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September 7, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 7 September 2013

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Lucia Maria

I have no idea what the “Pauline doctrine” is, but I do know that the biggest difference between the two is Islam’s denial of the Incarnation and all the consequences of that. And before Kea comes along to say that the Jews deny the same thing, the first Christians were Jewish.
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September 7, 2013 8:16pm
nasska

So long as it’s practised between consenting adults quietly & in private it couldn’t bother me less UT. 🙂
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September 7, 2013 8:20pm
Left Right and Centre

Through lack of choice I was listening to noddy read the sports news on One… he sounds like he’s just had his sack ripped out of his groin…. and they always come out with the most retarded useless shit that is utterly pointless and not worth anything to anyone… such as…. Hawkes Bay’s Shield tenure was the shortest in the history of the universe.

So. Fucking. What?

Yeah… and how many times has it been won and lost on the first challenge? More than once. It happened to the mugs the week before ffs. So… the shortest reign is one challenge… shared by quite a few teams, no? So… does it matter that the schedule dictated that it was six days in their case? Of course it fucking doesn’t. But noddy still has to tell you… meh meeh meh meh…. six days.. meh me me meh…. save me… fuckin hell….
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September 7, 2013 8:23pm
joana

For anyone interested , Robert Spencer’s website is ”jihad watch.”
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September 7, 2013 8:25pm
Steve (North Shore)

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11120971&ref=rss
So if there is no funding, then the socialist corksoakers can just fuck off. I hear Ports of Auckland aint that great so the AC Racing can go in at Ferguson. Just move POAL to Tauranga
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September 7, 2013 8:27pm
UglyTruth

Nasska, looks like Lucia Maria is up for debate, sorry there isn’t (as far as I know) a religion only thread on KB.

Lucia Maria, by Pauline doctrine I mean any doctrine that originated with Paul, especially vicarious sacrifice (the Christian and Islamic interpretations of the crucifixion are very different).

If by “the Incarnation” you mean the Catholic doctrine of the second person of the trinity, I’d argue that Pauline doctrine is a more important difference because in Christianity salvation is dependent upon belief in vicarious sacrifice.
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September 7, 2013 8:33pm
Left Right and Centre

UglyTruth 8:33 pm Whoever the fuck Lucia Maria is… they probably enjoy sex more when thinking about religious issues… seems to be the leading pre-occupation of their brief flicker of existence in this universe….
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September 7, 2013 8:39pm
UglyTruth

For anyone interested , Robert Spencer’s website is ”jihad watch.”

Here is his take on the the US adventure in imperialism in Iran:

Iran-backed militias in Iraq threaten attacks on Amerian interests if U.S. strikes Syria

Remember, these are the Shi’ites, the people we spent billions and paid in blood to bring to political power in Iraq.

Does anyone really believe that this guy is an objective source of information about Islam?
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September 7, 2013 8:42pm
UglyTruth

they probably enjoy sex more when thinking about religious issues

I guess that’s out of the question for atheists then.

Darwin!
Survival of the fittest!
Oh! Oh! Oh!
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September 7, 2013 8:46pm
kowtow

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LM is well able to stand up for herself but tell you what you’ve no manners.

Ugly Truth=ugly posts.
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September 7, 2013 8:47pm
UglyTruth

kowtow, looks like some people really don’t like being called on their bullshit.
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September 7, 2013 8:50pm
wiseowl

Anyone else get pissed off with the bloody continual interruption of the test with music AND war crys!!

Bad enough with Tony J as commentator
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September 7, 2013 9:04pm
Lucia Maria

Ugly,

Without the incarnation there would be no salvation and no “Pauline doctrine”.

Kowtow,

LRC is a disgusting man whom I try to ignore as much as possible.
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September 7, 2013 9:05pm
Aredhel777

Lucia Maria, by Pauline doctrine I mean any doctrine that originated with Paul, especially vicarious sacrifice (the Christian and Islamic interpretations of the crucifixion are very different).

“Muslim interpretations of the crucifixion”? Huh? Muslims literally don’t believe that the crucifixion occurred.
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September 7, 2013 9:12pm
UglyTruth

Muslims literally don’t believe that the crucifixion occurred.

They believe that somebody got crucified.

That they said (in boast), ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’ — but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not — nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself.

The Qur’an, Surah 4:157-158
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September 7, 2013 9:19pm
UglyTruth

Without the incarnation there would be no salvation and no “Pauline doctrine”.

Nope. Pauline doctrine existed before the idea of the trinity was developed.
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September 7, 2013 9:23pm
kowtow

UG is the bullshitter.
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September 7, 2013 9:24pm
UglyTruth

UG is the bullshitter.

Not today. Why don’t you post the relevant facts?
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September 7, 2013 9:37pm
Lucia Maria

Kowtow,

Yep.

Ugly,

Nope. Pauline doctrine existed before the idea of the trinity was developed.

Riiiight. You must be one of those whacky alternative history nuts.
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September 7, 2013 9:57pm
big bruv

“Riiiight. You must be one of those whacky alternative history nuts.”

Lol!…this from a religious bigot and anti science nutter who thinks the world is 6000 years old.
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September 7, 2013 10:18pm
thedavincimode

You must be one of those whacky alternative history nuts.

😕
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September 7, 2013 10:21pm
Lucia Maria

Wrong on all counts, Bruv.

Davinci, I like the real stuff rather than what people imagine history to be. Far more satisfying.
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September 7, 2013 10:31pm
big bruv

Lucia.

Are you telling me that you have tossed aside the lies, hypocrisy and deceit of the Catholic religion and all religious beliefs?

Or are you still the same person who thinks that those couples who seek IVF treatment are evil?
Or are you still the same person who thinks that AIDS is bad but condoms are worse?
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September 7, 2013 10:38pm
Pauleastbay

wiseowl (356) Says:

September 7th, 2013 at 9:04 pm
Anyone else get pissed off with the bloody continual interruption of the test with music AND war crys!!

Bad enough with Tony J as commentator

Johnson and Marshall, I looked for an alternate commentary but alas……so sound off Paul Weller on stereo, -there fixed it
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September 7, 2013 10:51pm
big bruv

Were the Ford,IAG,Addidas, rugby team playing tonight?…I had no idea.

I thought the Counties v Hawkes Bay game was a bloody ripper though.
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September 7, 2013 10:53pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Good to see you supporting the ABs by knowing all their sponsors big bruv. Good work.
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September 7, 2013 11:00pm
Hodor

LRC – don’t sweat it with the debit card. You can only spend what is in your account, it isn’t like a credit card where you can rack up debt.

Red – when you are on-topic you can be quite insightful, although I didn’t always agree with your POV. However when you descend into this abusive mud-slinging rant mode you comes across a seriously unhinged. Just relax, guy! Take it easy!
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September 7, 2013 11:04pm
big bruv

Nostalgia.

The who?
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September 7, 2013 11:04pm
Kea

I have no idea what the “Pauline doctrine” is, but I do know that the biggest difference between the two is Islam’s denial of the Incarnation and all the consequences of that. And before Kea comes along to say that the Jews deny the same thing, the first Christians were Jewish.

Poor Lucy has got herself in a bind here. The says the big difference is the denial of the incarnation. Which she admits the Jews deny. But she failed to mention the Jews do not even regard JC as a prophet, as the Muslims do. By her own reckoning the Jews are much further removed from Christianity than the Muslims. The fact the first Christians were Jews [she reckons] is totally irrelevant and she only threw that in there as a red herring. Very dishonest and she should be begging forgiveness tomorrow for that bullshit.

But lets us pick op on that statement for shits and giggles. The first Muslims were what Lucy ? Hindus, Taoists, Jews, or Christians ? [Hint, Jews, Muslims and Christians all pray to the same god and came from the same patch of dirt]. And where did the first Jew come from ? Did he suddenly pop up in a land full of bloody Arabs. [hint, look up what semitic actually means and see which of us is GASP “anti semitic]
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September 7, 2013 11:08pm
Lucia Maria

The first Muslims were pagans, Kea.

Bruv, I’ll leave you to figure it out.
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September 7, 2013 11:13pm
Nostalgia-NZ

big bruv

The who?

The guys who you know all the sponsors of, I bet you’ve got a secret stash of jerseys as well. It must be so much torture for you trying to pretend you’re not a fan, yet knowing all the sponsor’s details and being seen frequently seeking autographs from old Richie.
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September 7, 2013 11:16pm
Colville

Old Ritchie with the rooted knee?
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September 7, 2013 11:24pm
big bruv

It really does amaze me Nos that you simply cannot comprehend that a fellow Kiwi can detest the NZ rugby team.

The fact that they play in black says so much about this negative, boring and backward nation.
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September 7, 2013 11:26pm
big bruv

Lucia.

No need, every time you post one of your anti science, hate filled rants you paint a perfect picture of just how evil you are and just how nasty your stupid middle eastern superstition is.
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September 7, 2013 11:28pm
Nostalgia-NZ

It’s not looking the best, but the team have already prepared to move on.
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September 7, 2013 11:31pm
Kea

The first Muslims were pagans, Kea.

Waaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha 🙂 🙂 🙂

What an absurd thing to say. You are beyond hope Lucy.

So what were the first Jews ? Did they believe in god before they believed in god ? How were there Muslim pagans when to be a Muslim you must submit to god ? The very same god of the Jews and Christians.

Your cult was invented by the very people you detest. It came from the Arab lands and was imposed on the West by their Roman masters. It could equally have been any other cult of the day they imposed. Sadly we got stuck with one of the darkest and most ignorant of all. The lies you tell yourself must rot your mind and erode your self respect. It is incredible the filth that pours from your mouth as you deny reason and commons sense to defend your cult and that of the jews.
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September 7, 2013 11:57pm
Left Right and Centre

kowtow 8:47 pm You’re dead right. No manners for boring twats that spew endlessly on and on and on and fucking on about religious fucking bullshit. All of the LM posts are that of a god-licking freakathon.

Hodor 11:04 pm ah yeah.. well, it says Visa on the card. So… I’ve been brainwashed to associate ‘Visa’ with ‘credit card’. They spent a lot of money making sure I will never forget that.

The walking fucking braindead. Fucking braindead brainwashed religious zombie fucktards. Start a blog on religion… and shit all over that with bullshit from your south mouth…. far out….

They’re just spammers… trying to infect any fuckwit that will pay them attention with their mental illness. They’re salespeople. They just want to make you one of them. That’s all they really give a shit about. They want to make a sale. It’s just all spam advertising. In the guise of xyz. Oh… ‘debating’ religion. It’s masturbatory evangelism. Not fucking fooling anyone for a second.
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September 8, 2013 12:10am
SPC

Kea, the original Arab lands did not include Canaan.

The Arabs were southern Semites from Arabia.

Just because Egyptians and Berbers of North Africa came to speak Arabic does not make them original Arab lands any more than Canaan, Phoenicia, Syria or Mesopotamia where the people also came to speak Arabic and adopt a religion from Arabia – Islam.

That would be as silly as claiming that America was originally English or Spanish Christian.
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September 8, 2013 12:15am
Left Right and Centre

http://nzconservative.blogspot.co.nz/p/about-nzc.html

I’m not even going to bother coding it. CUNTS. FUCKHEADS. DIPSHITS. What a group of fucking total retards.

Fucked in the head god-licking arseholes.

God save me from your arserimming cuntarse fuckwit followers. Je-SUS fucking CHRIST on a bike ALMIGHTY!!!!!!
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September 8, 2013 12:16am
SPC

Left, Right and Centre, the same criticism can be made of all political discussion.
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September 8, 2013 12:17am
Kea

LRC, I thought you would be out prancing around the waterfront.

Check these off road shoes out. Who’s the man now Welly boy [hint: kea]

http://www.wiggle.com/saucony-kinvara-tr-2-shoes-aw13/
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September 8, 2013 12:18am
Kea

Wristband Creator

http://www.runnersworld.com/tools/pace-wristband-creator

I crack myself up 😉
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September 8, 2013 12:19am
Left Right and Centre

Kea 12:18 am I’m up to date after today…. 10@43’38”, 5@24’24” and 5@23’33”

Weight is golden. In fact, I put away a fair bit of chocolate caramel slice and was still under target weight. It’s weird to not have the weight gain followed by working ya nads off to get back down. Weird. But good. But weird. But good.

I prayed to god asking if he could by any means possible help remove the weight of the chocolate caramel slice…. and so after I fell asleep it started farting fruitfully out of my backside for eight hours straight. Or maybe that just a dream I had.

Yeah – your shoes look like my whole year’s footwear budget. I keep praying for shoes but nothing happens. I did get a shoe up my arse after that. Close – not *quite* what I had in mind.
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September 8, 2013 12:28am
Left Right and Centre

SPC 12:17 am Cuzzie – please, be as clever as you can be. About anything except fairytales and supernatural superstitious make believe nonsense. Is ok? Is ok. Alright? It’s alright. Ok? yah, ok. Yah, ok? Ok.
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September 8, 2013 12:32am
SPC

L, R and C. – when will the tooth fairy arrive with trickle down gain for the many derived from increasing the share of total wealth into the hands of the few?
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September 8, 2013 12:36am
Kea

“Yeah – your shoes look like my whole year’s footwear budget.”

No way. That price is Kiwi $ mate !
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September 8, 2013 12:39am
Left Right and Centre

SPC 12:36 am I suppose wealth is relative. I’ve got food and shelter, running water, access to emergency medical attention, private transport, electricity. And I’ve even got luxuries like the internet and TV, radio… reading material and music. And a piano if I want to play it. And a relatively safe environment free from total lawlessness. I feel in some way fairly well-off.
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September 8, 2013 12:42am
Left Right and Centre

Kea 12:39 am haha….. I’ve spent much less than that in 2013. 2 850kms. Not bad eh?

I ran a marathon distance in a $9 pair of shoes from K Mart. I’ve still got them but they really are totally shit of course…. so… I should throw them out. I just kept on using my worn out Spalding shoes I got from No1 Shoe Warehouse last year buy two get one free. They’re totally fucked but they’ve reached the point where they can’t get any worse…. sweet!! I just run to avoid the really munted bits with my foot placement.
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September 8, 2013 12:49am
Left Right and Centre

Sweet dreams all of you darling little KB commenters. Even the fucked-as god freaks – daddy lrc loves you all just like skydaddy does. Nighty night my little angels….
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September 8, 2013 1:02am
UglyTruth

Riiiight. You must be one of those whacky alternative history nuts.

Tell you what. How about you come up with some actual scholarship before you start with the abuse, Lucia Maria.

This supplementary document discusses the history of trinitarian dotrines. Although early Christian theologians speculated in many ways on the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no one clearly and fully asserted the doctrine of the Trinity as explained at the top of the main entry until around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/trinity/trinity-history.html

The point is that Paul was the cause of the schism between the Christians and the Ebionites, with Islam developing from the Ebionite fork. The disciples in Turkey who were the target audience of the message of the Book of Revelation were of the group who had rejected Paul, they were not Christians.
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