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Harriet

Harriet Tubman once said:

“I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed 1,000 more if only they knew they were slaves.”

Manhood begins in the womb! 😎
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October 23, 2013 8:00am
Reid

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=QPKKQnijnsM
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October 23, 2013 8:03am
gravedodger

Rachel Smellie has taken the hour from 5 till 6 am on weekday mornings.

Total waste of an hour when productive New Zealand is winding up to create wealth. Socialist ‘bimbo’, just parroting lines from the offices of Silent T and the XXXX commie.

Radio Live gets an opportunity to make hay.
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October 23, 2013 8:05am
Samuel Smith

Anybody else think the “poll of polls” should be updated on this blog?

Does anyone really think Act, United Future and the Maori Party will exist after the next election?
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October 23, 2013 8:08am
Andrew

@Samual – stranger things have happened. Pollsters usually wait for individual electorate polls before changing seat assumptions, otherwise they can be accused of all sorts of manipulations.
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October 23, 2013 8:30am
Samuel Smith

I wonder if this pollster would have the same view if all three parties were supporting Labour and not National?

It is my understanding both Act and United Future are polling 0.0%. I find it hard to see John Banks or Peter Dunne getting more than 5% of the electorate vote next time round.
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October 23, 2013 8:32am
Ross12

Sam

Banks and Dunne have got into Parliament by winning an electorate seat , not by their parties getting over 5%.
Time you did abit more studying of the rules if you are capable of that.
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October 23, 2013 8:40am
Paulus

Penny Webster has discovered that a National MP was behind the Lyin Len scandal. Anything to divert attention from the shitbag.

Well Penny – front up or FO.
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October 23, 2013 8:42am
kowtow

Another celebration of diversity and multiculturalism.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/10396170/Taxpayers-foot-350k-legal-bill-for-Muslim-pubic-hair-battle.html
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October 23, 2013 8:44am
Alan

The methodology on the poll of polls has been consistent for a while. Whilst agreeing ACT and UF are dead, screwing about with methodology isn’t wise. This way trends are apparent.

Worth noting it shows Cunliffe is heading for power.
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October 23, 2013 8:50am
gravedodger

I understood it was Webster who gave the Brown Camp the heads up.
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October 23, 2013 9:14am
Nookin

I suspect the Brown camp knew all along. Too many people were exposed to the affair — hotel staff, the security guard, countless others who could not have failed to have seen what was happening. It beggars belief that their strategies were not in place in case it all hit the fan.
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October 23, 2013 9:21am
dime

The new iPad Air is a touch underwhelming..

Dime needs a new tablet. Currently have an ipad2, an asus windows rt (piece of shit) and a nexus 7..

Its going to come down to the new samsung note 10.1 or the ipad.. I think id miss airplay so maybe another ipad. keep a foot in every eco system!
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October 23, 2013 9:23am
liarbors a joke

Go and focus on something that is actually happening you tools..like this

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9314323/The-ocean-is-broken

Rather than speculating and trying to scare people…like this

http://www.stuff.co.nz/environment/9314285/Oil-spill-projections-paint-big-black-stain
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October 23, 2013 9:32am
Nookin

“Worth noting it shows Cunliffe is heading for power”

Not necessarily this time. The cracks are starting to show. He is going to have issues with the unions over the fine print which he did not disclose when promising the living wage. It is now clear that there are provisos. He is going to have a power struggle with the Greens. Turei has just shown that they can’t be trusted and are more interested in self-aggrandizement.

There is no way Cunliffe will want Nornan any where near finance . Norman, on the other hand, is driven by his own socialist agenda and will settle for nothing less than a power base from which to embark on social engineering. Notice how Norman has gone very, very quiet while he works out a way of dealing with Cunliffe?

Winston’s ego will demand that he is in the limelight for his last three years. He will do that by dealing with National and taking huge delight in squeezing some cojones or by dealing with Labour to the exclusion of the Greens. Expect to see Winnie driving a wedge between Labour and the Greens. Labour will relish it. They will get their votes back ( the one that Curran says were “white-anted”).Or will they? Labour is already internally conflicted. They have made promises they know they cannot keep and that will enhance the conflict. Throw in Peters and the Greens, which is a bit like throwing petrol onto the fire and then add a dose of Hone and Minto and all of a sudden you have a huge leftside shit fight.

Cunliffe’s promises are taking the party to the left. His instincts and common sense are pulling him to the centre. He won’t be able to keep this up for 12 months — esp in an election year.
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October 23, 2013 9:44am
Ross12

I think the lefty MSM continue to under estimate Cam Slater. Here he very simply sorts the “wood from the trees” on their latest attempt to say it is all National’s fault as they knew about it and a Nat MP tipped off the Brown camp

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/10/focus-back-brown-team-threatening-texts/#disqus_thread
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October 23, 2013 9:51am
Samuel Smith

@Ross12 – I mean what I said. I can’t see Dunne or Banks getting more than 5% in their electorates.

Admittedly, using 5% as a figure was not the best example as it is the same number for a party to meet the threshold to enter parliament without winning an electorate seat.
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October 23, 2013 10:22am
Andronicus

Thanks for the video, Reid. The ugly face of capitalism brilliantly and clearly portrayed.
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October 23, 2013 10:23am
Fletch

Video compilation of Obama’s “fainting women” act that he stages all the time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGZ4WeQwmIk

People might not have caught on in the past, but this is in the information age.
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October 23, 2013 10:57am
dime

I gotta ask. Who the hell dresses the Greens leader?

Check the picture in the herald lmao bright pink jacket. She looks beyond ridiculous. I guess shes trying to look statesmanlike? HAHAHA
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October 23, 2013 11:00am
CuriousGeorge

Good on Penny Webster for passing on the information to Brown, his family at least deserved to know before it became public.

Of course we could never expect a cheater to reveal the details themselves as they only cheat because they think they can get away with it. The younger Slater waited for his mistress to tell his wife about his affair (as per court documents – imagine her horror!) so it stands to reason Brown would say nothing unless he was forced to.

The real question though is do politicians & public figures have the right to some limits with respect to their private lives, as suggested by Brown on the radio this morning? Do we need to know this level of detail in order to make an informed choice about who is a suitable candidate? If so then how do go about finding out whether Williamson, Key, Ryall, Carter, Joyce, Collins, Parata, Tolley & McCully aren’t just as bad?

Just this week there was rumours of an affair in parliament, but if the mistress or wife doesn’t talk then it seems to stay out of the public eye – which means that people need to consider the fact that just because dirt hasn’t been dished on your beloved MPs it doesn’t mean to say that it doesn’t exist.

So do we want to know all the dirt or not? And if we do, who do we genuinely think would be left to stand? Who do we genuinely think is of good character, who wouldn’t ever cheat, who wouldn’t have sex during work time at work (including masturbation), who has never been promiscuous, who keeps their word & therefore is likely to be able to be trusted with taxpayer & ratepayer funds & resources?

I reckon Steven Joyce is trustworthy. But that’s about as long as my list gets.
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October 23, 2013 11:00am
bhudson

Mallard also attacked the Prime Minister for saying MPs pay should not go up this year as it confused the public about the independence of the process.

http://parliamenttoday.co.nz/2013/10/mps-pay-bill-receives-support/

Trev should be applauded at least for managing to lift his snout out of the trough long enough to say something.
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October 23, 2013 11:09am
Fletch

Interesting.

A man that lived next door to the compound in Pakistan where Osama Bin Laden was supposed to have been killed has appeared on the SAMAA television station in Pakistan saying that no one made it out of there alive. Only one helicopter landed and it exploded and no one made it back out into the air.

Of course, no one got to see Bin Laden’s body later on. The U.S refused to show any proof and said they “buried him at sea”, although no sailers ever claim to have seen that either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFXIDjOJB5s#t=113

Is he telling the truth? Who knows.
I think it is hard to tell what is truth and what is not these days.
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October 23, 2013 11:21am
Samuel Smith

I see the Young Knats are trying to disown Luigi Wiwege.

A bit late.
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October 23, 2013 11:44am
Manolo

Griff will be delighted. The always useless UN:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/direct-action-dangerous-nsw-bushfires-linked-to-climate-change-un/story-e6frg6xf-1226744247249
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October 23, 2013 12:24pm
Pete George

MPs’ pay to be fixed for the term of Parliament.

MPs’ pay to be fixed for the term of Parliament

MPs pay will be fixed for each term of Parliament, if an amendment proposed by the independent MP Brendan Horan is adopted.

“Back in December I promised that I would put forward an amendment in a bid to get Parliament to agree that salaries would be set by the Remuneration Authority before the next General Election. The salaries would apply for the three year term of each Parliament.

“Now that the Government has given the bill its second reading, I have formally introduced the Supplementary Order Paper

“I have written to all parties in Parliament seeking their support,” said Brendan Horan.

If adopted, the new law would still require the Remuneration Authority to independently set the salaries of MPs. The difference is that the determination would be published about three months before the election.

“That way, every candidate running for Parliament and all voters will know the remuneration of MPs for the next three years. Voters will choose their MPs, and we’ll have an end to the spectacle of Christmas pay rises,” said Brendan Horan.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1310/S00356/mps-pay-to-be-fixed-for-the-term-of-parliament.htm

Just what DPF wanted.

It will be interesting to see if Horan gets support for this. I hope so.
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October 23, 2013 1:14pm
LabourDoesntWork

Wealth inequality is only getting worse thanks to banksterism, corporatism, and crony capitalism. These are all enemies of economic freedom and economic mobility – the only things that actually work to lift people out of poverty or into the middle class.

The divide between the leaders of the left and those who support them is apparent again, here: The leaders spin their efforts as “addressing the problem” of “inequality” as they take control of more of the economy – through “redistribution”, rackets like “alternative energy”, ever more taxes and regulation, unconstitutional powergrabs like Obamacare, and the usual money laundering via the unions to political allies. The people who support them buy the rhetoric but don’t care much to think about the reality. The problem snowballs, justifying ever more intervention for the “good” of “the people”, because Big Government IS Big Business. In fact it’s the biggest business of all, and if you’re not sucking up to your government as an American or business owner (e.g. as a health insurer who’s really, really looking forward to Obamacare while your customers all hate it), you’ve got a target on your back.
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October 23, 2013 1:28pm
Fletch

While in the U.S, a new report is saying that there have been fewer tornadoes, wildfires, extreme heat or hurricane this year – in fact they are at historically low levels.

There have been many forecasts in the news in recent years predicting more and more extreme weather-related events in the US, but for 2013 that prediction has been way off the mark. Whether you’re talking about tornadoes, wildfires, extreme heat or hurricanes, the good news is that weather-related disasters in the US are all way down this year compared to recent years and, in some cases, down to historically low levels.

Tornadoes
To begin with, the number of tornadoes in the US this year is on pace to be the lowest total since 2000 and it may turn out to be the lowest total in several decades. The table below lists the number of tornadoes in the US for this year (through 10/17) and also for each year going back to 2000.
(Source: NOAA, http://www.spc.noaa.gov/climo/online/monthly/newm.html)

Year         # of Tornadoes
2013                    771
2012                   1119
2011                   1894
2010                   1543
2009                  1305
2008                  1685
2007                  1102
2006                  1117
2005                   1262
2004                   1820
2003                   1374
2002                   938
2001                   1219
2000                   1072

Wildfires
Second, the number of wildfires across the US so far this year is on pace to be the lowest it has been in the past ten years and the acreage involved is at the second lowest level in that same time period (table below).
(Source: National Interagency Fire Center; http://www.nifc.gov/)

2013            Fires: 40,306           Acres: 4,152,390
2012            Fires: 67,774           Acres: 9,326,238
2011            Fires: 74,126           Acres: 8,711,367
2010            Fires: 62,471           Acres: 3,233,461
2009            Fires: 78,792           Acres: 5,921,786
2008            Fires: 80,094           Acres: 5,254,109
2007          Fires: 85,822           Acres: 9,321,326
2006            Fires: 96,358           Acres: 9,871,939
2005            Fires: 66,552           Acres: 8,686,753
2004            Fires: 63,608           Acres: 8,097,880
*2013 data through 10/16

Extreme Heat
In addition to wildfires, extreme heat is also way down across the US this year. In fact, the number of 100 degree days across the country during 2013 is not only down for this year, but it is perhaps going to turn out to be the lowest in about 100 years of records (chart below).

The five summers with the highest number of 100 degree days across the US are as follows: 1936, 1934, 1954, 1980 and 1930. In addition to the vast reduction in 100 degree days across the US this year, the number of high temperature records (ie hi max and hi min records) is way down compared to a year ago with 22,965 records this year as compared with 56,885 at this same time last year.
(Source: NOAA, http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/extremes/records/; through 10/17).

Hurricanes
Finally, as far as hurricanes are concerned and keeping in mind that the season isn’t over yet, there have been only two hurricanes so far this year in the Atlantic Basin (Humberto and Ingrid) and they were both short-lived and weak category 1 storms. Also, the first forming hurricane this year occurred at the second latest date going back to the mid 1940’s when hurricane hunters began to fly. Overall, the tropical season in the Atlantic Basin has been generally characterized by short-lived and weak systems.

In addition, this suppressed tropical activity has not been confined to just the Atlantic Ocean. The eastern Pacific Ocean has had no major hurricanes this season meaning there has been no major hurricane in either the Atlantic or eastern Pacific which only occurred one other year in recorded history – 1968. This is actually quite extraordinary since the two basins are generally out of phase with each other i.e. when one is inactive the other is active.

One of the best ways to measure “total seasonal activity” in the tropics is through an index called the Accumulated Cyclone Energy (ACE) which is a metric that accounts for both intensity and duration of named tropical storms. Indeed, the ACE for this tropical season so far in the Atlantic Basin is only 29% percent of normal (through 10/17) when compared to the climatological average from 1981-2010 and it is the 7th lowest since 1950. Elsewhere, the ACE across the northern hemisphere is only 58% of normal and global ACE is 62% of normal.
(Source: Dr. Ryan Maue at Weather Bell Analytics; http://models.weatherbell.com/tropical.php)

Finally, another interesting stat with respect to hurricanes has to do with the fact that we are currently in the longest period since the Civil War Era without a major hurricane strike in the US (i.e., category 3, 4 or 5). The last major hurricane to strike the US was Hurricane Wilma during late October of that record-breaking year of 2005 – let’s hope this historic stretch continues. By the way, just as a point of comparison, in 1954 the US was hit by 3 major hurricanes in less than 10 weeks.

http://thesiweather.com/2013/10/18/1100-am-2013-a-year-with-minimal-extreme-weather-events-in-the-us/
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October 23, 2013 1:29pm
LabourDoesntWork

World Is Spending $1 Billion Per Day To Tackle Global Warming
http://www.thegwpf.org/world-spending-1-billion-day-tackle-global-warming/

Must be working. No man-made global warming to be seen!
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October 23, 2013 1:30pm
Pete George

Meanwhile, from the Dark Ages…

Vatican halts remarriage debate before it starts

The Vatican’s chief doctrine official, German Archbishop Gerhard Mueller, wrote that there is no way for Catholics who divorce and remarry to receive Communion unless they get an annulment, a church ruling that their first marriage never really existed.

“God’s mercy does not dispense us from following his commandments or the rules of the church,” he wrote in the Vatican newspaper L’Osservatore Romano.

Church teaching holds that Catholics who don’t have their first marriage annulled before remarrying cannot participate fully in the church’s sacraments because they are essentially living in sin and committing adultery. Such annulments are often impossible to get or can take years to process. The issue has vexed the Vatican for decades and has left generations of Catholics feeling shunned by their church.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/vatican-halts-remarriage-debate-before-starts-5657525

Their church, their rules, but having priests making rules about marriage is like having greenies making rules about drilling, except that priests do let you marry once.
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October 23, 2013 2:10pm
Fletch

New undies that filter out the smell of farts 🙂

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/fashion/9317340/Knickers-that-block-fart-odour
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October 23, 2013 2:33pm
Fletch

PG, this has always been the Catholic standpoint toward marriage.
Nothing new.
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October 23, 2013 2:34pm
KiwiGreg

Auckland City employs 3 economists. About the same as a major NZ bank. Small beer maybe but symptiomatic of the out of control spending.
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October 23, 2013 2:37pm
kowtow

The Dark Ages weren’t dark.
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October 23, 2013 2:49pm
UglyTruth

A man that lived next door to the compound in Pakistan where Osama Bin Laden was supposed to have been killed has appeared on the SAMAA television station in Pakistan saying that no one made it out of there alive. Only one helicopter landed and it exploded and no one made it back out into the air.

When Obama pronounced Osama Bin Laden dead in a televised announcement heard round the world last night, he was at least the ninth major head of state or high-ranking government official to have done so.
http://www.corbettreport.com/osama-bin-laden-pronounced-dead-for-the-ninth-time/
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October 23, 2013 2:59pm
Elaycee

HamnidaV2 / Samuel Smith / whatever name he / she uses this week:

I see the Young Knats are trying to disown Luigi Wiwege.

Given his murky antics, he’d probably feel at home if you invited him over to your place as part of your latest recruitment drive. 😀
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October 23, 2013 3:04pm
Nookin

“I see the Young Knats are trying to disown Luigi Wiwege.”

Not sure if I have ever seen any suggestion that they “owned” him.
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October 23, 2013 3:38pm
KiwiGreg

@ nookin in fact I believe they stated he was never a member.
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October 23, 2013 3:52pm
Fletch

UglyTruth, yeh a bit suspect.

And then a few months later, the entire Seal Team 6 was killed in a suspicious helicopter crash.
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October 23, 2013 4:04pm
UglyTruth

UglyTruth, yeh a bit suspect.

You don’t say.

The Bin Ladens are well connected Saudis who used to have business ties to the Bush crime family.

“The reason why 9/11 is not mentioned on Usama Bin Laden’s Most Wanted page is because the FBI has no hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11” ~ Rex Tomb, FBI

“I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other people.” ~ Osama bin Laden, as reported by the Pakistani newspaper Ummat.
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October 23, 2013 4:31pm
doggone7

Samuel Smith: ” I find it hard to see John Banks or Peter Dunne getting more than 5% of the electorate vote next time round.”

That’s a bit harsh Sam. Can’t you hear him now; “The good folk of Epsom are very astute and they will do what is best for the country.”

The funny thing is that he could get to serve his time in Epsom if things work out well. I’m sure the prison is still there by Auckland Grammar. He’ll still be “in-zone!”
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October 23, 2013 4:49pm
CrazyIvan

Fletch,
The entire SEAL Team 6 were not killed in that helicopter crash. 20 Members of the team were, around 10% of the total ST6 manpower. Its unclear how many of the SEALs killed in the shotdown Chinook were actually involved in the bin Laden raid. The US military says none, other sources say two of the SEALs killed in the Chinook crash were.

So your claim that the entire SEAL Team involved in the bin Laden raid were killed is bunkum; especially given that Matt Bissonnette, one of the raid members published a book a year after the Chinook crash.

I note that the families of those killed are blaming the Afghan government for leaking the Chinook raid and the US government for advertising who conducted the bin Laden raid, which told the Taliban who to target. I don’t see any credible claim that the US government shot the helicopter down.
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October 23, 2013 5:34pm
axeman

Manolo (10,929) Says:
October 23rd, 2013 at 12:24 pm
Griff will be delighted. The always useless UN:
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/policy/direct-action-dangerous-nsw-bushfires-linked-to-climate-change-un/story-e6fr

The ABC lie to link the NSW fires and CAGW. What’s new?
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/if_the_abc_really_wants_to_stop_bushfires_it_could_donate_half_its_budget/
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October 23, 2013 7:07pm
Longknives

Fletch- I thought Obama saving the pregnant woman was marginally less believable than what I saw on WWE Raw tonight…
And how the hell does he manage to be in the ‘right place’ to save all these people so damned often? Surely he should join Marvel Avengers??
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October 23, 2013 7:53pm
nasska

“Mum, how should I dress up at Halloween this year?”

“Just hang your NCEA results around your neck and go as a fucking idiot.”
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October 23, 2013 8:00pm
Kea

Axeman, fires during the fire season in fire areas in forests where fire is an essential part of the eco system and where the bush has evolved to handle fire . . . Is evidence of agw 🙂
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October 23, 2013 8:41pm
Johnboy

Anyone ever wondered why when Turei/Delahunty etc gasp out a few struggling introductory words in Aotearoan on parliament TV. some old Hori dude has to butt in seconds later to laboriously translate what they said into mangled English so you cant hear what the aforementioned worthies say next.

Not that I’m at all interested in anything they have to say of course! 🙂
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October 23, 2013 8:45pm
nasska

It’s part of our rich cultural heritage JB….also a nice little earner for otherwise unemployable bludgers. 🙂
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October 23, 2013 8:51pm
Johnboy

Is that like David’s dead Kotuku or whatever he wears nasska? 🙂
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October 23, 2013 8:56pm
nasska

Go the full monty & shove a takahe bone through their noses for good measure JB. 🙂
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October 23, 2013 8:59pm
nasska

Johnboy

Like me you’ve probably done a few high speed trips over the Rimutakas in your days. I’ve been watching a video of a ten minute bridge to bridge cheek clencher. It’s a pretty heroic 14.6kilometre sprint….I reckon an average speed of 87.6kph:

Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TFhSyfeV84
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October 23, 2013 9:04pm
Johnboy

Speaking of bones nasska, who has the biggest one out of all our MP’s do you think? 🙂
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October 23, 2013 9:06pm
Johnboy

I’ve done 130k over the Wainui hill in an old turbo Toyota Celica nasska and I once run a black and white Mk4 Cortina off the road down at Griffin’s and spotted 90mph on my V8 Mk4 Zephyr as I sobered up at the top of the hill.

The Rima’s are foreign to me! 🙂
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October 23, 2013 9:10pm
nasska

I’ve only been over to Wainui a few times JB but I seem to remember that cambers must have been optional & extra when the road was constructed. 🙂
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October 23, 2013 9:17pm
Johnboy

I had it on good authority that the Ministry of Jerks fed the surveying data into the system with a transposed sign hence positive camber became negative. By the time the fuckwits realised it was going to cost millions to redo the earthworks.
Hence we have the track that we do that tests to the ultimate the skill of the pilot. Calcined bauxite and crash barriers have reduced the toll but the non skid takes a toll on tyre rubber.

I did the 130k on the current road but I ran plod up on the grass on the old road, it took skill to negotiate that one at serious speed! 🙂
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October 23, 2013 9:24pm
wf

Poor old Len- already passé.
We saw nothing, so moved right along –
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October 23, 2013 9:29pm
Left Right and Centre

No-one gave a toss about bushfires, floods or earthquakes before the white fellas moved in…..
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