General Debate 21 October 2013

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Don the Kiwi

Hi ho, hi ho; Its off to work we go. 🙁
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October 21, 2013 8:02am
RRM

Prior to ‘Lengate’ what was the most recent ‘-gate’??

I’m thinking ‘corngate’..??

(But there have been so many -gates that I can’t really remember.)

If Len had gone in the tradesman’s entrance at one point, and when he pulled out afterwards there’d been a bit of corn on it, and then Helen Clark signed a fake painting of this awful scene, would we be calling this whole sorry affair ‘Corngate’, ‘Paintergate’, ‘Lengate’, or … other??
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October 21, 2013 8:08am
jcuk

Seven million for ashes and nothing for the living in Rotorua.
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October 21, 2013 8:13am
Manolo

Will he be the next president? http://ca.news.yahoo.com/senator-cruz-returns-texas-welcome-shutdown-battle-043355751.html
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October 21, 2013 8:22am
RRM

I hope he can produce his birth certificate…
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October 21, 2013 8:26am
Camryn

I may have missed something, but if Len had multiple mistresses then how did he know which one to tell his wife about before the story broke? If Whale did a good job protecting her identity, then was it her that gave him a heads up or what? How did the anonymous texter know to send the texts?
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October 21, 2013 8:30am
calendar girl

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9305871/Taliban-bomb-explodes-close-to-ex-NZ-MP

Gay Labour former MP Chris Carter working in Afghanistan for Helen Clark’s UN Development Programme. Another example of how the left looks after its own with jobs that they would be unlikely to secure under their own steam.
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October 21, 2013 8:32am
RRM

The left looks after its own by scoring them “sweet” jobs in war zones where they almost get blown up by suicide bombers?

It’s a bit like Col. Melchett Sending Cpl. Darling to the front on the eve of the big push isn’t it?

The limitless treachery of the left eh! 🙂
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October 21, 2013 8:42am
MT_Tinman

Wasn’t Darling a captain?
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October 21, 2013 8:48am
RRM

Probably – it’s been a while since I’ve watched any of those!
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October 21, 2013 8:53am
dime

Dimes best bud is in LA. Shes about to buy a watch. 10 stacks.

She just txt to say she forgot about sales tax. I think its another grand on top.. I should ask..

Got me thinking – imagine if all our prices were excluding GST and they jabbed you at the check out?

People would actually realise how much tax they are paying.

“nice plasma sir, that will be $1150”

“fuck off bro! stocker says a grand!”

“its plus GST sir”

“thats not fair. only the rich should pay that! im on a benefit.”

then winston would say all gold card holders should be exempt etc.. fuck maybe we should leave it how it is
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October 21, 2013 8:59am
calendar girl

Tel me how much he’s being paid, RRM, before you attempt to suggest this isn’t a job you or I wouldn’t jump at.
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October 21, 2013 9:07am
MT_Tinman

Where were you hiding all the gun, soon to be All Black, fantastic Jafa rugby players on Saturday Dime?
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October 21, 2013 9:20am
dime

Tinny – same place Canterbury was when we flogged them last month?
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October 21, 2013 9:25am
dime

lol the Onion cracks me:

WASHINGTON—After Republican lawmakers reached a last-minute agreement Wednesday night to end the government shutdown and raise the debt ceiling, sources confirmed today that the GOP yielded its fight against Obamacare mere moments before the president was about to cave and repeal the entire law. “Whew! That was a close one,” President Obama told reporters, admitting that literally seconds before he would have put pen to paper on an executive order to fully defund and eliminate the Affordable Care Act, he received a phone call informing him that House Speaker John Boehner had agreed to back down from the shutdown stalemate. “The GOP really had our backs up against the wall on this one, and to be honest I was definitely about to blink first. I sure as hell didn’t want to be the president who oversaw the first default in our country’s history, and I thought the Republicans knew that. If they would have just held out a little longer—I’m talking two, three seconds—they would have gotten everything they wanted. They seriously held all the cards here.” The president said that if House Republicans threaten to use the same tactics with the debt ceiling this February, he’ll probably just repeal Obamacare immediately.
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October 21, 2013 9:29am
Camryn

Dime – LOL about US sales tax process. Their reasoning is, as you say, so that voters remain very aware of the tax and vote accordingly. The idea of “vote accordingly” is “keep sales tax low” but I think you’re correct… in New Zealand it would equate to “keep sales tax high and excempt me from it”.
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October 21, 2013 9:35am
MT_Tinman

2-1 to the Good Guys this year Dime, the 2 both massive thrashings.

Will they only be fantastic All Blacks when the tests are in Auckland?
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October 21, 2013 9:40am
Pete George

It’s not just tax on top of the quoted price you have to be wary of in the US, if a tip needs to be added as well that usually doubles the addon.
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October 21, 2013 9:41am
edd

Private property all comes down to relative income…

In a small isolated country of 100 people. If one person has 20% of the wealth they can afford 20% of the land. If the next 9 people have 5% of the wealth each then the top 10 can afford 65% of all the land. Then if the next 10 people can afford 2% of the land each and the next 10 can all afford 1% of the land each that leaves 5% of the nations land to be divided up between 70% of the population…

This is an approximation of the natural distribution of wealth in a civilized country. But seeing as a government needs 50% of the population to govern, the natural distribution of wealth will never deliver a government in favor of the natural distribution of wealth… So it is for this reason that Labor will win the next election…

Either the wealthy employer class raise wages on their own, and thus reduce their own property holdings (which will never happen) or Labor will do this by force… Democracy really is a violent Left wing institution…
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October 21, 2013 9:50am
Manolo

The Kenyan surrounded by incompetents:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303680404579143343379804228
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October 21, 2013 10:13am
EAD

Outstanding video on our debt based money system just released!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFDe5kUUyT0

“Most people can feel deep down that something isn’t quite right with the world economy, but few know what it is. Gone are the days where a family can survive on just one paycheck…every day it seems that things are more and more out of control, yet only one in a million understand why

“Learning this will change your life, because it will change the choices that you make. If enough people learn it, it will change the world…because it will change the system”

Share with as many people as possible.
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October 21, 2013 10:19am
Redbaiter

Not surprising to see Kommiebloggers voting in favour of Obama in the sidebar poll.

The so called NZ right are just a slightly less left collection of knuckle dragging navel gazing socialist mungbeans.

Interchangeable with your average Cuban.
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October 21, 2013 10:29am
dime

“2-1 to the Good Guys this year Dime, the 2 both massive thrashings.”

Huh?

Blues SMASHED the crusaders the first time they played. Beat the skinny white boys up.
Crusaders won the 2nd.

Auckland beat cantabs
Cantabs beat auckland.

Thats 2-2.

We have unleashed LUATUA on the all blacks this year. The dude is a star. PIUTAU is also the goods. Francis Saili will come good too imo.

Cantabs have umm unleashed a few skinny white guys? Taylor (will play a few tests but way down the pecking order), Crotty (will be found out), Luke Whitelock? thats the bald flanker right? This will be his only tour ever.

Oh yeah, the Blues tight head also kicking ass. His first real season as an AB.

This is just the start tinny, the production line is about to get cranking!
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October 21, 2013 10:48am
Longknives

“Wasn’t Darling a captain?”

Kevin Darling was a Captain. From memory he was from Croydon and had a girlfriend called Doris….
Care for a liquorice allsort?
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October 21, 2013 10:52am
Fletch

Outstanding video on our debt based money system just released!

I posted this a couple days ago, and got told straight away it was conspiracy stuff.
I actually think it is quite interesting, although I don’t pretend to understand it all.
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October 21, 2013 11:01am
Fletch

New study finds that, yes, Tea Party conservatives are more scientifically intelligent than others.

So much for Democrats calling Tea Partiers unintelligent or idiots. A new study by Yale Law School professor Dan Kahan found that members of the Tea Party are more knowledgable about science than other Republicans.

In fact, the findings were so surprising that Kahan, who conducted the study and posted it on his blog earlier this week, was embarrassed by them.

“I’ve got to confess, though, I found this result surprising. As I pushed the button to run the analysis on my computer, I fully expected I’d be shown a modest negative correlation between identifying with the Tea Party and science comprehension,” Kahan wrote. “But then again, I don’t know a single person who identifies with the tea party. All my impressions come from watching cable tv — & I don’t watch Fox News very often — and reading the ‘paper’ (New York Times daily, plus a variety of politics-focused Internet sites like Huffington Post and POLITICO). I’m a little embarrassed, but mainly, I’m just glad that I no longer hold this particular mistaken view.”

http://redalertpolitics.com/2013/10/18/new-study-finds-that-tea-party-members-more-likely-to-understand-science-than-other-conservatives/
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October 21, 2013 11:03am
Azeraph

Fletch (4,928) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 11:03 am

You mean they studied hard just in case they are called up in front of others and get caught out cherry picking? Are they Austrians? or keynessians?
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October 21, 2013 11:08am
Longknives

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11143308

That’ll buff out…
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October 21, 2013 11:09am
Nookin

Dime
George is the bald one — the captain. Luke is the youngest — curly hair
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October 21, 2013 11:14am
All_on_Red

Azer
The Austrian school is the way to go. Keynes is wrong.
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October 21, 2013 11:18am
dime

Nookin – ah ok.

Either way, they are about as cantabrian as reid 🙂
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October 21, 2013 11:21am
Ashley Schaeffer

“The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It’s a sign that the US Government can’t pay its own bills. It’s a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that “the buck stops here.” Instead, Washington today is shifting the burden of bad choices onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.”

– Barack Obama, 2006.

Wake up mungbeans.
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October 21, 2013 11:26am
edd

@ EAD

All monetary systems fail over time due to the various ways that they can all be exploited… Hard currency is finite, and therefore hoardable (- see urban dictionary for def.), which means poor people can’t get money when they need it, allowing people with money to exert power over those without in that way, (causing poor people to resort to forced barter (of labor in return for housing, food etc) in order to survive)… So for a short while a hard currency system would solve the problems of the fiat currency system we have today, but after 10 or 20 years it too would be completely toxic to freedom, just in a different way…

The solution is to raise tax on the bankers who are making the sweet profits from the system. Then redistribute some wealth back to the people doing the physical work (the people who give the currency its value in the first place)…

Allow them to profit off the system, but don’t allow them to become richer than the world governments.
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October 21, 2013 11:30am
EAD

@ Fletch

The video explains well that the current monetary system is essentially a con game based on people’s illusion that money is wealth (rather than a claim on wealth) and that those who are granted the privilege to create “currency” (banks) are thus responsible for the creation of wealth.

Money, particularly money created from nothing without any direct contribution to the creation of anything of corresponding value, is phantom wealth—it has no substance or intrinsic utility. We used to use gold and silver as money until the banksters took over and now we work for a “money” created with no effort (ctrl + p), no underlying value and forced to use it by legal tender laws forbidding us to use any thing else as a means of exchange.

When money is created in the current loan process, money with which to pay the interest is not created. Interest owed is only set up as a debt to the bank. No money is created to pay it with. As a result of this bookkeeping system the principle put into circulation is insufficient to repay the principal and interest owed. Thus we are forced into a cycle of needing ever bigger debts and ever lower central bank manipulated interest rates as the debt has to keep growing or else it will all collapse in a deflationary spiral.

Now here is the real kicker which most people cannot and will not believe until they truly grasp the process – if we were to all pay off our debts, there would be no money in the economy!!
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October 21, 2013 11:35am
RightNow

edd:

The solution is to raise tax on the bankers who are making the sweet profits from the system. Then redistribute some wealth back to the people doing the physical work (the people who give the currency its value in the first place)…

Allow them to profit off the system, but don’t allow them to become richer than the world governments.

Why don’t you just propose regular revolutions where the top 1% wealthiest get the guillotine and their wealth is confiscated.
That’ll learn them not be successful.
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October 21, 2013 11:35am
Azeraph

Longknives (3,140) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 11:09 am

That picture brings back memories except i was able to push the pole off and get the fak out of there! Not bad for my first car.
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October 21, 2013 11:39am
edd

@ Fletch

“A new study by Yale Law School professor Dan Kahan found that members of the Tea Party are more knowledgable about science than other Republicans.”

Being more knowledgeable about science than the average republican? I’m not sure that qualifies as a complement…

That’s like saying people working at McDonals are, on balance, happier than the average person suffering psychotic clinical depression…
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October 21, 2013 11:39am
Longknives

I find it remarkable how little media attention Scott Dixon is getting here in New Zealand after his fantastic win over the weekend- IndyCar is big news in the States..
Where is the fawning adulation that the losing Team NZ got?
Does Dixon get a ticker-tape parade and gushing politicians??
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October 21, 2013 11:39am
Azeraph

RightNow (5,875) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 11:35 am

Sulla solved that problem when the republic was broke.
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October 21, 2013 11:44am
RightNow

““A new study by Yale Law School professor Dan Kahan found that members of the Tea Party are more knowledgable about science than other Republicans.””

Actually the results were that members of the Tea Party are more knowledgable about science than non Tea Party Members, a group that includes Democrats not just Republicans.
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October 21, 2013 11:44am
edd

@ Right now.

“Why don’t you just propose regular revolutions where the top 1% wealthiest get the guillotine and their wealth is confiscated.
That’ll learn them not be successful.”

Don’t be afraid… It’s not that bad living of honest means…

And as for chopping heads off… Gaddaffy was the richest man alive before the Libyan revolution, with an estimated personal wealth of over $250 billion US dollars… All recorded as being the property of Libya of course… So I’m not too worried about the odd head getting chopped every now and again, if its for a good cause…
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October 21, 2013 11:46am
Fletch

Speaking of money, tonight in the U.S there is going to be a huge episode of 60 Minutes taking aim at politicians and extortion.

Sources say top CBS executives thought the report was so explosive that they made it the show’s lead story and delayed airing it for another week in order to capture tonight’s much larger NFL-viewing audience. The report features selected revelations from Schweizer’s forthcoming book, Extortion: How Politicians Extract Your Money, Buy Votes, and Line Their Own Pockets.

“I’m under a publisher embargo right now and can’t say much,” Schweizer told Breitbart News. “But suffice it to say, President Obama and some members of Washington’s Permanent Political Class are not going to like what we uncovered and the kinds of personal enrichment and self-dealing exposed in Extortion.”

To prevent early leaks of the book’s contents, publisher Houghton Mifflin made bookstore managers sign legal affidavits saying they would not shelve Extortion until the book’s official Tuesday, October 22 launch date. The book, which contains a staggering 35 pages of source materials totaling over 600 endnotes, is chock-full of revelations and never-before-released documents on top Washington figures, says Houghton Mifflin.

According to the publisher’s description, the new book “reveals vast new areas of corruption in our political system” and contains “eye-opening revelations on every page,” while opening “a whole new battlefield in the great war to fix what’s wrong with our government.”

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2013/10/20/Developing-Congress-on-Red-Alert-for-60-Minutes-Expose
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October 21, 2013 11:48am
EAD

@ edd – utter tosh!

The British had a hard currency system for nearly 300 years at a time that coincided with the industrial revolution and saw the biggest rise in the middle class from poverty the world has ever seen (yes this did coincide with probably the most laissez fair period of free market capitalism in the history of mankind but that is the old chicken and egg scenario)

The British currency was literally a pound of sterling silver. Silver was the currency until they switched to a another hard asset currency system “a gold standard” in the late 19th century when gold became the currency.

It wasn’t until Parliament started to create their social welfare state in earnest that the hard currency link was broken as it would have been impossible to pay for it without being able to inflate the money supply. To contradict your point, the social welfare system has seen the created the biggest underclass in Human history and the destruction of all the virtues that made the West so successful – namely hard work, thrift, a sense of responsibility and human co-operation.

If we restored hard currency, we would limit the power of government and restore real economic growth based on savings rather than this phoney debt based growth model that mathematically must end in collapse as the debt burden overwhelms our ability to sustain it.
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October 21, 2013 11:48am
edhunter

That was a hell of a race yesterday, became a real battle of attrition I think only 8 cars from 26 finished the race & Scott’s overheating problem had me on the edge of my seat. The decision to take a 10 place hit on the starting grid by starting with a new engine paid off big time.
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October 21, 2013 11:56am
Fletch

300,000 lose their healthcare coverage in Florida alone because of ObamaCare.

But the cancellation notices, which began arriving in August, have shocked many consumers in light of President Barack Obama’s promise that people could keep their plans if they liked them.

“I don’t feel like I need to change, but I have to,” said Jeff Learned, a television editor in Los Angeles, who must find a new plan for his teenage daughter, who has a health condition that has required multiple surgeries.

An estimated 14 million people purchase their own coverage because they don’t get it through their jobs. Calls to insurers in several states showed that many have sent notices.

Florida Blue, for example, is terminating about 300,000 policies, about 80 percent of its individual policies in the state. Kaiser Permanente in California has sent notices to 160,000 people – about half of its individual business in the state. Insurer Highmark in Pittsburgh is dropping about 20 percent of its individual market customers, while Independence Blue Cross, the major insurer in Philadelphia, is dropping about 45 percent.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/thousands-get-health-insurance-cancellation-notices-8C11417913
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October 21, 2013 12:03pm
Manolo

The delicate Chrissy Carter must be paid extremely well, otherwise who would risk his/her life in such a shit-hole.
Afghanistan must be the closer thing to hell, followed by Somalia and Sudan. All home to loving Muslims.

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8742066/ex-nz-mp-escapes-death-as-taliban-bomb-explodes
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October 21, 2013 12:06pm
Fletch

Looks like Muslims will be exempt from ObamaCare in U.S and won’t have to pay a fine.
Nice for some.

Isn’t this nice. If you are of the Muslim religion, you don’t have to give all the new Obamacare healthcare reform regulations and penalties another thought. Because the concept of being compelled to participate in such a healthcare program offends Islamic sensibilities, Muslims are specifically exempt.

As a matter of fact if you are Amish, American Indian or a Christian Scientist you do not need to participate or pay the taxes associated with healthcare reform. That means not having to be forced to buy healthcare insurance, not paying the taxes or the penalties if you don’t get it. Nice!

Here is what the regulations say:

EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.

—In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:

In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individual’s status as a
member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian,
or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.”

Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274

There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is “haraam”, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. More…

This means that if you are Christian and abortion is against your religion tough luck.

If you are Jewish tough luck as well.

http://www.examiner.com/article/if-you-are-muslim-you-can-opt-out-of-the-obamacare-health-care-reform-laws-with-no-penalties
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October 21, 2013 12:08pm
edd

@ EAD

“The British had a hard currency system for nearly 300 years at a time that coincided with the industrial revolution and saw the biggest rise in the middle class from poverty the world has ever seen (yes this did coincide with probably the most laissez fair period of free market capitalism in the history of mankind but that is the old chicken and egg scenario)”

Your talking about one country that ruled, and fed off of many other countries at the time… Most of the dirt poor people in that ’empire economy’ lived overseas…
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October 21, 2013 12:09pm
Azeraph

Didn’t cbs run a special on that Pelosi woman and her husband? They were reaping off wallstreet because she was on some policy committee and when a reporter posed her a q about it at a conference she flatly denied everything, in fact everyone they spoke to didn’t know anything. I must look for it again, it’s funny as she was berating the Republicans about the criminal behavior of their party.
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October 21, 2013 12:10pm
Longknives

“The delicate Chrissy Carter must be paid extremely well, otherwise who would risk his/her life in such a shit-hole.”

Manolo- I think it’s quite likely Mr Carter has immense experience in “shit-holes”…
He is also quite likely used to having things explode in his face etc etc

Fnarr Fnarr…
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October 21, 2013 12:32pm
dime

Surely Chris Carter was targeted because he was gay.

Apparently it was 25 metres away. if he had left FIVE minutes earlier it would have been him!? not a great rate of distance covered in 5 mins.
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October 21, 2013 12:49pm
Sidey

Dime, it’s hard to move quickly when weighed down by pockets stuffed with tax-free USD.
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October 21, 2013 12:59pm
dime

Maybe there was also gunfire? Like those guys that shot at Hillary Clinton 😛
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October 21, 2013 1:03pm
Fletch

A real prime minister. Tony Abbot helps volunteer to fight bush fires.

Prime Minister Tony Abbott joins Davidson Rural Fire Brigade to fight NSW bushfires

PRIME Minister Tony Abbott has taken a break from running the country to help fire crews fight the bushfires gripping NSW as a volunteer firefighter.

Mr Abbott worked a night shift helping back burn near Bilpinwith his Davidson Rural Fire Brigade from Sydney’s Warringah Pittwater Rural Fire District.

NSW Rural Fires Service volunteer Tova Gallagher said she couldn’t believe her eyes when she saw Prime Minister Tony Abbott decked out in his NSWRFS uniform.

Ms Gallagher, who herself is in the area fighting fires, said she didn’t recognise the PM at first.

“I said ‘that guy could be Tony Abbott’s brother’,” she said. “Oh wait, hang on. It’s him.”

Mr Abbott has been a member of the NSW Rural Fire Service for 13 years and is trained as a specialist breathing apparatus operator, chainsaw operator and tanker driver.

But his new job running the country has triggered safety concerns putting him and his Australian Federal Police security detail into dangerous situations.

Pictures circulating on social media show Mr Abbott riding in the fire truck and giving the thumbs up to onlookers before he posed for photos with fellow volunteers.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/prime-minister-tony-abbott-joins-davidson-rural-fire-brigade-to-fight-nsw-bushfires/story-fni0xqrb-1226743334542
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October 21, 2013 1:06pm
RRM

Anyone here ever been targetted by a rag head bomber?

Thought not 😛
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October 21, 2013 1:08pm
Sidey

They were aiming at David Shearer who was out saving millions from a fruit-deficient diet.
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October 21, 2013 1:08pm
dime

“Teina Pora declined parole again”

I dont really know about the case.. BUT after 20 years in jail, they pinged him for getting laid? WTF?
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October 21, 2013 1:09pm
Judith

Longknives (3,142) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 11:09 am
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11143308

That’ll buff out…

Will take a damn efficient buffer.

That’s gotta hurt because if the driver was ‘over the limit’, insurance is unlikely to be paid. Still, the recycled parts might be worth something?
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October 21, 2013 1:12pm
Judith

@ dime

Yes, he was declined because last time on home leave he visited a prostitute – which isn’t illegal, however his home leave application did not give him permission to do that.

I wonder if he had applied for permission, whether it would have been given?
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October 21, 2013 1:14pm
dime

Judith – you thin he would get home delivery 😛

I take it the Herald want him out of jail? Or does he still look like a teenager?
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October 21, 2013 1:18pm
Nookin

The fact that he lied and was evasive came in to it, also.
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October 21, 2013 1:19pm
dime

Nookin – can ya blame him? Not everyone is an open as Dime 😀
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October 21, 2013 1:22pm
Judith

dime (7,507) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 1:18 pm
Judith – you thin he would get home delivery 😛

I take it the Herald want him out of jail? Or does he still look like a teenager?

I guess no one has got an up-to-date picture of him. He’ll be able to do a photo shoot when he gets out and charge plenty.

Not sure about the home delivery, as his crime had a sexual element he is probably banned for sexual activity! Now that could take some monitoring!

It’s a tough one, no wonder they took a week to decide what to do. If he has his conviction quashed by the Privy Council, this will be another ‘thing’ he can claim compensation for. Clearly ‘the act’ is important to him, to risk his parole!

It’s such a messed up case, but I don’t think Pora is all too clever, home deliveries, pizza and shag would have been his best option alright!
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October 21, 2013 1:23pm
Judith

@ Nookin

I think that would have been the primary concern. Dishonesty leads to offending, or at least the risk of offending again.
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October 21, 2013 1:25pm
Fletch

George Orwell –

Unpopular ideas can be silenced, and inconvenient facts kept dark, without the need for any official ban. Anyone who has lived long in a foreign country will know of instances of sensational items of news — things which on their own merits would get the big headlines-being kept right out of the British press, not because the Government intervened but because of a general tacit agreement that ‘it wouldn’t do’ to mention that particular fact.

So far as the daily newspapers go, this is easy to understand. The British press is extremely centralised, and most of it is owned by wealthy men who have every motive to be dishonest on certain important topics. But the same kind of veiled censorship also operates in books and periodicals, as well as in plays, films and radio. At any given moment there is an orthodoxy, a body of ideas which it is assumed that all right-thinking people will accept without question.

It is not exactly forbidden to say this, that or the other, but it is ‘not done’ to say it, just as in mid-Victorian times it was ‘not done’ to mention trousers in the presence of a lady. Anyone who challenges the prevailing orthodoxy finds himself silenced with surprising effectiveness. A genuinely unfashionable opinion is almost never given a fair hearing, either in the popular press or in the highbrow periodicals.
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October 21, 2013 1:28pm
Paulus

Pora was declined because he made contact with known criminal – against his parole.
Nothing to do with a good, I hope, shag.
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October 21, 2013 1:30pm
dime

Judith – i clicked on stuff. those losers have a pic of him how he actually used to look – gang bandanna etc.
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October 21, 2013 1:34pm
Colville

Can someone tell me what the deal is with Ted Cruz?
Born in Canada so cant be pressi can he?
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October 21, 2013 1:36pm
Longknives

Colville- You are allowed to ‘change your mind’ about where you were born these days….(or maybe only if you are a Democrat?)
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October 21, 2013 1:39pm
dime

“So what is a “natural born” citizen? The Constitution doesn’t specifically say.

In 2008, we reviewed research and polled several legal experts. The consensus was that someone is a “natural born” citizen if they have citizenship at birth and don’t have to go through a naturalization process to become a citizen.

If that’s the definition, then Cruz is a natural born citizen by being born to an American mother and having her citizenship at birth. (This same logic would apply to Obama, even if he were born in another country, which he wasn’t.)”
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October 21, 2013 1:46pm
Longknives

“This same logic would apply to Obama, even if he were born in another country, which he wasn’t.”

Dime- I am certainly no conspiracy nut but I do find it a little odd that prior to running for President he claimed to have been born in Africa…
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October 21, 2013 1:55pm
Manolo

Openly rooting for the bitch: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/10/20/martha-raddatz-hillary-clinton-shes-got-run#ixzz2iHOSW2pb
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October 21, 2013 1:57pm
UglyTruth

Now here is the real kicker which most people cannot and will not believe until they truly grasp the process – if we were to all pay off our debts, there would be no money in the economy!!

That would be true if the only form of money was cheques, EFTPOS, and standard cash. But in fact other forms of money do exist, for example gift vouchers.

However the original point that NZ’s financial system is unsustainable remains true.
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October 21, 2013 1:57pm
liarbors a joke

more unnecessary violence from yet another violent maori..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9308190/Knife-went-through-brain-court-hears
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October 21, 2013 2:01pm
Longknives

liarbors a joke- More ‘Whanau Ora’ taxpayer cash would have prevented that murder…
and the pistol whipping of those tourists the other day etc etc
I hope you are feeling a guilty as I am?
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October 21, 2013 2:05pm
liarbors a joke

yeah , guilty that I’m not embarking on a Charles Bronson type vigilante crusade…
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October 21, 2013 2:12pm
Longknives

LAJ- Bronson, Coburn and McQueen would clean them up…
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October 21, 2013 2:19pm
Manolo

Meanwhile, this hopeless crook (1,000% innocent), returns to her whanau:
http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8742104/kiwi-cocaine-smuggler-back-home
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October 21, 2013 2:19pm
dime

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/520835786-mixed-response-to-peters–kiwisaver-proposal

How far left are these idiots? Leighton must go nuts working there.

Even the Greens are saying they dont want to Nationalise Kiwisaver.

Fuck I hope winnie gets 4.9% next election. (rules are still 5% min i take it.. if not.. 3.9%)
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October 21, 2013 2:52pm
Manolo

A crank who belongs to the ranks of the NZ Greens (not a Luddite though).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2467514/Ray-Kurzweil-shares-plans-immortality.html
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October 21, 2013 4:25pm
Longknives

Manolo- I am fairly sure Monty Burns did something similar in The Simpsons….
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October 21, 2013 4:28pm
liarbors a joke

or a Clint Eastwood..” do you feel lucky punk…well do ya ? “…Bang !
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October 21, 2013 6:19pm
liarbors a joke

FFS..what a turkey

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9306405/Embattled-mayor-makes-first-public-outing
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October 21, 2013 6:30pm
nasska

What has 100 legs and three teeth?

The morning methadone queue outside the local chemist.
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October 21, 2013 8:00pm
chiz

Or – Reddy and his dolls?
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October 21, 2013 8:13pm
nasska

Speaking of dolls……where’s the Great Blogger? 🙂
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October 21, 2013 8:16pm
MT_Tinman

dime (7,512) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 10:48 am

We have unleashed LUATUA on the all blacks this year. The dude is a star. PIUTAU is also the goods. Francis Saili will come good too imo.

Cantabs have umm unleashed a few skinny white guys? Taylor (will play a few tests but way down the pecking order), Crotty (will be found out), Luke Whitelock? thats the bald flanker right? This will be his only tour ever.

Oh yeah, the Blues tight head also kicking ass. His first real season as an AB.

This is just the start tinny, the production line is about to get cranking!

Sorry Dime, I missed this this morning as I had to go out after I commented – sorry, not because I missed it but because I found it.

As a South Islander I don’t understand the inherent racism so virulent in Jafaville. Like most South Islanders, indeed I suspect most non-Jafa New Zealanders, I don’t note race when I see people.

Whether the sportsmen representing my part of the world, or the teams I support world wide (incl. Canterbury (in all it’s forms), the St Louis Cardinals, Chelsea FC etc. etc. ) have white, brown, yellow, red or purple -with polka-dot skins is not just of no import but quite simply not noted. What counts is their sporting ability.

Obviously for you this is reversed.

You have my sympathy if not my empathy.
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October 21, 2013 8:37pm
stigie

Speaking of dolls……where’s the Great Blogger? 🙂

Im here Nasska.
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October 21, 2013 8:48pm
stigie

Probably rinsing his dolls out !!
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October 21, 2013 8:51pm
nasska

He might have got a flatty stigie. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jrspo30biy5og7i/Doll%208.jpg
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October 21, 2013 9:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

All on at that other place where the great blogger/troll has been banned, Nasska
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October 21, 2013 9:10pm
Left Right and Centre

Longknives – He gets nothing. He did a ‘This Is Your Life’ tribute if memory serves. And that was a while back. He’s 33 now I think I heard – so to be ‘honoured’ a few years back at such a ‘young age’ is itself some kind of achievement.

The other way of looking at that is that you want to do it before the race driver is snuffed out by a crash.

Scotty is on some level ‘not currently a kiwi’. And that counts against him. He lives and works in the US, not his fault, no-one elses either though. The americas Cup crew are more ‘connected to NZ’. You know all of this of course but that’s just the way it is.

America’s Cup is a franchise with a history for NZ stretching back to 1987 with KZ7. It’s bigger than one person. Scotty is one fella. It’s an American thing he’s a part of. It’s an American team he’s a part of. If it was a NZ team – that might be different. Team NZ Indycar challengers. America’s Cup at least has some semblance of nation vs nation. Indycar is just Indycar – some American open-wheel racing.

Hard to compare which one ‘deserved’ more attention or coverage. The media attention for Team NZ was dependent in part on their results and didn’t it take a dive when it became apparent they would not win?

The media coverage in some way is trying to reflect demand. It doesn’t measure the merit of the achievement. Which is all subjective anyway.

Bottomline America’s Cup is more something that ‘NZ is involved in’. Indycar is something that Scott Dixon, a ‘New Zealander is involved with’. And to do with rights too – MSM can’t show Scott Dixon’s races live to ‘involve the viewers’. They could with America’s Cup coverage.

Something similar happened with rugby. It went to pay TV. Don’t have pay TV? Then you just stop giving a crap about it so much.
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October 21, 2013 11:57pm
eszett

Fletch (4,933) Says:
October 21st, 2013 at 12:08 pm
Looks like Muslims will be exempt from ObamaCare in U.S and won’t have to pay a fine.

No it doesn’t.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/od/government/a/muslims_exempt_health_insurance_mandate.htm

Looks more like that you are unthinkingly willing to believe any nonsense no matter how abstruse and silly as long as it’s anti Obama

Maybe you should learn to THINK before you quote George Orwell. Because you are the prime example of what he is talking about.
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