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Kea

mandk, not working on Sunday. It carries a penalty. Why do you reject so much of the bible ? You are dishonest, lying even to yourself. That is the most tragic and pathetic thing about religion. The rejection of your own reason. The bible is one of the most disgusting stories even told. It is little wonder even zealots reject its clear words.
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August 31, 2013 6:05pm
Kea

You don’t want to join Obama to fight Israels enemies ? Well that is the end of you and fuck democracy.

Ministers face sack over Syria shambles
At least five Government ministers face the sack in the wake of David Cameron’s humiliating failure to secure parliamentary backing for military strikes against the Syrian regime.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10277598/Ministers-face-sack-over-Syria-shambles.html
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August 31, 2013 6:10pm
nasska

Kea

God’s little helpers, or at least the Left Footers, have managed to insert an escape clause in the creed just for times like now. I actually thought I had one of the slippery buggers cornered the other day when I pointed out a quote from another Godnutter about the oddball instructions in the OT….

….….” those commands were to particular groups of people at particular times”…..

Turns out that:

….”there are certain things that are revealed truth for all, and other things that were specific to the Old Testament. Discerning what is what is complicated, that’s why we have a Magisterium.”….

This why homosexuality for example is a grievous sin but instructions to smite & stone everything that draws breath can be safely ignored when convenient, especially if they bolster the current argument of the theists

It gets pretty complicated sorting out the wheat & the chaff in the religion racket. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 6:27pm
Redbaiter

Whrrr whrr whrrr (sound of endless cassette rotating)

Get a life you tiny minded hillbilly fuckwits. (Take a trip in to town or something.)
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August 31, 2013 6:34pm
Judith

laworder (243) Says:
August 31st, 2013 at 4:14 pm

…Generally I feel the Police do a good job (now) and take their side, but I agree with Judith on this. A thoroughly cack handed mess that the Police would have been better to have left well alone

The police do generally do a good job, however, I would be reluctant to offer a blanket support – they do still make mistakes.

The fact that the current regime is still continuing the lies perpetrated by the ‘old guard’ in reference to the Thomas case is evidence of this. The police refused to do an investigation into the case – despite it still being an unsolved double murder. Their reason – they got their man – its not their fault it fell through!

An open and honest police force would have no problem with re-examining the case – instead they are reviewing the old case – a case that proved by the Royal Commission of Inquiry that at least one senior member of the police force (Hutton) lied, committed fraud, and perjury in order to stitch an innocent man up for the crime.

So they are continuing the lies and the dishonesty. It is time they stood up and said “sorry we got it wrong” – until they do that, until the ‘new guard’ is able to acknowledge the mistakes made by the ‘old guard’ they are destined to repeat them – as we are now seeing in the Pora case and others.

They are there to protect us – not protect the foul dealings of each other.

Their recent action against members of the Thomas family is without reason. There is nothing that justifies the questions they asked. It was nothing more than sheer thuggery and intimidation, because the family raised the issue of Hutton’s integrity after his funeral.

You clearly are a person that wants law and order – you will never achieve it unless those that are charged with the task of maintaining it are honest in both their actions and their method.
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August 31, 2013 6:35pm
nasska

Back in your cage Baity. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 6:36pm
Reid

It gets pretty complicated sorting out the wheat & the chaff in the religion racket.

Goats and sheep nasska, goats and sheep and it’s not complicated, at all. All you have to do is believe. It doesn’t hurt, you know.

And if I were you, I wouldn’t listen much to what people tell you about God’s word, you’re an intelligent man, so read it yourself, and find out whether or not they know what they’re talking about from the source. And a little hint, Kea doesn’t know. He’s one of the goats. At this point in time. Aren’t you, Kea.
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August 31, 2013 6:43pm
Judith

@ bereal

Thank you 🙂
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August 31, 2013 6:49pm
nasska

Reid

One of the drawbacks of a Christian boarding school education is the ample opportunity one is given to read the Bible. Front to back, maybe half a dozen times yet the voodoo escaped me.

I may have to chance a deathbed conversion (just in case) although you’ve already told me that they’re a bit short on guarantees. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 6:52pm
Kea

All you have to do is believe.

Reid, belief without evidence [faith] is nothing to be proud of.

You tell nasska to read it himself and ignore what people say. Yet when confronted with the clear words of the bible you do an abrupt about face and tell us not to accept the clear words of the bible and to listen to you.

Your a liar and take other people for fools. The only thing that changed in the New Testament was the need to offer your imaginery god blood sacrifices. They did away with that, but introduced enternal torture in hell. All of your imaginery beings brutal and vile commands, laws and guidelines from the Old Testament remain in force. Jesus even said he was there to enforce the OT laws.

You really need to have a look at yourself. Your probably an intelligent guy and a decent person. But religion has turned you into a lying idiot and a coward. Get your moral compass sorted. It is not ok.
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August 31, 2013 6:53pm
joana

Flipper
The Haig case lead to another wrongful conviction for murder..Sorry I don’t know the name..Also don’t know whether he is out. Corrupt Southland cops in cahoots with bent West Coast coppers. Lots of talk in Southland over these two cases and earlier actions of Western Southland cops.
The cops have a saying when they are being criticized……”This too shall pass.”
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August 31, 2013 6:54pm
kowtow

“Even zealots reject it.”

We know kea the Syrian hates anything to do with Jewish nationalism,that’s what’s behind his clear obsession with the Bible.It is Jewish.

Also hates that western civilisation owes so much to Jewish,and yes Jesus Christ of Nazareth was a Jew so of course kea hates the religion that bears His name.
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August 31, 2013 6:58pm
Redbaiter

“One of the drawbacks of a Christian boarding school education”

You shouldn’t let the unnatural behaviour you indulged in there overshadow your whole life.

Move on..!!
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August 31, 2013 7:01pm
nasska

Nothing unnatural went on there Baity….it was “a college for the education of ministers & gentlemen”. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 7:05pm
Monique Angel

Case for sterilization:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9111206/Guilty-of-godsons-murder
What a pair of tits this pair is. The, ‘full time babysitter’, was abusing the child well before his death, so no surprise about the outcome for the, ‘Shit For Brains’, parents.
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August 31, 2013 7:16pm
Kea

“Even zealots reject it.”

We know kea the Syrian hates anything to do with Jewish nationalism,that’s what’s behind his clear obsession with the Bible.It is Jewish.

kowtow, what has Zionism got to do with my atheism ?

You are clearly unaware that Syria is no more a Muslim country than it is a Christian or Jewish one. It is secular. They are quite literally the people of the [your] book. As are your friends in Iraq. Right now it is under attack from religious extermists sponsored by the warlord Obama, chief of the worlds biggest Christian country. Sensible and informed people know he is doing this for the cowardly nationalist jews you mentioned, who want Syria destroyed. I care as much for Israel as you do Syria, in fact I would suggest more. It seems Israel is putting the entire worlds security at risk. Maybe we should wipe it out, in the way you suggest for so many other countries, in your daily anti-Muslim rants ? Or maybe we should just stop the wars and mind our own business…

My opposition to religion is simply because I believe in the truth and there is no evidence of God or the Tooth Fairy, so why believe it ? Of course the world is not wracked with war over the tooth fairy.
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August 31, 2013 7:21pm
Redbaiter

“My opposition to religion is simply because I believe in the truth”

Just what truth is it that requires a belief?
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August 31, 2013 7:25pm
Redbaiter

“a college for the education of ministers & gentlemen”.

Well, I guess they couldn’t win with every pupil. If the basic material isn’t there there’s not much anyone can do.
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August 31, 2013 7:27pm
nasska

You don’t think that the Principal might have been thinking along those lines when he expelled me? 🙂
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August 31, 2013 7:38pm
Redbaiter

Well, that’s the obvious explanation for your obsessive compulsive disorder then isn’t it.
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August 31, 2013 7:44pm
Harriet

….….” those commands were to particular groups of people at particular times……..It gets pretty complicated sorting out the wheat & the chaff in the religion racket…….”

Well it would to people who don’t think! 😎

Of course someone in Biblical times would say that the earth was created around 4000yrs prior to that time as it could be related to!

The history of mathmatics tells us that ‘14,500,000,000’ had no fucken meaning back then.

No one lied – and as we now know, God created earth around 14.5 billion years ago! 😎
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August 31, 2013 7:47pm
Griff

Baity talks shit.

but.

Coprolalia* is a recognized medical condition so we should not make too much fun of him.

*Coprolalia is involuntary swearing or the involuntary utterance of obscene words or socially inappropriate and derogatory remarks. Coprolalia comes from the Greek κόπρος (kopros) meaning “feces” and λαλιά (lalia) from lalein, “to talk”.
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August 31, 2013 7:53pm
Judith

nasska (7,315) Says:
August 31st, 2013 at 7:05 pm
Nothing unnatural went on there Baity….it was “a college for the education … gentlemen

being a gentleman is natural? That is the default value for males? Wow, who ever would have thought! Fortunately I’ve been lucky not to have met too many in my life.
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August 31, 2013 7:54pm
Harriet

“……Reid, belief without evidence [faith] is nothing to be proud of….”

Scientists don’t always have evidence that what they are testing or reseaching will get a positive or desired result. But they do place great faith in what they already have and know.

Why do you think they should all be ashamed of themselves? 😎
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August 31, 2013 7:55pm
nasska

You don’t know what you’re missing Judith. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 7:57pm
SGA

My goodness. Is it a full moon tonight?
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August 31, 2013 7:58pm
nasska

Once upon a time a knight gets stopped in the forest by a fire eating dragon.
“Out of my way dragon or I will slay thee.” said the knight.
“You can not slay me tin man, I’m a fire breathing dragon.” And with that the dragon let out an almighty breath of flame.
“Oh fuck!” Said the knight. “This bastard will roast me alive if I’m not careful.”

“I say dragon, let me pass and I’ll promise you 7 beautiful virgins.”
“Umm, Very well,” said the dragon. “I’ll await your return.”
So off goes the knight. One week later he returns with 7 beautiful girls on his am.

“You took your fucking time,” said the dragon. “Now hand over the 7 virgins.”
“Ah!” said the knight, “I need to talk to you about that …”
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August 31, 2013 8:00pm
Viking2

nasska (7,315) Says:
August 31st, 2013 at 7:05 pm

Nothing unnatural went on there Baity….it was “a college for the education of ministers & gentlemen”. 🙂

Poofs and thier partners you mean?
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Redbaiter (4,388) Says:
August 31st, 2013 at 7:44 pm

Well, that’s the obvious explanation for your obsessive compulsive disorder then isn’t it.

Says the man who is obsesive of other bloggers, who is compulsive in his attacking people and displays his disorder daily for all to see.
When you leaving for Singapore again?
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August 31, 2013 8:01pm
Redbaiter

What a bore.
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August 31, 2013 8:02pm
nasska

I bet there’s a fair old knees up over at Trueblue Baity. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 8:05pm
Redbaiter

Ooops, should have waited. Here’s another of the brain fucked pot heads who strive so desperately to defend their fucked up prog religion. How’s it feel to have fucked a whole country in half a decade knuckle dragger?
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August 31, 2013 8:05pm
Viking2

Baity’s world travels.

http://screencast.com/t/JYyui8qMwXD
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August 31, 2013 8:05pm
Griff

If a bloger blogs and no one reads it. Is it still a blog? or is it merely the incoherent ramblings of a twisted old man slowly slipping further into dementia?

An eneffable question for Master baiter.
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August 31, 2013 8:13pm
Viking2

Baity, here’s a hint.

http://screencast.com/t/hOWlcihM
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August 31, 2013 8:21pm
nasska

You might have something there Griff……earlier someone called him a sad, self important bastard with no life, no mates & a suet pudding personality.

Anyway you can read all about it on his next post on Truebluenz. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 8:26pm
Redbaiter

What is it with these sad sack low IQ progs who think you’re going to click on their links to help them insult you?

Moron’s who are apparently compelled to constantly provide evidence of how dopey they are.
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August 31, 2013 8:35pm
Dazzaman

Disgraceful…..for once I’m in agreement with those who’ve championed that person from THAT case.

A section of quotes from the Herald just to show the arseholeness of the police…..& exactly how to answer the wankers.

Two days after speaking to him in person, Mr Lendrum phoned Mr Stuckey and asked him for an alibi.

“He asked me where I was on the night of the murder … He rang back the next day and asked again. I said, ‘You listen to me and listen real bloody good. If you carry on this way there will be a harassment charge against you.’ That was the finish, that was my answer.”

Mrs Stuckey said: “I know exactly where Buster was the night of the murder. I know exactly where we both were. But I don’t feel compelled to answer that question.

“Arthur had an alibi. We knew where he was on the night of the murder and look where that got him. It didn’t make any difference.”

The pricks are still butthurt about being shown to be as susceptible to underhandedness as the pleb’s. For anyone to believe otherwise is naive in the extreme.

Also, just to clarify, apparently the case has not been reopened. It’s just a “review”….apparently. If they’d had a look at court records they’d have gotten what they wanted I’m sure.

Well done to the Stuckey’s.
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August 31, 2013 8:41pm
Griff

Do you think baity would allow us to insult conservonutters on TrueBluenz nasska?
You do Know that when we point out how futile trueblue is it trebles the readership momentarily as morbid fascination over comes peoples common sense.

Woad is me, the cry from the conservative cohort

If you run you will only be forced to smoke pot then married to your brother.
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August 31, 2013 8:47pm
nasska

Don’t think so Griff. Dissension is frowned upon over at Whackoworldbybaity. com

In any case we’ll never know if anyone visits his blog…..the site meter rusted up six months back. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 8:57pm
Kea

Just what truth is it that requires a belief?

Red, you are not much of a thinker are you ? The truth does not require belief, unlike religion which does not exist outside of the deluded mind of its victims.

I like the Jews best of all. They are at the cutting bleeding edge of progressive thought and seeing how their efforts get you and the conservative god nutters worked up is hilarious, especially when the coservatives then go on to defend gods-chosen people so fanatically. All the while enlightened Jews are bringing in changes which the conservo-nuts regard as the end times 🙂

Seeing the logic fails you guys get yourselves into provides endless entertainment to the informed.
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August 31, 2013 9:08pm
Harriet

“…..You do Know that when we point out how futile trueblue is…..”

And that’s coming from someone who’s link takes them to……….. Miley Syphillus!

What a loser griff…..what a loser. 😎
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August 31, 2013 9:10pm
Griff

Kea

My opposition to religion is simply because I believe in the truth

Facts was the word you should have used mayhap.

Personally I find I am inclined to acknowledge the uncertainly of it all.

After all we pseudonyms are merely a figment of someones imagination.
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August 31, 2013 9:24pm
Griff

Sing along harry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=UrgpZ0fUixs
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August 31, 2013 9:25pm
Redbaiter

“Red, you are not much of a thinker are you ? The truth does not require belief,”

You said it you time wasting self obsessed prog bore.
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August 31, 2013 9:34pm
Griff

Who is defining what we are.
Progress!
Wake up old man your era is rapidly going neolithic.
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August 31, 2013 9:41pm
Kea

Personally I find I am inclined to acknowledge the uncertainly of it all.

Griff, yes philosophically I can not say god does not exist with 100% certainty. But I can say the same about any other imaginary being, like Trolls and the Tooth Fairy. Yet we do not call not believers in other things that have no proof “atheists”. In fact the term atheist is redundant. Non belief is a default position and requires no label, other than perhaps “logical” or “honest”.

The biggest cowards of all are the so called agnostics. Either you believe or you do not. I am happy to make that call, even though intellectually/philosophically I know I can not be 100% certain. Just like I can not be 100% certain Red is not a trans-gender dwarf. I can not be certain about any choice I make. But that does not make those choices “agnostic”.
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August 31, 2013 9:42pm
Tauhei Notts

Griff at 7.53
Coprololia; Should that be spelt “copro logia” the “gia” part pronounced as in Panagia. My Godmother!
The word will be remembered; I will be in Thessaloniki in three weeks time.
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August 31, 2013 9:43pm
Kea

You said it you time wasting self obsessed prog bore.

Red, thats right. Reality does not need your validation and nor do I 🙂 🙂 🙂

(Smiles to cheer you up a bit. You seem out-of-sorts. Did nasska and Griff upset you ? I will have a word with them if you like ? 😉 )
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August 31, 2013 9:45pm
Redbaiter

Its your quote you damn fool, so why are you lecturing me on how wrong it is?

Fuck off you halfwit.
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August 31, 2013 9:47pm
Kea

Reddy, Yes it is my quote and I was attempting to show you how right it is. Reality does not require belief. Eg: If you stop “believing” in gravity you will not float off into space.

If you stop believing in God, you will simply get smarter.

You seem a bit slow on it tonight. Best you lay off the Sherry a bit.
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August 31, 2013 9:54pm
Nostradamus

Kea:

Your first recorded contribution on Kiwiblog (at least under your current alias) was on 9 January 2012.

That’s 7,156 comments over a period of 601 days.

That, in turn, means an average of 12 comments per day.

As far as comment frequency goes, you’re getting into Pete George territory!
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August 31, 2013 9:56pm
Kea

Nostradamus, thanks. I never knew all that. You are clearly a big fan with an impressive collection of Kea trivia. 🙂
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August 31, 2013 10:03pm
Nostradamus

You’re welcome Kea.

Just by way of comparison, Pete George’s first recorded contribution on Kiwiblog (as “Cerium”) was on 27 June 2009.

That means he’s posted 18,975 comments over a period of 1,527 days – an average of 12.4 comments per day.

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting piece of Kiwiblog trivia!
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August 31, 2013 10:09pm
Griff

@Nostradamus
Would you be so kind as to supply the figure’s for red and redII
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August 31, 2013 10:14pm
Nostradamus

Griff:

I’ve had a quick look, but it’s not possible to come up with a definitive answer in Redbaiter’s case.

Here’s my analysis:

1. Redbaiter’s first recorded contribution on Kiwiblog was on 24 February 2005.

2. There’s no comment total attached to that name, which indicates that the account was deleted at some point. It’s impossible to tell how many comments were made under that account.

3. It appears that Redbaiter’s original account was deleted during the 25 hour period between 24 August 2007 at 11:05am and 25 August 2007 at 12:06 pm, when Redbaiter presumably created a new account.

4. The number of comments attached to Redbaiter’s 25 August 2007 comment is 13,197.

5. Redbaiter’s comment total on this thread is 4,393.

6. That implies Redbaiter has posted under at least three different accounts since 2005.
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August 31, 2013 10:39pm
Griff

Thanks
Damn
I was guessing that baity would be the most post per day in at least one of his incarnation’s.
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August 31, 2013 10:59pm
Lucia Maria

I know this thread is old, but I just have to comment on the comment count attached to names. Back in 2005 for all you newbies, there was no comment count attached to names. I don’t know when it came it as I haven’t kept track, but when it did, it didn’t go back and collate all comments to date, it just started from that point for everyone. It’s got nothing to do with deleting accounts.
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September 1, 2013 9:28pm
Lucia Maria

Actually, it looks like the first link given by Nostradamus shows the change over, and I was wrong, it did go back and collate numbers from when the first comment was made. My bad. Look at the other commenters on that thread where there are comments made by them with no numbers such as Tina. First she has no numbers next to her name and then at 8:37pm she does. The database must have been running a batch in the background updating accounts, one by one.
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