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Johnboy

Quite right Kea. You and I are probably slightly in love with a certain dimensionless Christian! 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:45pm
UglyTruth

I can’t conclude thermite is responsible for WTC because I don’t know enough

Unexploded nanothermite residue:

http://911review.com/evidence/wtc_explosives.html

Alternative demolition mechanisms have also been suggested, but we are way beyond “some guys in a cave did it”.
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September 30, 2013 9:46pm
Kea

We’ve got pissweak links to infantile pics

Again, how can you know that if you NEVER click on the links as you claim ? How would you know they are even pictures ? 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:47pm
Griff

griff has been pleased to receive the gift of a 1l jar of moonshine
he has discovered that drinking moonshine and smoking pot can cause caterstopic combustion of beards
😆
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September 30, 2013 9:48pm
Redbaiter

“You’re not being held hostage Baity…”

Ha, I was here before you turned up and I’ll be here long after you’ve gone you repugnant repetitive boring old coward.
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September 30, 2013 9:48pm
nasska

….”can cause caterstopic combustion of beards”…..

Can you buy carbon credits for that? 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:49pm
Nostradamus

A trip down memory lane:

A 9/11 truther right here
April 19th, 2012 at 2:00 pm by David Farrar

Normally I wouldn’t highlight a comment by Phil U, but such lunacy deserves to be exposed. Yesterday he commented:

ed snack…9/11 was done by mossad/cheney..and some others..
(and shrub jnr knew it was going down…so they had him reading to school kids..
..while cheney sat in his bunker in the pentagon..monitoring/ensuring the clear passages of the planes into new york..
..just more rightwing murdering bastards..

Yes Mossad and Dick Cheney were behind the 9/11 attacks, right after they faked the moon landing and shot JFK. That is seriously deranged.

UglyTruth and Philu should compare notes on the real 9/11 story that everyone else (the ignorati as UglyTruth would see it) is missing out on! The stress of being one of the few enlightened ones, with special privileged knowledge about what really happened, must cause them sleepless nights!
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September 30, 2013 9:50pm
Dennis Horne

There was an old blatherer called Reddy
Who found his friends on Kiwiblog quite steady
But try as he might
He stayed up tight
Until puffing some dope that he had ready.
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September 30, 2013 9:52pm
Redbaiter

“How would you know they are even pictures ? :)”

Hahah, gawd you’re a fucking hopeless troglodyte. Apparently even worse then “the dpb is behind it all” retard Nasska.

The links end in .jpg you damn fool.
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September 30, 2013 9:52pm
mikenmild

Dennis
Ugly has a level of civility to which Reddy could never aspire, but I am thinking more of his reluctance to really engage with argument. Neither of them make much of an attempt to persuade. Even Kea argues – he’s never wong, of course, but that’s a different pathology.
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September 30, 2013 9:52pm
Kea

nasska, have you noticed that the vast majority of Red’s posts are directed at us prog-fuckwit-trolls ?

Other than a bit of unselfconscious oral with kowtow, he rarely engages in any civilised debate with anyone !

No other contributor on KB is like that. Either you agree with Red, (so there is nothing to talk about beyond mutual masterbation), or you are attacked for being a prog/troll/commie.
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September 30, 2013 9:53pm
Kea

Snap ! 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:54pm
Lucia Maria

Johnboy,

Self-crucifixion is not physical, it’s like a metaphor for self-restraint. So, a person can know that they have no ability to resist certain things, so they just don’t go there; therefore crucifying themselves.

You’re not going to get any pictures from me.

I will give you one dimension though. I’m 182cm tall, ie almost 6 foot. Without heels, which I like wearing.
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September 30, 2013 9:57pm
nasska

….”the vast majority of Red’s posts are directed at us prog-fuckwit-trolls”….

It gives meaning to his dull & wretched life Kea. 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:57pm
Kea

The links end in .jpg you damn fool.,

I never look at his pissweak links to infantile pics 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:57pm
Griff

no nasska
home distilled alcohol is a renewable and so is pot
the government encourages the consumption of both by its benighted lack of tax on both resources
something that even el gauva must aprove of
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September 30, 2013 9:57pm
nasska

Six foot!!!! Heels!!!! Steady down JB 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:58pm
Johnboy

Do your high heels have black leather boots attached to them Lucia? 🙂
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September 30, 2013 9:59pm
Kea

for self-restraint

Like padded handcuffs ?
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September 30, 2013 9:59pm
Kea

Johnboy, don’t be afraid. They are all the same height laying down 😉
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September 30, 2013 10:00pm
Redbaiter

“It gives meaning to his dull & wretched life Kea. :)”

Oh look, just in case you failed to recognise that as something really witty and funny and obviously the work of someone with a special knack for humour, there is a smiley at the end of it.

As there is at the end of every uproariously funny line Nasska drops in here.

Makes you wonder why when he’s so good at humour why he’s stuck up in the back blocks of the Wairarapa herding sheep and contracting to the local council doesn’t it.

Must be those DPB bitches fucking it all up for him.
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September 30, 2013 10:01pm
Dennis Horne

@Redbaiter. Good answer. I see your mind is clearing.
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September 30, 2013 10:04pm
Kea

Red, have you ever had a girlfriend ?
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September 30, 2013 10:05pm
Griff

shit
griff last gf was 182cm
griff is 160
soft bits at head high
bliss
except she made me wear platform heels 🙁
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September 30, 2013 10:05pm
nasska

With or without a heartbeat Kea? 🙂
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September 30, 2013 10:07pm
mikenmild

Dennis
Prasie for Reddy is usually spat back.
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September 30, 2013 10:07pm
Kea

except she made me wear platform heels

No way ! lol 🙂

Platform heels are a bitch on hemp sandles.
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September 30, 2013 10:08pm
Johnboy

Being short is OK Griff.

When you bend the tall ones over the kitchen table you just have to remember to stand on a few phone books! 🙂
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September 30, 2013 10:08pm
Griff

he has his palin doll
and kowtow has a heartbeat
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September 30, 2013 10:10pm
nasska

Perhaps he could draw a likeness of Sarah on Kowtow’s back Griff. 🙂
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September 30, 2013 10:12pm
UglyTruth

ed snack…9/11 was done by mossad/cheney..and some others..
(and shrub jnr knew it was going down…so they had him reading to school kids..
..while cheney sat in his bunker in the pentagon..monitoring/ensuring the clear passages of the planes into new york..
..just more rightwing murdering bastards..

If philu had left out the rightwing bit I would have agreed with him 100%

There’s plenty of evidence that says that Mossad had foreknowledge, and it was clearly in the Zionist’s interests.
Cheney was obviously implicated as director of operations like philu said.
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September 30, 2013 10:16pm
Redbaiter

Fuck Nasska you’re so pathetically weak and you cant see it you must have the world’s worst case of lack of self awareness.

Just keep the smilies coming. There’s nothing really wrong with laffing at your own jokes is there?

Someone has to.
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September 30, 2013 10:18pm
Dennis Horne

@UglyTruth. You’re saying some government people organised some guys to hijack airliners and fly them into the Twin Towers, which they then blew up. Have I got this right?
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September 30, 2013 10:21pm
mikenmild

‘world’s worst case of lack of self awareness’
LOL – a comment from such a model for the self-aware.
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September 30, 2013 10:22pm
Viking2

Document Writer 250 years old

http://www.chonday.com/Videos/the-writer-automaton
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September 30, 2013 10:23pm
Viking2

Just imagine….If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Air New Zealand
one
year ago, you would have $49.00 today.

If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in the AA one year ago , you would
have $33.00 today.

If you had purchased $1,000 of shares in Canterbury Finance one year
ago,you would have $0.00 today.

But, if you had purchased $1,000 worth of beer one year ago, drank all
the
beer, then turned in the aluminium cans for recycling refund, you would
have
received $214.00..

Based on the above, the best current investment plan is to drink heavily
&
recycle. It is called the KiwiSaver-Keg.

A recent study found that the average Kiwi walks about 900 miles a year.
Another study found that Kiwi’s drink, on
average, 22 gallons of alcohol a year. That means that,
on average, Kiwi’s get about 41 miles to the gallon!

Makes you damned proud to be a Kiwi!!
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September 30, 2013 10:24pm
Griff

I have a vision
Lucy in thigh high black lether boots with whip
kowtow in a gimp suit
harryit in a Janet dress
and red as frankninferter
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September 30, 2013 10:24pm
Viking2

I was in a pet shop when I noticed a Muslim with the most amazingly coloured parrot perched on her shoulder.

“Where did you get that from?” I asked.

“Christmas Island, there’s f.ckin’ thousands of ’em.” … said the Parrot.
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September 30, 2013 10:25pm
Viking2

Johnboy (11,513) Says:
September 30th, 2013 at 10:08 pm

Being short is OK Griff.

When you bend the tall ones over the kitchen table you just have to remember to stand on a few phone books! :=======================
or just stick ya head up the arse. 😆
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September 30, 2013 10:26pm
Redbaiter

Milky, I know you’re only about 90 IQ but surely even you must posses the small amount of wit necessary to recognise Nasska’s weak and pathetic attempts at humour for what they are.

An excuse. A cover for the fact that if it wasn’t for these endless boring attempts at humor, he’d post nothing here but his hatred of Christianity.

He’s only ever branched out from that once in my experience and that is when he ranted and foamed and blamed the DPB for all the ills in NZ.

He’s retarded. Most likely from in breeding. A tradition his sister tells me he’s keen on continuing.
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September 30, 2013 10:28pm
Viking2

God and Dad.

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?feature=player_embedded&v=kpSUJSZOZ60
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September 30, 2013 10:32pm
Griff

reds obsession with nasska is luv
tdvm will be gutted
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September 30, 2013 10:36pm
UglyTruth

You’re saying some government people organised some guys to hijack airliners and fly them into the Twin Towers, which they then blew up. Have I got this right?

No, the best theory I’ve read is that the airliners were swapped out mid flight, hence the long detours to get out of radar view. They were swapped out with remotely controlled ones for the twin towers. There are lots of problems with the Pentagon story, it could have been a missile that hit the building as a passenger jet made an overpass around the same time.
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September 30, 2013 11:07pm
TheContrarian

“No, the best theory I’ve read is that the airliners were swapped out mid flight, hence the long detours to get out of radar view.”
And what happened to the planes and the people? Isn’t it far more likely the planes were dropping from view in order to thwart any attempt to bring them down?

“They were swapped out with remotely controlled ones for the twin towers.”
Where did those planes come from?

“There are lots of problems with the Pentagon story, it could have been a missile that hit the building as a passenger jet made an overpass around the same time.”
That’d work – unless people saw the planes.
Whoops.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js4rlz7gkmw

You ‘story’ is stupid and makes no sense.
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September 30, 2013 11:26pm
UglyTruth

And what happened to the planes and the people?

I don’t know. According to one theory, they all transfer to another plane at Harrisburg which is later shot down over Pennsylvania. The other planes would most likely have been remote flown to the ocean and destroyed.

http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Operation_Pearl.html

Isn’t it far more likely the planes were dropping from view in order to thwart any attempt to bring them down?

No, because they had to increase the flight times in order to hide from the radar. If being shot down was a real risk for the planes then they would not have exposed themselves to unnecessary risk with long detours.

Where did those planes come from?

The replacement planes could have been flown as part of one of the exercises that were running at the same time.

That’d work – unless people saw the planes.

Or they were lying about seeing a passenger plane hit the Pentagon.

You ‘story’ is stupid and makes no sense.

Cry me a river, fucktard.
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September 30, 2013 11:53pm
bereal

Some people respond to immature crap young fools like Ugly Truth post.

What silly irriods they must be.

Sirry irriots.

Fukin sirry irriots.
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October 1, 2013 12:06am
TheContrarian

So why did to people in the plane which came down over Pennsylvania not tell their families during the calls made from that flight at the time?

You state the planes were making long detours to get out I radar so when counter with they needed to get out radar to avoid the risk if being shot down you argue that they wouldn’t have taken such long detours to he out of radar because it would be too risky. You contradict yourself.

Which exercises?

Unless people lied about seeing a plane? It is technically impossible to make sure everyone was lying in a situation where you can’t know how many people are seeing the incident. How could anyone fire a missile during the day, across open public spaces in a busy city a then make sure everyone who saw it lied and say it was a plane? It does t make sense and your story makes even less.
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October 1, 2013 7:51am
UglyTruth

flight at the time?

If the passenger transfer theory is correct then then no actual calls could have been made from Flight 93, since it would be quite likely that some passengers would mention that they had changed planes. This implies that the calls were faked by the conspirators. Support for this is the technical difficulty of placing a cellphone call from a plane which is flying at altitude. Also there were a relatively high number of calls (13) reportedly made from Flight 93, compared to the other planes, yet the FBI only reported that two calls were made from Flight 93. Other support is the calmness of the callers as recounted by the recipients.

you argue that they wouldn’t have taken such long detours to he out of radar because it would be too risky

No, what I said was: “If being shot down was a real risk for the planes then they would not have exposed themselves to unnecessary risk with long detours.” The implication is that there was no risk of being shot down, as supported by the fact that fighter jets were delayed or not sent.

Which exercises?

The Vigilant Warrior and Vigilant Guardian Training Exercises
These were apparently a pair of war games (attacker versus defender) which involved live-fly simulations of hijackings.

It is technically impossible to make sure everyone was lying in a situation where you can’t know how many people are seeing the incident.

Right, not all the witnesses were lying.

It does t make sense and your story makes even less.

Go do your own research, fuckwit.
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October 1, 2013 8:42am
TheContrarian

So the calls from the loved ones from 93 were faked? How did those receiving the calls not notice it wasn’t there loved ones speaking? What happened to the real flight 93 and the people on it? And why a big convoluted exercise to fly two planes, dip under radar, continue on a long flight path, land somewhere, dump the passengers, put them on another plane, switch that plane with the real 93, fake the phone calls, crash land in Pennsylvania before sending two other remote controlled planes into the twin towers and while making sure your military is tied up elsewhere. Then a missile was sent at the Pentagon, ignoring the fact it was a clear day and in full view of the public, and they got a few (10’s if not 100’s of) people to lie about seeing a plane

That’s a pretty wildly fallible and unnecessarily complicated plan involving hundreds of people.
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October 1, 2013 9:25am
TheContrarian

“Support for this is the technical difficulty of placing a cellphone call from a plane which is flying at altitude. Also there were a relatively high number of calls (13) reportedly made from Flight 93, compared to the other planes, yet the FBI only reported that two calls were made from Flight 93”

“26 calls were made from the telephones fitted into the back of the Boeing 757’s seats. One was being monitored by the FBI. No one knows how many were made on the passengers’ own mobile telephones”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/1360088/The-extraordinary-last-calls-of-Flight-UA93.html
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October 1, 2013 9:35am
UglyTruth

So the calls from the loved ones from 93 were faked?

That is where the theory goes.

How did those receiving the calls not notice it wasn’t there loved ones speaking?

Possibly by the callers only talking about the “official narrative”, i.e we’ve been hijacked, going to storm the cockpit, etc. Terminate the call if a difficult question is asked.

What happened to the real flight 93 and the people on it?

I’ve already answered that question.

And why a big convoluted exercise…

Because there was a system in place with the express purpose of stopping air based attacks.

… crash land in Pennsylvania …

I said shot down, idiot. If it crash landed there would be a flight recorder, identifiable bodies, DNA, etc since the crash site could not be controlled like NY and the Pentagon.

Then a missile was sent at the Pentagon, ignoring the fact it was a clear day and in full view of the public

Possibly the missile was fired from a plane which looked like a normal passenger aircraft.

.. and they got a few (10′s if not 100′s of) people to lie about seeing a plane …

They weren’t lying about seeing a plane. According to the theory there was a passenger jet which overflew the Pentagon and something smaller which actually hit the Pentagon.

That’s a pretty wildly fallible and unnecessarily complicated plan involving hundreds of people.

Fool, you’ve been wrong and ignorant so many times in this exchange that your opinion is of no value.

What is your explanation? 19 suicidal Saudi terrorists plant nanothermite in the WTC towers and fly a hijacked airliner into the restrengthened and mostly unoccupied part of the Pentagon, after arranging for witnesses to testify that there was no identifiable airliner wreckage there?
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October 1, 2013 10:14am
TheContrarian

No you haven’t said what happened to the real 93 and the people on board. Plus you have said that the passengers were transported from the two planes that hit the twin towers into the flight which went down in Pennsylvania. Now you are saying there were no bodies. So which is it? They were either on that plane or not. Also the flight recorder was indeed recovered.

“Possibly the missile was fired from a plane which looked like a normal passenger aircraft.”
Again this is needlessly complicated and completely stupid. They dropped all the passengers from the planes the hit the twin towers and flew two radio controlled planes but instead of doing the same to the Pentagon they retrofitted a plane to look like a passenger jet and fired a missile (or retrofitted a passenger jet to fire a missile) at the Pentagon? And what happened to the people who were on the plane which hit the pentagon? Did that plane also land somewhere else and have the passengers disembark never to be heard from again?

There was no thermite in the 9/11 buildings, hundreds of people saw a plane hit the pentagon or fly towards it and no one has come forward to suggest the plane overflew it.

None of this “theory” makes any sense whatsoever
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October 1, 2013 10:23am
TheContrarian

“Possibly by the callers only talking about the “official narrative”, i.e we’ve been hijacked, going to storm the cockpit, etc. Terminate the call if a difficult question is asked.”

But those people who made the calls were either on flight 93 from the start which you say they weren’t or they were the people which had been transferred from the two original planes.
There is no consistent narrative.
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October 1, 2013 10:29am
wikiriwhis business

Obama calls for “NEW WORLD ORDER at UN

Joe Biden announced officially this several months ago.

There has to be a NWO as the US verges on banruptcy and govt is on the verge of closing down. That could be today.

This is why the US rages for war in the Middle east. War is profit.

Govt shut down could lead to the crash of the dollar .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGs85it1mks
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October 1, 2013 10:32am
TheContrarian

“Obama calls for “NEW WORLD ORDER at UN”

Please highlight where he did this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/25/us/politics/text-of-obamas-speech-at-the-un.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
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October 1, 2013 10:40am
UglyTruth

No you haven’t said what happened to the real 93 and the people on board.

I said: “According to one theory, they all transfer to another plane at Harrisburg which is later shot down over Pennsylvania. The other planes would most likely have been remote flown to the ocean and destroyed.”

Plus you have said that the passengers were transported from the two planes that hit the twin towers into the flight which went down in Pennsylvania.

No, I didn’t say that. According to the theory the passengers were never on the remote-controlled planes which hit the twin towers.

Also the flight recorder was indeed recovered.

Not the real one.
http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/flight_93_cvr.html

Again this is needlessly complicated and completely stupid.

You the one being stupid, asshole. Any can see that you are misrepresenting what I wrote.

There was no thermite in the 9/11 buildings

“In April, 2009 a team of 9 scientists led by Niels Harrit of Copenhagen published a paper in the Open Physics Chemistry Journal. They describe what they found in 4 samples of World Trade Center dust; red chips. Using high tech, sophisticated scientific methods of analysis and equipment these scientists concluded that the material was nano-thermite. Nano-thermite has been researched and developed at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratories in California since at least the late 1990s. They first published a paper on it (A.E. Gash) in April, 2000. It is an explosive and can be used in weapons. It can be sprayed on to metal or metal can be dipped into it and coated. It is harmless when wet but burns and releases a lot of heat when burned.”
http://davis911truth.org/911-conspiracy/red-chips-nanothermite/

no one has come forward to suggest the plane overflew it.

“Our analysis indicates that in reality, sophisticated shaped-charge explosive technology was used to create a scene comporting with the appearance of an jetliner crash, while simultaneously a 757 overflew the area and landed at nearby Reagan National Airport.”
http://www.911-strike.com/pentagon.htm

None of this “theory” makes any sense whatsoever

LOL, it’s obvious you are a shill, Contrarian. Eat fluoride and die.
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October 1, 2013 10:55am
TheContrarian

Your “theory”” makes no sense whatsoever. It’s so riddled with holes, inconsistencies and unnecessary complexity that it makes my eyes bleed. Passengers being transported from one plane to another, fake phone calls, 100’s of people lying about seeing a plane, remote controlled aircraft.

How did thermite get into the twin towers? Do you know how long it takes to wire a building for demolition? How come no one noticed the building being wired? how did the explosive sniffer dogs not get a whiff of it? Why is nothing on the security tapes?

Your “evidence” of tape recording fabrication is not evidence at all? It ends with a question mark you idiot.

““Our analysis indicates that in reality, sophisticated shaped-charge explosive technology was used to create a scene comporting with the appearance of an jetliner crash, while simultaneously a 757 overflew the area and landed at nearby Reagan National Airport.””
Why do that when they have just flown two remote controlled planes into the Twin Towers? Why not do the same for the pentagon instead of having to go through the effort of wiring the building. Wouldn’t it be easier to just crash a plane and why did hundreds of people state they saw a plane? What sense does it make to fake it in full public view when they could have just done it with a plane? What happened to the original plane and it’s passengers?

It makes no sense you twit.
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October 1, 2013 11:20am
mikenmild

TC
The obstinate stupidity is strong with Ugly. You have resorted to calling him a twit, so he will only come back with more of his abuse. He genuinely believes all this nonsense, so attempting to engage him with a reasoned discourse is actually a waste of time, with diminishing returns in terms of lulz.
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October 1, 2013 11:33am
TheContrarian

“a waste of time with diminishing returns in terms of lulz”
Indeed
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October 1, 2013 11:38am
UglyTruth

100′s of people lying about seeing a plane

You’re the liar, Contrarian. There really was a passenger airliner which flew towards the Pentagon, and many reliable witnesses saw it.

How did thermite get into the twin towers?

I don’t know. Here is a link to evidence that it did get in:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/bombs-in-the-world-trade-center-analysis/24933

Do you know how long it takes to wire a building for demolition?

It can be done wirelessly.

how did the explosive sniffer dogs not get a whiff of it?

You mean the sniffer dogs that were inexplicably removed five days before 9/11?

Why is nothing on the security tapes?

What security tapes? The ones owned by the security company that was linked to the Bush crime family?

Your “evidence” of tape recording fabrication is not evidence at all?

It is evidence because it is factual and relevant.

Why do that when they have just flown two remote controlled planes into the Twin Towers?

The twin towers presented the photo opportunity necessary for the mass media to push the public in the desired direction, not so much with the Pentagon. The remains of the planes for the twin towers were distributed within the building debris and molten metal, making forensic identification impossible, but there was plenty of scope for witnesses to see the aftermath of the Pentagon attack.

why did hundreds of people state they saw a plane?

Because there was a plane, fuckwit, like I have repeatedly said.

What sense does it make to fake it in full public view when they could have just done it with a plane?

Because of the risk of witnesses observing that there were no bodies amongst the wreckage.

What happened to the original plane and it’s passengers?

I’ve already answered that one, shill.
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October 1, 2013 11:50am
UglyTruth

The obstinate stupidity is strong with Ugly.

Hypocrite much, mikenmild?

Where is your explanation for the excess energy of the collapse of the twin towers (Molten metal, site hot for weeks, large volumes of fine particulate dust, reports of multiple explosions)?
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