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October 15, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Harriet

“When those that produce must ask permission from those that produce nothing, you will know that your society is doomed.”
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October 15, 2013 8:03am
thePeoplesFlag

Simon Bridges interview with John Campbell – Bridges behaved like a over-privileged private school boy who had just been been told his school trip to France had been cancelled due to peasants occupying the runway.
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October 15, 2013 8:16am
Pete George

Bryce Edwards thinks we need more party involvement in local body politics to stem the apathy in elections – ‘Dire’ voter turnout spurs inquiry suggestion.

Political parties in council – good or bad?
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October 15, 2013 8:18am
Dennis Horne

thePeoplesFlag (8) Says: October 15th, 2013 at 8:16 am. … cancelled due to peasants occupying the runway.

Birds on the runway? They shoot them, don’t they?
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October 15, 2013 8:19am
Scott Chris

Here’s an odd one:

Moscow offered to give New Zealand a nuclear submarine to help settle Russia’s debt for Kiwi dairy products, a new book reveals…
Told by Bolger that New Zealand had a nuclear-free policy, Moscow’s response was to suggest “we tie it up in some port and connect it to the national grid”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9282669/Russia-offered-MiGs-tanks-to-settle-NZ-debt
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October 15, 2013 8:22am
Ross Nixon

Does anyone know if Russia ever paid off their $100 million (1998) dairy debt to us?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9282669/Russia-offered-MiGs-tanks-to-settle-NZ-debt
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October 15, 2013 8:23am
Dennis Horne

@Pete George. There are two questions. Do we want the electorate voting for parties, or individuals. There is a fundamental difference. If the answer is “individuals” then the best outcome is if people tick only people they know and ignore the rest.

The level of ignorance astounds me. A TV newsreader was lamenting how complicated STV is. No, it’s not. You don’t have to rank everyone – just vote for the people you want or know.
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October 15, 2013 8:27am
hj

An elderly woman with osteoarthritis of the spine takes her life. The Coroner calls for debate on euthanasia. Someone called maloney from Family something sees it as an attack on the power of his religion.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/9282506/Coroner-urges-MPs-to-decide-on-euthanasia
What a shame we couldn’t swap the osteoarthritis onto the anti euthanasia people!?
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October 15, 2013 8:31am
Camryn

@Pete George – Parties. I’ve noticed individuals in local body elections all spout the same generic platitudes – “lower rates, better services, local representation” – whether from the right or left. Being tied to a perspective is apparently seen as an impediment to election. Parties don’t have the luxury of deliberately not staking out any ground.
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October 15, 2013 8:33am
hj

“The savviest user of the media in the advancement of Asian interests against Canada’s British heritage is Henry Yu. A history professor at the University of British Columbia, Yu accuses Canada of being ‘systematically racist’ and in need of reparations through massive immigration from the non-Western world. He is the recent recipient of two huge grants, a $1.17 million project entitled ‘Chinese Canadian Stories: Uncommon Histories from a Common Past,’ which will seek a major ‘reinterpretation of Canadian history through the lens of Chinese Canadians,’ as well as $950,000 from the Federal government to document the ‘ignored histories’ of one of the ‘founding peoples’ of Canada.

In an Op Ed piece in The Vancouver Sun (February 2, 2010), ‘Vancouver’s Own Not-So Quiet Revolution’, Yu claimed that the English language ‘stunts diversity’. Calling it a ‘colonial’ language, he demanded that Asian languages, long ‘silenced’ by ‘white supremacists’, be given the same official status. He even equated the presence of a high number of whites in leadership positions with ‘the legacy of a long history of apartheid and white supremacy’. Elsewhere he added that the old bilingual Canada ‘no longer makes sense’. Canada has ceased to be a Western-Atlantic nation. Between 2001 and 2006, the top four places of births for immigrants were in Asia; the five largest Canadian cities are heavily populated by Chinese ‘migrants’. ‘In Vancouver, Canada’s third largest city, the visible minority is white.’ This ‘new Pacific Canada’, he observed, marks a return to a Canada originally Pacific. The ‘dominance of white supremacy in immigration policy’ between the 1920s and 1960s disrupted this founding Pacific orientation.

Yu relies on two meagre facts to support these claims: Asians built portions of the transcontinental railroad in the late 19th century, and the Chinese proportion of the population in British Columbia in 1901 was 10 per cent. The truth is that Chinese immigrants have played a microscopic role in Canada’s history. In 1901, 96 per cent of the Canadian population was European in origin; there were only 17,043 Chinese immigrants (born outside Canada) relative to a population of 5.3 million. Vancouver, with the highest Chinese proportion throughout Canada’s history, was virtually a white European city from its beginnings in the 1870s to the 1980s. In the 1950s, when the city had been fully developed into a metropolis, the British accounted for about 75 per cent of the population, and other Europeans accounted for about 18 per cent, whereas the Asian proportion (Chinese and Japanese) accounted for only 3 or 4 per cent. Patricia Roy’s Vancouver, An Illustrated History (1980), exhibits a city that was overwhelmingly British in its architectural landscape, notwithstanding its Chinatown and Little Tokyo. The sports, the education, the legal system every institution was British. The Founding Fathers, the Mayors, the magistrates, the school trustees, the chief constables, the physicians, the presidents of the Board of Trade were all British descendents.
http://www.immigrationwatchcanada.org/2012/09/19/multicultural-madness/

Of course it wouldn’t happen in Aotearoa (yet).
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October 15, 2013 8:39am
flipper

thePeoplesFlag (8) Says:
October 15th, 2013 at 8:16 am
Simon Bridges interview with John Campbell – Bridges behaved like a over-privileged private school boy who
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HORSESHEEET

Campbell tried with Bridges last evening what tried unsuccessfully with John Key.
Key was in the studio, and Campbell could not escape Key’s eyes.
Bridges was on video link…..but he exposed, yet again, Campbell as a posturing, self aggrandising fool. The sighs, the forehead wiping…just childish.

Bridges was well prepared and he dealt with all Campbell’s lies, distortions, and bias in the manner deserved.
Bridges called spades shovels and made them stick – thru Campbell’s guts.

MAZDA must be wondering how much longer they should suffer that fool.
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October 15, 2013 8:40am
Keeping Stock

Glorious day here in the islands; not a cloud in the sky, and the temperature already in the 20’s. The weather’s not been so flash back at home, I hear 😛
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October 15, 2013 8:40am
nickb

I think Simon Bridges might have some promise if he keeps attacking the MSM, especially John Campbell.

Anyone but Judith Collins (or even worse, Steven Joyce) for next National leader.
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October 15, 2013 8:43am
Dirty Rat

PENNY !!!

PENNY !!!!

7.50 this morning, go to Botany Road/Union Road Roundabout

before some OCD blogger sees it…and goes all OCD on you
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October 15, 2013 8:47am
hj

The Problem with Bridges was that he never really engaged Campbell just over talked him. Winston Peters is better because he actually engages a point even if the reply is a bit slippery .
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October 15, 2013 8:47am
Dirty Rat

yeah…Bridges had “Screaming Queen” written all over him
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October 15, 2013 8:48am
Colville

Pete George.
I live in Pamly Nth. We had Leonie Hapeta (the wannabe Nat MP) stand (and win) for Council. I would have loved to see her stand with a team of like minded pro growth people so I could have voted for a team. Also would love to see young Nats try out for Council as a training ground.
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October 15, 2013 8:50am
Pete George

Casino deal shown in cardboard

If the Greens only spent $3-5,000 on their cardboard pokies it’s not a big deal, a lot of parliamentary money is spent by all parties on self advertising.

But is that cheap, $4-6, for 500 large cardboard boxes, materials and printing?
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October 15, 2013 8:50am
Dennis Horne

There was a dirty old sea dog called flipper
Who bummed a whipper snapper on his clipper
His defence was fraught
And as the rope went taut
He ejaculated bravely onto one slipper.
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October 15, 2013 8:51am
tedbear

I’m thinking of buying a Samsung ATIV 10.1″ 64GB Tablet with bluetooth keyboard and case.
Does anyone have one and/or could give me any advice please?

At first I thought about Ipad but this Samsung seems to have more bells and whistles.
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October 15, 2013 8:52am
Pete George

Colville – I don’t know how you can vote in Palmy Nth but here we can only vote for one person for council, we can’t vote for a team. STV allows you to rank multiple people but only one of your votes counts.
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October 15, 2013 8:53am
jcuk

Those interested in how Obamacare is working, not a government system but rather using private enterprise will find
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/14/opinion/keller-obamacare-the-rest-of-the-story.html?pagewanted=1&nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20131014
of interest …. but you need to not be anti ACA because it is a black man’s child … a particularly vicious form of racisim in todays world.
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October 15, 2013 8:54am
flipper

Ahhhhh
Denis the fuckwit dentist…. still on novocaine?

You really do have a criminal-like tendency to see sexual overtones to everything,. I think you should read your own post
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October 15, 2013 8:59am
Ross12

Scott and Ross –re Russian dairy debt. I can’t remember the details but I recall a couple of guys ( maybe ex Dairy Board at the time) who started bringing Lada cars into NZ , which was tied up with repaying a dairy debt. But this was much earlier
( late 70s, early 80s I think)
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October 15, 2013 9:00am
jcuk

ade my blood boil at the stupidity of the anti euthanasia sokesperson talking about the ‘tragedy’ of the 85yo’s death.
Perhaps if he was closer to that age like me at near 82yo he would realise it comes to all of us and if my back gets worse I may be considering it but currently looking to reach the century.
The tragedy is people thinking that quantity of life is preferable to quality of life.
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October 15, 2013 9:02am
SGA

@Dennis Horne at 8:51 am

Dennis, you aren’t related to Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings of Greenbridge, Essex, England, by any chance?
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October 15, 2013 9:03am
flipper

I doubt that the Reserve Bank will be inviting Hosking to their Christmas Party, 2013. But Hosking does make some points:

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From Newstalk ZB
By: Mike Hosking | Tuesday, 15 October 2013

If the BNZ’s latest survey of real estate agents is accurate, then Graeme Wheeler will be a happy man.

Wheeler as the head of the Reserve Bank is on a drive to take the heat out of prices in the real estate market. His chosen method has been to force the banks to up the required deposit you need to borrow money. The biggest group affected by such a change is first home buyers, and according to the survey the number of first home buyers in the market is plummeting.

So congratulations Graham, you’ve achieved what you set out to do.

Two problems though. Firstly, I doubt it will do anything for the price of a house. Those houses will still get sold. There is no shortage of investors and developers and good property has always gone for good money. Secondly (by far the most important part) he is potentially reshaping the entire social landscape of this country, which is far too profound a thing to do simply to tackle a perceived price bubble that many argue doesn’t even exist in the first place.

If the first home buyers vanish, they become renters or stay renters. Eventually we will have in this country what they have elsewhere but we, I would have thought, wisely and perhaps proudly have avoided – generation rent.

Generation rent is an international phenomenon where by it is widely accepted people of a certain age, mainly their 20s and 30s, have grown up in a country where owning a home simply isn’t possible. And if they never get in early, they don’t get in at all. They will never buy. They will rent until the day they die.

This is a sign of failure, a very easily avoidable sign of failure. There is no reason to want to join the club especially given what’s driving it is a perception that $600,000 in Auckland as an average price is something to be alarmed about.

Young people must be able to access property. Wheeler is making a profound mistake in locking them out. Build more homes, make more land available. These are the tangibles that help and the tangibles others like the Government have worked out are the real answer, not to mention increasing interest rates which are on their way.

Further, the Government should be sweating this. They can argue Wheeler is independent all they want. But an angry 27-year-old in a flat for life isn’t a person who’ll be thanking the Government that oversaw them being shut out of home ownership, especially when the other blokes are saying ‘don’t worry, it’s a dumb policy, we’ll reverse it’.

Having an independent Reserve Bank is fine until that bank makes the sort of mistake it’s currently making. The independence has led to unbridled stupidity, and that’s never good.
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October 15, 2013 9:17am
Harriet

“…..tedbear (75) Says…..Samsung……”

Well worth the money.

I brought my daughter one and have had no problems at all with it. I’m actually very impressed with it. After I had brought it I read that they have outsold, or are now out selling, ipads. The reviews are very good too[ I checked those before I bought it – PC mag has a good one from memory.]

I live in Aust and most people I know have samsungs and they all rate them very highly. Cheers.

Edit: The people I know use them for general use at work and home – however they are not ‘hi tech workers’.
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October 15, 2013 9:23am
Redbaiter

Kommieblog regulars sticking it to Simon Bridges for showing some fight against the sham journo John Campbell. Communist Party Edict #364, Moscow 1954- You must always kiss the arses of our agents working in journalism.
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October 15, 2013 9:27am
Harriet

Ted bear#

I can’t comment on the bluetooth keyboard as I didn’t get her that.
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October 15, 2013 9:28am
hj

New Zealand First has again called for an immediate freeze on property sales to foreign buyers to avoid a ‘backdoor’ sell out of New Zealand land and homes.

This follows the belated realisation by Labour that there is a serious problem with foreign buyers snapping up houses in the Auckland area.

Rt Hon Winston Peters says New Zealand First has repeatedly called for restrictions on property sales to foreign interests and has a Private Members’ Bill in the ballot which would set up a comprehensive register of all foreign owned land.

“We know that there are a lot of properties being sold to foreign interests. We know of cases in Auckland where buyers are obtaining multiple titles and are being financed with very low interest rates by banks based in China.

“Throughout history, foreign ownership of property has caused serious problems. In New Zealand we have a disaster in the making.

“No other country has such open ended rules over property ownership. Thousands of New Zealanders are forced to live in sub-standard houses while people stepping off a plane can grab any number of properties.

“This has to be stopped forthwith. Many of the overseas owners are involved in property speculation in the Auckland market, driving up prices and creating a serious shortage of homes for young families starting out,” says Mr Peters.
– See more at: http://livenews.co.nz/2013/07/28/freeze-property-sales-to-foreign-buyers-urges-peters/#sthash.RlB1ltnf.dpuf
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October 15, 2013 9:38am
Weihana

tedbear (75) Says:
October 15th, 2013 at 8:52 am

I’m thinking of buying a Samsung ATIV 10.1″ 64GB Tablet with bluetooth keyboard and case.
Does anyone have one and/or could give me any advice please?

At first I thought about Ipad but this Samsung seems to have more bells and whistles.

Not sure about the exact tablets you are looking at, but I would tend to prefer Samsung just because I find it easier to drag and drop files from the desktop computer onto the tablet without going through iTunes. Maybe that has changed.
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October 15, 2013 9:38am
adamsmith1922

Re Dennis Horne at 8:19, I assume he means the blonde bimbo Toni Street!
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October 15, 2013 9:44am
Sidey

Redbaiter at 9:27 am
Kommieblog regulars sticking it to Simon Bridges for showing some fight against the sham journo John Campbell. Communist Party Edict #364, Moscow 1954- You must always kiss the arses of our agents working in journalism.

Once again Red can’t help himself. Simply incapable of making a comment without the obligatory abuse of others. We’re you taught any manners as a child?
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October 15, 2013 9:46am
Redbaiter

Just so I know what the fuck you are talking about you should quote the “abuse”.

I think you are the kind of Kommieblog regular, a lightweight leftwinger so imbued with Progressive thought patterns you classify dissent as “abuse”. As a means to get it shut down.

Do yourself a favour.

Show readers your perceived “abuse”.
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October 15, 2013 9:49am
tedbear

Harriet..Thank you very much for all that. I had budgeted about $1000 for a Retina Ipad with case etc and perhaps 3G as I intend getting into a pastime called Geocaching.
The Samsung is more expensive at about $1200 all up but seems more user friendly with its massive 64GB storage, HDMI, USB, SD Card Reader plus with a proper Windows OS, I can imagine one can download at will, unlike being limited to Apple’s App Store.
Thank you again, I’ll search for those reviews too.
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October 15, 2013 9:53am
Harriet

The Kommieblog regulars are all over the shop……

…….one minute they’re humanists suggesting that people should only be doing what they want to do by their own free will…….the very next minute they’re all fucken Kommies…….regulating the actions of the entire fucken country…….food….drink……

Sometimes I think God invented them to humour the monkeys.
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October 15, 2013 10:00am
Harriet

Cheers Ted.

You could always look at the 16gb and then get a portable hard drive for $100. just sayin.
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October 15, 2013 10:01am
Kleva Kiwi

@ flipper

The problem with Hosking here is he misses the point entirely. The Reserve banks decision has nothing to do with house prices or lowering them, and everything to do with the equity/debt ratio. The aim of the policy change is to reduce the debt/equity ratio so a housing bubble does not occur. Nothing to do with lowering house prices, which will only be achieved if compliance cost are reduced and more land is made available for development.

So he can waffle on as much as he likes, he is just proving how ignorant he really is to the issue being addressed…
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October 15, 2013 10:02am
dime

TEDBEAR – what for the Surface 2.
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October 15, 2013 10:06am
nickb

Typical do as I say, not as I do:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2457435/Sir-Richard-Branson-leaves-Britain-Necker-tax-haven-home.html?j=459781&e=nick.beresford@bvo.co.nz&l=346_HTML&u=12371827&mid=1062735&jb=0
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October 15, 2013 10:08am
tedbear

This is the one
http://www.samsung.com/nz/consumer/pc-peripherals/notebook-pc/tablet-pc/XE300TZC-K02AU

Sorry, I forget how to paste that as a link
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October 15, 2013 10:09am
Dennis Horne

There was a poor dog_fish called flipper
Whose scales were made from glitter
He swallowed the Bain line
With a glass of fine wine
And fell asleep at the feet of a fibber.
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October 15, 2013 10:10am
Manolo

For once I agree with the Russkies: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8738871/russia-denies-greenpeace-captains-bail
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October 15, 2013 10:16am
Jack5

For those who think the American Civil War ended slavery (and ignore the abolitionists of Britain’s success 60 years earlier), there are now approaching a million slave labourers (the modern equivalent) in the European Union alone:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/eu-reports-estimates-880-000-slave-laborers-in-europe-a-927778.html#ref=nl-international
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October 15, 2013 10:20am
Redbaiter

“The Kommieblog regulars are all over the shop……”

In terms of political direction this country is a headless chook. With both Labour and National so left wing, and mainstream media completely prejudiced as an information source, few have any clear idea as to how to escape the leftist chasm we have fallen into.
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October 15, 2013 10:25am
Jack5

Re hj’s 8.39 post on Professor Henry Yu’s criticism of the English language’s use in Canada because it is a colonial language.

That’s what the Tibetans and Uighurs say about Mandarin. Even scores of millions of Cantonese speakers say that about Mandarin.
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October 15, 2013 10:26am
Left Right and Centre

Dennis – the 8:51 limerick is rubbish – it don’t fit the pattern, innit?

Ooo… I just had a big juicy liquorice allsort craving – shit that was good.
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October 15, 2013 10:26am
Tom Jackson

“When those that produce must ask permission from those that produce nothing, you will know that your society is doomed.”

Educated people call this view “Marxism”.

You’re so confused Harriet.
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October 15, 2013 10:31am
Redbaiter

So 20 mins after alleging “abuse’. Kommieblog regular Sidey, who stalked me with 50 comments of off topic personally focused shit when he first showed up here, apparently can’t specify the “abuse” that prompted his complaint.

Because it is just as I said. This stupid brainwashed commie POS is so morbid of mind he thinks to disagree with the perceived wisdom of the progressive chattering classes is to be abusive.

God help this country. Its as full as lame brained stooges with group think so deeply embedded in their psyche as Nazi Germany ever was. Cubans who all think like white bait or lemmings not because they have been forced into it by men with guns, but because they fucking want to.
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October 15, 2013 10:33am
Tom Jackson

Bridges was on video link…..but he exposed, yet again, Campbell as a posturing, self aggrandising fool. The sighs, the forehead wiping…just childish.

Nope. Bridges just went a long way to destroying his own career ambitions last night. He needs a better media coach.
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October 15, 2013 10:35am
Left Right and Centre

few have any ide….krrrrrk…..few have any ide….krrrrrrk… few have any ide….krrrrrrrk… few have any ide…. krrrrrrrrk… few have any ide….krrrrrrk…. few have any ide….krrrrrrk…. few have any ide… krrrrrrrrk

🙂

So – the two main parties look purple to you. The purple populists.

I reckon you’d have made a great Nazi. Six million Jews? Fuck – you would’ve creamed all of them cunt 🙂

Shit – the world might now speak German if you’d had anything to do with them.
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October 15, 2013 10:38am
Redbaiter

Nope. Bridges just went a long way to destroying his own career ambitions last night. He needs a better media coach.

Thanks for that opinion Tom.

When I care for it any more than I care for the opinion of any other extreme left blind bigot I will let you know.
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October 15, 2013 10:38am
Tom Jackson

I’m thinking of buying a Samsung ATIV 10.1″ 64GB Tablet with bluetooth keyboard and case.
Does anyone have one and/or could give me any advice please?

Buying anything other than an iPad for a tablet is a waste of money these days, especially anything that has a Microsoft OS unless you absolutely need it for work.

Buying a non-Apple tablet is like buying a Reliant Robin to drive.
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October 15, 2013 10:39am
Redbaiter

I reckon you’d have made a great Nazi. Six million Jews? Fuck – you would’ve creamed all of them cunt

Get a job you bludging old brain damaged narcissistic bore.
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October 15, 2013 10:40am
alloytoo

@Tedbear

Rather stay clear of Windows tablets (even Samsung).

Android is fast becoming the dominant OS for mobile/tablet devices.

Also very easy to integrate with an existing windows home network, plenty of apps that allow you to select and paste onto windows shared directories or even Google drive or Box.
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October 15, 2013 10:40am
Tom Jackson

When I care for it any more than I care for the opinion of any other extreme left blind bigot I will let you know.

Don’t you have some sort of worldwide revolution to lead?

Or are you just going to spend the day in the park yelling at clouds?
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October 15, 2013 10:40am
Tom Jackson

Get a job you bludging brain damaged narcissistic bore.

Sand in your vagina, Reddy?
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October 15, 2013 10:42am
Tom Jackson

God help this country. Its as full as lame brained stooges with group think so deeply embedded in their psyche as Nazi Germany ever was. Cubans who all think like white bait or lemmings not because they have been forced into it by men with guns, but because they fucking want to.

You don’t like it here?

Fuck off then. Nobody wants you here anyway.
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October 15, 2013 10:44am
Redbaiter

“Nobody wants you here anyway.”

Wow, the Grand Head of NZ’s Commissariat speaks out for his adoring people.

Has a shrink ever checked you out for megalomania Tom?
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October 15, 2013 10:47am
mikenmild

Reddy
You constantly bemoan the state of New Zealand. Can you think of any countries that are moving in what you consider to be the correct direction?
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October 15, 2013 10:50am
Redbaiter

Gosh Tom, a couple of things so difficult to logically reconcile.

If I am so bizarrely ineffective, why does a clearly busy and intellectually superior communist watch tower guard like you send so much time trying to discredit me?

Look forward to the explanation.
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October 15, 2013 10:52am
Redbaiter

You’re not doing that jack booted interrogator thing again are you Milkey? Very tiresome. Most people when they want to make a point construct a valid argument. Maybe you should try that sometime.

(But if its beyond your ability, I will understand.)
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October 15, 2013 10:54am
Harriet

Tom Jackson (1,509) Says:
October 15th, 2013 at 10:31 am

“When those that produce must ask permission from those that produce nothing, you will know that your society is doomed.”

Educated people call this view “Marxism”.

You’re so confused Harriet.

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“When those that produce must ask permission from those that produce nothing, you will know that your society is doomed.” – John Gualt.

From Ayn Rands novel : When Atlas Shrugged.

your’re so illiterate Tom
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October 15, 2013 10:56am
Tom Jackson

If I am so bizarrely ineffective, why does a clearly busy and intellectually superior communist watch tower guard like you send so much time trying to discredit me?

I don’t need to discredit you. You do a fine job of that yourself every time you open your mouth.

What I and others do on here is called “mocking” you.

I’m still waiting for this glorious revolution in which your final victory is assured.
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October 15, 2013 10:57am
Left Right and Centre

If I am so bizarrely ineffective, why does a clearly busy and intellectually superior communist watch tower guard like you send so much time trying to discredit me?

Is anyone on planet earth meant to take that shit seriously? Unintentional waaaaaay over-the-top hilarity.

You’ve got head problems fella. There’s a few mental folks around – fuck mate – the way you go on…. the war against all that’s wrong with society, huh? Good luck with that noddy. You’re just a lot of harmless noise.

So – what you type and anyone else types = same result. Not a lot.
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October 15, 2013 11:00am
stigie

Thats a fair point that Milky makes Reddy.

What other countries that are moving in what you consider to be the right direction ?
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October 15, 2013 11:00am
Sofia

Usual low turn-out lament for local elections

Calls for e-voting have grown louder in the wake of the weekend’s council-election results, which are likely to show a record low turnout.

I don’t actually remember seeing a single ad on television relating to the closure of postal votes, or a reminder of the final day that votes could be delivered to any city council building for the local elections.
As far as I know these two dates were the same throughout the country, so while a low turn-out is lamented,
why was there no overall television ad to publicise what was common throughout the country?
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October 15, 2013 11:01am
Tom Jackson

From Ayn Rands novel : When Atlas Shrugged.

your’re so illiterate Tom

First, the novel is titled “Atlas Shrugged”. If you are going to accuse others of being illiterate, you should ensure that you are able to read the title of the novel correctly. It’s not hard, since it is emblazoned on the cover in large type.

Second, Ms Rand is generally regarded to be a poor prose stylist and even poorer philosopher. Her books are largely a phase that teenage girls go through, despite their approving of rape and rapists.

Third, Karl Marx objected to capitalism on just these grounds, so it’s more evidence of Rand’s mental confusion.
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October 15, 2013 11:02am
Harriet

“….What I and others do on here is called “mocking” you….”

that’s Tom admitting that himself and others are incapable of doing anything other
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October 15, 2013 11:02am
Harriet

HAhahahahha …..See what I mean!
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October 15, 2013 11:03am
Redbaiter

” What I and others do on here is called “mocking” you. ”

Yes I know that is how you perceive it. However the brain dead thug style attacks that typify your contributions don’t really contain enough sophistication and wit to rise to the level of mocking. The same applies to all of your thug mates. I don’t feel mocked. Its more like I’m being squealed at by a litter of frightened piglets as they cower under the bulk of their mother.

Nevertheless, your explanation is still contradictory. You still haven’t offered a real answer to my original question- If I am so ineffective, why do you and your commie watch tower guard thug mates give me any attention at all?
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October 15, 2013 11:03am
Left Right and Centre

Fuck off then. Nobody wants you here anyway.

Nothing to do with political stripes either…. he comes off as a nasty deranged mental prick with the occasional patch of civil-tongued sanity.
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October 15, 2013 11:04am
Tom Jackson

What other countries that are moving in what you consider to be the right direction ?

You forget that Redbaiter is the spearhead of a revolution which is about to sweep the world. UKIP and the Tea Party are secretly taking orders from him.

In the future our great grandchildren will genuflect to statues of Redbaiter as they sing songs about how he saved humanity from the evil commies, progs, women, fags, niggers and Jews.
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October 15, 2013 11:06am
Harriet

You constantly bemoan the state of New Zealand. Can you think of any countries that are moving in what you consider to be the correct direction?

Russia.
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October 15, 2013 11:06am
Left Right and Centre

brain dead thug style attacks

Unlike your highly-sophisticated brain dead thug style attacks. Good one clown!!
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October 15, 2013 11:06am
Tom Jackson

Nevertheless, your explanation is still contradictory. You still haven’t offered a real answer to my original question- If I am so ineffective, why do you and your commie watch tower guard thug mates give me any attention at all?

We’re wind up artists, and you are a (very) blank canvas.
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October 15, 2013 11:07am
Redbaiter

“Thats a fair point that Milky makes Reddy.”

Get some fucking comprehension lessons dildo. He hasn’t made any point. He asked a dumb question premised on a number of faulty and prejudical conclusions. As he always does. I don’t have the time or the interest in correcting those irrational premises. He needs to make his fucking argument, not conduct cowardly interrogations.
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October 15, 2013 11:07am
Tom Jackson

I don’t have the time or the interest in correcting those irrational premises.

Yet you will feebly attempt to do so, nonetheless.
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October 15, 2013 11:10am
Redbaiter

“We’re wind up artists, and you are a (very) blank canvas.”

You’re just a cowardly liar Tom.

I speak truth, and that is why you put so much time and effort into attacking me.

I tell it the way it is, not the way you fool people into thinking it is.

Communists fear truth the way vampires fear wooden stakes.
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October 15, 2013 11:11am
doggone7

Hosking’s rave is another example of the simplistic views he specialises in. His concern about “reshaping the entire social landscape of this country” is not feigned though or his use of the word “profound.”

What really piques with him is that the reshaping of the entire social landscape is not to what he wants it to look like. By dint of what he does he is part of of reshaping our social landscape and it sure as hell ain’t what I want it to look like.
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October 15, 2013 11:12am
Harriet

“….In the future our great grandchildren will genuflect to statues of Redbaiter as they sing songs about how he saved humanity from the evil commies, progs, women, fags, niggers and Jews….”

We’re friends of Israel….Africa…..conservative African Americans…..hetro sexual women…..we’re prepared to help gays, if they want help, and others too for that matter……

Commies and progs…….fuck them.
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October 15, 2013 11:14am
Left Right and Centre

You’re spending your whole fucking life posting here today

I don’t have the time….

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a fucking joke mate. Dipshit!!

I don’t have the time!! Too too funny that one…. crack up 🙂 🙂 Who is this idiot?

What else have you got going on today? Is it the fucking uprising today or something? Getting the millions ready?
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October 15, 2013 11:16am
dime

“If you analyze it, I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism,” – Ronald Reagan

Dime is finding himself going more and more down the libertarianism path.

Apparently, lots of young people want smaller govt.. both in the UK and the US..

The old guys in the GOP like Mccain hate it. That gets an up tick from me.

Then I stumble across this:

““This strain of libertarianism that’s going through both parties right now and making big headlines, I think, is a very dangerous thought.” – Chris Christie. Thats disappointing.

Red – how the hell is the religious right of the GOP gonna get on with the libertarians in the party? Would the religious right vote for a libertarian candidate?
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October 15, 2013 11:16am
Redbaiter

Hey Harry, look at all of the upticks the communist Tom Jackson is getting.

And they object when we call this Kommieblog.

FFS

What a joke.

Bunch of mentally clapped out little Red Army soldiers.

Sickening to see in my country.
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October 15, 2013 11:17am
Tom Jackson

You’re just a cowardly liar Tom.

And you’re a tin man.

I speak truth, and that is why you put so much time and effort into attacking me.

No you don’t. Your opinions are a poorly understood and barely coherent mishmash of far right talking points. Part of the problem with this blog is that too many people consider themselves to be conservatives without having a coherent idea of what that is supposed to mean. Hence, they spend a lot of time saying things that undermine their own positions. You are by far the worst offender in this regard. Case in point: your constant praise of the Republic of Singapore, which has a government that intervenes in the economy on a scale that even David Cunliffe would balk at.

In addition, you have recently claimed to be the spearhead of a worldwide revolution against your enemies (which is basically everybody), which has of course opened you up to ridicule from every sane person who reads Farrar’s blog.

You are essentially the NZ version of Fred Phelps. Perhaps you should start a site called “Godhatesprogs.com” because that is the level you pitch at.
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October 15, 2013 11:19am
Redbaiter

“Red – how the hell is the religious right of the GOP gonna get on with the libertarians in the party? Would the religious right vote for a libertarian candidate?”

I am not interested in Libertarians, They’re Progressives by any other name. Ignorant of history Johnny come lately losers. They should fuck off and join the Democrats. Or Labour here in NZ. EOS.
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October 15, 2013 11:21am
Tom Jackson

We’re friends of Israel….Africa…..conservative African Americans…..hetro sexual women…..we’re prepared to help gays, if they want help, and others too for that matter……

Why am I sure that your “help” for gays will include compulsory re-education camps?
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October 15, 2013 11:22am
dime

“I am not interested in Libertarians, They’re Progressives by any other name. Ignorant of history Johnny come lately losers. They should fuck off and join the Democrats. Or Labour here in NZ. EOS.”

heh fair enough.
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October 15, 2013 11:25am
Redbaiter

Tom, doesn’t it strike you as somewhat incongruous that a brain damaged communist watch tower guard like yourself comes on here and lectures people about Conservatism? Like Joe Stalin lecturing Ronald Reagan on liberty. What the fuck would Stalin Know? What the fuck would Tom Jackson know?

Go way you boring presumptuous little man.
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October 15, 2013 11:25am
dime

“Why am I sure that your “help” for gays will include compulsory re-education camps?”

coming from a communist. one can just imagine the re-education camps you would come up with.

actually, ill just google north korea, that should give me an idea.
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October 15, 2013 11:26am
Tom Jackson

Tom, doesn’t it strike you as somewhat incongruous that a brain damaged communist watch tower guard like yourself comes on here and lectures people about Conservatism?

Yes. The intellectual vacuum at the heart of contemporary conservative thought is most worrying.
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October 15, 2013 11:28am
dime

This Tom guy seems as damaged as fuck.

Im wondering if it was really his choice to “work part time”.

It seems he isnt getting his fill and comes here to act superior. He must be missing the class room.
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October 15, 2013 11:28am
Tom Jackson

coming from a communist. one can just imagine the re-education camps you would come up with.

You don’t have to worry Dime. We can’t send you to those camps anyway as you have to actually be educated before you can be re-educated.
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October 15, 2013 11:29am
mikenmild

I should be interested if Reddy were able to spell out, coherently and concisely, a conservative plan of action for New Zealand. I’m quite conservative myself, looking back to the 70s in many ways, so I’m genuinely interested in knowing what specific conservative action points are on Reddy’s agenda.
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October 15, 2013 11:29am
Redbaiter

Why don’t you ask Tom Jackson Milky, he knows all about it.
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October 15, 2013 11:30am
Tom Jackson

Im wondering if it was really his choice to “work part time”.

I’m currently bored at work. Luckily, nobody just barges into my office to see what I’m doing. I could be on the sauce for all they care.

What’s your excuse?
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October 15, 2013 11:30am
Weihana

dime (7,442) Says:
October 15th, 2013 at 11:16 am

Apparently, lots of young people want smaller govt.. both in the UK and the US..

This requires a bit of translation. For the young person small government most likely means “I want to take drugs” and “I’m young and health care isn’t something I need” and “I should be able to download pirated content”. 🙂
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October 15, 2013 11:33am
Tom Jackson

I should be interested if Reddy were able to spell out, coherently and concisely, a conservative plan of action for New Zealand.

Who wants to bet that it includes the reintroduction of flogging?
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October 15, 2013 11:33am
dime

Tom – LMAO!!!! insinuating i am uneducated! dude that is so cutting! Oh so deep!

and funny? dam! talk about originality!

Moron.

Im running a mutli-million dollar company. Something you arent capable of if you must know 😉
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