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thedavincimode

Shame on the people that ticked Ian McK’s 8:54am comment.

Shame on you for not being able to work out who they are.
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September 12, 2013 6:03pm
hj

Viking2 (9,924) Says:
September 12th, 2013 at 5:44 pm
so the crap is hitting the fan in aussie.
Unemployment rate at highest level in four years
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that’s good as population increase is government policy; we’ll take them and their ideas and innovations will move the country forward. The new buzz word in government circles is the idea economy.
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September 12, 2013 6:05pm
Redbaiter

“why can’t we get more god-botherers declared insane!?”

Yes, Werner Von Braun and Albert Einstein should never have been set free in your civilized society.
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September 12, 2013 6:07pm
Redbaiter

“Shame on you for not being able to work out who they are.”

The same people who upvote like smears against Christian clerics?
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September 12, 2013 6:09pm
Griff

Would it be KBs complement of suppressed bum bonkers supporting Ian Mcarse?
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September 12, 2013 6:13pm
liarbors a joke

“Shame on the people that ticked Ian McK’s 8:54am comment.”

I ticked it.

Up ya bum.
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September 12, 2013 6:14pm
Kea

The same people who upvote like smears against Christian clerics?

Telling the truth is not considered a smear by decent people. Your defense of predatory serial child rapists is noted though.
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September 12, 2013 6:23pm
hj

Lucky Redbaiter wasn’t born in Pakistan eh (if daddy had a beard etc)?
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September 12, 2013 6:23pm
liarbors a joke

another fool nz judge..KIT TOOGOOD..loser.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/9158298/Acquittal-in-security-guards-death
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September 12, 2013 6:26pm
kowtow

Lucky hj wasn’t born in Pakistan eh……. (he wouldn’t allow himself to emigrate to Aotearoa and pitch his tent here).
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September 12, 2013 6:29pm
Kea

Right wing Christian Conservative news, leading us to a more moral society !

he Parole Board has described a proposal paedophile Graham Capill be freed early from prison so he can be assessed for a sex offenders’ programme as “novel”.

Capill, a former head of the Christian Heritage political party and a former police prosecutor, is serving a nine-year jail sentence for the sexual violation of three young girls, aged between five and 11.

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Only a few years ago, Haggard was among the most prominent evangelical leaders in the country. But he fell from grace after a drug and sex scandal involving a gay male prostitute was exposed in 2006. The scandal forced him to resign as pastor of the 14,000-member New Life Church in Colorado Springs and as president of the National Association of Evangelicals.

Ted Haggard Is Back: Gay Sex, Drug Scandal Can’t Keep Evangelical Leader Down
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September 12, 2013 6:31pm
hj

The defence case was that the accused was being blamed for the murder by the other three men, who belonged to the same gang.

“There is something of a mystery here,” Justice Toogood said.

“What is clear is that one of these four men must have killed Mr Dhaliwal.”

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I think we have to face the fact that people can get off when it isn’t proven. It isn’t enough that there were four bad eggs there as in anyone will do to be the guilty one.
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September 12, 2013 6:36pm
Kea

Catholic Clergy news.

Priest admits rape of more children

By JOANNE McCARTHY Aug. 1, 2013, 1raped a boy with a cane at a Hunter Catholic school in 1979, smiled as he said “this is for being a cry baby”, and then caned the sobbing boy’s hands.

Father John Denham was in his 30s when he raped a 12-year-old boy across a school desk in 1977 and left him bleeding but silenced after threatening to tell the boy’s violent father.

Denham targeted boys whose families were stricken by recent tragedy, gave them alcohol and molested them.

He used the school intercom to call victims to his room, fondled boys as they read religious texts in front of class, and molested a boy as he prayed on his knees while in church.

In a Sydney court yesterday Denham, 70, said the word “guilty” 25 times to confirm another 18 victims, only three years after pleading guilty to molesting 39 boys.

No use voting me down god nutters. This is all cut and paste of admitted offending. !!! 🙁
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September 12, 2013 6:37pm
mikenmild

LAJ
Feel free to explain how the judge forced the jury to make an acquittal…
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September 12, 2013 6:37pm
Redbaiter

So glad Lucia finally woke up to what a pathetic try hard troll Kea is.

That was so painful to watch.
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September 12, 2013 6:38pm
liarbors a joke

Hang them all…easy really. Filty bl*** scum , just going to be a burden on society.
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September 12, 2013 6:38pm
liarbors a joke

do your own homework mikeymilk
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September 12, 2013 6:40pm
hj

What I’m saying about Redbaiter is that if Red was born in Pakistan and Daddy Red leaned over his cot with his muslim beard he would be a staunch defender of the faith since religiosity is inherited (according to studies of identical twins separated at birth)..
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September 12, 2013 6:40pm
mikenmild

LAJ
You’re the one making the accusations, so the onus is surely on you to justify the mouthing off.
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September 12, 2013 6:45pm
Kea

So glad Lucia finally woke up to what a pathetic try hard troll Kea is.

That was so painful to watch.

It shows how gone in the head Red is that he considers me presenting the truth as the problem, but has nothing to say about depraved child rapists. Not a word about that. Nothing. And he has the cheek to questions the morals of the “progs” !

Red refuses to speak out against little boys being cruelly sodomised by Catholic Priests, but you can not shut him up about a couple of adult men being in a consensual relationship. This shows the true morality of the Conservatives he claims to represent. Not a principle in sight. Just hate, bias, hypocrisy and lies.

Red, Lucy & kowtow can busy themselves frantically reinforcing each others delusions, but decent folk know the truth. So knock yourselves out and be very thankful there is no hell for you to burn in.
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September 12, 2013 6:54pm
Weihana

Andrei (2,177) Says:
September 12th, 2013 at 5:47 pm

LOL Weihana, Putin and Lavrov are running rings around Obama and Kerry.

The weapons inspectors were in Syria when the latest attacks occurred because the Russians submitted a 100 page report to the UN showing the rebels had used CW in May and they were there to verify it And quite “coincidentally” the day they arrive there is another CW attack occurs just a few miles from where the weapons inspectors are staying which diverts them from their primary mission and immediately gets blamed on Assad who must be really dumb to do this under the noses of the inspectors? Cue Tui ad

Under the noses of the inspectors? The inspectors can only go where the government permits them to go and they were not permitted to visit the scene of the attacks until several days afterwards.
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September 12, 2013 6:57pm
Griff

Bait is an~~Authoritarian nutter without God as an excuse.~~ agnostic kea .
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September 12, 2013 7:07pm
hj

Cambell Live on dog fighting they reckon it is a million dollar business and the spread it over the internet via moving trucks (not sure about the technology.
a. I wonder if the GCSB would help catch the scum?
b. why choose a pitbull as a pet anyway?
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September 12, 2013 7:19pm
Lucia Maria

Red,

it was painful on this end as well. Especially the last few days, up until then I thought there might have been hope.
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September 12, 2013 7:20pm
dad4justice

There are few no hopes round these traps I can tell you.
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September 12, 2013 7:24pm
hj

My objection to religion is a function of the degree to which it’s truths obstruct critical thinking and the consequences for society.
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September 12, 2013 7:25pm
Lucia Maria

Hi Dad,

Yep.

Good to see you around again! Have you been alright?
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September 12, 2013 7:26pm
dad4justice

Hi Lucia, all good had a busy year at work.
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September 12, 2013 7:27pm
mikenmild

I’m not sure this came up earlier today in GD, but I found it fascinating:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9157719/Treasury-cautions-against-Tiwai-sweetener
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September 12, 2013 7:28pm
Andrei

The inspectors can only go where the government permits them to go and they were not permitted to visit the scene of the attacks until several days afterwards.

Um Weihana you are aware that we are not talking about gaining access to Aotea Square in Auckland but a rebel held area in a war zone where a battle was raging aren’t you? And you are also aware that the Syrian Government were responsible for the safety of the inspectors and would be held accountable if something bad was to happen to them?

And even after the area concerned was secured by the Syrian Government the inspectors were fired upon as they tried to enter it the first time and were forced to retreat?

This is all public knowledge if you want to find it out but if you want the Syrian Government to look as bad as possible these are facts you omit in telling the tale
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September 12, 2013 7:29pm
Kea

Lucy, you are full of shit and have no principles.

All that is required to reveal that is to simply reverse the religions. Eg; your remarkable statement that people should just submit when invaded. But not if they are Jews or Christian. So it clear you have no principles.

You were caught out lying yesterday and when corrected with historical facts you then made personal attacks on me and tried to change the subject. I am referring to your lie that the Phillipines are under invasion by Muslims, when in fact the Muslim country was attacked and invaded by Catholics. There are no Christian countries under attack by Muslim armies.

Your pitiful attempts to claim the moral high ground lack any credibility against your proven back ground of being an unprincipled liar. But all is not lost. You simply need to accept the truth. You can still maintain your religious beliefs and although the bible is a pretty dark and hideous book, I am pretty sure it does not tell you to lie.
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September 12, 2013 7:33pm
big bruv

Game, set and match Kea.
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September 12, 2013 7:38pm
big bruv

Hey D4J. Good to see you back.
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September 12, 2013 7:39pm
Kea

Griff, I can not stand “agnostics”. Of course we can not prove 100% if god exists or not. Philosophically I am well aware of that argument. However the same can be said of the Tooth Fairy, Magic Dragons and rather a lot else. Yet cowards (Like Red) do not claim to be “agnostic” on those things.

If you have no evidence for something why believe in it or be in doubt over its existence. Agnostic = gutless coward.

The term “atheist” annoys me to. We are born atheists. It is the default position. We do not say we are “atheists” about Magic Dragons etc, so why god ? Non belief in something for which there is no evidence is not a belief system. I am not an “atheist” to make a statement or to annoy theists. It is simply about telling the truth, as opposed to living a lie and ending up like Lucy.

Fuck that !
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September 12, 2013 7:42pm
nasska

That was some storm. There are trees blown out of the ground throughout the Wairarapa, three truck trailers blown over & the bloody power’s been off for thirty six hours. Phone line’s been out for most of the day.

I’m a cellphone away from being Amish.
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September 12, 2013 7:50pm
OneTrack

Mikenmild @7:28 – Not sure why. We voted in the government to run the country, not a bunch of public servants in Treasury.
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September 12, 2013 7:51pm
big bruv

Kea.

I share your dislike of gutless agnostics. However, I have to say that once humans pass the age of childhood there is very little reason for them to hide behind the term Atheist either.

I much prefer the term anti-theist, I can find no better way of describing my attitude towards the communal delusion that is religion than anti-theist.
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September 12, 2013 7:56pm
Weihana

Andrei (2,178) Says:
September 12th, 2013 at 7:29 pm

Um Weihana you are aware that we are not talking about gaining access to Aotea Square in Auckland but a rebel held area in a war zone where a battle was raging aren’t you? And you are also aware that the Syrian Government were responsible for the safety of the inspectors and would be held accountable if something bad was to happen to them?

And even after the area concerned was secured by the Syrian Government the inspectors were fired upon as they tried to enter it the first time and were forced to retreat?

This is all public knowledge if you want to find it out but if you want the Syrian Government to look as bad as possible these are facts you omit in telling the tale

And this is why they feel free to use them, because people will believe them without a shred of evidence to support their claims and it is common knowledge that the American public is in no mood for war.

Human Rights Watch has investigated alternative claims that opposition forces themselves were responsible for the August 21 attacks, and has found such claims lacking in credibility and inconsistent with the evidence found at the scene. Claims that the August 21 deaths were caused by an accidental explosion by opposition forces mishandling chemical weapons in their possession are inconsistent with large numbers of deaths at two locations 16 kilometers apart, and documentation of rocket attacks on the sites that morning, as evidenced by witness accounts, the damage visible on the rockets themselves, and their impact craters.

http://www.hrw.org/node/118724/section/2

http://www.hrw.org/news/2013/09/10/syria-government-likely-culprit-chemical-attack
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September 12, 2013 7:57pm
nasska

A Catholic priest is walking down the street when suddenly a sweating, greasy Turk accosts him.

“Pictures of little boys.” says the Turk.
“Go away, I’m not interested.” says the priest.
The Turk is persistent. “Go on – pictures of leetle boyssss!!!” he leers.
“I’m a man of God – go away!” yells the priest.
“Last chance – pictures of leetle boys!!!!!” sneers the Turk.
“Oh okay then,” sighs the priest, “how many do you want?”
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September 12, 2013 8:00pm
Kea

big bruv, As non belief in imaginary beings in not a belief system, I can not speak for other non believers, as I can make no predictions on what they might think.

But for me, it is simply about being honest, sincere and truthful. I do not believe in god. I do not hold that position simply to be a contrarian or to incite debate. Many theists seem to see that as a slap in the face, but what do they expect us to do ?:

1. Pretend to believe in god ?

2. Lie about belief in god ?

Because they are the only two choices an “atheist” has. I might add that I am strongly opposed to religion, but that is not the reason I am a non believer. I am a non believer because… I don’t believe. In fact many theists are opposed to organised religion for the same reasons I am.
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September 12, 2013 8:05pm
expat

You dirty unbeliever I bet you hate puppies too!
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September 12, 2013 8:13pm
mikenmild

One Track
I’d be interested in a rational case being made against the Treasury’s argument. Hard to fault the logic from what was reported in the article.
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September 12, 2013 8:13pm
big bruv

Kea.

I happen to agree with you on all of that. However I would go even a little bit further. I would not be a follower of the sky fairy even if it was proven that he/she/it did exist. Why would anybody would want to be a follower of a thing that could convict you of thought crimes?, why would you want to follow a thing that was so jealous, evil, hard hearted, uncaring, vain, cruel and narcissistic is something that I will never understand.

Their god is a dictator, one that will allow no debate nor will it allow itself to be questioned. I think the late Christopher Hitchens described religion (and the slavish following of the Sky fairy) best as akin to living in a celestial North Korea.
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September 12, 2013 8:16pm
Kea

expat, nah I can’t even bring myself to hate theists and I accept that creation of imaginary gods is a very human thing to do. But I do hate some of the things done because of religion. That stuff breaks my heart. It is absurd that the worst offenders all believe in the same god !
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September 12, 2013 8:16pm
Kea

big bruv , yes I agree. I was going to say that, but did not for the sake of brevity. I think a few on KB would benefit from reading Richard Dawkin’s book, The God Delusion. Not in the expectation that they would change their minds, but in the hope they would better understand the position of those who do not share their faith. Theists seem to have some rather colourful and inaccurate ideas about non believers. Personally I am not really all that interesting and are fairly conservative in my habits. 🙂
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September 12, 2013 8:23pm
big bruv

“Richard Dawkin’s book, The God Delusion.”

I would wager that neither the evil Lucia nor the deranged Redbaiter have read that book.

They strike me as being people who have never taken the time to read anything that would support the opposing argument.
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September 12, 2013 8:26pm
Viking2

A couple made a deal that whoever died first would come back and
inform the other if there is sex after death. Their biggest fear was
that there was no after life at all.

After a long life together, the husband was the first to die. True to
his word, he made the first contact:

” Marion …. Marion ”

“Is that you, Bob?”

“Yes, I’ve come back like we agreed.”

“That’s wonderful! What’s it like?”

“Well, I get up in the morning, I have sex. I have breakfast and then
it’s off to the golf course. I have sex again, bathe in the warm sun
and then have sex a couple of more times.. Then I have lunch (you’d be
proud – lots of greens). Another romp around the golf course, then
pretty much have sex the rest of the afternoon. After supper, it’s
back to golf course again. Then it’s more sex until late at night. I
catch some much needed sleep and then the next day it starts all over
again”

“Oh, Bob! Are you in Heaven?”

“No — I’m a rabbit somewhere in South Carolina.”
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September 12, 2013 8:30pm
Kea

big bruv, and that is why their arguments are so weak and shallow. The best christian apologists are familiar with the writing of Dawkins and Hitchens. They are [sometimes] able to raise some thought provoking ideas.

I have regular chats with a christian minister. He is a man I respect. Ultra conservative, ex army and very committed to his faith. We clearly disagree on the existence of god, but when the conversation turns to social and political issues of the day we find considerable common ground. Sometimes we agree for different reasons, but we do agree. He is better informed than Lucy or kowtow and is able to engage with non believers without demonising them. He also does not slag off all Muslims, though considers them misguided.
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September 12, 2013 8:37pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

You were caught out lying yesterday and when corrected with historical facts you then made personal attacks on me and tried to change the subject. I am referring to your lie that the Phillipines are under invasion by Muslims, when in fact the Muslim country was attacked and invaded by Catholics. There are no Christian countries under attack by Muslim armies.

You can’t be serious. Wow, the Philippines were Muslim and invaded by Catholics. Wow. How can you even type that with a straight face. I’m glad you explained it, because I didn’t realise what you meant when you kept saying I was lying. Wow. I’m stunned.

And yes, there are Christian countries under attack by Muslim armies. Foreign fighters pour into countries to aid the local Muslims in attacking the Christian majorities. Not proven in the Philippines yet, but give it time. Definitely evidence for that in Nigeria. And Syria, though that’s not a Christian majority country, but it does show how Muslim fighters operate to destabilise and overthrow a government.
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September 12, 2013 8:39pm
Kea

“Islam is the oldest recorded monotheistic religion in the Philippines. Islam reached the Philippines in the 14th century with the arrival of Muslim traders from the Persian Gulf, Southern India, and their followers from several sultanate governments in the Malay Archipelago.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_Philippines
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September 12, 2013 8:42pm
Lucia Maria

Yeah, read that Kea. Doesn’t say the the Philippines were entirely converted to Islam, though.
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September 12, 2013 8:48pm
UglyTruth

No one doubts that poison gas was used in Syria. But there is every reason to believe it was used not by the Syrian Army, but by opposition forces, to provoke intervention by their powerful foreign patrons

No evidence has been provided of this. There is no evidence they possess the weapons and even if they did no evidence that they would be capable of delivering it in a manner that would cause the massive death toll that occurred.

“Four months ago, Turkish security forces found a two-kilogram cylinder with sarin gas after searching the homes of Syrian militants from the al-Qaeda and al-Nusra. They are using our borders to take the gas into Syria,” Mohamad Gunes said.
http://syrianfreepress.wordpress.com/2013/09/05/breaking-former-turkish-provincial-official-chemical-weapons-sent-from-turkey-to-syria/
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September 12, 2013 8:53pm
expat

Lol, before the Spanish conquistadors arrived ya mean???!
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September 12, 2013 8:54pm
Kea

Lucy, Christianity was forced on the Muslim population by Christian invaders. it is documented historical fact. Accept it.

“Yeah, read that Kea. Doesn’t say the the Philippines were entirely converted to Islam, though.”

Stop being a smart arse. I made the point that no Christian country was under occupation from Muslim invaders and you claimed I was wrong and used the Philippines as an example of a Muslim invasion.

It was a lie and you should admit it.
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September 12, 2013 8:54pm
Reid

He is…able to engage with non believers without demonising them.

Tell us Kea. Do you say precisely the same things to him to his face, in the way you say them, that you say to all of us on this blog?
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September 12, 2013 8:56pm
Nostalgia-NZ

‘Kea (7,403) Says:
September 12th, 2013 at 8:37 pm
big bruv, and that is why their arguments are so weak and shallow. The best christian apologists are familiar with the writing of Dawkins and Hitchens. They are [sometimes] able to raise some thought provoking ideas.

I have regular chats with a christian minister. He is a man I respect. Ultra conservative, ex army and very committed to his faith. We clearly disagree on the existence of god, but when the conversation turns to social and political issues of the day we find considerable common ground. Sometimes we agree for different reasons, but we do agree. He is better informed than Lucy or kowtow and is able to engage with non believers without demonising them. He also does not slag off all Muslims, though considers them misguided.’

Whoops, I fell asleep. What time is the next sermon Billbob?
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September 12, 2013 8:57pm
Kea

expat, Lucy considers the Old Testament an accurate historical document. And present day reality will be seen through that lens then distorted to fit accordingly. You can not teach a god botherer anything as they think they already have the answer.
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September 12, 2013 8:57pm
chiz

New Zealand is the 13th happiest country in the world according to the UN world happiness report.

The list can be found on page 23 of the report and the first twenty are: Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Austria, Iceland, Australia, Israel, Costa Rica, NZ, UAE, panama, Mexico, USA, Ireland, Luxembourg, Venezuela.
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September 12, 2013 8:58pm
Andrei

Kea – you are so ignorant, abysmally so, the entire Middle East was Christian before the Muslims came and conquered it. The Christians who live in the ME today have lived there since the time of Christ.

Hagia Sophia was a Christian Church for 1000 years before the Turks conquered Constantinople and turned it into a Mosque etc etc etc
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September 12, 2013 9:00pm
Steve (North Shore)

I got sinus real bad, so I cheered myself up:
http://www.pictogame.com/en/play/game/jB3GFnCCKEPb_kick-trevor-mallard
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September 12, 2013 9:01pm
Reid

http://www.zengardner.com/the-naked-emperor-and-the-rise-of-truth/
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September 12, 2013 9:01pm
Kea

Reid, if he carried on like the resident Christian Taliban I would. He does not launch into personal attacks and he does not lie. He believes for real but accepts facts as facts. He would not (for example) lie about the Philippines being invaded by Muslims and understands that his religion came from the Middle East and not Alabama in the USA or England.
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September 12, 2013 9:03pm
Lucia Maria

Eg; your remarkable statement that people should just submit when invaded. But not if they are Jews or Christian.

Never said that.

What I said was:

I am not a moral relativist. (see this link for a transcript of a refutation of moral relativism by philosopher Peter Kreeft). Therefore I don’t think every situation is morally the same. So every situation needs to be evaluated far more deeply than just going, oh look, it’s the same as X-Y, just turned on it’s head to Y-X. Which is what you are trying to do with taking my examples and turning them around, implying that they are the same in some way.

Invasions by Muslims have always been detrimental, you only have to be a rudimentary student of history to see that. Obviously I would feel very different about an overwhelming force of Muslims, just like I would feel different about Nazis or Soviets, all of which need to be vigorously resisted because to not do so results in a worse outcome. How Muslims or Nazis or Soviets feel or think about what they are doing is therefore irrelevant.

And:

Compare Western nations that were built by Christians with nations captured by Islam from Christianity and what do you get? On the one hand, advanced modern nations and on the other backwards shit holes.

Your summary of what I said is far too simplistic and therefore wrong.
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September 12, 2013 9:03pm
Reid

the first twenty are: Denmark, Norway, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Sweden, Canada, Finland, Austria, Iceland, Australia, Israel, Costa Rica, NZ, UAE, panama, Mexico, USA, Ireland, Luxembourg, Venezuela.

I bet Israel won’t be so happy if she doesn’t get to make the US bomb the crap out of Syria.
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September 12, 2013 9:05pm
Redbaiter

“Game, set and match Kea.”

Hahahha.. the idiot bigot Bruv appoints himself objective arbitrator, apparently in complete ignorance of how farcical that assumption is.

Only a prog could be so childishly delusional.
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September 12, 2013 9:09pm
Kea

Andrei (2,179) Says:
September 12th, 2013 at 9:00 pm
Kea – you are so ignorant, abysmally so, the entire Middle East was Christian before the Muslims came

LOL 🙂 Remind readers where the “Muslims” “came” from ?

the entire Middle East was ~~Christian~~ Jewish before the ~~Muslims~~ Christians came

the entire Middle East was ~~Christian~~ polytheists before the ~~Muslims~~ Jews came

What a narrow minded fucking idiot ! 🙂
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September 12, 2013 9:13pm
Weihana

UglyTruth (1,570) Says:
September 12th, 2013 at 8:53 pm

From your cite:

America and Israel had al-Qaeda use chemical weapons in order to push us into war

Do you really believe that conspiracy BS?

Look at the evidence in the HRW report. The attacks involved Russian and Iranian rockets fired from launchers the opposition are not known to possess. Moreover, preparing the rockets for such an attack requires sophisticated teams to prepare the rockets for launch. Again, something the opposition is not known to have.

It’s like the world has entered some sort of alternate dimension where Putin, finder of sunken treasure, is suddenly the straight talker.
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September 12, 2013 9:13pm
Reid

Reid, if he carried on like the resident Christian Taliban I would.

Has it ever occurred that you carry on like the atheist Taliban Kea? Or don’t you care because you’re so up yourself you think your tiny, closed mind is superior to that of all the Christian theologians and practitioners who have ever lived?

Sorry if you think that’s hurtful, but that’s what you’ve been doing since you “graced” this blog with your “wisdom” and those of us who know a thing or two about Christianity sometimes find it hard to stand aside and let you launch scurrilous falsehoods left, right and centre with narry a thought or even a superficial nod to those who have made arguments over the centuries opposing and directly refuting your childishly naive and extremely shallow analyses.

If you ever paid heed to some of those people, whose writings are freely available to the genuine truth seeker, then you wouldn’t face the troll allegations you currently stand accused of by almost everyone here whose got a 3-digit IQ.

I stopped engaging with you in the Christian field months ago after some pointless exchanges where you proved you were a fanatic, won’t change his mind and can’t change the subject.

Like I said, if you want to come face to face with Taliban-like behaviour, look in the mirror, my friend and brother in Christ, which you are from, whether you know it or not.
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September 12, 2013 9:15pm
Redbaiter

” I didn’t realise what you meant when you kept saying I was lying. ”

He is constantly making that false allegation. He accuses people of lying all of the time without ever applying any rational definition such as they are deliberately repeating something they know is false.

He uses the allegation only to gain attention, and you can see his comments becoming more and more desperate and hysterical in nature the longer he is ignored.

His arrant narcissism makes him scream and kick like a spoilt child, and his writing here is empty wailing.

Honestly I am constantly surprised that you guys fall for an act that is so transparent.

He is frantic for your attention, so why give it to him?
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September 12, 2013 9:17pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Look, someone’s spitting birds seed.
Bloody Pastor Parrots these days.
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September 12, 2013 9:18pm
Kea

Weihana, So you seriously reckon Assad invited UN inspectors to visit and picked that exact time to launch a massive chemical attack ?

I guess that is easier for you than admitting the black fella is a lying warmongering sack of shit.
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September 12, 2013 9:20pm
joana

Islam is not a religion..It is an evil , maniacal , male , Arab , supremacist cult..No one is free to leave ..If they try to leave they get the chop , literally..If it was such a great get up , why would they need the death penalty hovering menacingly at the exit door??
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September 12, 2013 9:21pm
Pauleastbay

Interesting comments from Larry Keating in San Fransisco on Live Sport this morning.

Larry Ellison has spent $150 million in New Zealand in the last ten years.

The boats he is racing are built in Warkworth. Now the GST on 150 million is alot. The wages spent by the boat builders are huge, the PAYE paid by all these boat builders is enormous and then we have the disaffected worrying about 36 million, jesus Larry Ellison has paid for our whole challenge and there is still some left over!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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September 12, 2013 9:21pm
Lucia Maria

Lucy, Christianity was forced on the Muslim population by Christian invaders. it is documented historical fact. Accept it.

Christianity doesn’t work that Kea, unlike Islam. We have this concept of freedom of conscience and no Christian will tell you that a person deserves to be killed if they leave Christianity. Yet, leaving Islam is physically dangerous for many Muslims who want to convert, because many times even their family wants to kill them! There’s no references to conversion by force in that link you gave (except by Islam) – could it be that you are assuming what’s not there?

“Yeah, read that Kea. Doesn’t say the the Philippines were entirely converted to Islam, though.”

Stop being a smart arse. I made the point that no Christian country was under occupation from Muslim invaders and you claimed I was wrong and used the Philippines as an example of a Muslim invasion.

It was a lie and you should admit it.

Um, no you didn’t actually. You just clarified it to that later when you were losing the argument. What you said was:

No Christian majority countries are occupied by Muslim soldiers and it has been that way for a very very long time.

No lie, just took a sentence and replied to it, taking the strictest interpretation of it without being limited by the context you gave it.

You took far more liberty with Fletch’s comment than I did with yours.

What’s the problem, Muslims looking really bad and you’re trying to deflect?
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September 12, 2013 9:24pm
Griff

PEB
The press and the high tech, highly organized and innovative picture it paints of our little islands is worth the money alone.
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September 12, 2013 9:27pm
Kea

Reid, The reason you stopped engaging is because you were unable to refute my position and had to resort to personal attacks. It scares me the self delusion you live under in order to believe in a lie. Such a waste of an otherwise intelligent mind. All because you lack the guts to face your own mortality. Tragic stuff.

I guess I am “fanatical” about telling the truth and being sincere. It is not something I expect you to understand as you hide in a fog of religious nonsense.

But tell you what, how about a peace offering, olive branch, white dove ? Prove god exists and I will shut up about religion for while. If you can not prove the basis for YOUR position, then it is only fair YOU shut up about it.
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September 12, 2013 9:28pm
Lucia Maria

He is disparaging me, Red.

Saying I said stuff I didn’t say, or misrepresenting what I did say. That does get annoying after a while, even though I have a certain amount of patience.
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September 12, 2013 9:28pm
Redbaiter

The God hating Richard Dawkins supports pedophilia.

Dawkins went on to say that one of his former school masters “pulled me on his knee and put his hand inside my shorts,” and that to condemn this “mild touching up” as sexual abuse today would somehow be unfair.

http://www.breitbart.com/InstaBlog/2013/09/10/Author-and-Oxford-Lecturer-Richard-Dawkins-Defends-Mild-Pedophilia
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September 12, 2013 9:30pm
thedavincimode

Obsessive stalker on the loose in Taurange
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September 12, 2013 9:30pm
thedavincimode

Redbaiter attracts support from predictable quarter
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September 12, 2013 9:33pm
mikenmild

I think there was more context to that Dawkins quote given a long way upthread.
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September 12, 2013 9:33pm
kowtow

Red nails it re Abu Kea.

Al Abu is so frantic for attention that the other night he actually posted in an exchange with another blithering nutter, LRC, that he had a “massive cock”.

Why would anyone engage with an idiot like that? Other than his other bum chums…..dawanker,nastyarse et al.

Notice how animated he’s become now that he thinks he’s got some attention.
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September 12, 2013 9:34pm
Reid

It’s like the world has entered some sort of alternate dimension where Putin, finder of sunken treasure, is suddenly the straight talker.

No Weihana this dawning conciousness has been happening for some time and Putin is only riding that wave. The West have jumped the shark with their chemical weapon attack which conveniently happened just when the inspectors hit town, only a few blocks away from where they are staying. Now what sort of galloping mental doesn’t think that’s slightly queer? Why just when Assad has everything to lose since he’s been winning for ages, just at that moment he turns around and does something absolutely guaranteed to provoke the very reaction the evil ones in London and Washington and Tel Aviv have been shoving down the useful idiots throats over the last few weeks.

And don’t forget mate that ever since this started Russia, China and Syria have all been saying what is always has been to those of us with eyes, that it’s always been a Western inspired and funded regime-change operation. I’ve been saying that since before Syria hit the news and lots of others have been too.

And now you have millions of previously useful idiots all shedding their myopic vision and finally but finally waking up to what’s been going on, for decades. It’s interesting, people I talk to at work and on the ferry and on the bus, all of them are saying the same thing. It’s like a mass awakening. And I think this is just the beginning. Time has been called on the evil ones. You watch when the previously useful idiots start picking over the fragments from the last decade or so, you wait to see what they do there.

Of course the evil ones won’t allow that. They’ll stage another attack, this time no doubt with half-burned Iranian and Syrian passports. Can’t have a mass awakening, can we. That’s what they’ll do.

You wait.

But I wouldn’t be surprised if they’ve already crossed a bridge too far. Their sheer arrogance at their success to date overwhelmed their past caution, and their weakness has been exposed. Sunlight.

He is frantic for your attention, so why give it to him?

Because we love him RB. Because we love him.
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September 12, 2013 9:35pm
Kea

“Christianity doesn’t work that Kea, unlike Islam.We have this concept of freedom of conscience and no Christian will tell you that a person deserves to be killed if they leave Christianity.”

Jesus fucking Christ !!!!

Lucy, spend two minutes googling before you write. It was done like that. I even gave you links yesterday.

Christians have a long history of forced conversion and the Catholics are the worst of all. How do you think your religion got from the Middle East to infect the globe ? It was not by love and charity I can tell you that much.
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September 12, 2013 9:36pm
Griff

PCL-R model of psychopathy
Factor 1: Interpersonal/Affective
Glibness/superficial charm
Grandiose sense of self-worth
Pathological lying
Cunning/manipulative
Lack of remorse or guilt
Shallow affect (genuine emotion is short-lived and egocentric)
Callousness; lack of empathy
Failure to accept responsibility for his or her own actions
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September 12, 2013 9:37pm
chiz

As I pointed out earlier this year, Kea is female. Her name is Marni Sheppeard. Its her personae that is male.
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September 12, 2013 9:37pm
thedavincimode

The boats he is racing are built in Warkworth. Now the GST on 150 million is alot.

eastbay, he doesn’t pay GST if he takes them out of the country. So there is no GST gain in the system – but there is company tax and PAYE (ie jobs – oops, is it OK to say that??) through the production chain.
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September 12, 2013 9:37pm
Andrei

the entire Middle East was ~~Christian~~ Jewish before the ~~Muslims~~ Christians came

You continue to show how woeful your knowledge of history is Kea.

At the time of Christ the Jews were a people of the Middle East, which was part of the Roman Empire and the dominant culture of the Middle East at that time was GREEK and the Greek language and culture which became Christian dominated the Middle East for the next 700 years until the Arab conquests
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September 12, 2013 9:38pm
expat

@lucy Christianity doesn’t work that Kea, unlike Islam

Hahahahaha
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September 12, 2013 9:38pm
kowtow

chiz

Sheppeard ?Surely Goatfucker?
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September 12, 2013 9:40pm
Redbaiter

“obsessive stalker”

Gawd that is almost as hypocritical and idiotic as your “living rent free in your head” allegation of the other day.

You have even admitted you can’t control your obsession to come here and seek out Redbaiter, and you have been doing it now for more than a year, with only the odd plainly distracted comment on a side issue when the compulsive nature of your behaviour becomes embarrassing even to you.

You are one sick puppy, and I have had some obessives and cowards doing this kind of thing before but I’d say you have the madness much more than any of those.

You really should see a shrink. You’re behaviour is so unbalanced, and getting worse. I’m seriously thinking you could be a real threat.
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September 12, 2013 9:40pm
Kea

How many nights in a row is it that the kowtow creature has tried to turn the thread to talk of MASSIVE COCKS ? It is a refreshing change from his frantic breathless referrals to the male anus we are all so accustomed to.
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September 12, 2013 9:43pm
Redbaiter

“but there is company tax and PAYE”

Typical big government prog.

Its all about the tax take.
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September 12, 2013 9:43pm
Pauleastbay

You’re right of course Red, the next time we have someone from off shore wanting to spend $150 million in the country, you can meet them at the border and tell them to fuck off.

It was a private person spending their own money FFS. You’re up there with the greens ,Silent T Tugger and tubby as having no fucking idea
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September 12, 2013 9:49pm
Kea

“But tell you what, how about a peace offering, olive branch, white dove ? Prove god exists and I will shut up about religion for while. If you can not prove the basis for YOUR position, then it is only fair YOU shut up about it.”

Lucy dear. The same offer is open to you… 🙂
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September 12, 2013 9:50pm
UglyTruth

“America and Israel had al-Qaeda use chemical weapons in order to push us into war”

Do you really believe that conspiracy BS?

It’s more believable than the BS coming from Obama & co. America & the state of Israel have a history of involvement in false flag attacks, but Assad does not have a history of using chemical weapons.
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September 12, 2013 9:50pm
Reid

But tell you what, how about a peace offering, olive branch, white dove ? Prove god exists and I will shut up about religion for while. If you can not prove the basis for YOUR position, then it is only fair YOU shut up about it.

Certainly Kea.

Calculate the statistical improbability of the universe and all the beings in it being formed by mere random chance and you have your proof. To make it easy for you, you don’t even have to calculate the probability of matter, dark matter, zero-point energy, gravity, electricity, black holes, stars and planets forming, if you like. All you need to do is calculate the probability of life forms on Earth evolving to their present condition. In fact, you don’t even need to do that. All you need to do is to calculate the probability of DNA evolving from a “primordial soup” into what we know it as today, as it exists in us.

My calculation of the latter is 10 to the power of 9,854,623,752,356,248,649,784,325,489,627 against DNA forming without intelligent design.

What’s yours?
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September 12, 2013 9:52pm
chiz

Impressive calculation Reid. Can you explain how you did it? In order to calculate the probability of DNA evolving from a primordial soup you would need to consider ALL POSSIBLE chemical pathways, weighted by the probability of their occurrence, a calculation that is way way way way beyond anyone else.
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September 12, 2013 9:55pm
kowtow

What’s yours?

“Massive” he/she tells us.

Which is a very odd thing to say on a blog.
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September 12, 2013 9:57pm
Kea

Ugly, the biggest use of chemical weapons in recent years was when the US supported Saddam’s attack on Iran. Still historical facts don’t go down well on KB unless they support an existing prejudice.
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