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Kea

bereal, as you wish. I still have my memories 🙂

Please enlighten us with your “life experience” since mine seems so unconvincing ….
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September 19, 2013 8:29pm
nasska

One of them sounded like a Welsh poetry recital JB.
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September 19, 2013 8:31pm
Redbaiter

How atheists became the most colossally smug and annoying people on the planet (by an atheist)

When did atheists become so teeth-gratingly annoying? Surely non-believers in God weren’t always the colossal pains in the collective backside that they are today? Surely there was a time when you could say to someone “I am an atheist” without them instantly assuming you were a smug, self-righteous loather of dumb hicks given to making pseudo-clever statements like, “Well, Leviticus also frowns upon having unkempt hair, did you know that?”

Things are now so bad that I tend to keep my atheism to myself, and instead mumble something about being a very lapsed Catholic if I’m put on the spot, for fear that uttering the A-word will make people think I’m a Dawkins drone with a mammoth superiority complex and a hives-like allergy to nurses wearing crucifixes.
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September 19, 2013 8:32pm
Redbaiter

How atheists became the most colossally smug and annoying people on the planet (by an atheist)

So, what’s gone wrong with atheism? The problem isn’t atheism itself, of course, which is just non-belief, a nothing, a lack of something. Rather it is the transformation of this nothing into an identity, into the basis of one’s outlook on life, which gives rise to today’s monumentally annoying atheism. The problem with today’s campaigning atheists is that they have turned their absence of belief in God into the be-all and end-all of their personality.
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September 19, 2013 8:34pm
Kea

Women from societies that make a big deal out of sex-as-sin are usually great lovers. They do tend to swing between rampant sex kitten and pious pain in the arse, but it is well worth it. That seems to apply regardless of the particular brand of religious affliction. One can only speculate about a certain friend of Jesus that haunts this very blog 🙂
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September 19, 2013 8:36pm
mikenmild

Best religious choice is to be a proud pastafarian, especially on today’s most holy holiday.
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September 19, 2013 8:38pm
nasska

Merry Spaghetti to you too mikenmild. 🙂
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September 19, 2013 8:39pm
Kea

Red,

How about you go to your nearest atheist center where they meet weekly and share your cut n paste ? How about you approach all those atheist preachers on the telly, or the ones spreading their message all over the world ? Or maybe to one of those war zones where atheists are attacking theists to spread atheism ?

Or maybe you should just stop being a jumped up angry little prick …. 🙂
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September 19, 2013 8:41pm
Redbaiter

Nasska has nothing to say about anything but religion, and uses GD to bore readers stupid with his one track bullshit.

On the few occasions he has a comment on some other issue it is trite hackneyed rubbish that has such a childlike style it leads to the impression that while the smug fool is so busy calling other commenters retards, he is most likely one himself.

Retards occur a little more frequently in the hillbilly community, for reasons that are pretty well known.
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September 19, 2013 8:43pm
Kea

Red, It is a little known fact that Lucy is an atheist… about all the thousands of gods every invented, except one. The only difference is I believe in one less than her 🙂
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September 19, 2013 8:43pm
Kea

~~Nasska~~ Red has nothing to say about anything but ~~religion~~ Nasska, and uses GD to bore readers stupid with his one track bullshit.
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September 19, 2013 8:45pm
Kea

Study shows religious people are less intelligent than non-believers

August 13, 2013
“Religious people are less intelligent than non-believers, according to a recently released scientific study. A systematic meta-analysis of 63 studies conducted between 1928 and 2012 show a significant negative association between intelligence and religiosity.”

http://www.examiner.com/article/study-shows-religious-people-are-less-intelligent-than-non-believers
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September 19, 2013 8:47pm
Redbaiter

How atheists became the most colossally smug and annoying people on the planet (by an atheist)

Atheism merely signals what you don’t believe in, not what you do believe in. It’s a negative. And therefore, basing your entire worldview on it is bound to generate immense amounts of negativity. Where earlier generations of the Godless viewed their atheism as a pretty minor part of their personality, or at most as the starting point of their broader identity as socialists or humanists or whatever, today’s ostentatiously Godless folk constantly declare “I am an atheist!” as if that tells you everything you need to know about a person, when it doesn’t.
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September 19, 2013 8:48pm
nasska

Cover for me for a bit will you Kea? I’m through with being an atheist…..since it’s a full moon I’m going to dance naked on a bed of skulls after sacrificing a goat and eating its spleen. 🙂
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September 19, 2013 8:48pm
Kea

nasska, it is mooncake night too. A Chinese thing.

I will keep an eye out for the resident Taliban for you. 😉
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September 19, 2013 8:50pm
thedavincimode

Russell, it must be painful, I understand your anger and frustration but for your own sake, get help. Don’t be so proud.
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September 19, 2013 8:51pm
Redbaiter

A review of 63 scientific studies has concluded that non-believers are more smug than religious people.

The paper, entitled ‘The Relation Between Smugness and Religiosity: An Analysis For Stupid People Who Believe In God And Fairies And Things’, was published by a team at the University Of Self-Righteousness in New York.

They found that atheists’ feelings of superiority stemmed from a number of sources – including the reading of Richard Dawkins books, the behaviour of the Catholic Church, and studies showing that non-believers are more intelligent.

Atheists have been surprisingly happy with the findings. One told HuffPost UK Comedy: “This study just proves what we knew all along”.
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September 19, 2013 8:52pm
Kea

“Atheism merely signals what you don’t believe in, not what you do believe in.”

Red, Yes. I have said so myself many times. Atheism is a default position and not any sort of statement about anything. You can predict nothing about a person by them being an atheist.

BUT…

How do you then explain you attributing certain views, outlooks and behaviors to “atheists” ? It is a massive contradiction. Atheist may have numerous and varied views but they are not expressed by being an atheist. It is irrelevant.
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September 19, 2013 8:54pm
Redbaiter

Oh Kevin, you’re back and you’re (of course) posting on Redbaiter again, you poor sick puppy.

Didn’t you read the thread about Clayton Cosgrove and his obsession with Gerry Brownlee?
You need to.

It describes you perfectly you sick little deranged coward.
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September 19, 2013 8:55pm
nasska

That’s great Baity. At last….something original! 🙂
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September 19, 2013 8:56pm
Kea

Survey: Atheists, Agnostics Know More About Religion Than Religious

The Pew Forum on Religious Religion and Public Life released a survey on religious knowledge today. Atheists and Agnostics scored higher on it than anyone else, closely followed by Jews and Mormons, all Christians, Protestants and Catholics, were far behind.

That’s overall, but when you get into specific religions it does show a startling lack of basic knowledge by practitioners.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2010/09/28/130191248/atheists-and-agnostics-know-more-about-bible-than-religious
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September 19, 2013 8:57pm
Redbaiter

God preserve me from smug atheists and dodgy studies

As an atheist, I take exception to the claim that my views are the product of my intelligence. Like many others, I exercised my capacity for moral autonomy and made an existential choice.

I believe that I made an intelligent choice not to believe. But I don’t think that atheism can be equated with intelligence, any more than religion with stupidity.

Why? Because the experience of life shows that the ranks of atheists have their fair share of idiots.

If you doubt my words, launch a research study that does a content analysis of their tweets.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/opinion/news-analysis/god-preserve-me-from-smug-atheists-and-dodgy-studies-29500410.html
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September 19, 2013 8:59pm
Kea

“A review of 63 scientific studies has concluded that non-believers are more smug than religious people.

The paper, entitled ‘The Relation Between Smugness and Religiosity: An Analysis For Stupid People Who Believe In God And Fairies And Things’, was published by a team at the University Of Self-Righteousness in New York.

Red, I can’t seem to find any reference to that study. Can you please provide a link ? it may signal a turning point in my journey to salvation and I do not want to miss the opportunity LOL 🙂
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September 19, 2013 9:00pm
thedavincimode

Seems like you’re running out of puff Russell. You’ve been on auto-loop for your last 15,000 posts. Things a bit slow over at your little hate-fest. You’ll never crack the 3,000,000th mark if you spend all your time over here so why don’t you go back and keep Larry and Moe company?
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September 19, 2013 9:01pm
Kea

thedavincimode , Red missed you. We can tell he did 🙂
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September 19, 2013 9:02pm
Redbaiter

“That’s great Baity. At last….something original!”

See how misplaced your smugness is Narsekissa? You’re so stupid you’re accusing others of not posting original stuff when all you post is links to smug unfunny pics.

Hypocritical dumbfuck.
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September 19, 2013 9:06pm
Redbaiter

Kevin you’re just a slimy little coward with nothing to say.

Do you have any kind of point ever?

(apart from when you come home to nasska’s welcoming embrace)
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September 19, 2013 9:07pm
thedavincimode

Kea

He has seemed even more overwrought than usual lately. Perhaps the reality of the complete failure of his 20 year master plan has dawned on him. Perhaps that explains his obsession with the mano a mano anal thing. His world appears to have imploded in a frenzied avalanche of bum sex.
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September 19, 2013 9:07pm
thedavincimode

Do you have any kind of point ever?

Actually Russell, I rely upon you to make my point for me. You’ll be pleased to know that you never disappoint.
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September 19, 2013 9:09pm
Redbaiter

You’re just a dribbling fool Kevin. No wonder Key had to let you go. So much of that queer bitchiness always on display, I’ll bet you annoyed hell out of the team constantly.
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September 19, 2013 9:12pm
Kea

Red, still waiting to hear how you can attribute so many specific beliefs to atheists, who you then go on to claim make no statement of belief and you can tell nothing about them ?

Seems there can only be three possible answers:

1. You are full of shit.

2. You are full of shit and not too bright.

3. You are full of shit and not too bright and defend Christians without understanding the issues, just to appear a good “conservative”.
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September 19, 2013 9:12pm
mikenmild

Reddy’s just built up a head of steam for his last hour on GD before Mum calls cocoa time.
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September 19, 2013 9:13pm
Redbaiter

Gerry Brownlee on Clayton Cosgrove-

“It is quite clear that the man thinks of nothing else but me.”
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September 19, 2013 9:14pm
thedavincimode

Reddy’s just built up a head of steam for his last hour on GD before ~~Mum calls cocoa time~~ heading off to work
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September 19, 2013 9:20pm
Redbaiter

I guess that is just one more trite clichéd boring and self infatuated illustration you would beg me to look at Kevin, except I don’t have the slightest curiosity about whatever it may be. You’re just too predictable, and I know if I did click on your no doubt infantile link, I would only be disappointed again by its anticlimatic nature.

You’re like too many queers Kevin, a self infatuated smug bore, and being so, it makes it obvious why you and Nasska are such loving friends. So much in common.
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September 19, 2013 9:25pm
nasska

The smell of vaseline & mutton fat every time he farted would be a dead give away Davinci. 🙂
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September 19, 2013 9:26pm
Redbaiter

Not surprising to find you and Kevin are apparently familiar with that smell Narsekissa.
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September 19, 2013 9:29pm
Kea

Red, Speaking of “loving friends” do you and kowtow use condoms ? I just wonder with kowtow being catholic and your mutual fixations on homo man love.
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September 19, 2013 9:30pm
Hair Removal Specialist

David cunliffe from the standard gust post the other day:

“In no particular order, and off the top of my head, core elements of a post-GFC modern social democratic alternative must include:– using the power of the State to intervene when markets fail, just as I did when I broke the old Telecom monopoly as Minister for ICT, splitting the company into three, beefing up the Commerce Commission and getting cheaper broadband and phone calls to consumers”

Oh that’s right, telecom was the result of market failure, it was not a govt monopoly. Lying cunliffe.
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September 19, 2013 9:31pm
thedavincimode

I would only be disappointed again

… from the person who never clicks on those links …
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September 19, 2013 9:34pm
mikenmild

HRS
The old Post Office could be seen as a government response to market failure – a need for the state to provide essential services that the private sector couldn’t or wouldn’t. Possibly the error in privatising Telecom was a failure to ensure adequate competition.
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September 19, 2013 9:36pm
chiz

A pirate insult generator.
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September 19, 2013 9:36pm
Redbaiter

“from the person who never clicks on those links”

That’s right I don’t.

It must be hard for someone as self infatuated as yourself to believe Kevin, but I honestly have not one skerrick of curiosity about what ever trite and clichéd attempt at humour you might be attempting to draw my attention to.

You just don’t get what an insufferable pompous smug bore you come across as do you?
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September 19, 2013 9:37pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Mikeinmild – telecom was a govt creation no matter how u spin it.
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September 19, 2013 9:38pm
mikenmild

Yarr stripey sweatered heathen!
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September 19, 2013 9:39pm
mikenmild

HRS
Telecom was a government-owned monopoly provider of telecommunications. Should it have been privatised in such an uncompetitive market?
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September 19, 2013 9:41pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Mikemild – you miss the point. Telecom was govt created, not market created. It is a lie.
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September 19, 2013 9:45pm
mikenmild

Yes, Telecom was government created – as a response to market failure – as at the time of its creation (as Post & Telegraph) only the government was in a position to provide essential communication services.
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September 19, 2013 9:49pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Mikenmild – so in summary, the govt had to create a telecoms monopoly due to their being a market failure and then split the telecoms monopoly that it had created due to market failure. That makes sense.
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September 19, 2013 9:54pm
mikenmild

Correct. Different forms of market failure, of course.
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September 19, 2013 9:55pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Yes, the earlier one which was before my time and which I know nothing about may have been a result of market failure to provide essential telecoms services as you put it – some of the older posters here may or may not disagree with that. The more recent one being the decommission of a govt created monopoly, which is so clearly a govt created issue, to call it market failure is just a lie. Maybe if the telecoms market had never been regulated in the first place with the creation of a govt monopoly and just been allowed to develop it would never had needed decommissioning in the first place.
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September 19, 2013 10:05pm
mikenmild

Maybe, but that just ignores the reality that modern telecommunications could never have developed so quickly in NZ without government ownership. That state-owned monopoly eventually led to other problems, which were addressed by a sequence of corporatisation, privatisation and, latterly, market regulation.
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September 19, 2013 10:21pm
EAD

“Whenever destroyers appear among men, they start by destroying money, for money is men’s protection and the base of a moral existence. Destroyers seize gold and leave to its owners a counterfeit pile of paper.

This kills all objective standards and delivers men into the arbitrary power of an arbitrary setter of values. Gold was an objective value, an equivalent of wealth produced. Paper is a mortgage on wealth that does not exist, backed by a gun aimed at those who are expected to produce it.

Paper is a check drawn by legal looters upon an account which is not theirs: upon the virtue of the victims. Watch for the day when it bounces, marked,
‘Account overdrawn.’

“When you have made evil the means of survival, do not expect men to remain good. Do not expect them to stay moral and lose their lives for the purpose of becoming the fodder of the immoral. Do not expect them to produce, when production is punished and looting rewarded.
Do not ask, ‘Who is destroying the world? You are.”

Excerpt from “Francisco’s Money Speech”
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September 19, 2013 10:44pm
Hair Removal Specialist

David cunliffe’s point and my post was not about the speed of development of nz’s telecoms industry so I don’t know what the point you raise has to do with the price of fish. And even addressing your point seems pointless when you seem to know everything. You are actually claiming that something that has actually happened (govt reg of telecoms) is better (speed of development of the industry) than a theoretical alternative (a free market telecoms industry) that never existed. Can you tell what is going to happen in the future too?
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September 19, 2013 10:44pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Ead, yes morals were so much better in the good ole days when there was no paper money. In fact, I don’t think anybody even committed any types of crime back then either. If only we could return to those good ole days.
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September 19, 2013 10:49pm
Sidey

And we have a new troll.
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September 19, 2013 11:03pm
LabourDoesntWork

Re: atheist vs theist IQ.

Not much was useful in the story quoted; nothing more than a headline – “Study shows religious people are less intelligent than non-believers”. That’s enough to get the stupid atheists to take this headline alone as evidence that they, personally, are real [sic] smart.

The atheist IQ advantage is about the same as that of males over females – about 5 points. It’s even less significant than the IQ difference between whites and blacks. Given that atheists tend to be male and white or Jewish this alone would account for a higher than average IQ among atheists.

Despite statistically superior atheist IQ, because there are so many more religious people than irreligious people, there are considerably more highly intelligent religious people than there are highly intelligent irreligious people or “Brights”. (their term)

Interestingly, most atheists have sub-normal intelligence:
http://voxday.blogspot.com/2011/01/most-atheists-have-sub-normal.html
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September 19, 2013 11:09pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Sidey, good observation. I gave u a thumbs up for that one. Bravo.
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September 19, 2013 11:13pm
EAD

Mr Specialist,

To avoid any confusion, gold backed money should not be confused with money made of paper. The good ole days meant the paper money was actually claim on a real world resource – one which was limited in supply and thus had value. As people became more productive, prices actually fell as more goods are produced against a limited money supply. Hard work & saving is thus rewarded and society is a more moral society.

When I refer to “paper money” in the modern sense, it means money produced at a key stroke (mostly by banks) that requires no effort to produce and is constantly expanding in size (a so called “elastic” supply). Despite productivity improving over 300% over the past 40 years, 90% of people are actually poorer in real terms as banks produce more and more money against a supply of goods that does not increase as fast. That is why the cost of everything seems to always get ratcheted up as the currency is continually debased. Elastic money rewards those that create the money (banks), those that gain from speculation and it enables the massive expansion of the welfare state which has led to an explosion in crime as the lower class are now get better rewarded doing nothing than producing wealth (at least until money is completely destroyed).

So yes, paper (elastic) money does destroy morality and increase crime but like most you don’t understand cause and effect.
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September 19, 2013 11:20pm
Hair Removal Specialist

Ead, I wondered why my Zimbabwe billion dollar note didn’t buy me much. Clearly a case of banks just making a key stroke.
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September 19, 2013 11:31pm
Left Right and Centre

LRC, must be difficult to get about with your lips firmly fixed on Kea’s dick the way they are.

Now now, jealousy is an ugly colour. I really want to suck a real man’s hard-on, like yours Russell. That’s why I’ve been practicing on a small straw using three second increments.
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September 20, 2013 2:34am
big bruv

“Oh Kevin, you’re back and you’re (of course) posting on Redbaiter again, ”

Oh oh…. narcissist alert!
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September 20, 2013 6:54am
Kea

LabourDoesntWork , I loved the quote at the end of your comment. It destroyed the entire argument you made above it and provided further evidence of the theists feeble intellect. 🙂
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