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Manolo

Fleeing Wellington: http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/hutt-valley/9264202/Award-winner-closing-Wellington-plant
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October 10, 2013 8:02am
wreck1080

Front headline of the independent…

“Alzheimer’s breakthrough: British scientists pave way for simple pill to cure disease”

I smell an over hyped story, but will give it a read.
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October 10, 2013 8:03am
Longknives

Some very good points-

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=11137645
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October 10, 2013 8:25am
Left Right and Centre

Does the cold make you run a lot faster? I don’t know… I’ll ask my genitalia when I can fucking find it.
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October 10, 2013 8:28am
Kea

LRC, you are not going to run faster by mincing around the water front, gayly prancing along with your wristbands. Hit the hills 😉
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October 10, 2013 8:30am
Longknives

I see Chopper Read has died..

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/mark-brandon-chopper-read-dies-at-age-58-from-liver-cancer-in-melbourne-20131009-2v8b9.html
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October 10, 2013 8:39am
Nookin

Longknives
I do not ordinarily agree with Rattue but he has this right on the button. Shame on NZRL and the selectors. I would rather lose the world cup with Harris playing than win it with SBW if winning it involves shitting on a young player like that and destroying team spirit because of the ego of one man and his manager.
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October 10, 2013 8:42am
nickb

Sure seems rough on Tohu Harris. Agree with you Nookin. I would be gutted if my place was taken by a mercenary.

In saying that, that is professional sport – but the blame can lay squarely on SBW for his flip flopping.
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October 10, 2013 8:50am
Left Right and Centre

More inane fluffy inane fluffy Stuffy meaningless online opinion polls

Would you prefer Auckland Council to mow berms or pay a living wage to its workers?

(1) Mow berms

(2) Pay living wage

Am I the only one looking at shit like that thinking what the hell is the point of that?
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October 10, 2013 8:52am
Kea

LRC, speaking of wages, when are you going to get a hair cut and a job, instead of running around Welly all day like Forrest Gump ?
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October 10, 2013 8:55am
Left Right and Centre

Take out a fluffy. Couldn’t get hyper link code to work in edit…. what the fuck people?? Killing off my fucking editing.
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October 10, 2013 8:56am
Pete George

A apt phrase used was S B Double U-turn. It’s shared blame on both SBW and on NZRL for pandering to to SBW’s whims.
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October 10, 2013 8:59am
hj

Blow that for a joke
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2450792/The-woman-lived-iron-lung-61-YEARS.html
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October 10, 2013 9:00am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – I’m unskilled shit that no worthwhile woman would touch whether on peanuts an hour or not.

What the fuck would you do if you were me, huh?
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October 10, 2013 9:01am
Kea

LRC, I thought you had studied bean counting ? I bet there is something you could do.
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October 10, 2013 9:05am
Left Right and Centre

Nude old women on Seven Sharp.

No.

Naked people fall into roughly three categories:

(1) Wow (0.3% of people)
(2) Ho hum (5-6% of people)
(3) Please, make it stop.
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October 10, 2013 9:06am
Pete George

A day is a long time on blogs.

Yesterday in General Debate lprent said:

Should be an interesting debate about the TPPA between Wayne Mapp and Jane Kelsey on opposite sides tonight in Auckland.

As far as I’m aware it s about the first time that one of the supporters of the TPPA has fronted up. Personally I suspect that Jane Kelsey will cream him.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/10/general_debate_9_october_2013.html#comment-1214475

He reported on the debate: http://thestandard.org.nz/tppa-kelsey-vs-mapp-debating/#comment-707373

And today he comments:

I liked that debate. Wayne was pretty clear on the how and why. Jane was as sharp as usual. Getting a much clearer view about why it is being pushed for and what the benefits are, and the downsides.

http://thestandard.org.nz/open-mike-10102013/#comment-707626

Doesn’t sound like a creaming.
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October 10, 2013 9:08am
Longknives

Pete George- It is worth noting that your beloved All Blacks pandered to Sonny Bill’s ‘Prima Donna’ behaviour and demands more than League ever has.
Just saying…
(Here comes the torrent of abuse!)
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October 10, 2013 9:16am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – that’s right – I passed Advanced Domestic Taxation after chickening out two years running. I am the fucking man. I even got a plus I didn’t need on the final course grade – C+!!

Damn near pissed myself and walked out question one final exam. Did some other ones, came back to it and smashed it. Fuck yeah. Walked out a shaken not stirred happy thankful winner.
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October 10, 2013 9:17am
Pete George

Longknives – yes they pandered, but SBW had to play within the rules, and they didn’t drop anyone from selection due to a last minute change of ‘heart’ by SBW.
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October 10, 2013 9:19am
Longknives

“but SBW had to play within the rules”

Like when he ditched his team for a few weeks to pursue his laughable boxing career?
Or how about when he claimed to be injured then went Skiing?

The way the NZRU,Crusaders and even the All Blacks pandered to this guy was nauseating. SBW has always made his own rules (in either code)
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October 10, 2013 9:25am
smttc

Jesus, Chris Rattue is on fire today.
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October 10, 2013 9:26am
Kea

LRC, so you have that. Plus you could study something else and re-train. But I reckon the only barrier is in your head. You are not lazy you are just quirky 😉
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October 10, 2013 9:27am
Longknives

LRC- I hear you like to dance. Perhaps you could sell your services and ‘Dance’ for lonely women?
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October 10, 2013 9:29am
Redbaiter

Six posts by LRC telling us all about LRC.

Warmly engaged by troll Kea.

GD becomes a Narcissist’s Chat Room.

Waste of time.
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October 10, 2013 9:35am
Judith

@ Kea

Good to see you doing your bit to raise the fitness of the ‘old farts’ by keeping their blood pressure going up and down. Now if you could just get them to do a few squats and some planking, our health budget might drop a tad too. 😉
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October 10, 2013 9:36am
wikiriwhis business

These guys take over the roadway en masse, run through red lights, speed, operate their vehicles recklessly – and it’s been going on for well over a year.

The NYPD has done NOTHING.

Now it turns out that at least two off duty NYPD cops were part of the mayhem in which the driver of an SUV was dragged from his car and beaten in front of his wife and infant child.

Not in this video is the new revelation that one of the cops personally attacked the car.

By the way, the nonsense “we can’t do anything about it” is totally baloney.

1. They could have ON DUTY undercover cops in the group with cameras on their helmets capturing license plates. They do that to innocent drivers who are operating legally all the time. Run the plates and charge them with everything possible.

2. They could use one of those expensive helicopters they have and follow the group and have squad cars pick off individual riders as they break off from the group and charge them.

The NYPD never has a problem beating and gassing entirely non-violent people exercising their First Amendment rights, but somehow they can’t get a grip on these people?

Ridiculous.

But by all means, make the NYPD’s Ray Kelly head of Homeland Security. He’s obviously a winner – at spewing the party line, wasting billions of dollars, being grossly incompetent and taking credit for things he had nothing to do with. He’ll do well in Washington abusing the rights of citizens. – See more at: http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/law-enforcement-corruption–abuse-1/off-duty-nyc-cops-part-of-assault.html#sthash.0mMPEAPp.dpuf
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October 10, 2013 9:38am
Judith

Left Right and Centre (1,731) Says:
October 10th, 2013 at 9:06 am
…(3) Please, make it stop.

My son has a similar theory. He believes most people end up having sex because the sight of two naked bodies is so bad, each attempts to cover the other. Apparently there is no lust involved, it is just an outcome of the attempt to disguise.
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October 10, 2013 9:39am
Reid

This is going to affect us:

http://www.livescience.com/40274-shutdown-cancels-antarctic-research.html
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October 10, 2013 9:41am
mikenmild

Reid
There was a good item on the Antarctic programme on Morning Report. There will be some effect on NZ’s programme, but most depends on how long the shutdown persists.
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October 10, 2013 9:42am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – re-train. That could be how it goes.

longknives – do you know how much fucking hard work it would take to even be proud to tentatively refer to yourself as being of mediocre dance ability? If you ever want your weight to drop third world famine style…. start working on your moves. I had to eat extra lest I waste away. There’s a fucked up good problem. I think you’d have the classic stripper physique more than me man. I can work it though – no problem there.
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October 10, 2013 9:43am
Left Right and Centre

You could start your own ‘worthwhile’ GD on Trueblue Russ.
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October 10, 2013 9:47am
Kea

Judith, none of us have to end up like Red. Healthy body healthy mind and the saving to the tax payer are huge. Just imagine what it costs to “manage” Red’s failing mental and physical health !
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October 10, 2013 9:47am
mikenmild

LRC
You could start your own blog about your fitness efforts and your search for employment. Just an idea though, I have no objection to your chatty comments.
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October 10, 2013 9:48am
Longknives

“I can work it though – no problem there.”

A cold shudder just ran down my spine…
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October 10, 2013 9:48am
Left Right and Centre

hahahahaha…… sounds like your son Judith. What are the rest of his theories?
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October 10, 2013 9:50am
dime

Dime backs the NZRL.

Dime has been surveying sports fans/ buddies. Everyone thinks SBW should go.

Ive noticed on facebook/twitter/talkback that the majority think he should go and the majority of people that dont think he should go are the same people who hate him for everything he does.

classic opinion “nah he shouldnt go, i feel sorry for that bloke. sbw has always been a cunt. he walks out on everyone” blah blah

the reality is, he took the place of a kid whos played one year in the NRL. the chances of him getting game time against anyone other than PNG were sweet fuck all.
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October 10, 2013 9:51am
dime

LR&C – you werent around last week when Dime spoke of his undying love for yoga (ive done 6 workouts). ever try it?

its fucking great. i feel like im an inch taller
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October 10, 2013 9:52am
jasonh

Good to see a news article where the justice system worked, the outcomes for all were appropriate and the whole process made sense

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9265566/Naked-panty-thief-shocks-punters
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October 10, 2013 9:54am
Left Right and Centre

haha… I didn’t start the ’employment’ topic conversation. That was all iKea. And one little ‘slice of life’ one liner about running.
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October 10, 2013 9:55am
Kea

dime, due to the fact I am not a menopausal woman, or gay, I do not do yoga. However I have been doing stretches as part of learning Pistol Squats and the difference is very noticeable.

If everybody got off their arse and improved their health it would save the country billions in health costs and increase productivity. Since getting fitter I am noticeably more productive at work and at play.
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October 10, 2013 9:56am
Left Right and Centre

You would get an inch taller hanging out with some of the sheilas that can pull off those stunts.

Ever try doing pull-ups endlessly like a special needs retard? It’s like a modern day rack.

I gained about three inches in perceived height by losing two inches off each side… 🙂
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October 10, 2013 10:00am
Kea

LRC, don’t listen to Red. He is happy to talk about employment and health, just as long as it is slagging off other people and is negative, but with no point or helpful suggestions.
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October 10, 2013 10:03am
Left Right and Centre

I’m waiting for the living wage to come in. Then I’m going to have one finger up my jacksie and give everyone else the other one while creaming it on $18.40 an hour. 🙂
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October 10, 2013 10:04am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – Who’s Red?
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October 10, 2013 10:11am
Kea

LRC, Red is general term used to describe an angry, yet pointless, little creature who attempts to construct sentences out of three words: troll, commie, prog.

A Red has only a rudimentary brain and no empathy with other life forms.

The are currently listed as critically endangered.
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October 10, 2013 10:22am
Carlos

@dime

And you haven’t started worshipping cows and Hindu Sun Gods yet? 😉
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October 10, 2013 10:39am
dime

carlos – i may have. dont tell lucia 😛
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October 10, 2013 10:50am
mikenmild

IIRC Lucia believes that merely by doing yoga poses you are worshipping the devil. Lucia prefers to kneel in front of a man and have him place somethng in her mouth – that’s her idea of a good time!
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October 10, 2013 10:55am
Kea

Lucy has to battle sinful desires more than most of us. It is a full time job for her keeping herself in check.
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October 10, 2013 10:58am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – my new Freeview remote has got a prog button. What happens if I push that? 🙂 🙂
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October 10, 2013 11:11am
dime

mike – that was actually funny 🙂

Dime doesnt mind lucia. I disagree with some of her beliefs, but shes not a mean old fucker like andrei and a couple of others
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October 10, 2013 11:14am
Kea

Lucy is intelligent, sexy and a bit nutty. I think she would be good company in real life.

LRC, does it have a “troll” button too ?
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October 10, 2013 11:22am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – No – but strangely it’s got ‘commie pig-fucker’. I think I might have been recommended the wrong model.
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October 10, 2013 11:26am
Carlos

Did you see this story about this poor bastard trying to get feral tenants out of his house?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9264289/Tenants-from-hell-evicted-after-6-month-battle
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October 10, 2013 11:30am
Left Right and Centre

dime – things I’m defintely not thinking:

~~if Lucy had been around at Salem, she would’ve made the Holocaust look like a hunting accident.~~
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October 10, 2013 11:30am
Kea

LRC, I reckon Red might be a simple computer program that automatically responds to certain key words. It is clearly not a very sophisticated program as evidenced by the limited responces in can generate.
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October 10, 2013 11:30am
Left Right and Centre

Carlos – if you were that landlord, do you think you would have sniffed lowlife before saying yes? You wonder if references were asked for etc. What can you do under the current system? I’d want to see where they were staying, what they do in life etc. Ask for a ministry of justice criminal history release. They need a tenancy CV. One thing that’s hard to cover-up is sounding like a lowlife koiwi hillbilly. You’d want to try and be very picky. There’s no 100% guarentee but still.

I remember Renters or something and a woman saying you can get an idea of what they’re like by looking at the state of their car interior. If there’s shit everywhere – not a good sign.
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October 10, 2013 11:39am
Dennis Horne

There was an old troll called Reddy
Who followed the bloggers at the ready
They would start
He would fart
So was unable to hold his fire steady.
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October 10, 2013 11:41am
Left Right and Centre

iKea – sent back in time from the future to destroy morale of human race so the machines can take over. Skynet has become self-aware and showing off. Wasting people… pffff…. too easy.

The machines are reading all our gobshite. It’s all being carefully noted for the uprising.
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October 10, 2013 11:44am
mikenmild

There no fool quite like a troll
Who thinks he’s really quite droll
But trolls are fair game
To ignore or to blame
When GD is lacking in lol
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October 10, 2013 11:50am
Kea

“has become self-aware ”

LRC, well that rules out Red 🙂
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October 10, 2013 11:52am
Don the Kiwi

Shit Dennis.

Your sense of rhythm and rhyme is pathetic.
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October 10, 2013 11:57am
Dennis Horne

@Don the Kiwi. Have faith my son and try to do better.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limerick_(poetry)

A limerick is a short, humorous, often ribald or nonsense poem, especially one in five-line anapestic meter with a strict rhyme scheme (AABBA), which is sometimes obscene with humorous intent.

The limerick packs laughs anatomical
Into space that is quite economical.
But the good ones I’ve seen
So seldom are clean
And the clean ones so seldom are comical.
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October 10, 2013 12:08pm
mikenmild

Could I try a ballad instead for Don?

The foul trolls came upon the thread
Their modesty was slim
With nowt to add or to debate
Their wits indeed were dim
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October 10, 2013 12:19pm
Kea

milky, get a girlfriend.
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October 10, 2013 12:24pm
wikiriwhis business

The Bricso vs. the US Dollar: What will Happen to the Global Economy if BRICS Announce Launch of New Currency?

Imagine – it is December 31, 2013. The Presidents of the BRICS (Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa) plus Iran and Venezuela call an impromptu press conference – in Paris – to present a ‘Sea of Change in Economics,’ as they call it. The announcement was circulated throughout the international media and diplomatic offices and embassies just a day before – an indication of urgency. Despite it being the last day of the year with most people thinking of their year-end festivities, the event calls the attention of many – especially the world of finance – and of course the media. The press meeting is planned for 18:00 at the Dolce Chantilly, in Chantilly, just 40 minutes from the center of Paris.

The seven presidents, accompanied by their Ministers of Finance, are seated in a half-moon panel in front of about 500 journalists from all over the world. The Chinese President and General Secretary of the Communist Party, Mr. Xi Jinping, opens the conference without fanfare, introducing the subject as an event that may have worldwide repercussions.

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2013/10/the-bricso-vs-the-us-dollar-what-will-happen-to-the-global-economy-if-brics-announce-launch-of-new-currency-2788788.html?currentSplittedPage=0
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October 10, 2013 12:25pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old deacon called Don
Whose mind the spirits had won
He didn’t want to die
So he did ply
Gobbledygook smoke and mirrors by the tonne.
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October 10, 2013 12:29pm
Manolo

More hope and change from the most corrupt U.S. administration ever: http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/09/white-house-irs-exchanged-confidential-taxpayer-info/
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October 10, 2013 12:40pm
mikenmild

‘Most corrupt’ is a high standard to claim. What about the Grant or Harding administrations?
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October 10, 2013 12:42pm
RRM

Environment Court Judge: Expecting your commercial property to actually make a return on investment is an “excessively rigid handicap”…

In a written decision released today, Judge Craig Thompson said the building had high heritage values and, while it had significant seismic issues, demolition should only be considered when there were no reasonable alternatives.

While the building could not support itself financially, let alone make an acceptable return for its owners, that did not justify demolition.

The court said it was not satisfied that other uses for the building had been explored fully other than with a handicap imposed by a rigidly-set financial bottom line demanded for the land and building.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/9253007/Ruling-on-Harcourts-building-demolition-plea

Jesus wept. It’s a commercial building.

C-O-M-M-E-R-C-I-A-L.

That means the reason it exists is to make money.

The judge seems to think Mr Dunajtschik is obliged to provide a pleasant olde-worlde backdrop for Lambton Quay pedestrians and McDonalds’ diners, for free, no matter what his own costs to do that might be.
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October 10, 2013 12:49pm
mikenmild

RRM
I think the judge was aiming more at the owner’s failure to consider anything other than his preferred plan for the site. In other words, it might not be an either/or choice between knocking it down and preserving it as is.
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October 10, 2013 12:55pm
Kea

RRM, One thing this country needs to get rid of is its unhealthy obsession with architectural necrophilia. I will never forget those idiots crying out for old death traps to be protected after the first Christchurch quake. Many went on to kill people in the second quake. All because some people liked to look at them as they walked by ! Very selfish.

There should be no protection on historic buildings. You own it, you do what you like with it.
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October 10, 2013 12:56pm
mikenmild

Interesting article here from a former Teach for America volunteer. Just possibly, American models for education ‘reform’ don’t offer much for New Zealand to emulate:
http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2013/10/teach_for_america_recommendations_i_stopped_writing_them_and_my_colleague.2.html
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October 10, 2013 1:13pm
graham

So Penny Bright blustered on in to GD yesterday and – typically – attempted to smear one of her rival mayoral candidates John Palino.

(Who I imagine is quaking in his boots … yeah, nah)

She got handed her ass on a plate – typically – by nickb.

I decided to step in (glutton for punishment I guess) and asked her, as I have FOR MONTHS, whether she – as someone who has run for mayor previously, and stood for other offices – would agree to sign up to her proposed “code of conduct” that she asked John Palino whether he would support. I thought this was fair enough, that if Penny proposes a code of conduct for others, surely she should be willing to sign up to it herself.

I was also interested to know what she would anticipate such a code of conduct might look like. Do you think someone who makes a complete spectacle of herself at demonstrations, commits acts of vandalism, and refuses to pay her rates, might be guilty of breaching such a code of conduct? (Completely fictitious example, natch).

Funnily enough, mayoral candidate Penny Bright, who campaigns on “transparency” and “openness”, is unwilling to be open and transparent on this issue. I have posed this question for months, and she has NEVER answered.

Can we trust someone who refuses to answer such a simple question to run Auckland City? How “transparent” and “open” is she, really?
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October 10, 2013 1:25pm
KevinH

Penny not so Bright would be the type of person to count paper clips in the office stationery room and demand co signed requisitions for toilet paper. At the latest poll she has 2% support which is variable + / – 5% which means her mum and sister have voted for her so far.
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October 10, 2013 1:51pm
stigie

Shit Graham, that is too much of a demand to put on poor Penny, but i agree, she needs to come clean,

after throwing all her unwanted crap over DPFs blog !!
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October 10, 2013 1:55pm
Don the Kiwi

Dennis.

Your 12.08 limerick was very good, so I suspect you copied it 😉

I know all about limericks – way back in school days I was considered to be among the best in my class.

mm.

Your rhyming skill in your mini ballad was also pathetice – what was it supposed to be – iambic pentameter ? 🙂
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October 10, 2013 1:56pm
Manolo

Giving this whinging bastard a bit of his own medicine: http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/films/news/leaked-julian-assanges-lovehate-letter-to-benedict-cumberbatch-8869869.html
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October 10, 2013 2:16pm
mikenmild

DTK
I’m so grateful to have a poetry tutor available for personalised criticism. Could you please rephrase your instructions in verse as an example for me to copy?
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October 10, 2013 2:39pm
Pete George

It’s official: North Island/Te-Ika-A-Maui and South Island/Te Waipounamu.

Use English, Maori or both, however you like.

I don’t have a problem with that, I think it’s appropriate. Neither versions were official until now.
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October 10, 2013 3:08pm
graham

Yeah, I know stigie, but isn’t it fair enough to ask Penny – who has proposed this “Code of Conduct”, and is asking John Palino if he would agree to it – if she would sign up to it herself?

I would have thought it was a simple enough question, with a simple enough answer, but apparently not.

Penny also takes Palino to task for stating that Auckland ratepayers deserve accountable, transparent and representative local government serving community needs, but allegedly not having a plan to achieve this. Well, in a similar vein, Penny talks about this “Code of Conduct” but I don’t believe she has ever clarified just what this “code” would entail. So I’ve asked her to clarify this. In fact I’ve asked her this question many times for months, and she has NEVER answered.

So obviously, the question has to be asked – can we trust someone who refuses to answer such simple questions to run Auckland City? How “transparent” and “open” is she, really?
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October 10, 2013 3:10pm
Don the Kiwi

mm.

Upon this blog, I sometimes write my gems –
All that the power of my mind can muster.
But on my wanderings I must place a stem,
For gems they are – but without jewels lustre.

Sorry, that’s all can offer just off the top of my head. 🙂
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October 10, 2013 3:10pm
Don the Kiwi

A sad old atheist named Dennis,
proclaimed religion a menace.
He yelled and perspired –
And then he expired.
Now he’s a plot for lawn tennis.
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October 10, 2013 3:12pm
mikenmild

Don the Kiwi oft did comment
Upon the standard of the verse
But asked to lift words from the torrent
Came up with something far, far worse
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October 10, 2013 3:13pm
stigie

Graham says:-
So obviously, the question has to be asked – can we trust someone who refuses to answer such simple questions to run Auckland City? How “transparent” and “open” is she, really?

I would like to know has she paid her rates yet ?
If not, perhaps she could come on here and tell us why not !!
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October 10, 2013 3:19pm
edhunter

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9267776/Islands-alternate-names-confirmed

So you can now use either the Maori names or the good old North & South Island which either you prefer… bollocks this will start with the MSM then Govt depts officially calling them by the Maori names, schools will start teaching them with only the Maori option. Pretty soon every bloody Anglo place name will be replaced by it’s ‘traditional’ name.
This wishy washy bullshit to please a vocal minority pisses me off no end & the constant rewriting of our history is nothing short of Orwellian.
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October 10, 2013 3:45pm
Don the Kiwi

mm.

3.13 pm.

A much better effort mikey – I’m pleased to have been able to help you lift your game. 😉
keep up the good work.
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October 10, 2013 3:50pm
mikenmild

Is choosing to call the South Island Te Wai Pounamu really Orwellian? Does anyone really want such boring names as North Island and South Island?
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October 10, 2013 3:50pm
Kea

It will not be a “choice” for long. This is the first step towards making it compulsory. It will start with the government service workers being forced to use the Maori names, just as they are now forced to give a Maori introduction as the Judge comes into a Court.

Written Maori is an invention of the colonists and has nothing to do with Maori. It is a European “Taonga”
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October 10, 2013 4:05pm
mikenmild

It’s irrelevant that Maori can be written using european orthography; it’s an acknowledgement of customary names. Are their many people left who still call Taranaki Mount Egmont and does anyone much care?
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October 10, 2013 4:10pm
edhunter

“Orwellian” is an adjective describing the situation, idea, or societal condition that George Orwell identified as being destructive to the welfare of a free and open society. It connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past.

So yes Mike just another ‘Brick in the Wall’ in our gradual slide into a socialist utopia.
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October 10, 2013 4:13pm
Kea

milky, why do you think it is up to YT to preserve Maori language ? Why do you think ownership of that should belong with YT and not with Maori themselves ? Do you think they are not capable of managing their own language and that you have duty of care to the darkies ?

I reckon that is what is behind it.
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October 10, 2013 4:15pm
mikenmild

ed
How is acknowledging the Maori name for the South Island propaganda, surveillance, misinformation, denial of truth or manipulation of the past? The name itself was noted by James Cook in 1769 BTW.
Kea
You seem to be assuming that I’m not Maori.
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October 10, 2013 4:18pm
Kea

Kea
You seem to be assuming that I’m not Maori.

Makes little difference. If you are Maori, then stop looking to YT to preserve your traditions and language.
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October 10, 2013 4:21pm
Pete George

It’s a slippery slope. Before we know it this blog will be prefixed with a Maori name.
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October 10, 2013 4:22pm
mikenmild

BTW Kea, how come you use that pseudonym and not Nestor notabilis?
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October 10, 2013 4:23pm
Dennis Horne

@Don the Kiwi.

Here lies dead Don the deacon
Whose grip on reality did weaken
The dreams he had
Were just as bad
And the glimmer of eternal life just a beacon.

PS. I didn’t write the mini ballad, it had another’s name on it, didn’t you notice? I gave the Wiki reference for the other Limerick, didn’t you notice? Your powers of observation seem limited. Not surprised you believe in magic.
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October 10, 2013 4:25pm
mikenmild

You could say that for a long time in New Zealand a dominant culture used its power to preserve its own language and traditions at the expense of indigeneous ones and that over the past thirty years there have been a few shifts back the other way. Do anyone fear for the loss of pakeha language and traditions?
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October 10, 2013 4:25pm
Kea

BTW Kea, how come you use that pseudonym and not Nestor notabilis?

milky, I have been called worse.

But you are avoiding the point. No one is being forced to call me Nestor notabilis (or prog, troll, commie, fuckwit etc 😉 )
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