General Debate 3 September 2013

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Carlos

Why are so many NZ voters so stupid?

We all know that:
If an individual spends more than he makes, it is bad.
If a family spend more than they make, it is bad.
If a company spends more than it makes, it is bad.

But if a country spends more than it makes, then that’s okay?

Come on. Surely anyone can see that voting for governments who spend more on behalf of the country than it makes is bad.
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September 3, 2013 8:07am
hj

The “Buffoon Morgan” calls North Korea a “beat up”

Having passed successfully through the demilitarised zone Gareth explains to the world’s media why the West’s “beat-up” view of North Korea is completely wrong.

Gareth and Jo and their group were free to set their own route through North Korea, witnessing at first hand the lives of ordinary North Koreans.

What they found surprised them – a people who were poor, yes, but wonderfully engaged, well-dressed, fully employed and well informed. In Gareth’s view, what North Korea has achieved economically despite its lack of access to international money has been magnificent.
http://worldbybike.com/2013/09/02/gareth-combats-global-media-frenzy/

He and Jo support active steps towards providing greater opportunities for ordinary Koreans from North and South to interact together – a goal of leaders from both North and South Korea. Hopefully, with enormous interest from the world media, this trip will be the catalyst for such a change.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/an-new-zealand-motorcyclists-ride-across-dmz-in-rare-north-sout/4923918
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September 3, 2013 8:10am
Ian McK

I took great exception to again hearing Soper, the left-wing loser, getting his irresponsible points of view across on radio. Wasn’t this twerp “The Dyke’s” demonstrating partner when spitting on Vietnam Vets was the norm?
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September 3, 2013 8:13am
Ashley Schaeffer

EDIT: will read the rest of your post HJ before commenting.
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September 3, 2013 8:14am
hj

North Korea might be a beat-up like the Truman Show?
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September 3, 2013 8:16am
Judith

******* It’s Blue September ********

For those of you with a penis – I would like to remind you that it doesn’t matter how young you are, or how much activity your equipment gets – do not ignore it as you would your wife/girlfriend or even me. 🙂

******* IT IS TIME FOR YOU PROSTRATE CHECK *******

If you can’t do it for yourself, do it for someone that loves you !
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September 3, 2013 8:17am
Griff

Thank you Judith for reminding us about the annual finger up the bum.
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September 3, 2013 8:19am
Ashley Schaeffer

The “Buffoon Morgan” calls North Korea a “beat up”

Morgan should do us all a favour and emigrate to NK. In time, he would find that they have bigger problems there than a few cats.
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September 3, 2013 8:22am
nasska

….”If you can’t do it for yourself, do it for someone that loves you !”…..

Conservonutters do it for fun! 🙂
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September 3, 2013 8:22am
kowtow

A piece on Miley Syphilus.

http://www.irishtimes.com/cyrus-twerking-reflects-abusive-society-1.1512498
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September 3, 2013 8:22am
Carlos

I know friends overseas in Spain and the UK who get prostate checks, but apparently it’s no longer done with the finger up the backside check. It’s done by some other method testing for PSAs. Anyone know more about this? Is the finger method being replaced?
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September 3, 2013 8:23am
Kea

I wonder if Morgan will come out in defense of Nazi Germany. After all, the German Socialist Party promised the same sorts of things to the German people that Morgan advocates and he is clearly a fan of socialist one party states.

Until recently the evil capitalist empire of the USA was sending food aid to the poor bastards in NK. Morgan needs to wake up. Having said that, the best way to bring about change is with this approach, as opposed to war. The cold war ended without a shot fired and places like China are now trading partners. Compare that to Vietnam or the current cluster-fuck of Afghanistan. Korea can be reunited peacefully and that should be the goal. Find common ground and build on it. It is proven to work. War does not work.
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September 3, 2013 8:24am
Kea

apparently it’s no longer done with the finger up the backside check.

I am waiting for Red to come along and blame the cowardly-prog-fuckwits for that. He enjoys his weekly check ups, as do all good god fearing conservatives. 🙂
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September 3, 2013 8:27am
Judith

This link is to a pdf that provides all the information about the new ‘less invasive’ tests.

http://www.health.govt.nz/system/…/prostate_cancer_consumer_resource2.pdf‎
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September 3, 2013 8:28am
Judith

@ Griff

My Pleasure Griff! 😛

(actually I lost someone I loved and respected very much to prostrate cancer – so Blue September is a campaign that has meaning for me)
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September 3, 2013 8:31am
Ed Snack

Oh dear Judith, next time I’m “prostrate” (sic), I’ll remember to get checked.
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September 3, 2013 8:32am
Judith

@ Ed Snack

Sorry about the spelling error – spelling never was my best feature – and unless spell check picks it up, I’m lost!

However, hopefully the message will still get through, because it is an important one….
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September 3, 2013 8:34am
Ashley Schaeffer

Is the finger method being replaced?

I do hope so. Haven’t had one yet. Don’t particularly want one. But I’m rapidly approaching the age where it becomes necessary. Come on Science, don’t let me down!
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September 3, 2013 8:36am
Griff

Blood test
Ask your doctor to included it in your next wof if he doesn’t already.
Link (Judiths is kaput)
http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/diagnosis-and-management-prostate-cancer-new-zealand-men-recommendations-prostate-cancer-taskforce
The commonly used prostate specific antigen (PSA) blood test detects both cancer and non-cancerous conditions.
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September 3, 2013 8:39am
Elaycee

Judith…. I deleted my comment when I saw the typo had been addressed.

But a whip????? 😯
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September 3, 2013 8:42am
Yvette

Carlos – PSA is one item that can be measured in a blood test. Apparently a number about 5 alerts futher attention, like a biopsy to find actual evidence of cancer, which is often then monitored by three monthly blood tests. If the PSA result is over 8 for two consecutive tests an operation is advised to remove the prostate. A result of 12 can indicate the cancer is likely to have spread beyond the prostate. Numbers may vary considerably – a friend had his cancer spread beyond the prostate at 9.7.
Start with the blood test.
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September 3, 2013 8:46am
Judith

@ Griff

Sorry, it was an old link, I’m not having a good morning! This link will take you to the page where the pdf is available (top right hand corner)

It explains the tests available.

http://www.health.govt.nz/publication/testing-prostate-cancer
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September 3, 2013 8:47am
eszett

Gareth and Jo and their group were free to set their own route through North Korea, witnessing at first hand the lives of ordinary North Koreans.

Well, they know how to deal with annoying ex-girlfriends in North Korea:

http://english.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2013/08/29/2013082901412.html
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September 3, 2013 8:47am
Carlos

Thanks Griff and Yvette. My father had his prostate removed a couple of years ago in his early 70s. I’ll get my first check when I’m 40 to be on the safe side.
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September 3, 2013 8:50am
flipper

The DominionPost this morning does an admirable job cutting The Three Mousketeers down to size.
The editorial is a must read for dummies like rossie69 and his fellow travellers.
It is read and learn time dummies.
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September 3, 2013 9:00am
Ed Snack

The PSA test is useful but of limited reliability, unless there is another reason to test it is probably not worth carrying out until one reaches an age where the risk becomes higher. It is not a replacement for a physical checkup.

And there are other prostate problems besides cancer that are bothersome, a benign but enlarged prostate can be a right nuisance…
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September 3, 2013 9:03am
kowtow

The Three Mouseketeers?

More like the fucken Three Stooges!
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September 3, 2013 9:14am
SGA

Ashley Schaeffer at 8:36 am

Is the finger method being replaced?

I do hope so. Haven’t had one yet. Don’t particularly want one. But I’m rapidly approaching the age where it becomes necessary. Come on Science, don’t let me down!

As medical examinations go, it’s not a big deal. Really.
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September 3, 2013 9:15am
Liberty

Labours Sham election
Has anyone considered the logistics of Labours claytons election.
20% for the unions(owners) 40% for the MPs. And 40% for Our people
And over seen by a selection committee ( Central committee)
There is a lot of unanswered Questions?
Who gets a vote in the union faction? Committee members or Union Members
Do Labour party members who are also Union Member get two votes.
Will the labour track down all its membership. (Which can’t be that difficult as the old and infirm and normally in rest homes) to give them a vote.
Or just give the vote to a select few who turn up at the hall meetings?
Who is on the selection panel?
The reality is to meet the 20/40/40 the result has to be a bit dodgy.
At the end of the day the selection will be done by the Central Committee.
The election is nothing more than a publicity stunt.
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September 3, 2013 9:16am
muggins

I believe many men are put off having a prostate check because of the finger up the arse method.
I had that done about 20 years ago but for some unknown reason no doctor has ever done it since.
And I do have twice yearly health checks. And yearly blood tests.
I think the main thing is to watch out for the signs.
An ex workmate of mine was having to urinate about 12 times a day. I told him to have a prostate check, which he did.
Turned out he had an enlarged prostate but no sign of cancer.
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September 3, 2013 9:19am
PTM

In my experience the digital exam has proven to be unreliable. I passed those exams with 100% free. A series of PSA tests in tandem showed an entirely different story and was followed up with a biopsy (in terms of personal dignity the digital was a doddle, the biopsy was an entirely different story. Brings tears to your eyes!)
Failed that one. For you folks with dangly things between your legs, it pays to get both tests regularly. A moments loss of dignity costs way less than a coffin.
Cheers
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September 3, 2013 10:17am
dime

if i get a hooker to jam a finger in my ass, will that count as a check up?

Dime relies on the blood test.. but as i get older it will be the other kind 🙁

Apparently this is what happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdwGjOFy9g

in the mean time.. consume lots of fish oil.
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September 3, 2013 10:23am
MT_Tinman

hj (4,645) Says:
September 3rd, 2013 at 8:10 am
The “Buffoon Morgan” calls North Korea a “beat up”
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He and Jo support active steps towards providing greater opportunities for ordinary Koreans from North and South to interact together – a goal of leaders from both North and South Korea.

Both leaders appear to be actively pursuing their goal – most of us call it war.
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September 3, 2013 10:24am
publicwatchdog

Good moaning Kiwibloggers 🙂

Remember this?

RE: ASSET SALES: NO MAJORITY – NO MANDATE!

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

2 March 2013

“”There is NO mandate for asset sales – Peter Dunne and United Future never campaigned for asset sales,”
Penny Bright 2013 Auckland Mayoral Candidate.”

WHERE IS THE ‘MANDATE’ FOR ASSET SALES????

Yes – National did campaign for asset sales – albeit in a a not very ‘open and transparent’ way?

You will note that their 2011 pre-election policy did NOT say – “National supports asset sales”, or “National supports the Mixed Ownership Model for key state assets”.

http://www.national.org.nz/mixed-ownership.aspx

THIS is the arguably rather sly way that National wiggled in their stated asset sale policy – prior to the 2011 election:

http://www.national.org.nz/PDF_General/Future_Investment_Fund_policy.pdf

“Building savings and investment

National is increasing savings and creating jobs built on exports and productive investment.
We’re getting on top of debt, and returning to surplus sooner.
We will extend the successful mixed-ownership model – where the Government owns most of acompany, but offers a minority stake to investors – to four state-owned energy companies, and reduce the government’s stake in Air New Zealand.
This will give Kiwis a chance to invest in large New Zealand companies.”

The 2011 election results?

National got 59 out of 121 MPs.

The final vote on the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Act 2012, was 61 – 60

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Debates/Debates/e/8/e/50HansD_20120626_00000012-State-Owned-Enterprises-Amendment-Bill-Public.htm

A party vote was called for on the question, That the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill be now read a third time.

Ayes 61
New Zealand National 59; ACT New Zealand 1; United Future 1.

Noes 60
New Zealand Labour 34; Green Party 14; New Zealand First 8; Maori Party 3; Mana 1.
___________________________________________________________________

HOWEVER:

” UF (United Future) did not specifically campaign for the ‘mixed ownership model for the electricity companies and Air New Zealand’ because it was not UF (United Future)policy”

[ Pete George – [United Future Dunedin North 2011 candidate[ (16,292) Says: February 15th, 2013 at 10:28 pm]
http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/02/a_lie.html/comment-page-1#comment-1097573

In my considered opinion – the voting public of Ohariu were thus effectively misled by United Future and Peter Dunne on the issue of support for the ‘Mixed Ownership Model’ for State-Owned electricity assets and Air New Zealand.

In my considered opinion, United Future and Peter Dunne SOLD OUT the voting public of Ohariu by voting in support of the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership) Amendment Act 2012.

Had Peter Dunne kept faith with the voting public of Ohariu – the Public Finance (Mixed Ownership Model) Amendment Bill should have BEEN DEFEATED 60 – 61.

I thus believe that I am absolutely correct in my statement that THERE IS NO MANDATE FOR ASSET SALES – given that this minority National Government (which DID campaign on asset sales) has only 59 out of 121 MPs.

Do the maths folks!

It ISN’T complicated?

NO MAJORITY – NO MANDATE.

Penny Bright

‘Anti-corruption campaigner’
A Spokesperson for the ‘Switch Off Mercury Energy’ community group.
http://www.facebook.com/SwitchOffMercuryEnergy?fref=ts
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate.
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September 3, 2013 10:37am
muggins

dime (7,143) Says:

September 3rd, 2013 at 10:23 am
if i get a hooker to jam a finger in my ass, will that count as a check up?

dime,
I understood that hooker will only be trying to enlarge your whatsit, not find out if you have an enlarged prostate.
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September 3, 2013 10:49am
Ashley Schaeffer

Penny, you need to give the voting public of Ohariu a bit more credit. I think that they understand how MMP works a lot better than you appear to.
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September 3, 2013 10:54am
Fletch

Prophetic – from 93 years ago.

As democracy is perfected, the office of the President represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. On some great and glorious day, the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last and the White House will be occupied by a downright fool and complete narcissistic moron.

—H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
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September 3, 2013 11:10am
Fisiani

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/09/grant-lie-alf/#more-108947

Wow Grant Robertson caught out blatantly lying and displayed on 7 sharp via Whaleoil
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September 3, 2013 11:21am
Ian McK

Griff: I take it you will get penalised for mentioning F/f. It cost me 50, or do the leeching left get dispensation, same as they do when thieving off the right. Your comments are typical of Labour-indoctrinated filth.
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September 3, 2013 11:28am
Kea

A complete list of things caused by global warming

AIDS, Afghan poppies destroyed, African holocaust, aged deaths, poppies more potent, Africa devastated, Africa in conflict, African aid threatened, aggressive weeds, Air France crash, air pockets, air pressure changes, airport farewells virtual, airport malaria, Agulhas current, Alaskan towns slowly destroyed, Al Qaeda and Taliban Being Helped, allergy increase, allergy season longer, alligators in the Thames, Alps melting, Amazon a desert, American dream end, amphibians breeding earlier (or not), anaphylactic reactions to bee stings, ancient forests dramatically changed, animals head for the hills, animals shrink, Antarctic grass flourishes, Antarctic ice grows, Antarctic ice shrinks, Antarctic sea life at risk, anxiety treatment, algal blooms, archaeological sites threatened, Arctic bogs melt, Arctic in bloom, Arctic ice free, Arctic ice melt faster, Arctic lakes disappear, Arctic tundra lost, Arctic warming (not), a rose by any other name smells of nothing, asteroid strike risk, 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accidents, roads wear out, robins rampant, rocky peaks crack apart, roof of the world a desert, rooftop bars, Ross river disease, Russia under pressure, salinity reduction, salinity increase, Salmonella, salmon stronger, sardine run unpredictable, satellites accelerate, Schmallenberg virus, school closures, sea level rise, sea level rise faster, sea snot, seals mating more, seismic activity, sewer bills rise, severe thunderstorms, sex change, sexual dysfunction, sexual promiscuity, shark attacks, sharks booming, sharks hybridise, sharks moving north, sheep change colour, sheep shrink, shop closures, short-nosed dogs endangered, shrimp sex problems, shrinking ponds, shrinking sheep, shrinking shrine, Sidney Opera House wiped out, ski resorts threatened, slavery, skinks impacted, slow death, smaller brains, smog, snowfall decrease, snowfall increase, snowfall heavy, snow thicker, soaring food prices, societal collapse, soil change, soil subsidence, songbirds change eating habits, sour grapes, soybean crop to drop, space junk increase, space problem, spectacular orchids, spider danger in UK, spider bites to increase, spiders getting bigger, spiders invade Scotland, squid aggressive giants, squid larger, squid population explosion, squid tamed, squirrels reproduce earlier, starfish sperm eaten by parasites, stingray invasion, storm damage costs rise, storms wetter, stratospheric cooling, street crime to increase, subsidence, suicide, sunset displaced, swordfish in the Baltic, Tabasco tragedy, taxes, tea flavour change, tectonic plate movement, teenage prostitution, terrorists (India), thatched cottages at risk, threat to peace, ticks move northward (Sweden), tides rise, tigers eat people, tigers drown, tomatoes rot, tornado outbreak, tourism increase, toxic bacteria, toxic seaweed, trade barriers, trade winds weakened, traffic jams, transport snarl, transportation threatened, tree foliage increase (UK), tree growth slowed, tree growth faster, trees grow too fast, trees in trouble, trees less colourful, trees more colourful, trees lush, trees on Antarctica, treelines change, tropics expansion, tropopause raised, truffle shortage, truffles down, truffles increase, turtles crash, turtle feminised, turtles lay earlier, UFO sightings, UK coastal impact, UK Katrina, vampire bats, Venice flooded, volcanic eruptions, volcanoes awakened in Iceland, walnuts threatened, walrus pups orphaned, walrus stampede, walruses come ashore, wars over water, wars sparked, wars threaten billions, wasps, water bills double, water shortage to increase vegetarianism, wave of natural disasters, waves bigger, weather out of its mind, weather patterns awry, weather patterns last longer, Western aid cancelled out, West Nile fever, whale beachings, whales lose weight, whales move north, whales wiped out, wheat rust in Syria, wheat yields crushed in Australia, wild boars thrive, wildfires, wind shift, wind reduced, winds stronger, winds weaker, wine – Australian baked, , wine industry damage (California), wine industry disaster (US), wine – more English, wine – no more French , wine – England too hot, wine -German boon, wine passé (Napa), wine – Scotland best, wine stronger, winters in Britain colder, winter in Britain dead, witchcraft executions, wolverine decline, wolverines vanish, wolves eat more moose, wolves eat less, women cheat on vacation, workers laid off, World at war, World War 4, Yellow fever, zebra mussel threat, zoonotic diseases.

[links are provided for every claim here: http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/warmlist.htm%5D
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September 3, 2013 11:40am
Redbaiter

Can’t you and Grief just take it to email?

(GW is over)
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September 3, 2013 11:43am
Kea

The ones shouting “Allah Akbar” are the people Obama is supporting in their assault on secular Syria. Pick your side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzBTByr4qZs
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September 3, 2013 11:46am
Kea

Red, thank you for your interest in my post and for taking the time to comment on it. If you ever find you are not interested in a comment, here are some tips:

1. Don’t read it.

2. Scroll past it.

3. Don’t comment on it.

If you find this confusing, ask a grown up/sane person to help you. 🙂
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September 3, 2013 11:55am
wikiriwhis business

http://friendsofsyria.wordpress.com/2013/09/01/cnn-caught-staging-news-segments-on-syria-with-actors/

Anderson Cooper and CNN have been caught staging fake news about Syria to justify military intervention.
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September 3, 2013 12:48pm
Redbaiter

Kea- smiley face emoticons pop up to give after the fact justification for everything Progressives say about Conservatives that is completely wrong.
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September 3, 2013 1:33pm
adaman

It was the Syrian rebels who used the chemical weapons according to this to them being mishandled.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/jabhat-al-nusra-rebels-admit-responsibility-for-chemical-weapons-attack/5347485
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September 3, 2013 1:52pm
UglyTruth

Anderson Cooper and CNN have been caught staging fake news about Syria to justify military intervention.

Syria activist Danny, the poster child to justify a military invasion in Syria, caught staging entire CNN interviews including directing fake gunfire off stage.

Raw video footage of the Syria activist Danny as he waits to do a live video interview with CNN shows him directing off-stage fake gunfire and explosions, as well as being directed to tell CNN he has been retrieving the bodies of civilians from buildings that collapse due to Syria army mortar fire. It also shows Danny totally exaggerating a sense of fear and urgency as he goes from being totally calm, smiling and even somewhat bored before the on air interview starts to acting totally scared, hysterical and pretending he is in the middle of a war zone as soon as the actual interview starts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=3lWB5ssifTg
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September 3, 2013 1:59pm
Fletch

The UK might be in the shit for allowing a British company to export the chemicals needed for chemical weapons to Syria in 2012.

The Government was accused of “breathtaking laxity” in its arms controls last night after it emerged that officials authorised the export to Syria of two chemicals capable of being used to make a nerve agent such as sarin a year ago.

The Business Secretary, Vince Cable, will today be asked by MPs to explain why a British company was granted export licences for the dual-use substances for six months in 2012 while Syria’s civil war was raging and concern was rife that the regime could use chemical weapons on its own people. The disclosure of the licences for potassium fluoride and sodium fluoride, which can both be used as precursor chemicals in the manufacture of nerve gas, came as the US Secretary of State John Kerry said the United States had evidence that sarin gas was used in last month’s atrocity in Damascus.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/revealed-uk-government-let-british-company-export-nerve-gas-chemicals-to-syria-8793642.html
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September 3, 2013 2:01pm
RightNow

“schizophrenia was invented so that even solitary leftists can enjoy the thrill of intra-party feuds”
http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php/dailytelegraph/comments/wikiwrecks/
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September 3, 2013 2:05pm
DJP6-25

How confident is Lianne Dalziel of winning the Mayoralty of Christchurch? Is she going to resign from parliament before the election?
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September 3, 2013 2:33pm
Griff

RightNow
Unfortunately the right are no better.
All they have is a massive centralist snafu.
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September 3, 2013 2:52pm
Bad__Cat

Re Prostate Testing…
My PSA’ were normal, but a finger test indicated abnormality, this was confirmed with a biopsy, and resulting treatment has me clear 4 years later.
I’m grateful for my doctor, and for the fact he’s a little guy with skinny fingers!
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September 3, 2013 5:26pm
Bad__Cat

Watching the war porn and the nutbars chanting “Allahu Akbar” regardless of whether something good or bad happens makes me me wonder if that’s their version of “Fuck, man, didya see that?”
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September 3, 2013 5:40pm
Ross12

Well is this a surprise ? Free Schools ( the UK version of charter schools) are thriving.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyyoung/100233912/free-schools-will-more-than-double-in-number-later-this-month/
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September 3, 2013 6:05pm
SGA

There has been a certain amount of Miley Cyrus comment over the last few days – I don’t care that much one way or another to be honest.
But this clip linked on Stuff I thought was very clever.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=k6Lb3kFwJRQ
I hope this works, apologies in advance.
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September 3, 2013 6:13pm
Kea

SGA it worked, thanks 🙂
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September 3, 2013 6:24pm
nasska

SGA

That clip was well done.

Most of the geriatrics who have made a big deal about what was a very ordinary performance by a nondescript entertainer remind me of the silly old farts who fifty odd years ago thought that the end of civilisation was heralded by Elvis Presley & The Beatles.

They should leave the poor girl alone to fade into obscurity the same way her wretched talentless “Achy Breaky Heart” father did.
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September 3, 2013 6:27pm
Redbaiter

Most of the geriatrics who have made a big deal about what was a very ordinary performance by a nondescript entertainer remind me of the silly old farts who fifty odd years ago thought that the end of civilisation was heralded by Elvis Presley & The Beatles.”

If you ever came down out the mountains and got out of bed with your sisters and brothers, you would know that condemnation of Cyrus’s act was widespread and not confined to any particular age group or cultural group. Cyrus’s dancing was flat footed and ugly and her technique completely with out style.

Your attempt to compare the criticism of Miley to that which accompanied pop groups in the sixties is just another example of your weak limp dicked pot head cliché ridden view of the world.

Get out a bit you sixties drop kick hillbilly clown.
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September 3, 2013 6:50pm
nasska

That’s a bit rich coming from the quintessential silly old fart tilting at windmills & trying to turn back the clock a hundred years.
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September 3, 2013 7:03pm
Redbaiter

That’s even richer coming from some doddering uninformed bald headed fuckwit who apparently thinks its still 1965.
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September 3, 2013 7:07pm
nasska

It’s still fifty years closer to the present than your target for the Tardis. 🙂
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September 3, 2013 7:10pm
Redbaiter

Smiley face emoticons pop up to give after the fact justification for everything Progressives say about Conservatives that is completely wrong.
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September 3, 2013 7:11pm
Griff

Better being stuck in 1965 than living in a !950’s McCarthyism time warp of your own creation obsolete old dinosaur 😈 :lol:. At lest the sixty’s was fun.
The wall fell so long ago the kids don’t even know what it was
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September 3, 2013 7:12pm
Northland Wahine

SGA… Cheers!

Our household from 7 years old to 50 had a good chuckle over that!
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September 3, 2013 7:15pm
Redbaiter

THe wall was taken down by Reagan and prog arseholes like you and Narsekisser have been ever since trying to rebuild it. Guess what scum. You can stand on the watch towers and malign everyone you don’t agree with as out of touch, but that wall is coming down again, and there’s fuck all you or Narsekissa can do to stop it.
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September 3, 2013 7:17pm
Kea

New Zealand experiences warmest winter on record

WELLINGTON, New Zealand (AP) Winter lacked its usual Antarctic chill in New Zealand this year to record effect.

Scientists said Tuesday the South Pacific nation had its warmest winter since record-keeping began more than a century ago.

The average nationwide temperature was 9.5 Celsius (49.1 Fahrenheit) for June, July and August. That’s about 1.2 Celsius above average and 0.3 Celsius above the previous record set in 1984, the National Institute of Water and Atmospheric Research said. Record-keeping began in 1909.

But of course weather is not climate 🙂
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September 3, 2013 7:18pm
nasska

“The neo-conservatives, who are closely linked to the neo-corporatists, are rather different. They claim to be conservatives, when everything they stand for is a rejection of conservatism. They claim to present an alternate social model, when they are little more than the courtiers of the corporatist movement. Their agitation is filled with the bitterness and cynicism typical of courtiers who scramble for crumbs at the banquet tables of real power, but are always denied a proper chair.”
― John Ralston Saul, The Unconscious Civilization
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September 3, 2013 7:22pm
liarbors a joke

Sensible words again from 1Law4all…

“Dr Sharples talks in terms of making this nation more “culturally inclusive for our children”. We could not agree more, and to this end 1law4all is working towards a nation in which New Zealanders of every colour, ethnicity or blood can grow up in a world of entirely equal opportunity. As neighbours we would like all peoples to treat each other as they would like to be treated themselves – with respect, honour, decency and kindness if anyone needs anything, or is in trouble. We don’t need Te Tiriti to do that. We need to grow up as a nation, and start to recognise that we will never move forward with this massive millstone placed round the neck of the nation by ill-advised politicians acting at the behest of a “treatyist elite.”

Te Tiriti is not a constitutional document. It was and is a simple four paragraph acceptance of both parties best interests at the time. It is now time to ditch it, for it no longer serves New Zealand. How can it possibly? We are still arguing about the translation. It is an absurdity that New Zealand still weighs itself down with this totally anachronistic Victorian document.

If Dr Sharples insists there is racial discrimination and hatred still present in our society then Dr Pot is talking to Dr Kettle. The only racial discrimination is that of vast public funding being allocated to race based organisations – e.g. Maori TV. How much does that absorb every year from the public purse? How many operations at our Hospitals do not take place as a result of preferential funding to people who are not of European origin?”
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September 3, 2013 7:22pm
Lucia Maria

The warm winter has been fantastic. Bring it on. Now if we can just get rid of the windy Spring…
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September 3, 2013 7:24pm
Redbaiter

Yep that’s right you weak arsed commie toady, if it comes to debate you can’t even write your own words and if its not links to no doubt dumbfuck jpegs that no one can be fucked clicking on its completely screwed up and disconnected quotes from people who do at least have some ability in self expression.
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September 3, 2013 7:25pm
Griff

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/09/02/us/california-yosemite-fire/

With rain and cooler temperatures in the forecast, firefighters who have toiled tirelessly for days will likely make further gains in the coming days.

Still, officials don’t expect full containment until October 20.

The Rim Fire started August 17 and swallowed more than 235,000 acres — making it the fifth-largest wildfire in California history. It has cost the state more than $39 million to date.

Authorities don’t know what started the Rim Fire — although the fire chief in the town of Twain Harte said illegal marijuana growers could be the unintentional culprits.

“It might be some sort of illicit grove, marijuana grow-type thing.”
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September 3, 2013 7:27pm
nasska

Diddums! 🙂
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September 3, 2013 7:27pm
Kea

Lucy, have you got the bikini out yet ?

I was in Welly for 5 days. It was like being in another country, one where they write in Cyrillic. Not much evidence of warming there.
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September 3, 2013 7:28pm
Lucia Maria

Nasska,

In other words, they have high standards, but they fail to meet them personally. So what, we need standards we can all aim for rather than just the lowest common denominator. May as well just join Machiavelli in that case.
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September 3, 2013 7:29pm
Griff

Yes wonderful sister.
Sorry flipper I have already posted this. Those who can understand the impact if the growing frequency of extreme summer temperatures continues need to see it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uX16kjY_59E
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September 3, 2013 7:38pm
Kea

Lucy, there is a contradiction hidden in your comment. If you set standards attainable by all then those standards will be, by necessity, attainable by the lowest denominator.
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September 3, 2013 7:40pm
Kea

Griff, We have seen how normal seasonal temperature variations distress you greatly. Have you considered sailing your stick boat closer to the equator ?

You can grow weed all year round there too 🙂
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September 3, 2013 7:44pm
wat dabney

“Those who can understand the impact if the growing frequency of extreme summer temperatures continues need to see it.”

So anthropogenic global warming has more effect in the Summer than in the Winter!

Who knew!
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September 3, 2013 7:47pm
Redbaiter

Lucia- have a look at this.

More progressive legacy.
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September 3, 2013 7:55pm
nasska

I’ve just finished walking from Auckland to Wellington.

It was either that or fly with Jetstar.
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September 3, 2013 8:00pm
Griff

Reddy Sister look at this.

The Sexual Repression of the Irish People

“Lock them up and dont let them see the cold light of day” more than likely was a thought that ran through the head of the nuns as they threw single mothers back into their rooms after a long day at the laundry working tirelessley to make a quick bucks for the holy orders that ran such kips. Single mothers were placed in these institutions becasue they had a child outside of marriage, children were given up for adoption or sent into some industrial school and the mothers looked upon with disgrace, daring to have sex outside of marriage. Even at that, it was not only single mothers whom were sent but women whom may have been single but seen to have been too beautiful for how she may tempt man to “partake of her flesh”. Women from society of all types were sent against their will to the laundries.The last of these institutions only closed in 1996, closing its doors never again to be opened thankfully. Ireland however has still held itself back all these years, the closing of the last Magdalene laundry marked a deliniation in the role of Irish society perhaps not frowing upon the sexual being that is inside all of us but to think it was a complete deliniation is far from the truth.

The Ryan report unmasked the level at which child abuse was prevalent all through the schools run by the Irish church and to what extent the abuse was perpetrated. Priests, most of whom were placed under an obligation to stay celibate, were shown to have been abusing children to satiate some sort of urge they had which can be attributed partially to the twisting of norms at the time at what was accepted and what was not. Sexually you only had sex to procreate and sex for any other reason was seen as a sin except in households where the wife was expected to grit her teeth, spread her legs and think of Ireland in what became a societal norm and not seen as it should have been, an abuse of womens rights , a violation of her own body.

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?14039-The-Sexual-Repression-of-the-Irish-People

Marriage in Ireland up to 150 years ago was as informal as it is today for many ‘living as married’ couples–the Penal Laws, which Britain had introduced in the mid-17th century making Catholics second class citizens, meant that, while the church was identified with the oppressed, it had little effect on the oppressed’s day to day life. In 1793 the ratio of priests to Catholics was 1:1,587.4 In 1840 it was 1:3,023. There were very few church buildings.5 The church had little influence on family life or on sexual mores generally. This section examines how changes in women’s role in production following the Great Famine led to changes in how reproduction was organised within the family.

http://pubs.socialistreviewindex.org.uk/isj91/horgan.htm

Very informative as to the level of compassion and morality in the Catholics churches oppression.
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September 3, 2013 8:06pm
Kea

Red, you can not blame progs for that. It is the internet. I am not convinced it signals the collapse of society. Though I would like to see a return to some more traditional values around sexuality and relationships.
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September 3, 2013 8:07pm
Redbaiter

“Reddy Sister look at this.”

Fuck off. I am not the slightest bit interested in your tired old done to death prog bigotry.
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September 3, 2013 8:12pm
Griff

Red its not bigotry its history.
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September 3, 2013 8:13pm
Redbaiter

“Red, you can not blame progs for that.”

Its damn sure it isn’t down to Christians and Conservatives. Stuck in the sixties Prog scum like Narsekissa and Grief have been attacking moral standards, fathers and the family for decades and this is the result. They’re cowards and this is what we get for allowing them to assume social ascendancy.
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September 3, 2013 8:16pm
Redbaiter

“Red its not bigotry its history.”

Its bigotry but worse its boring. Trade your clapped out drug addled Prog brain in on one that functions for fuck’s sake.
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September 3, 2013 8:19pm
nasska

Bigotry. n a statement that is disagreeable to a religioconservative. Used the same way as socialists claim “racism” to deflect valid criticism.
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September 3, 2013 8:19pm
Redbaiter

That’s a fucking laff. There’s hardly a day gone by here on GD where you you sad demented fuckwit haven’t launched some bigoted attack on Christianity. You’re a one issue tired lame old bigot, and that’s a fact that doesn’t deflect from anything.
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September 3, 2013 8:24pm
Yvette

What fucking genius designed Labour’s new Leader exercise –
party divisions and a plethora of policies.
With the official annual conference approved policies now augmented by three more new lists, who has any bloody idea what the fuck Labour stands for?

What a great gift to National 🙂
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September 3, 2013 8:24pm
Griff

Wake up old man
The time of church and superstitious nonce leading humanity is on the wane.
Half this country is atheist.

The religioconservative dynamic does not fit well in one of the most free country’s in the world.

http://www.heritage.org/index/ranking
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/09/world-freedom-index-2013_n_2440620.html
http://www.freetheworld.com/
http://en.rsf.org/press-freedom-index-2013,1054.html

Eat that you Authoritarian megalomaniac wing nut.
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September 3, 2013 8:29pm
Redbaiter

“Wake up old man”

That is rich coming from someone whose pot rotted brain is stuck in neutral and still stuggling to find drive and get out of the sixties. You and your ilk have built the biggest most racist intrusive government edifice that has ever existed in this country’s history, destroyed our education system, turned our universities into Stalinist indoctrination camps, attacked and attacked and attacked again the concept of private property and freedom of expression, and then you come on here and preach to me about liberty? Fuck off you dingbat. You wouldn’t know liberty if it was chewing your useless prog arse off.
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September 3, 2013 8:39pm
Griff

Don’t blame me reddy I am not and neither have been a partisan national/labour voter.
I dont define my self like a sheep.
I make up my own view on reality based on my own evaluation of the world around me..
I vote for the party that has the most palatable policy mix congruent to my economic and social viewpoint.
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September 3, 2013 8:48pm
Lucia Maria

Red,

That’s just awful.

I agree with Judith Reisman’s description of porn – it’s homo-sex – made by men to turn men and boys on.
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September 3, 2013 8:51pm
kowtow

grief has given us a link to the International Socialist journal!

Either he’s barking mad or taking the piss.

Woof woof.
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September 3, 2013 8:51pm
Griff

Kow tow I also included the economic freedom index of a right wing think tank.
Google freedom index and find one were we are not in the top ten.
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September 3, 2013 8:53pm
Redbaiter

“Don’t blame me reddy I am not and neither have been a partisan national/labour voter.”

I do blame you. You only have to read a few of your comments here to understand how completely besotted you are with the progressive ideas that caused us to arrive at this destination. You’re a libertine who have cheered and clapped as government has grown into a monolithic all powerful socialist monster, and worse, signed up to agreements that attack our sovereignty and make us subjects of a corrupt and dysfunctional world government. The worst is you’re so fucking dopey you don’t even know how or why you’ve done it, but done it you have you clown. Now fuck off back under your rock and allow those trying to do something about your sick Marxist fuck up to get on with it.
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September 3, 2013 8:54pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Don’t think about me and bikinis. It’ll make your brain go into tool mode.
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September 3, 2013 8:57pm
nasska

….” and allow those trying to do something about your sick Stalinist fuck up to get on with it.”….

Like clog up a centre right blog with your half baked, Godaddled, conservative cut & paste crap for another night.
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September 3, 2013 8:58pm
Griff

And it doesn’t take an IQ of 145 to work out your tardis will nether locate your mythical nirvana.
You cry freedom yet symbolize repression.
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September 3, 2013 9:03pm
Redbaiter

“Like clog up a centre right blog with your half baked, Godaddled, conservative cut & paste crap for another night.”

Just look up the thread two or three comments. Its you and your derelict sixties loser buddy Griff that have been doing the cutting and pasting you brain addled drunken old blind bigot.
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