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Tom Jackson

Well, the Republicans are worse. They are shutting down the US government and threatening to let it default because Obama is introducing a new healthcare policy.

The guy who was largely responsible for designing that type of healthcare reform and for instituting it in the state that he governed was so reviled by Republicans that he was their candidate for President last time out.

You could not make it up.
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September 29, 2013 8:35pm
Redbaiter

Is there anything more arrogant than gape jawed uncivilised half educated commie progs telling us what Conservatives are?
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September 29, 2013 8:36pm
Tom Jackson

You knuckle dragging old progs are going to get done the way the Beatles did for Elvis.

You think so?

The Greeks spent the day arresting politicians who have largely been putting into practice some of the things you suggest on this blog.
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September 29, 2013 8:36pm
dad4justice

A prog has less brains than a frog!
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September 29, 2013 8:37pm
Redbaiter

“Well, the Republicans are worse. They are shutting down the US government and threatening to let it default because Obama is introducing a new healthcare policy.”

Not the Republicans. The Repubs would have let it through because their just another gang of pea brained progs.

The Tea Party stopped Obamacare.
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September 29, 2013 8:38pm
Steve (North Shore)

What have you got Doc Holliday?
Red only has a plastic spade and a bucket from his sandpit
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September 29, 2013 8:38pm
MT_Tinman

mikenmild (7,318) Says:
September 29th, 2013 at 7:38 pm
PEB
Do you know if there was an IPCA investigation?

Get off the grass!

An IPCA investigation involves a pig from somewhere else getting a local (to the investigated pig) pig to organise a cover-up for the scumbag pig being complained about.
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September 29, 2013 8:39pm
Redbaiter

“The Greeks spent the day arresting politicians who have largely been putting into practice some of the things you suggest on this blog.”

The Greeks.

Ha ha, thanks for the laugh.

Prog heaven.
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September 29, 2013 8:39pm
dad4justice

IPCA = a laughable sick corrupt joke.
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September 29, 2013 8:41pm
Tom Jackson

Is there anything more arrogant than gape jawed uncivilised half educated commie progs telling us what Conservatives are?

Edmund Burke knew nothing of conservatism compared to you, Red.

The Tea Party stopped Obamacare.

Not really. Funding for the ACA is exempt from the shutdown. The ACA will continue to come into force as legislated.
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September 29, 2013 8:41pm
Kea

Can someone explain why conservatism is being taken over by Redbaiter and his ilk?

I doubt that it has. Red displays the classic traits of short mans disease. In addition he is part of a very very small political minority. His posts are just chest beating and cries of frustration and impotent rage.
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September 29, 2013 8:44pm
Tom Jackson

I doubt that it has.

Looked at the US lately? Redbaiter’s opinions are mainstream conservatism there.
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September 29, 2013 8:46pm
Redbaiter

“Looked at the US lately?”

Ha ha..

You’re on fire Tom.

Kea never looks at anything other than his own reflection.

His political knowledge is negligible.
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September 29, 2013 8:49pm
cha

Daddy Rupert doesn’t sound too happy with his side.

Cruz’ grandstanding will cost him long-term, smarter Rand Paul silent. Meanwhile# both sides seem incapable of political deal making.

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/384070740842405888

Are Republicans self-destructing just when Obama at his weakest? Partial govt shut-down small issue compared to possible default.

https://twitter.com/rupertmurdoch/status/384069180972363776
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September 29, 2013 8:50pm
Kea

Tom Jackson, agreed, but this is not the US and Red needs to accept the fact.

I am no Obama fan, but I can understand people choosing him as the lessor of two evils. I would probably do the same. The problem with Obama is not so much with Obama himself, but with his one eyed supporters and media that refuse to hold him to account in the same way as other presidents were.
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September 29, 2013 8:50pm
nasska

Conservatards believe that loud volume, belligerence & personal attacks trump logic & reasoning in any argument. In a conservatard’s eyes, logic & reasoning are used by communists & hippies to warp the minds of the innocent young.

Therefore rational thought must be avoided at all costs.
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September 29, 2013 8:55pm
Kea

Red runt, you are not putting the usual passion and intensity into your ad hominem attacks lately. Is it lazyness or are you getting soft on progs ?

As for political knowledge, the best you can come up with is name calling. I have never seen you refute a political statement with evidence. Crying prog or troll does not cut it in the grown ups world.
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September 29, 2013 8:55pm
Tom Jackson

I would probably do the same. The problem with Obama is not so much with Obama himself, but with his one eyed supporters and media that refuse to hold him to account in the same way as other presidents were.

My view of the US is that it’s a third world society that has a first world economy. Socially, most of it outside a few urban enclaves is like some of the more backward Latin American and Middle Eastern countries: violent; excessively religious; riddled with corruption.

The US seems to have fatally diverged from the rest of the West right about the time of Watergate.
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September 29, 2013 8:55pm
Griff

the tea party is a construct to encourage the terminally stupid to fuck over themselves to the benefit of corrupt crony capitalist.
A manipulated bunch of ignorant yokels to stupid to realise they are being sold propaganda.
America land of ignorant Christian retards to vacant to think for themselves and sold a myth of freedom that is in reality slavery to their corporate masters
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September 29, 2013 8:56pm
Redbaiter

“trump logic & reasoning in any argument.”

Gawd almighty…

When the fuck have you ever had a logical argument you whining old sheep fucker? You’ve got nothing but wet tired old jokes and pathetic attempts to ingratiate yourself with all of your prog mates.

And even if you express an opinion its as confused as a dyslexic working with predictive text.

Yellow back.
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September 29, 2013 9:00pm
dad4justice

“America land of ignorant Christian retards to vacant to think for themselves and sold a myth of freedom that is in reality slavery to their corporate masters”

What page is that on in the communist manifesto griffer?
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September 29, 2013 9:03pm
Kea

Tom Jackson , yes you could be right. It is not like on the telly. And Americans are the first to tell you that.
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September 29, 2013 9:06pm
Judith

@ Redbaiter 9.00 p.m.

Good evening sunshine, you seem to be in fine form this evening, what did you have for dinner?
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September 29, 2013 9:07pm
nasska

I’m fiscally conservative but socially liberal Baity. Socialism doesn’t do much for me but your brand of crap would turn Warren Buffet into a communist.

I reckon you’re probably a plant by the Greens to help their membership drive. 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:08pm
Redbaiter

Fuck off Nasska, you’re a shallow derelict commie who is so fucked in the head he hasn’t even worked out the simple fact that you can’t be fiscally conservative and socially liberal at the same time.

Its like saying you’re a communist who wants small government.

You’re a Progressive or you’re a Conservative, and we don’t have to wonder what you are.

Too dumb to know that in your political ignorance you’ve been enabling the far left for four or five decades.
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September 29, 2013 9:11pm
Judith

@ nasska

A plant from the Greens you reckon? Here I was thinking he was representing the Bolshevik Ballet, perhaps even a lead dancer?
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September 29, 2013 9:12pm
Kea

nasska, in all honesty after seeing how rabid the resident conservatives are on KB I have felt myself drifting to the left a bit. I may disagree with many of the lefties, but at least they have some ideas and show some degree of concern for their fellow man. I do try and remind myself that Red/kowtow etc are probably a huge embarrassment to decent conservatives.
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September 29, 2013 9:13pm
nasska

A great idea for a new persona for you Baity!

Try working your personality into the embodiment of a Time Lord. You could gather up the rest of your pack of conservative malcontents & nutters for a trip back to the early part of last century. There you might find a few recruits for your cause amongst the uneducated & unenlightened of those times.

Because you’ve sure bombed out in 2013. 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:13pm
nasska

Interesting thought Judith…very possible. 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:14pm
Kea

You’re a progressive or your a Conservative,

Splitting.

Splitting (also called all-or-nothing thinking) is the failure in a person’s thinking to bring together both positive and negative qualities of the self and others into a cohesive, realistic whole. It is a common defense mechanism used by many people.[1] The individual tends to think in extremes (i.e., an individual’s actions and motivations are all good or all bad with no middle ground.)

Splitting was developed by Ronald Fairbairn in his formulation of object relations theory; it begins as the inability of the infant to combine the fulfilling aspects of the parents (the good object) and their unresponsive aspects (the unsatisfying object) into the same individuals, but sees the good and bad as separate. In psychoanalytic theory this functions as a defense mechanism.[citation needed] It is a relatively common defense mechanism for people with borderline personality disorder
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September 29, 2013 9:15pm
Redbaiter

“A great idea for a new persona for you Baity!”

Gee more “logic and reasoning” from Nasska.

Too yellow to try it aren’t you commie.
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September 29, 2013 9:15pm
dad4justice

Look nusska is again feeding his many flees.
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September 29, 2013 9:16pm
nasska

They’re an embarrassment to the human race Kea. However, the way I see it “centre right” is a comfortable place on the political spectrum. 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:17pm
Kea

“Because you’ve sure bombed out in 2013.”

nasska, that is a cowardly smear you lying prog commie troll. The conservatives are polling at around 1% LOL 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:17pm
Redbaiter

Judith talking politics is like Dolly Parton talking nuclear physics.
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September 29, 2013 9:18pm
dad4justice

Kea, Gripper and Udith the dumb bitch & nusska = all flees on a yellow sick commie dog.
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September 29, 2013 9:19pm
Tom Jackson

are probably a huge embarrassment to decent conservatives

Who are they? Farrar and a couple of others I can think of. The rest are more like Whale.
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September 29, 2013 9:21pm
Redbaiter

Farrar a Conservative….??????????

?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Hahahah.. fuck you’ve just got no idea have you Tom?

And Whale??

Jesus man, he’s a prog like you and Nasska who hates Conservatives.

Where the hell do you get such fucked up ideas from???
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September 29, 2013 9:22pm
Judith

@ Redbaiter

Oh, you are talking politics?
It’s hard to tell what you are talking about Red with all the abuse.
Do they let you out in public often?
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September 29, 2013 9:25pm
dad4justice

Red – I told you the progs are dumbos. Whale and Farrar are socialist easy riders. They wouldn’t know what a conservative was.
Is Tom Jackson James Sleep in drag? Is Udith Heather Simpson in Peter’s clothes?
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September 29, 2013 9:26pm
Redbaiter

Jude, if you’re going to try and insult me please use at least a modicum of originality.
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September 29, 2013 9:26pm
Kea

Kea, Gripper and Udith the dumb bitch & nusska = all flees on a yellow sick commie dog.

Not a fan then ? 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:28pm
Redbaiter

No dad, Tom is an old guy who fancies himself as a political lecturer.

Hard to imagine but he does.
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September 29, 2013 9:28pm
Tom Jackson

I’m not nor have I ever been a political lecturer.

Any interest I have in politics is strictly amateur and always will be.
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September 29, 2013 9:29pm
dad4justice

A political leech would be more appropriate. He is as dumb as Klarkula’s son James Sleep.
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September 29, 2013 9:30pm
Griff

keeping stock is a conservative as is imp
dpf is neo lib economic and liberal socially
red is just a fuckwit as are the rest of his sycophantic cohort
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September 29, 2013 9:31pm
Redbaiter

“I’m not nor have I ever been a political lecturer.”

Thank God for that truth.

Imagine the damage done to student’s minds.
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September 29, 2013 9:31pm
Redbaiter

Keeping Stock is not a Conservative for fuck’s sake.

He’s another Nat Party prog.
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September 29, 2013 9:33pm
Tom Jackson

Imagine the damage done to student’s minds.

One can only imagine the literacy-optional horror of a university where you set the curriculum.
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September 29, 2013 9:34pm
Redbaiter

Well yeah Tom, it might be real crazy-

Something like this maybe.

“How To Watch Television” (Montclair)
“Getting Dressed” (Princeton)
“Sport For The Spectator” (The Ohio State University)
“Cyberporn And Society” (State University of New York at Buffalo)
“The Textual Appeal of Tupac Shakur” (University of Washington)
“Oh, Look, a Chicken!” Embracing Distraction as a Way of Knowing (Belmont University) “Interrogating Gender: Centuries of Dramatic Cross-Dressing” (Swarthmore)
“Far Side Entomology” (Oregon State)
“Zombies In Popular Media” (Columbia College)
“The Feminist Critique Of Christianity” (The University Of Pennsylvania)
“Elvis As Anthology” (The University Of Iowa)
“Arguing with Judge Judy” (UC Berkeley)
“Learning From YouTube” (Pitzer College)
“The Science Of Superheroes” (UC Irvine) “Invented Languages: Klingon and Beyond” (The University Of Texas)
“Philosophy And Star Trek” (Georgetown) –
“Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame” (The University Of South Carolina)
“GaGa for Gaga: Sex, Gender, and Identity” (The University Of Virginia)
“God, Sex, Chocolate: Desire and the Spiritual Path” (UC San Diego)
“What If Harry Potter Is Real?” (Appalachian State University) –
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September 29, 2013 9:44pm
doggone7

Judith

I feel you find the postings of someone on here perplexing. Ponder someone who sees himself as having the perspicacity to have the answers, attitudes and intellect to tell us how we should be, how the world should be and the wit to put us all on the right path.

While reminding me of the Kyle Chapman it also reminds me that we are fortunate that in this fair country with all of its problems, that misanthropes and malcontents who throw venomous words around with such righteousness are diverted in minor media to show the most powerful sadness of their condition rather than by the horrific acts we some see on foreign shores.
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September 29, 2013 9:47pm
Kea

Red, you forgot to include : Creation Science 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:49pm
hj

wat dabney (3,002) Says:

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Some people prefer higher wages in smoky industrial cities.

Assume the smoke is compensated by the higher wages. How do you know the wages will be higher when the borders are thrown open?

Others prefer lower wages in the peace and quiet and the clean air of the countryside.

So how low will the wages be, given we are discussing open borders?

And many Kiwis want to live in London and New York.

But how many Kiwis want London or New York to live here?
When you open borders you take away Kiwis choice.
http://www.wired.com/design/2013/08/unbelievable-photographs-of-hong-kongs-crazy-high-rises/
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September 29, 2013 9:52pm
Redbaiter

“Judith I feel you find the postings of someone on here perplexing. ”

Hypnotizing is more like it.
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September 29, 2013 9:53pm
nasska

Or: “How to Survive a Lobotomy & Embrace Conservatism.” 🙂
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September 29, 2013 9:54pm
Kea

Unless the problem of the income gap is addressed, the left will continue to get stronger. The problem is not that some are too rich, it is that many are too poor. This sort of situation creates a breeding ground for the far left. Marxist doctrine depends on this situation to arise in order to bring socialist revolution.

The best thing the right can do to protect against this is to show some compassion and create the circumstances needed to improve the lot of those who are not doing so well. Simply demanding people pay their own way is not going to work.
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September 29, 2013 10:02pm
Redbaiter

Same old Bolshevik threats.

Give us money or we’ll kill you.

Who is surprised at this coming from Kea?

Get a job you pathetic commie loser.
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September 29, 2013 10:05pm
mikenmild

Surely it must be cocoa time for Reddy? Or is he up late during the school holidays?
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September 29, 2013 10:10pm
Kea

Red, it is not about me, or you. My comments are an observation of actual events. You will find no example of prosperous societies, where everyone has enough, turning to communism. It does not happen. It only happens when people are on their knees economically and socially.

Key is smart enough to see that. You are as dumb as a sack of hammers and do not see it.

Not sure why you think I am unemployed, but I am pretty sure you are. 🙂
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September 29, 2013 10:20pm
hj

Greek police arrest leader of far-right Golden Dawn

after the killing of an anti-fascist rapper by a party supporter triggered outrage and protests across the country.
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The detainees were taken under high security to the prosecutors’ office. They are expected to be charged officially on evidence linking the party with a string of attacks, including the stabbing of the rapper on September 17 and the killing of an immigrant last year, court officials told Reuters.
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Police also confiscated two guns and a hunting rifle from Mihaloliakos’ home, saying he did not have a licence for them.
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The party, whose emblem resembles a swastika, rose from obscurity to enter parliament last year after promising to mine Greece’s borders to prevent illegal immigrants from entering. Its members have been seen giving Nazi-style salutes but the party rejects the neo-Nazi label.

Human rights’ groups have accused the party of being linked to attacks on immigrants but this is the first time it is being is investigated for evidence linking it to an attack.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/275054/greek-police-arrest-leader-far-right-golden-dawn

Why weren’t the Greens arrested; they were linked to the Urewera arrestees?
All it takes is a party opposed to immigration and a nutter who may or may not be a member but probably is. The message would be that it is illegal to form a party opposed to immigration?
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September 29, 2013 10:22pm
Dennis Horne

http://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/how-the-fat-cats-first-learned-to-get-even-fatter-8779808.html

Ferdinand Mount (Baronet) writes, Evening Standard, Thursday August 22:

How the fat cats first learned to get even fatter

… Those who benefit would have you believe that these are the pay rates required to attract and retain talent in the global market. But is this true? In many cases, as John Kenneth Galbraith, that quizzical Harvard economist, wisecracked, “the salary of the chief executive of the large corporation is not a market reward for achievement. It is frequently in the nature of a warm personal gesture by the individual to himself.”

But even Galbraith never quite identified the exact process by which the chief executive managed to convince his board and shareholders that he had to be rewarded so handsomely if he was not to dawdle or defect. When I tried to trace how it all began in my book The New Few, I did not imagine that it would be possible to pin down a single source of the mischief.

Now a new book by New York journalist Duff McDonald fingers the guilty party. In The Firm, a history of the giant management consultant McKinsey, McDonald argues that this was never a natural economic process. It was essentially the work of one man. In 1951, General Motors hired a McKinsey consultant called Arch Patton to conduct a comparative study of executive “compensation”, as they so delicately call their wodge. [continues]

It is highly relevant that there should have been a someone who started it. For this suggests it was not an ineluctable historical process but a matter of fashion.
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September 29, 2013 10:28pm
Redbaiter

“Red, it is not about me,”

Its always about you.

It is your political and intellectual vacuity that makes you imagine such scenarios are realistic and or inevitable.

Just another childlike brain damaged Prog.
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September 29, 2013 10:31pm
Kea

No red I am not imagining. Those things did happen all over the world and have happened repeatedly when certain conditions exist. Conditions you seem unable to address.
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September 29, 2013 10:37pm
Harriet

Judith (3,977) Says:
September 29th, 2013 at 9:12 pm
@ nasska

A plant from the Greens you reckon? Here I was thinking he was representing the Bolshevik Ballet, perhaps even a lead dancer?

The natural born killer is out talking tough.

Ever shot a dog, a sheep or a cattle beast before Judith?
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September 29, 2013 10:39pm
cha

Why weren’t the Greens arrested; they were linked to the Urewera arrestees?

Let me guess – a parliamentary candidate didn’t say “we are ready to open the ovens. We will turn them into soap … to wash cars and pavements. We will make lamps from their skin.”.
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http://map.crisis-scape.net/
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September 29, 2013 10:59pm
hj

“Let me guess – a parliamentary candidate didn’t say “we are ready to open the ovens. We will turn them into soap … to wash cars and pavements. We will make lamps from their skin.”.”
…………………

Suspect tells another it would be good to kill Pakeha to get trainees used to killing. Also suggests making their own tracer ammunition and using tungsten projectiles to go through a “cop vest” and through “his f…… mate”.
Bug in vehicle, recorded April 6, 2007.

So you get individuals on specific things but you can’t just link as when a party member acts unilaterally. GD deny being neo Nazi which indicates they don’t want to be seen as such, which indicates going down that road will loose them support. It isn’t the neo Nazi bit the left worry about (the argument is done and dusted) it is opposition to immigration. Wait for David Farrar’s post tomorrow with ” Tag NZ First.
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September 29, 2013 11:57pm
Azeraph

Idiot people think they can hide in the bush, 2 islands man, eventually they have to come out. It’s too hard to try and run any sort small grouping here. There’s no place to go and they will know this so it will be the stupid true believer element that will try and walk that road and that is a very small sample.
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September 30, 2013 6:03am
Kea

http://map.crisis-scape.net/

cha there is a problem with that map and it is a big one. The incidents are not shown to be linked to Golden Dawn or even Greek on immigrant crime. The attackers could just as easily have been immigrants themselves and that map could be used as proof that immigration increases crime. One of the incidents was a guy getting arrested by police… for what I wonder ?
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September 30, 2013 6:55am
Kea

These are Red and kowtows heroes. Loved how the people of the USA could not name a country starting with U and thought that Israel was Catholic or Muslim. 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6W3T7MTh4M
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September 30, 2013 7:12am
Azeraph

Kea

A dictator should be set up until there is a rising. We are tribal beings even in this day and age or let the military take over.
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September 30, 2013 7:15am
Kea

Azeraph , what are you on about ?
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September 30, 2013 7:19am
Azeraph

Kea

Greece.
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September 30, 2013 7:26am
Azeraph

Kea

That tubevid only shows that those people were in auto mode, just going about their business and were receptive rather than formulative. we would probably get the same here.
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