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August 8, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 8 August 2013

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chiz

Do you even know what a bit is Fletch? Four bases, A,T,C,G can be encoded in two bits. You only need more than two bits, for kinetoplastid protozoa (which have five bases in their DNA), or if you want, to include epigenetic information (which has five variations on A and C).

there is no natural process known to science that creates coded information.

In fact we do know of processes. Duplication, followed by mutation will do it, as can mutation by itself.
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August 8, 2013 10:57pm
Left Right and Centre

The man in the sky exists… everything else is wrong no matter what…. that’s our mentality. We don’t care if it makes no sense.
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August 8, 2013 10:58pm
cha

A bit late but United States Army Air Forces aircraft 41-2446 has finally arrived.

http://www.pacificaviationmuseum.org/pearl-harbor-blog/boeing-b-17e-flying-fortress-swamp-ghost2
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August 8, 2013 11:00pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea 10:49 pm I’d introduce kids to the bible with a rubbish bin and a bic flic
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August 8, 2013 11:00pm
Dennis Horne

It’s the very complexity of life that persuades me we are here by accident. No intelligent mind would create such a mess. Chaos, probability, time; not design.
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August 8, 2013 11:02pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Lucy, so at what time was slavery, rape, genocide, torture, mass murder, human sacrifice, stoning people to death, ok in your view ?

None of the above is OK. However, all of the things that you list are part of human history. Human beings have done and still do all those things, even the human sacrifice.

What your saying is that those things are not intrinsically wrong. It is just the context that matters.

No, the context is understanding that they happened. At times God commanded genocide. The context is understanding why. In amongst the story of the people of the Old Testament is God revealing Himself and trying to guide His chosen people, who constantly defied Him.

Here’s some context for you to think about God did command an eye for an eye as punishment for wrong-doing. We moderns look at that and get all flustered and think that just maybe God is evil. But if you look at typical human reaction when wrong is done to someone (and there is no rule of law to turn to) it can be extreme. So the eye for an eye command could instead be looked as a restriction for how much punishment can be given for an offense, rather than an upper limit. It was something simple tribesmen could understand without having had much schooling.

Genocide and mass murder when commanded by God is a little more difficult. However if God commands it, then it’s not actually wrong, considering that He created all those human beings that he wanted killed. He could do it Himself, without requiring the Israelites to do it for Him (ie The Great Flood). So He had to have a reason as to why He got them to do it. Maybe it was a way for the men to feel victorious in war and then have the self-confidence to do other stuff. I don’t know.

Would you worship someone who demanded those things be carried out today ? (Well actually you do !)

God has no demanded any of those things be done today. The Israelites are a special case, the Chosen People who had to be guided so that the Son could be born of them. Since God has incarnated, there is no longer a need for such special attention to a specific group at the expense of another. There’s more context for you.
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August 9, 2013 12:05am
Dennis Horne

There may be gods hiding somewhere, we don’t know anything about most of the Universe. What we do know is, the gods we do know about, we created ourselves.

How any educated person can believe a mish-mash of stuff written by men, mostly long after the events, has any real value is frankly beyond me. I view it as a form of insanity deemed acceptable to society. Fortunately, aside from enforced celibacy and deviant sexual behaviour, religiosity is fairly innocuous in western society now. That may well change with Islamification.
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August 9, 2013 2:32am
Scott Chris

lGenocide and mass murder when commanded by God is a little more difficult. However if God commands it, then it’s not actually wrong, considering that He created all those human beings that he wanted killed. He could do it Himself, without requiring the Israelites to do it for Him (ie The Great Flood). So He had to have a reason as to why He got them to do it. Maybe it was a way for the men to feel victorious in war and then have the self-confidence to do other stuff. I don’t know.

Please stop Lucia, you’re frightening me.
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August 9, 2013 7:28am
Dennis Horne

@Scott Chris. Come on Chris, it’s difficult, but so is entanglement. Just accept it, there’s a good chap. 😉
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