks from about 1850. The original inhabitants lost the battle.

Then the Turks got on the wrong side in WW1 & had their arses handed to them….the area they controlled was divided between (mandated) by the French & the British. The original inhabitants were not consulted….they went with the land.

That the Jews were allowed to settle & form a nation is not denied but the land involved had been lost by the Arabs nearly a century prior…..it didn’t belong to them.
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October 25, 2013 5:01pm
Tom Jackson

Land has been lost by conquest since humankind formed themselves into groups. In this case control of the area on which modern day Israel stands was held by the Turks from about 1850. The original inhabitants lost the battle.

There was this thing called World War 2, and it was so bad that the world’s nations came together and deemed aggressive war to be the supreme crime and that nobody should be able to hang on to territory gained by conquest. The foundation of Israel was a study in ethnic cleansing, although it wasn’t called that then.

But that was a long time ago. What’s objectionable now is that there are millions of people living under military occupation with no civil rights.

All of this would have likely been sorted out long ago were it not for the fact that we aren’t allowed to talk about Jewish racism, which has led to it running unchecked and to the more racist elements in the Jewish community getting a free pass. Geez it’s only a couple of days since Sheldon Adelson was giving a talk at Yeshiva University in New York where he recommended dropping a nuclear weapon into Iranian territory.

If the rest of us were allowed to openly call out Jewish racism, the community would have been shamed into ending the occupation years ago.

Well you better head back to the UK right now, or be known as a rank hypocrite.

How many adult indigenous New Zealanders other than felons lack the vote or lack basic civil rights?
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October 25, 2013 5:15pm
publicwatchdog

Solicitor-General to to ‘assume responsibility for the prosecution’ of Mr Banks.

“25 October 2013

Dear Ms Bright and Ms Prager

New Zealand Private Prosecution Service Ltd vs the Honorable John Archibald Banks:
Request for Solicitor-General intervention: Our Ref SOL 115/2464

Thank you for your email of 21 October 2013 requesting that I intervene in the private prosecution of Mr Banks.

I have written to the District Court at Auckland today, advising of my decision to assume responsibility for the prosecution.

Yours faithfully,

Crown Law
Michael Heron
Solicitor-General ”

(A copy of this letter should be up soon on http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com )

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
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October 25, 2013 5:22pm
Tom Jackson

That’s history. You have to fight for survival and that’s what the Israelis are doing.

They have nuclear weapons. They are quite safe.

We’ll have to do the same,against the same enemies.Just a matter of time.

I didn’t realise you were a lunatic.
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October 25, 2013 5:22pm
kowtow

The Jews were not given it.

The British mandate was partitioned. The Arabs refused to recognise that and went to war.They invaded.Lebanese,Jordanians,Iraqis,Egyptians,Syrians.

The Israelis held on and are still there.
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October 25, 2013 5:28pm
nasska

Tom

….”The northern Kingdom of Israel, as well as Philistine city-states, fell in 722 BCE, though the southern Kingdom of Judah and several Phoenician city-states continued their existence as the region came under Assyrian rule”….

Then:

….” conflict erupted in 167 BCE with the Maccabean Revolt, which succeeded in establishing an independent Hasmonean Kingdom in Judah, which later expanded over much of modern Israel, as the Seleucids gradually lost control in the region.”….

Then:

….”The Roman Empire invaded the region in 63 BCE, first taking control of Syria, and then intervening in the Hasmonean civil war. The struggle between pro-Roman and pro-Parthian factions in Judea eventually led to the installation of Herod the Great and consolidation of the Herodian Kingdom as a vassal Judean state of Rome”…..

Then:

….”In 635 CE, the region, including Jerusalem, was conquered by Arabs. It remained under Muslim control and predominately Muslim occupancy for the next 1300 years”…..

And then:

….”In 1516, the region was conquered by the Ottoman Empire; it remained under Turkish rule until the end of the First World War, when Britain defeated the Ottoman forces and set up a military administration across the former Ottoman Syria”….

Until:

…In 1920 the territory was divided under the mandate system, and the area which included modern day Israel was named Mandatory Palestine”….

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel

So don’t you think that rather than crawling up the arses of of the Arabs (who for the most part migrated from Trans Jordan after WW2) we should try to find the descendants of the original Israelites & give the land back to them.

Tampering with history should be left to the experts such as modern day Maori & the TOW bludgers.
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October 25, 2013 5:34pm
nickb

Does anyone known why Cactus Kate is no longer blogging and her archives have all disappeared?
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October 25, 2013 5:36pm
Pauleastbay

Does anyone known why Cactus Kate is no longer blogging and her archives have all disappeared?

You don’t fuck with Larry Ellison’s garage.

Or she’s applied for a top job and and is cleaning the stables.
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October 25, 2013 5:46pm
Elaycee

Great news:

Three … …protestors who damaged the Waihopai spy base in Marlborough now face $1.2 million damages claim, after the Court of Appeal found against them.

Unlucky.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9327998/Protesters-face-1-2m-bill
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October 25, 2013 6:14pm
Tom Jackson

So don’t you think that rather than crawling up the arses of of the Arabs (who for the most part migrated from Trans Jordan after WW2) we should try to find the descendants of the original Israelites & give the land back to them.

You’re being silly. The issue is the nearly 3,000,000 people living under military occupation in the West Bank, and the other 1.7 million living in an open air prison called Gaza. Those territories are not recognised as part of Israel by any other country, and any settlements in them are violations of international law. The Israelis who live in the West Bank are for the most part ultraconservative religious racists, who even the other Israelis can’t stand. I’ve met some of these people: their levels of ethnocentrism and bigotry defy description.

No sane person is talking about which country controlled what way back when. The issue is the ordinary people who lived there, and whose ancestors had lived here for hundreds of years in the same place, being ethnically cleansed and deprived of their property for no good reason other than to assuage western guilt.

And your little story about Palestine being somehow empty has been largely disproved – by Israeli historians. The creation of Israel was an act of ethnic cleansing.
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October 25, 2013 6:27pm
nasska

….”The issue is the ordinary people who lived there, and whose ancestors had lived here for hundreds of years in the same place, being ethnically cleansed and deprived of their property for no good reason other than to assuage western guilt.”….

So you are happy to go back “hundreds” of years but not “thousands”.

Why? The principles involved don’t change with time. Is it just that Western civilisation can’t be made the whipping boy & pay the price?
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October 25, 2013 6:42pm
CrazyIvan

I see that the three Waihopai saboteurs lost their case in the Court of Appeal and have to pay for the damages they caused. Good job. No money will be got out of them, but it might make others think about damaging someone else’s property for a [stupid] political cause.
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