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thedavincimode

It looks like the phoney Christian is a bit aggro today. No doubt he’ll be telling tales and suggesting some heavy duty smoting when he checks in tonight during bedside prayers. Pfft. Wot a spoil sport.
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August 9, 2013 4:25pm
kowtow

Religion and development.

Niall Ferguson Prof of History at Harvard and an atheist.

He says the Protestant Work Ethic was one of 6 key ingredients in the success of western civilisation.

Between Fergusson and the troll kea,I know which one I choose.
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August 9, 2013 4:28pm
Kea

Religious opposition to science is well recorded and well known. I will not insult the intelligence of other readers with links.
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August 9, 2013 4:32pm
Left Right and Centre

4:32 as an other reader I thank you kindly.
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August 9, 2013 4:38pm
Scott

I agree with you mandk-very well argued.

Kea isn’t it time you stopped obsessing about God and how bad he is? You started the religious nature of this thread by some wild off beam comment from nowhere. You did the same thing yesterday on General debate.

Also you just lack manners. Way too many comments over and over again every day,hating on God. This is not your blog. But no-one else can talk about anything without you commenting endlessly.

You really are stuck old bean. Perhaps you should become a christian? God is not as horrible as you might think once you know Jesus. And you could find something else to do every day than hating on God. And you get eternal life. It’s not such a bad deal really?
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August 9, 2013 4:50pm
Ryan Sproull

mandk,

I’m actually interested in your answer to my question. You said that without God, everything in life is ultimately bad, because you just die in the end. What’s so bad about dying in the end?
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August 9, 2013 4:57pm
Lucia Maria

From Science owes much to both Christianity and the Middle Ages:

Few topics are as open to misunderstanding as the relationship between faith and reason. The ongoing clash of creationism with evolution obscures the fact that Christianity has actually had a far more positive role to play in the history of science than commonly believed. Indeed, many of the alleged examples of religion holding back scientific progress turn out to be bogus. For instance, the Church has never taught that the Earth is flat and, in the Middle Ages, no one thought so anyway. Popes haven’t tried to ban zero, human dissection or lightening rods, let alone excommunicate Halley’s Comet. No one, I am pleased to say, was ever burnt at the stake for scientific ideas. Yet, all these stories are still regularly trotted out as examples of clerical intransigence in the face of scientific progress.

Admittedly, Galileo was put on trial for claiming it is a fact that the Earth goes around the sun, rather than just a hypothesis as the Catholic Church demanded. Still, historians have found that even his trial was as much a case of papal egotism as scientific conservatism. It hardly deserves to overshadow all the support that the Church has given to scientific investigation over the centuries.

That support took several forms. One was simply financial. Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research. Starting in the Middle Ages, it paid for priests, monks and friars to study at the universities. The church even insisted that science and mathematics should be a compulsory part of the syllabus. And after some debate, it accepted that Greek and Arabic natural philosophy were essential tools for defending the faith. By the seventeenth century, the Jesuit order had become the leading scientific organisation in Europe, publishing thousands of papers and spreading new discoveries around the world. The cathedrals themselves were designed to double up as astronomical observatories to allow ever more accurate determination of the calendar. And of course, modern genetics was founded by a future abbot growing peas in the monastic garden.

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It was only during the “enlightenment” that the idea took root that Christianity had been a serious impediment to science. Voltaire and his fellow philosophes opposed the Catholic Church because of its close association with France’s absolute monarchy. Accusing clerics of holding back scientific development was a safe way to make a political point. The cudgels were later taken up by TH Huxley, Darwin’s bulldog, in his struggle to free English science from any sort of clerical influence. Creationism did the rest of the job of persuading the public that Christianity and science are doomed to perpetual antagonism.

The writer of the article I’ve posted excerpts from has written a book called The Genesis of Science: How the Christian Middle Ages Launched the Scientific Revolution. Looks like an essential read for anyone arguing with idiots.

Kea, no, I’m not a Scorpio.
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August 9, 2013 5:11pm
dime

See what happens when dime takes the day off?

The gd is garbage.
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August 9, 2013 5:22pm
Ryan Sproull

Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research.

Man, whose side are you on?
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August 9, 2013 5:24pm
liarbors a joke

“See what happens when dime takes the day off?”

been shafting and tucking a few punters today quart? How many units you move..
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August 9, 2013 5:29pm
mandk

@ Ryan Sproull,
Personally I don’t think there is anything bad about dying in the end.
But I get the impression that many, if not most, people do think it’s bad.
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August 9, 2013 5:38pm
Lucia Maria

Ryan,

Man, whose side are you on?

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MandK,

Kea really knows that it was “fulfil” and not “enforce”.
I’ve told him that on a number of occasions and he even quotes Bible verses that contradict him.

Yep, seen a number of those and been involved in exactly the same conversation a while back.

Lance at 12:51 nails it with naming it “pointless debating”. Though, I think there could be a point to it – a propaganda point. Either that or it is what it appears to be.
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August 9, 2013 5:46pm
SGA

Scott (1,430) August 9th, 2013 at 4:50 pm regarding Kea

You started the religious nature of this thread by some wild off beam comment from nowhere. You did the same thing yesterday on General debate.

Not true yesterday Scott – really it started with –

Fletch (4,594) August 8th, 2013 at 11:08 am

MUST SEE –
Is there any observable proof for Darwinian evolution? When the question is put to scientists and also biology students, they can’t come up with even ONE example. Darwinism is blind faith.
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August 9, 2013 5:47pm
nasska

If anyone thinks that preachy, moralistic, religious crap posted here daily by the Godnutters is not going to be rebutted they are out of their heads. I’ll agree that Kea scored a pre-emptive strike today but usually religious debate is kicked off by one of the zealots plaintively complaining of persecution or cutting & pasting a 2000 word treatise by some mentally challenged Biblical scholar.

If you don’t like the rubbishing & derision then spare the rest of us the homilies.
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August 9, 2013 6:04pm
Reid

Personally I don’t think there is anything bad about dying in the end. But I get the impression that many, if not most, people do think it’s bad.

Yes. If only most people would realise we are immortal spiritual beings having a temporary physical experience, this world would be a different place because as soon as you do that everything that the physical world places importance on fades into insignificance, which it in fact, is. And one is then free to consider things of significance, which boils down to: who did you help, in your time here.

Life is a school, and we are here to learn.

Simple. As. That.

But that’s anaethema to temporal players who care only about who to conquer; who to fear; who to love; who to respect and therefore emulate and what to accumulate to protect themselves from their fears.

And most call this life, if they ever even think about it. It’s a pretty small world view if you ask me, given our unlimited capacity.
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August 9, 2013 6:16pm
Lucia Maria

Kowtow, you might be interested in this: Western Civilisation, what really matters.
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August 9, 2013 6:21pm
Reid

Religious opposition to science is well recorded and well known. I will not insult the intelligence of other readers with links.

So you’d be surprised to learn we used to have one of the recipients of the PM’s Science Prize in our congregation Kea and we still have a few others? No of course not, you know everything about religion, don’t you.
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August 9, 2013 6:23pm
nasska

….”who did you help, in your time here.”…..

I reckon that would be covered by the maxim ‘to treat others as you’d like to be treated yourself’ Reid. it’s not a bad way to live life.
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August 9, 2013 6:24pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. In the immortal words of General Patton: NUTS.
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August 9, 2013 6:26pm
Reid

I reckon that would be covered by the maxim ‘to treat others as you’d like to be treated yourself’ Reid. it’s not a bad way to live life.

It’s a good start nasska. It’s not the end game.

In the immortal words of General Patton: NUTS.

So you’ve not spent much time thinking about spiritual matters Dennis? That’s a shame. Honestly, while the world is a fascinating place, it’s only the 3rd rock from the sun, in a minor galaxy. Do you really think this entire universe has nothing else in it apart from how to make yourself comfortable and happy and the rest is mere matter and forces? Really? Because that’s what you’re forced into believing, if you really believe what you just said.
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August 9, 2013 6:36pm
Dennis Horne

Steven Weinberg once said life is a tragedy – because we die. He is of course quite right. All that effort trying to make sense of it all, accumulate stuff you need and you have to leave it all behind… The only good thing about death is it’s better then the alternative: increasing decrepitude and everlasting senility. And the perpetual loathing of our descendants. (Why would we breed if we lived forever?)

Talking about everlasting life, is it in our present form? Or just as matter or energy, according to the laws of physics?

There may be gods, we don’t know. The gods we do know we invented ourselves. Not much help, really. And yes, scientists can have funny disturbances in the brain, like anyone else. They’re only human, after all…
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August 9, 2013 6:39pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. First let me apologise for getting excited. Yes, I have spent a great deal of time thinking about the Christian God, far too much in fact. And what we are doing here.

Man is here by accident and serves no purpose in the Universe. One can give life meaning by realising that and one further fact: we have evolved to want to live or least to not want to die. We wouldn’t be here otherwise. Programmed.

If we accept life is a struggle to avoid death and certain behaviour is rewarded with feeling good we can give life meaning and be satisfied overall, maybe.

Reid, I think you are blind, just as you think I am. You think it’s because I don’t know your God, and I think your God is imaginary. Friends?
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August 9, 2013 6:52pm
Reid

There may be gods, we don’t know. The gods we do know we invented ourselves.

I know Dennis. You could know too if you weren’t exclusively concerned with thinking on temporal matters. Another thing I know is that my God is not a figment of my imagination for if it was, then the billions of minds over the centuries who have professed the same would not have been so consistent in their professing which aligns with my own personal experience. If you’d read about God you would have learned that your attitudes are precisely as predicted and your readings would have explained why that is.

Perhaps you should do a bit of that, who knows, you may change your mind. Whether or not you do, let me tell you such a change is a gain, not a loss, and a gain in unspeakably brilliant and glorious ways. The ball is in your court my friend, I hope and pray you play it well.

Edit: Just read your latest Dennis, of course we’re friends. We are all connected. Blessings.
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August 9, 2013 6:56pm
Reid

So the Pamplona bull run is coming to the US.

http://www.today.com/news/run-famous-spanish-bull-chase-debut-america-6C10874597

Personally I reckon we should have them here too, maybe in Taihape since the appeal of the gumboot craze seems to have abated. Manly testosterone and adrenaline galore. Won’t the feminists hate that. Plus injuries and maybe a few deaths as Darwin’s Law works its inexorable way through the human genome, cleansing the weak.

Maybe we could ~~get~~ tell the politicians to run too, or else we wouldn’t vote for them. How would Wussell go? That’d make an excellent i-predict stock series. What fun. Hulun could be a special guest. Elbowing all the girly men out of the way. And Heather.

The bonus would be it’d give our brand new Health and Safety bureaucracy a really good practice run in how to get the job done without ruining the whole affair.
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August 9, 2013 7:18pm
Left Right and Centre

dime 5:22 pm Monday Downlow with pale-o. What are the three squares on day one?
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August 9, 2013 7:31pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. Thanks. Perhaps you’re right (about me). We’ll never know… 🙂 <– Last Laugh!
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August 9, 2013 7:34pm
Viking2

Just on the Fonterra thing. Fonterra, a private cooperative that earns in its own way about 30% of NZ’s earnings is seemingly now an apparatus of the socialist National Govt.
Look at this for example.

Emerging after talking with senior ministers, Fonterra chief executive Theo Spierings said the company had presented them with its timeline of events.

He said there were no ongoing food safety issues and that the dairy giant would be open with the public about the findings of its own inquiry.

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The Ministry for Primary Industries will also run an investigation and, at a media conference after the meeting, Joyce signalled Cabinet would on Monday decide if a third inquiry would follow.

He said Fonterra executives had briefed ministers on the company’s two internal inquiries and gave a commitment to get to the bottom of things.

But Joyce stopped short of saying he was satisfied with the information Fonterra provided.

“It wasn’t a meeting for him to tell us that everything was fine and for us to thanks very much and wander on our happy way. That was a meeting for them to give us an update and their view, but it was never going to be the answer to the questions we want answered. It was nice to get his view but actually we will be testing everything pretty thoroughly.”

on whose authority? eh. Who the fuck does mr Fix it think he is?
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Speaking on radio this morning, Prime Minister John Key expressed surprise at how Fonterra have handled the scandal.

While he didn’t want to be critical of Fonterra chairman John Wilson, Key said he should have made a public appearance much earlier.

“I know him and he’s a thoroughly thoughtful bright and articulate guy…it would have made a lot of sense to have him out there.” he said.

The dairy co-operative could “probably” have handled the scare better, Key said. ‘ ‘We don’t run their company for them. We don’t run their PR.”

what a laugh. Key and his band of fruitcakes can’t run their own outfit properly and certainly not their PR. Shall we mention things like jogn banks, GCSB etc.)

What an egotistical bunch of looney’s. Fonterra actually in none of their business. If these pratts think they can behave in a dictatorial, taxman like manner and win friends in the diary industry that should think again. They have sidelined farming from their party, (I have commented on that before), which one can see from the voting, and now they intend to vilify the farmers own company.

Stupid is stupid are.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/dairy/9021386/Fonterra-apologises-but-Govt-not-satisfied
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August 9, 2013 7:46pm
Left Right and Centre

Reid 7:18 pm Once upon a time.. no-one understood how germs were spread. Now everyone does.

Not so long ago everyone held superstitious beliefs. Not so much anymore.
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August 9, 2013 7:48pm
Viking2

Oh and remeber Nova pay. What outfit was in charge of that? Mr Key, Mr english, Ms Parata, and Mr Joyce et al and they were being paid to be in charge.

We could failry say that they failed miserably, way worse than Fonterra.
All fonterra did that was wrong was to not run to the PM and cry wolf. We can see why.
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August 9, 2013 7:53pm
Viking2

Labour MP Shane Jones had said “the public doesn’t want the country run by geldings”.

Labour MP Phil Goff is under fire for a “misogynistic” barb directed at Attorney-General Chris Finlayson.

During a parliamentary debate on new spying laws yesterday, the pair traded insults about election defeats.

Goff mocked Finlayson for being “beaten on three occasions, each time by a woman”.

“I’ve won 11 times and I’ve lost once, but the member in the chair [Finlayson] has lost three times,” he said.

“You would think that would be a humbling experience, but the arrogance of the minister shows no sign at all that he’s learnt from being beaten on three occasion, each time by a woman member of Parliament.”

Finlayson ran against Annette King in the Rongotai electorate in 2008 and 2011. In 2005, he lost to former Labour MP Winnie Laban in Mana.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9023655/Phil-Goff-slammed-for-sexist-comments
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August 9, 2013 7:59pm
nasska

Two Irishmen sitting in a pub watching the Tour de France on TV. Seamus shakes his head and asks “Why the hell do they do that?” “Do what?” replies Mick. “Go on them bikes for miles and miles, up and down the hills, round the bends. Day after day, week after week. No matter if it’s icy, rainin’, snowin’, hailin’… why would they torture themselves like that?” “It’s all for the prestige and the money” says Mick. “You know the winner gets about a half a million Euros”. “Yeah, I understand that” says Seamus “But why do all the others do it?”
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August 9, 2013 8:02pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers!

YOU can vote here on whether you support the GCSB Bill – yes or no?

http://www.3news.co.nz/TVShows/CampbellLive/GCSBVote.aspx#

Just the thing for all you Libertarians and ACT members/supporters who are opposed to BIG BROTHER State?

(You might want to have a word to your not so ‘representative’ ACT MP for Epsom, the DEFENDANT John Banks?)

For more background info on the fight to stop the New Zealand State spying on New Zealanders:

http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz

Kind regards,

Penny Bright

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

‘Her Warship’ 🙂
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August 9, 2013 8:33pm
Reid

Update on Fukushima: it ain’t pretty.

http://rt.com/op-edge/tepco-fukushima-sea-water-reactor-194/
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August 9, 2013 8:37pm
Pete George

Unfortunately the Campbell poll on the GCSB Bill doesn’t ask if people have read or understand the bill.

They are making an attempt to make the poll less riggable, but they can’t get around a serious deficiency – it’s not a random sample and can easily be slanted by organised voting.

My guess is that it will show a sizable number of people opposed to the bill, but most people who don’t care about the bill won’t bother voting.

Interesting that the poll runs through to August 19 – the same night as a planned “fill the Auckland Town Hall and stop the bill” event. Could be a coincidence.
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August 9, 2013 8:46pm
nasska

Good link Reid. Bloody scary though.
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August 9, 2013 8:53pm
publicwatchdog

errr…. it isn’t actually THAT complicated Pete.

Under the current GCSB Act it is unlawful to spy on New Zealanders.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2003/0009/latest/DLM187841.html

Restrictions imposed on interceptions

14 Interceptions not to target domestic communications

Neither the Director, nor an employee of the Bureau, nor a person acting on behalf of the Bureau may authorise or take any action for the purpose of intercepting the communications of a person (not being a foreign organisation or a foreign person) who is a New Zealand citizen or a permanent resident.
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Under the proposed GCSB BILL it will NOT be unlawful to spy on New Zealanders.

Gosh Pete, maybe those who have ‘got it’ and are really opposed to this legislation, will actually ‘get organised’ and avail themselves of the opportunity to have a vote on this matter?

I look forward to Wellington folk getting out in Ohariu and collecting signatures for the following petition:

_________________________________________________________________________________________________

To Independent MP for Ohariu Peter Dunne

“The will of the people is the basis of the authority of Government.”

We, the undersigned, call upon YOU, to defend the lawful human rights of New Zealanders to privacy, freedom of association and freedom of expression – that is – to oppose arbitrary search and surveillance by ‘BIG BROTHER’ State over citizens.

We note your public objections to the recent violations of your lawful rights to privacy, and look forward to consistency in your support for New Zealanders equal lawful rights to privacy.

If YOU, as an MP, vote for this GCSB Bill, which will allow widespread spying on New Zealanders, we, the undersigned hereby PLEDGE to campaign against your re-election in 2014, and to encourage our families, neighbours and workmates to do the same.

______________________________________________________________________________________________

NAME ADDRESS SIGNATURE
______________________________________________________________________________________________

REALLY looking forward to Wellington folk collecting over 1500 names of voters PLEDGING to campaign against Peter Dunne – from the HYPOCRISY Party?

http://www.electionresults.govt.nz/electionresults_2011/electoratestatus.html

Ohariu 100.0% DUNNE, Peter (UFNZ) CHAUVEL, Charles (LAB) 1,392
_________________________________________________________________________________________________

(Meant of course, in a caring way 🙂

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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August 9, 2013 9:05pm
Pete George

Err, it’s more complicated than you seem to understand Penny, unless you are deliberately misrepresenting.

Under the current GCSB Act it is unlawful to spy on New Zealanders.

That’s right, sort of, albeit disputed.

But it was intended that GSCB staff and technology could be used by the police and SIS to do spying on their behalf. That’s how it worked in practice, until two conflicting clauses in the law were highlighted by the Kitteridge report.
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August 9, 2013 9:15pm
Griff

Sorry Penny tarnish
We need to keep an eye on fruit loops.

That is inclusive of you and your whacko rent a mob mates.

Just think of a Evil RWNJ like Timothy McVeigh or Anders Behring Breivik.

They are out there penny and they are coming to get You.
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August 9, 2013 9:15pm
Pete George

WTF

Vicar accused of blasphemy for sporting a bumper sticker that asks “What the f*** would Jesus do?

A Church of England vicar accused of blasphemy for sporting a bumper sticker that asks “WTFWJD?” was unrepentant yesterday.

The abbreviation on the Rev Alice Goodman’s car sticker is short for “what the f*** would Jesus do?” and the answer is He would say they have a lot in common.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/faith/article3838164.ece
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August 9, 2013 9:20pm
Dennis Horne

Pete George (18,831) Says: August 9th, 2013 at 9:15 pm
Err, it’s more complicated than you seem to understand Penny, unless you are deliberately misrepresenting.
Under the current GCSB Act it is unlawful to spy on New Zealanders.
That’s right, sort of, albeit disputed. But it was intended that GSCB staff and technology could be used by the police and SIS to do spying on their behalf. That’s how it worked in practice, until two conflicting clauses in the law were highlighted by the Kitteridge report.

In a nutshell. How anybody can misunderstand this is beyond me. Conflation of the reality and the wishful thinking perhaps – that nobody spies or will spy on anybody.

If you have something to say to someone you don’t want anyone else to hear, go into the middle of a forest and whisper in his ear.
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August 9, 2013 9:40pm
Pete George

Andrew the grumpollie polster commented on the Campbell Live poll posted by Penny:

Self selecting rubbish. Collecting email addresses and names doesn’t change this. At The Daily Blog people often mention the fact that the main public polls don’t cover NZers without landlines, but polls like this are committing the ultimate sin of survey research.

Last year the Campbell Live txt in poll about same-sex marriage showed the OPPOSITE result from random polls – 22% support vs majority support in random polls.

Campbell made a big deal about it being ‘the second largest number of responses received’ to one of his polls.

Here’s the thing – sample size has almost NOTHING to do with sample quality. Big numbers do not mean representative data!

All a poll like this can represent is those who can be bothered to vote on it.

It could indicate 10,000 who feel strongly enough to vote, It won’t show 3,000,000 who didn’t know about it or chose not to vote.

The prompts for name, email and address will put some people off voting, and probably those less motivated to vote.
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August 9, 2013 9:40pm
Pete George

Dennis – the hermit solution, if you don’t want spied on and want total privacy. If you can find somewhere to live that’s isolated enough.

I’ve been discussing this with people on Facebook, they just ignore me when I ask if they are aware of how spied on they are by commercial interests.
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August 9, 2013 10:00pm
thedavincimode

Man is here by accident and serves no purpose in the Universe.

Times certainly do change. ~~Galililoa~~ ~~Galililo~~ ~~Galilolle~~ the bloke with the telescope would have had his bits cut off for saying that. But then, he was smart enough to not say it.
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August 9, 2013 10:06pm
thedavincimode

they just ignore me

Why could that be?
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August 9, 2013 10:07pm
Reid

I’ve been discussing this with people on Facebook

Well they’d know wouldn’t they Pete.

The thing about this spying is:

Who didn’t already know it was happening since even before 911?

So what if it is?

What do you think a stupid piece of legislation passed by the stupid tiny NZ Parliament is really going to do to stop it?

Would you want to put NZ’s entire international relationship in jeopardy because of your “so what if it is” hallucination?

So why don’t you just drop it?

Personally, I wish it didn’t happen. Personally, I also wish a lot of other things didn’t happen, either.

But for some reason the PTB (powers that be) don’t seem to give a flying about what I’d prefer.

While I find that peculiar and distressing, and I rend my clothes on a daily basis in response thereto, I don’t see the need to inflict my pointless worthless anguish on anyone else, since I know it’s not going to make any real actual diff whatsoever, in any way at all, no matter what my MP says and no matter what the govt of the day says.

So I conduct myself accordingly and try to avoid things Al Qa’ida in my surfing and pretend I’m not really a survivalist with an internet connection, a well-stocked bunker and plenty of weapons in a secret place, just waiting for the end-game to commence.

I suggest you do the same Pete. So far, it’s working for me, and I just hope I just don’t miss the delete window so no-one ever reads this.
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August 9, 2013 10:15pm
Reid

Oh no.
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August 9, 2013 10:20pm
thedavincimode

Reid

Just don’t tell him that he’s being spied upon every time he goes on-line.

Oops, maybe you should! 🙂
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August 9, 2013 10:22pm
bereal

BY the way,
just came home and checked in on Kb out of interest.

i see dime @ 5.22 has once again revealed his huge ego based on
eff all.

And in the same sentence shat on all the current comentaters.

And yet at least 4 gormless lemmings gave him a thumbs up for
shittng on them.

Go figure.
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August 9, 2013 11:11pm
Dennis Horne

@Reid. Thanks for the laugh. Great.

@thedavincimode. Don’t care about more “bits” chopped off but don’t fancy being burned alive. Gosh, that must have taken some faith and courage. The victim too… 😉
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August 9, 2013 11:19pm
Ryan Sproull

Sorry, Lucia, to explain my comment…

You said, “Until the French Revolution, the Catholic Church was the leading sponsor of scientific research.”

My first thought was, “And then it fell into more competent hands.”
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