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October 17, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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cha

A wee tune.

http://youtu.be/ljPFZrRD3J8
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October 17, 2013 7:12pm
publicwatchdog

FYI Kiwibloggers – here is EXACTLY what I said, (some or all of it was apparently read out by Willie Jackson, today on Radio Live) :

17 October 2013

Statement by 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate Penny Bright on the ‘Len Brown affair – turning a bad thing into a good thing’ .

I believe that consenting adults make their own rules.

However, if a relationship is supposed to be based upon monogamy and mutual exclusivity, and that trust is breached, there will be repercussions, and likely unintended consequences for both the parties directly involved and innocent third parties.

Those who stand, and particularly if elected for public office, are effectively in a public ‘goldfish bowl’, and tend to find out the hard way that private indiscretions can become a huge public embarrassment, for both themselves and their families.

However, there is a difference, in my opinion, between morality and legality.

Should Len Brown stand down as Auckland Mayor because of his two year extra-marital affair, which has come as quite a shock to a large number of people (including myself)?

As it currently stands legally, in my opinion, provided there has been no misuse of public monies to finance in any way, this unfortunate affair, then my answer is no.

‘Conduct’ of Auckland Council elected representatives is covered by the Auckland Council ‘Code of Conduct’, which is, in my considered opinion, a gutless creature, with no statutory teeth for proven ‘misconduct’.

http://www.aucklandcouncil.govt.nz/SiteCollectionDocuments/aboutcouncil/governingbody/codeofconductelectedmembers.pdf

“5. Key Principles

5.1. Introduction

This Code of Conduct is based on a number of key principles.

It defines standards of conduct that meet these principles and statutory provisions applicable to local government activities.
The principles underpin and guide these standards and may be used as an aid in interpreting the substantive provisions of the Code.

5.2. Honesty and Integrity

Members have a duty to act honestly and with integrity at all times.

5.3. Public Interest

Members have a duty to make decisions in the public interest.

They must not act in order to gain financial or other benefits for themselves, their families, friends or business interests. This means making decisions because they benefit the public, not because they
benefit the decision maker.

5.4. Declare private interests

Members must declare any private interests or personal benefits relating to their public duties and take steps to resolve any conflicts of interest in such a way that protects the public interest. This means fully disclosing actual or potential conflicts of interest; avoiding any financial or other obligation to any individual or organisation that might reasonably be thought to influence them in the performance of their duties.

5.5. Impartiality

Members should make decisions on merit and in accordance with their statutory obligations when carrying out public business. This includes the making of appointments, awarding of contracts or recommending individuals for rewards or benefits. This means fairness to all; impartial assessment; merit selection in appointments and in purchase and sale of council’s resources; considering only relevant matters.

5.6. Accountability

Members are accountable to the public for their decisions and actions and should consider issues on their merits, taking into account the views of others. This means co-operating fully and honestly with the scrutiny appropriate to their particular office.

5.7. Openness

Members should be as open as possible about their actions and those of the Council and should be prepared to justify their actions. This includes approaching decision-making with an open mind and a willingness to listen to differing points of view. This means giving reasons for decisions; communicating clearly; not being close minded and taking personal ownership of comments made publicly.

5.8. Respect

Members should treat others, including council officers, with respect at all times. This means not using derogatory terms towards others, or about others, including in public facing new media; not misrepresenting the statements or actions of others (whether they be other individual members, the Governing Body, Local Boards, committees or officers); observing the rights of other people; treating people with courtesy, and recognising the different roles others play in local government decision-making.

5.9. Duty to Uphold the Law

Members should uphold the law and, on all occasions, act in accordance with the trust the public places in them.

5.10. Stewardship

Members should ensure that the Council uses resources prudently and for lawful purposes, and that the Council maintains sufficient resources to meet its statutory obligations.

5.11. Leadership

Members should promote and support these principles by example.”
____________________________________________________________________________________________

A breach of this Code of Conduct is NOT an offence under the Local Government Act 2002.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________

“8.8. Responses to Breaches of the Code

To avoid doubt, a breach of the Code of Conduct does not constitute an offence under the Local Government Act 2002. The exact nature of the action the governing body/local board may take depends on the nature of the breach and whether there are statutory provisions
dealing with the breach. ”
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

This ‘Code of Conduct’ may be effectively useless, but at least local government elected representatives have one, unlike elected representatives at NZ central government level, who do not.

Which is arguably rather incredible in this country which is ‘perceived’ to be ‘the least corrupt country in the world’ (along with Denmark and Finland, according to the 2012 Transparency International ‘Corruption Perception Index’.

http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results

In my considered opinion, as a proven ‘anti-corruption Public Watchdog’, I believe it is time for ENFORCEABLE ‘Codes of Conduct’ for both local and central NZ elected representatives.

During the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign, I called for enforceable ‘Codes of Conduct’ in my ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and ‘corporate welfare’:

http://www.pennybright4mayor.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/ANTI-CORRUPTION-WHITE-COLLAR-CRIME-CORPORATE-WELFARE-ACTION-PLAN-Ak-Mayoral-campaign-19-July-2013-2.pdf

” 4. Legislate for an enforceable ‘Code of Conduct’ for NZ Members of Parliament (who make the rules for everyone else).

5. Make it an offence under the Local Government Act 2002 for NZ Local Government elected representatives to breach their ‘Code of Conduct’.”

We need go no further than Australia to see examples of enforceable ‘Codes of Conduct’ for those elected to public office.

For example – Australia – New South Wales:

MODEL CODE OF CONDUCT for Local Councils in NSW

http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/documents/Information/Model%20Code%20of%20Conduct.pdf

Code of Conduct for Members and ICAC (NSW Parliament)

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/publications.nsf/key/LABP11
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Queensland – Local Government

http://www.cmc.qld.gov.au/research-and-publications/browse-by-topic-1/local-government

It is now time to learn the lessons, and get such legislation in place, to help remind elected representatives that private indiscretions may have both political and legal consequences.

In New Zealand – we need enforceable ‘Codes of Conduct’ at both local and central government level.

The time has come – this is long overdue.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption /anti-privatisation Public Watchdog’

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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October 17, 2013 7:14pm
Griff

rwnj
obuma is the anti Christ in a jigaboo suit

Eh…….Don
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October 17, 2013 7:23pm
BlairM

Judith, I don’t need any sympathy from you. David Bain murdered his family, and that is not dependent on the personal integrity or otherwise of Mr Parker. Your QC is very clever, but facts is facts, that’s what the judge decides on. And there is plenty to go in this case yet regarding Mr Karam. Truth is still a defence in defamation cases last time I checked.

If Mr Karam does not want to be harassed, he should not continue to pursue taxpayer dollars in the name of defending a serial murderer. Nothing to do with Kent, who did not even make half the comments Karam is suing him for. And since they were on my page, why doesn’t Karam sue me? I’ve never heard boo from him, and actually I’ve made a concerted effort to avoid making it all about him, since my sole interest is in justice for the murdered Bain family.
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October 17, 2013 7:30pm
Redbaiter

“You are demonstrating your bigotry – no surprises there.”

Damn right.

Best you just ignore the hate mongering inarticulate old coward Don.

He’s not worth pissing on.
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October 17, 2013 7:48pm
nasska

Today’s Roy Morgan Poll:

National Party (41.5%, down 0.5%).
Maori Party 1.5% (up 0.5%)
ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
United Future 0% (down 0.5%).

Labour Party is 37% (unchanged)
Greens has risen to 12.5% (up 1%)
New Zealand First 5% (up 0.5%)
Mana Party 0.5% (unchanged)
Conservative Party of NZ 0.5% (down 1.5%)
Others 1% (up 0.5%)

Our resident Coproconservatist is going to have his pink knickers & vibrators all twisted over this revelation. After all, not even three weeks ago he waffled thus:

…”I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.”…

Stupid old wanker! 🙂
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October 17, 2013 7:49pm
Pauleastbay

…”I am spearheading a force that will grow from hundreds to thousands to millions and you will be gone.”…

from a camp deep inside te Urewera a force ………………………………….
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October 17, 2013 7:55pm
nasska

Gandalf: “A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to.”

Frodo: “You’re not fooling anyone, that was premature ejaculation and you know it.”
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October 17, 2013 8:00pm
nasska

…..from a camp deep inside te Urewera a force ……

….of nutters waving the Confederate Flag planned a suicide mission…………………….
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October 17, 2013 8:04pm
Redbaiter

Oh gawd, the giggling hill billy loser has turned up.
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October 17, 2013 8:06pm
mikenmild

nasska
What’s with the confederate flag? Is that one of Reddy’s things?
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October 17, 2013 8:07pm
nasska

He used to use it as an avatar mike. 🙂
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October 17, 2013 8:08pm
Redbaiter

Here we go, the usual trolls kick off tonight’s session of Kommieblog for kiddies.
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October 17, 2013 8:09pm
Yvette

FYI Kiwibloggers – here is EXACTLY what I said, (some or all of it was apparently read out by Willie Jackson, today on Radio Live)

Alas, Penny, Jackson must have come back with more after his first mention of your email
And still – apparently as Anti-Corruption Public Watchdog you missed :
 – Conflict of interest in appointments to boards
 – Conflict of interest in giving references

Continue to have a nice evening 🙂
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October 17, 2013 8:09pm
nasska

Well, it’s all up to you Baity…..you think of a topic you’d like to be debated & we’ll kick it & see if it’s a goer. 🙂
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October 17, 2013 8:14pm
Pauleastbay

Red

The last time you were in the United States , how was Everyman feeling about the politiical situation?
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October 17, 2013 8:17pm
Nostalgia-NZ

BlairM a gutless wonder using DPF’s blog for defamation.
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October 17, 2013 8:17pm
mikenmild

PEB
In case Reddy doesn’t want to debate, may I share my views on the US situation? Obama has come out of the shutdown/debt ceiling fiasco with a much strengthened hand.
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October 17, 2013 8:20pm
SPC

Has anyone wondered whether this is the real biting satire of Capitol Hill in their media.

Where vampires represent those who bleed people of taxes for their spending programmes
And the walking dead represent those who really want to end rational functioning government rather than just lower taxes like the more moderate right wingers.
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October 17, 2013 8:21pm
Pauleastbay

Milky

I only ask Red that because I don’t think he’s ever been. Its like his fantasy chick.
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October 17, 2013 8:25pm
Judith

BlairM (2,152) Says:
October 17th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

If Mr Karam does not want to be harassed, he should not continue to pursue…

This actually sounds suspiciously like a threat and/or blackmail. I shall be sure the right people see it. You are a fool.
The time where hatesites were tolerated is long past. I have a copy of your facebook page before much of it was deleted, you should be ashamed of yourself. That is not campaigning, most of it has nothing to do with Robin Bain’s guilt or innocence, it is sheer harassment, filth and lies. The stalking of innocent people, their families and even their children, including the disruption of workspaces and private family life was planned on your page – and not just against Joe Karam, but anyone they could stalk and identify as a supporter of David Bain.

You’re a sick twisted idiot – and a liar – your page has nothing to do with campaigning – you wouldn’t know the meaning of the word.
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October 17, 2013 8:26pm
mikenmild

PEB
Well he’s still only young and will still have his dreams. If he pays attention in class, listens to his Mum and works hard alomost anything could happen.
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October 17, 2013 8:27pm
Judith

Nostalgia-NZ (4,071) Says:
October 17th, 2013 at 8:17 pm

Do not forget whose name appears on the list of members of that site.
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October 17, 2013 8:28pm
cha

#SPC All part of the plan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starve_the_beast
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October 17, 2013 8:29pm
mikenmild

It’s nice that you seem prepared to concede that the republicans have a plan; I should have thought they were becoming increasingly unplanned in their various obsessions.
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October 17, 2013 8:41pm
stigie

I only ask Red that because I don’t think he’s ever been. Its like his fantasy chick.

You mean doll PEB !
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October 17, 2013 8:48pm
cha

Perhaps plan is a little generous mike…
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October 17, 2013 8:51pm
SPC

cha, yep, apparently the walking dead idea is to allow debt to rise to such a level that government as it has been will have to end.
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October 17, 2013 8:52pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand be famous 😆

Man seeks ‘climate change asylum’ in New Zealand
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October 17, 2013 8:53pm
mikenmild

SPC/cha
Sort of like a Samson option – bringing the temple crashing down on yourself as well as your enemies.
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October 17, 2013 8:54pm
nasska

They don’t last long at Chateau Baitor stigie. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/tlojul02fyiwk12/Doll%209.jpg
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October 17, 2013 8:54pm
publicwatchdog

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11141735

Inquiry into Len Brown sex scandal to be held

By NZ Herald staff

4:22 PM Thursday Oct 17, 2013

Auckland Council chief executive Doug McKay has confirmed an inquiry into Len Brown’s spending in the wake of his sex scandal.

The decision was made following inquiries from the New Zealand Herald about whether Mr Brown’s affair breached the council’s code of conduct and conflict of interest policies.

Mr McKay said today that the Mayor has no council credit card and all invoices and payments from the mayoral budget are checked and approved by the chief of staff.

“I have received an assurance from both the Mayor and his chief of staff that no mayoral office funds were used in relation to the Mayor’s relationship with Ms Chuang.”

“However I have agreed to independently review this to confirm that is the case.”

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So – MR ‘CONFLICT OF INTEREST’ himself, Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay, who is a member of the unelected private lobby group – the Committee for Auckland, is going to make a decision about Len Brown’s ‘conflicts of interest’?

Give me a break…… (You couldn’t make this stuff up – SERIOUSLY?)

How many Auckland Council and Auckland Council CCO contracts are going to member companies of the Committee for Auckland?

http://www.committeeforauckland.co.nz/membership/member-organisations

Doug McKay Chief Executive Officer Auckland Council

Wake up folks!

Where is the money going and who is benefiting?

I predict that Auckland Council CEO Doug McKay will find that Len Brown has done nothing that should result in his being forced to stand down as Mayor.

We shall see………

Penny Bright
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October 17, 2013 8:59pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

Think how much cheaper electrity would be if Jim accepted the Russian offer:

Missiles for milk: how Russia offered NZ military hardware to settle dairy bill

New Zealand should have taken the nuclear submarine.
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October 17, 2013 8:59pm
stigie

Yep, they look fucking worn out Nasska.
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October 17, 2013 9:01pm
Pauleastbay

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Carpenter

deceased- there are men like this and then there are politicians
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October 17, 2013 9:17pm
graham

publicwatchdog at 7:14 pm:

“I believe it is time for ENFORCEABLE ‘Codes of Conduct’ for both local and central NZ elected representatives.

During the 2013 Auckland Mayoral campaign, I called for enforceable ‘Codes of Conduct’ in my ACTION PLAN against ‘white collar’ crime, corruption and corporate welfare”

And yet … STILL you have never answered some very simple questions, such as:

1. Would YOU, Penny Bright, sign up to your own Code of Conduct?
2. What exactly might this ‘code of conduct’ look like? Would it include, for example, the requirement to obey the law and PAY YOUR RATES? Might it prohibit VANDALISING THE BILLBOARDS OF YOUR POLITICAL OPPONENTS?

Despite being asked these questions for many months, Penny, you have refused to answer.

Whereas John Banks does actually respond to questions that are put to him.

And even though he has not been convicted in court of any wrong-doing, he has done the honourable thing and stepped down from his ministerial responsibilities.

This is why John Banks has more integrity and is more trustworthy than Penny Bright.

In my ‘considered opinion’. 🙂

Meant in a ‘caring way’. 🙂
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October 17, 2013 9:21pm
cha

A short and insignificant existence.

http://www.dailydot.com/crime/helmet-camera-motorcycle-hijacking-shooting/
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October 17, 2013 9:27pm
publicwatchdog

Whatever Graham…..

Unlike John Banks, I take full personal responsibility for my actions.

Never in a million years would I consider delegating the responsibility for compiling my Mayoral candidate’s returns to another party, and fail to double-check them before signing them.

(Are you aware that the Solicitor-General Michael Heron is considering intervening and taking over the private prosecution of John Banks which was initiated by Graham McCready?)

Again, I ask you to please provide a link to any Court judgment which confirms that I have been found guilty of ‘vandalising’ or damaging the signs of billboards of any ‘political opponents’?

If not – pull your head in – and carefully read the following section 25 of the NZ Defamation Act 1992?

http://www.legislation.co.nz/act/public/1992/0105/latest/DLM281239.html

25 Retraction or reply

(1)Any person who claims to have been defamed by any matter published in a news medium may, not later than 5 working days after that person becomes aware of the publication of that matter in that news medium, request the person who was responsible for the publication of that matter to publish, in the same medium as the publication complained of, with substantially similar prominence, and without undue delay,—

(a)a retraction of the matter in so far as it includes or consists of statements of fact; or
(b)a reasonable reply.

(2)Where, in response to a request made under subsection (1), a person agrees to publish a retraction or a reply, that person shall also offer to pay to the person who made the request (in this subsection referred to as the requester),—

(a)where it is agreed to publish a reply, the cost of publishing that reply; and
(b)the solicitor and client costs incurred by the requester in connection with the publication of the retraction or reply; and
(c)all other expenses reasonably incurred by the requester in connection with the publication complained of; and
(d)compensation for any pecuniary loss suffered by the requester as a direct result of the publication complained of.

(3)In this section, reply means a statement of explanation or rebuttal, or of both explanation and rebuttal.

________________________________________________________________________________________________

Penny Bright
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October 17, 2013 10:35pm
BlairM

Nostalgia-NZ (4,075) Says:
October 17th, 2013 at 8:17 pm
BlairM a gutless wonder using DPF’s blog for defamation.

Two innocent people lost their lives at your hands, you have no right to call anybody names, buddy. Just be glad you’re a free man and shut up.

“BlairM (2,152) Says:
October 17th, 2013 at 7:30 pm

If Mr Karam does not want to be harassed, he should not continue to pursue…”

This actually sounds suspiciously like a threat and/or blackmail. I shall be sure the right people see it.

Not at all. Just an observation of the natural human reaction to a man who continues to defend the indefensible. David Bain got acquitted of the murders he committed thanks largely to Mr Karam, and both are now public figures. People have a right to an opinion about that, and a right to express it. It’s not something I, or anyone else, need or actively want to conspire to initiate. Obviously if people recognise Karam on the street they are going to speak their mind. None of that is my doing, or Kent Parker’s, but a natural byproduct of Mr Karam’s own misguided advocacy.

You are a fool.
The time where hatesites were tolerated is long past. I have a copy of your facebook page before much of it was deleted, you should be ashamed of yourself. That is not campaigning, most of it has nothing to do with Robin Bain’s guilt or innocence, it is sheer harassment, filth and lies. The stalking of innocent people, their families and even their children, including the disruption of workspaces and private family life was planned on your page – and not just against Joe Karam, but anyone they could stalk and identify as a supporter of David Bain.

Now this is ironic – Mr Karam is suing one of my comrades for defamation/libel, yet you’re prepared to open yourself up by doing the same thing to me. Personally I have said very little about Karam on our page – he is not our focus – and it is rather narcissistic of him to think it is “all about him”. My concern is that there are so many fools out there that think Mr Bain is innocent of the deaths of his family, and that he is seeking recourse to the taxpayer for a crime of which he was justly convicted. It is not Mr Karam.

You’re a sick twisted idiot – and a liar – your page has nothing to do with campaigning – you wouldn’t know the meaning of the word.

Oh dear, personal abuse, and libel. Winners don’t need to resort to name-calling. If you are going to accuse me of lying, be more specific. I understand you think Mr Bain is innocent. I, and so many others, have considered the evidence, and do not. It’s not a case of truth or untruth from me, but the undisputed evidence of the case, which clearly shows, at minimum, a balance of probabilities that David Bain murdered his family in cold blood.
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October 18, 2013 3:25am
graham

Oh dear … all that blather, Penny, and STILL you refuse to answer two very simple questions – questions that YOU have put to your rival John Palino and expected him to answer – questions regarding an “Action Plan” that YOU are promoting.

Unbelievable.

Penny Bright – who loudly calls for transparency and openness – REFUSES to be transparent and open herself.

Whereas John Banks DOES actually respond to questions that are put to him.

Who is more trustworthy?

PS: As this is the second time you have blathered on about defamation, please provide details of this alleged defamation, including an unedited quote of the text where you have been defamed. Because, in fact, you have NOT been defamed – reread what I wrote.
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October 18, 2013 7:22am
graham

Oh, and Penny, as I have said before – once you answer the questions I have asked you, I will then gladly answer your questions.
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October 18, 2013 7:25am
Manolo

Falling from grace: http://www.france24.com/en/20131017-chinese-agency-downgrades-us-credit-rating
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October 18, 2013 7:43am
graham

Slow news day?

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11141918

Auckland’s traditionally blue street signs could be eradicated in a green revolution – without any public say.

…

Auckland Transport promised yesterday, after questions from the Herald, that it would replace the two new signs with blue ones to restore colour conformity at the intersection of Navarre Rd, Weybridge Crescent and West Tamaki Rd.

But it would not give an assurance that it would consult Aucklanders on a decision in mid-2014 on whether to make blue or green the official colour of street signs throughout the city.

Oh no! We may not be consulted on … THE OFFICIAL COLOUR OF STREET SIGNS!!!

Is this really the biggest problem we need to worry about right now?
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October 18, 2013 7:57am
Dennis Horne

@Graham. Street sign colours, blue or green? What about Rainbow?
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October 18, 2013 8:24am
Nostalgia-NZ

BlairM

Like I said a gutless wonder, a long distance hero and pontificating idiot. Your ‘comrade’ is a self-admitted liar, just like your hate campaign built on lies and threats. I see you’ve toned you defamation down, you may not be as thick as you appear after all.
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October 18, 2013 8:39am
Kanz

The other ‘comrade’ has done a runner, as have those who used these fools for their own ends.

Political activists? Why then has the website and it’s petition gone?

This case was going to relitigate the Bain case, was it not? Fools and pawns is all these people were.
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October 18, 2013 8:50am
Judith

@ BlairM (2,153) Says:
October 18th, 2013 at 3:25 am

Are you aware that at the end of 2011 your page had mentioned Joe Karam over 100 times more than it had mentioned Robin Bain?

Are you aware that comments on your page spent more than five months without a mention of Robin Bain, but during that time spent a great deal of time on the private life of Joe Karam and his family, and trying to work out the private identities of people posting on Trademe in defence of David Bain?

Are you aware that the private names, addresses, phone numbers and even the names of children of the supporters of David Bain appeared on your facebook page but were later removed when it was known your page had more leaks than a sieve?

Kind of makes a mockery of what you say, doesn’t it?

Your intentions might be honourable, but those of many of your ‘comrades’ is certainly not. It is hateful, spiteful, and very wrong – and what makes it worse is the snivelling Kent Parker, and yourself and other members who think it is okay to use Robin Bain to conduct a hate campaign against other people and then appear in Court and blame the sleepless nights and the coffee.

Freedom of speech NEVER has, and NEVER will give the right to persecute innocent people, their families and their acquaintances. People like your group and the behaviour they have taken part in over the last few years are the sort of example that restricts freedom of speech. People that abuse it in the way some members of JFRB have, cause further restrictions to be placed because they are too demented and obsessed to control their emotions.

Never forget your site in its entirety was copied. You cannot feign your ‘loyalty’ to Robin Bain – it simply doesn’t dominate your page, however, jealousy and hatred towards Joe Karam does, even the dislike of David Bain comes second.
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October 18, 2013 9:03am
BlairM

Nos – you can call me all the names you want, but unlike you I haven’t killed two people, so I don’t know what credibility you think you have in hurling abuse. Stones, glass houses, etc.

Judith – the JFRB page keeps up with current events. David Bain deprived Robin of his life, and so his status during the life of the JFRB page has remained unchanged – he is still six feet under. Not too much to talk about there. Karam, however, has done a great deal on behalf of his client in that time, so the fact that he is mentioned a good deal more is unsurprising. We’re a very active group that talks about what is happening now a lot more than what did happen in the past.

You should be very clear that you are referring to the Justice for Robin Bain page, by the way, not my own personal Facebook page. I am unaware of anything improper on the page or anything remotely like you describe, although we have hundreds of members who are free to post. From time to time someone will say something stupid, and it will be promptly removed by either myself or one of my fellow admins. That is the full extent of my responsibility as far as I’m concerned. Some of the admins keep an eye on the page more vigilantly than others, so it’s entirely possible that someone could post some stupid crap on there, it will be quickly disposed of, and I will be none the wiser as to its materialization. If one of your moles takes a screencap in the interim, that’s no indication of the length of time it sat there.

Do people get upset and perhaps carried away? Of course. But five people are dead because of what David Bain did, so the fact that Karam continues to advocate for him makes a lot of people very angry. That is simply a hazard of what he has chosen to take on, and if he wants to whine about it, I can play a sad song on the world’s smallest violin for him.
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October 18, 2013 10:25am
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You’re fill of it BlairM. No idea what you’re talking about – stick to the religious lectures.

I still see you using somebody else’s blog to defame people, that sums you and your group of ‘comrades’ up.
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October 18, 2013 12:31pm
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Nos – you can call me all the names you want, but unlike you I haven’t killed two people, so I don’t know what credibility you think you have in hurling abuse. Stones, glass houses, etc.

😯 I’ve read many accusations on Kiwiblog over the years. That would be one of the larger ones…
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