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iMP

The Press has videoed several candidates in Christchurch. 1 min each. This guy was up first (one take). Also Jonathan Corfe is great (watch his vid., it’s hilarious when he “shags up”). Faimeh Burke is Sir Kerry Burke’s wife, ex Mp, ex ECan.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/local-elections-2013/council-candidates-videos/9091445/John-Stringer
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August 29, 2013 8:12am
RRM

Repost from last evening as I think this delightful woman deserves more coverage.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/wairarapa-times-age/news/article.cfm?c_id=1503414&objectid=11115300

Maori woman randomly walks up and punches and threatens to cut the throat of a 7-year-old boy out walking with his family.

Because she “hates white children”

But she was mentally unwell at the time so only a suspended sentence.

Will the race relations conciliator get involved?

Will this become a national news incident?

Or is racism something that only white people do?

Why is this dangerous lunatic thing not in jail?
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August 29, 2013 8:12am
KiwiGreg

Well mentally unwell is mentally unwell whatever the race; certainly doesn’t sound like rational behaviour.

But yes, only white people can be racists.
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August 29, 2013 8:14am
flipper

News addicts would have seen brief reports on Mallard’s gratuitous attack on Smith in The House yesterday afternoon. If you did not see it, go to the draft Hansard reports.

To my mind, this was the most direct, personal, and bottom of the barrel scraping episode, since Colin Moyle took on Thea Muldoon’s cat. Rob later, and famously, got his revenge on Moyle in the House when he was caught lying over that Wellington toilet / Police episode.

Mallard should beware. Folks in and around politics have a very long memory. I am no fan of Nick’s blue-green policies, but what Mallard did was personal, family, and DIRTY. It was absolutely, bloody, disgraceful. JK’s and BGB’s interventions with timely (but non personal) hint questions on Clark and Shearer, showed Mallard up for the smart-arsed, unconsionable prick that he really is.

Can’t remember whether the duck shooting season is still open, but mallards may soon become a much sought-after species. 
🙂
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August 29, 2013 8:21am
Nigel Kearney

Why are we still funding the UN? Surely we can do better than paying for a system where Syria gets to gas its own people and be protected by its main arms supplier.
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August 29, 2013 8:25am
Keeping Stock

Nice to see that all the #Labour’sGotTalent contestants have rushed to condemn Trevor Mallard after his scurrilous attack on Nick Smith and his family yesterday.

Actually; I semi-jest. None of them have, despite a number of people sending a tweet similar to this to @grantrobertson1, @DavidCunliffeMP and @matuashane :

Do you support or endorse Trevor Mallard’s attack on Nick Smith and his children this afternoon?

The nearest I got to a reply was a comment from one of Jones’ supporters that Mallard was backing Robertson, and certainly wouldn’t feature largely in the Jones plan.

Mallard is a serial muck-raker, but yesterday was low, even by his standards.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/08/leave-it-out-trevor.html
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August 29, 2013 8:30am
All_on_Red

The best line of the Australian 2013 election campaign, from Tony Abbott:
“If you want to know my character, ask my colleagues. If you want to know Mr Rudd’s character, ask his colleagues”

I’m sure John Key would have fun saying this about silent T Cunliffe
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August 29, 2013 8:35am
Gavin01

Nigel K
How do you know that it was the Syrian govt and not the rebels who used the gas, why not wait till the UN inspectors have reported back after all the Syrian govt has everything to lose and the rebels everything to gain over the use of chemical warfare. Patience my friend and let the truth come out then act.
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August 29, 2013 8:40am
CHFR

Gavin01 it looks like it may have been the Syrian govt after all but the question is was it an authorised attack or an insider playing for the other side. Either way I think we should stay the hell out as all I can see is a regional war getting much bigger and the consiquences don’t bear thinking about.

I also note the sound of crickets coming from the U S left over this possible intervention by the Obama administration. I have no issue with their objection to what Bush did but some consistancy would be appreciated.
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August 29, 2013 8:46am
UglyTruth

http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.nz/2013/08/gas-rockets-fired-from-rebel-area-of.html

Top journalist Pepe Escobar, of Asia Times, reports:

pepe.escobar.77377/posts/10151840247251678 / via brian

“Khalil Harb, of Lebanese paper As-Safir, confirmed a few minutes ago to my great friend Claudio Gallo an article published in Arabic two days ago, quoting a Russian source.

“According to the source, Russia’s ambassador in the UN Security Council, Vitaly Churkin, presented conclusive evidence – based on documents and Russian satellite images – of two rockets carrying toxic chemicals, fired from Douma, controlled by the Syrian “rebels”, and landing on East Ghouta.

“Hundreds of ‘rebels’, as well as civilians – including those children on the cover of Western corporate media papers – were killed.

“The evidence, says the Russian source, is conclusive.

“This is what Lavrov himself was hinting at yesterday.

“And that’s the reason there’s no UN Security Council resolution against Syria, and why Washington does not want the inspectors to find anything.”
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August 29, 2013 9:01am
Nigel Kearney

So to summarise, a journalist heard from his friend that another journalist read an article in Arabic where a source reported that a Russian presented some evidence supporting their client. Not 100% convincing.

In any case, we couldn’t get UN authorization to act against Yugoslavia when Milosevic undisputably had his troops digging big holes in Kosovo and filling them with dead Albanians. Syria is no different – the UN will not act against Syria because they have immunity purchased from corrupt Russian officials.
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August 29, 2013 9:14am
Elaycee

“Khalil Harb, of Lebanese paper As-Safir, confirmed a few minutes ago to my great friend Claudio Gallo an article published in Arabic two days ago, quoting a Russian source.

So a cut and pasted comment from an Asian blog / of a reporter telling a friend / about something published in an Arabic newspaper / quoting an unknown Russian source.

That makes it true, then?

Sheesh….. I’m sure you’ll also be interested in a Nigerian investment opportunity I was sent recently.

EDIT: @Nigel Kearney (9.14am) – Snap!
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August 29, 2013 9:15am
Alan

If anyone did that to my kid, I’d have put the bitch in the ground.
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August 29, 2013 9:16am
kowtow

How many protesters did Egyptian govt forces gun down in the last couple of weeks?More than died in Damascus.

Air strikes on Cairo?

No,didn’t think so.
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August 29, 2013 9:29am
Ashley Schaeffer

I’d be leaving the district if it was my kid. With that crazy bitch walking around, he’s not safe and you can’t rely on the Police to protect you at all times. “When seconds count, the Police are just minutes away.”
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August 29, 2013 9:29am
UglyTruth

That makes it true, then?

No necessarily, it’s only a story. But given the modus operandi of the enemies of Assad’s regime it is a plausible one IMO.
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August 29, 2013 9:30am
David Garrett

What a terrible tragedy the double killing in South Auckland and the suicide much nearer to me is…Without meaning any disrespect or feeling any lack of sympathy for the couple who appear to have been murdered, I feel for the poor bastard who was apparently responsible, and then, having painted himself into a corner from which there was no way out, took the only one he felt available to him. A tragic reminder of how a person’s life can unravel relatively quickly, with tragic consequences for all.
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August 29, 2013 9:35am
dime

DG – Just read about the guy in the Herald. Its a sad story for all involved.

Also a reminder about the perils of internet dating. Lots of freak shows and broken people
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August 29, 2013 9:38am
dime

“Maori woman randomly walks up and punches and threatens to cut the throat of a 7-year-old boy out walking with his family.”

Maori women scare Dime more than anyone else Dime comes across in public. If I think back to the last 10 people I saw nutting off in public, screaming, kicking shit, being violent… 8 would be Maori women.

Its just another symptom of a group of people who are going down hill fast. Walking around with this huge sense of entitlement. “we own this fucking place”.. yet they drive around in old cars, have no money.. things like nice homes, cars, money are reserved for the maori elite who are out there fighting for all Maori!

No doubt people like Dime get the blame though. Not the lefty shit heads who created this mess.
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August 29, 2013 9:41am
David Garrett

Dime: Good to see that you see the same tragedy in this story that I do…most will just – quite rightly – condemn the guy for killing two people, but it really is a triple sided tragedy….
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August 29, 2013 9:44am
SGA

@ David Garrett (4,148) at 9:35 am

My reaction too – and so sad for those people close to all those who died.
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August 29, 2013 9:49am
wikiriwhis business

Rand Paul via Senator Rand Paul
Senator Barack Obama in 2007: President of the United States lacks Constitutional authority to unilaterally authorize military attack w/out “actual or imminent threat to nation.”

http://bo.st/6sTzx
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August 29, 2013 9:54am
cha

In any case, we couldn’t get UN authorization to act against Yugoslavia when Milosevic undisputably had his troops digging big holes in Kosovo and filling them with dead Albanians.

Any half decent despot knows that a slow burn will be in ignored.

But Assad, like his deposed brothers in arms, seems to struggle with the idea of moderation in his turpitude. Former NATO Secretary General Javier Solana was once told by a Serbian general that the joke making the rounds within the ranks was, “A village a day, keeps NATO away.” That is to say, that if the Serbs only slowly pushed out ethnic Albanians from Kosovo, they would be fine. NATO would respond to massive depopulation of the countryside, but would largely look past a slow burn. This was black humor, but it was probably accurate. Most Western powers were not itching for an intervention in Kosovo, nor are they in Syria.

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/08/26/the_supervillain_syndrome_bashar_assad_syria
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August 29, 2013 9:58am
Ashley Schaeffer

Maori women scare Dime more than anyone else Dime comes across in public. If I think back to the last 10 people I saw nutting off in public, screaming, kicking shit, being violent… 8 would be Maori women.

The only time I ever saw a school teacher being aasaulted when I was a kid was by a Maori girl aged 12. She nutted out and really laid into this male Maori teacher with her fists. She was a big girl too, way bigger and stronger than us boys. After sustaining a few blows to the face and being unable to restrain her, he finally lost his cool and planted her one back which stopped her cold but didn’t do any real harm – and then he got the sack. Complete injustice – she was nuts and should have been expelled, still feel sorry for the guy to this day.

An assault on a teacher was an extremely rare event then, probably not so much now.
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August 29, 2013 10:02am
Jack5

For those multiculturists who say they champion diversity because it makes for a more interesting country. They’re right!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/sport/9099607/Bans-handed-out-for-violence-on-football-fields
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August 29, 2013 10:06am
Scott

Replying to RRM at 8:12 a.m., the Maori woman in Masterton who threatened to kill a child in the street. I would look at it this way – in my experience there are a number of people on the street who are mentally ill and in the past would have been in institutions. With the demise of mental health institutions and the rise of the “community” looking after mentally ill people, we see more and more of this kind of incident.

I don’t personally know this woman, but from the judges comments she probably is mentally ill, therefore of reduced capacity to make moral choices, she probably is under medication, and the right place for her might be a mental health facility. But we don’t have any such facilities.

For some time I have been of the view that we need to re-examine the way we treat mentally ill people. We seem to drug them up to the eyeballs and then release them into the community. And that’s why we get incidents like this one. The medication only seems to work for so long and then all the persons frustrations just come out. I actually think we need to consider building new mental health facilities for people just like this, who pose a danger to the community and a danger to themselves.
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August 29, 2013 10:10am
UglyTruth

foreign policy journal? puh-leeze..

… fpj now breathlessly reports that the same people who came up with a story about Iraq’ WMDs are asking us to trust them about communications they say that they intercepted…

American intelligence analysts are certain that chemical weapons were used on Aug. 21 — the captured phone calls, combined with local doctors’ accounts and video documentation of the tragedy — are considered proof positive. That is why the U.S. government, from the president on down, has been unequivocal in its declarations that the Syrian military gassed thousands of civilians in the East Ghouta region.

Non sequitur much?
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August 29, 2013 10:12am
David Garrett

Ashley: If you think Maori women can pack a punch, best you avoid Islanders! the only time I ever saw stars was after my estranged wife walloped me on the chin…never even saw it coming….From memory I deserved it…but then it’s hard to tell; the memory has never been quite the same since…

Scott: Well said…”community care” for the mentally ill must be the biggest oxymoron of our time…
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August 29, 2013 10:12am
Jack5

How do you sort out the goodies from the baddies in Syria?

I’m puzzled how America, France, and Britain seem to have decided on intervention, when the side they are backing, nasties with chemicals and gas, also include al qaeda and other Islamic extremists, some of whom are into wholesale slaughter of Syria’s Christians and at least one other religious minority.

It’s a bit like Bosnia. Al Qaeda was on the same side as the West there. Muslim slaughter of Christian Serbs, tut! tut! Serb slaughter of Muslim Bosnians, bomb the fuckers into the Stone Age.
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August 29, 2013 10:15am
cha

foreign policy journal? puh-leeze..

I’m so sorry Glen – henceforth I promise to cite wingnut sites and wingnut sites only.
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August 29, 2013 10:19am
wikiriwhis business

RFID Chips being marketed as Cool and Stylish Digital Tattoos !

The Devil worshiping technocrats are now using state run media to promote human tracking chips aka RFID chips as cool and stylish digital tattoos.

This marks the final stages of a New World Order where everyone will be reduced to nothing more then live stock that can be easily track, traced, monitored and controlled by a demonic few that see human beings as useless eaters that must be eliminated or enslaved.

Many have warned that this technology was coming and what it would be used for only to be ridiculed and laughed at … well look whose laughing now !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ycbt3Vee1U
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August 29, 2013 10:20am
David Garrett

Jack: Also well said Sir…but isn’t the wider question what mandate the US – or “the West” for that matter – has to act as global policeman? Surely if there is any kind of “intervention” it has to be a UN one…and Yes, I am well aware what a useless organization that has become…

Look at Iraq FFS…”regime change” there went very well, and the US was in and out in no time…
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August 29, 2013 10:22am
UglyTruth

I’m so sorry Glen – henceforth I promise to cite wingnut sites and wingnut sites only.

That’s OK, I understand that you’ve got to cater for a target audience that thinks that a chemical weapons attack means that you’ve got to blame whoever the US administration tells you to blame.
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August 29, 2013 10:26am
cha

Be great if you could point out to me where I mentioned chemical weapons or the US or who did what to who.
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August 29, 2013 10:29am
wikiriwhis business

As you watch and digest the horror and
false flag hysteria in Syria, here’s some
background on the “logic” of how countries
become “terrorist” threats overnight.

Video:

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/3869.html
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August 29, 2013 10:31am
Jack5

Stephen Franks is good on journalists’ privacy in his blog, and also has an interesting piece on clawbacks in liquidations, which should be of interest to subbies, who often take a hammering in a collapse

http://www.stephenfranks.co.nz/

Re David G’s 10.22, I agree, David.

In Cold War days, NATO, SEATO etc seemed to be heavily defence based, but the US and UK and France seem to have got into a pattern of stepping in to sort things out. Surely, the only defence aspect for the “West” here is that of Israel, and to a lesser extent Jordan, and the Israelis with their strong armed forces and sophisticated, high tech – now mainly home-developed, can look after themselves very well indeed — and look after Jordan, too, if necessary.
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August 29, 2013 10:37am
Fletch

More black on white attacks in the U.S also.

PITTSBURGH — A woman who said she was brutally attacked by a group of black teenagers in Pittsburgh’s North Side Sunday said the girls savagely beat her while calling her racial slurs.

Ginger Slepski said she suffered multiple injuries, including torn shoulder ligaments. She said she thought the girls were going to kill her.

“I thought it was so animalistic. So violent. I’m so afraid for these girls to get out and walk the streets,” Slepski said.

Police said Slepski was savagely beaten after the girls threw a bottle at her car on Concord Street and she stopped to confront them.

“I was mad. I knew they were younger. I thought they were in their early 20s. I got out and said, ‘What is your problem?’” Slepski said.
All four African-American girls then called her names before getting physically violent.

“They yelled, ‘Shut up white [expletive].’ The other said, ‘Get that white [expletive],’” Slepski said.
Slepski said she tried to get back into her car but the girls grabbed her by the hair.

“The one punched me in the head and I was on a set of concrete steps and my head hit the concrete so hard,” said Slepski. “Then they all got on top of me and all their hands were in my hair. They kept telling each other to, ‘Kick her in the head. Kick her head in the concrete.’”

Slepski said several people witnessed the attack but were too afraid to intervene.

“Another woman was yelling at the girls, ‘I’m calling the police!’ And it’s like it only made it worse,” Slepski said.
Slepski said a man finally jumped in and helped Slepski escape from under the group of girls.

“I do feel like it was very racially motivated and I grew up in the neighborhood,” she said.

Slepski said her injuries are keeping her from working as an electrician and she’s worried about having the means to take care of her daughters.
The teens allegedly involved were all charged with robbery and ethnic intimidation.

http://www.wpxi.com/news/news/woman-brutally-beaten-group-teens-north-side-says-/nZfFy/

And –

PORTLAND (KGW) – Police were warning bicyclists in Northeast Portland to be on the lookout after two men were injured during separate attacks along Northeast Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard.

On Saturday night, 20-year-old Andy Sweeney said he was riding his bike near the intersection of Northeast Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard and Northeast Fargo Street when three teenagers threw a traffic cone at him, hitting him in the face.

Sweeney suffered a concussion and two of his front teeth were shattered from the attack.

“It’s crazy,” said Sweeney. “I don’t really understand their motivation or what they were going for.”

Last week, a 64-year-old man reported that he was also attacked by teens while riding his bike on Northeast Going Street near Martin Luther King, Jr. Boulevard, according to Sgt. Pete Simpson of the Portland Police Bureau.

“One of [the teens] punched him in the shoulder, which knocked him off his bike and he hit the ground,” Simpson said.

The newspapers didn’t comment on the race of the offenders, but when the victim was asked via Reddit what they looked like –

cored3sign 20 points 3 days ago
Can you describe them? (Fellow daily commuter cyclist here.)

permalinkparentpocket
[–]SpanishMoles[S] 75 points 3 days ago
Welp, look out for three black kids in hoodies.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Bicyclists-attacked-in-NE-Portland–221350601.html
http://www.reddit.com/r/Portland/comments/1l2bc6/some_kids_threw_a_traffic_cone_at_me_while_i_was/?sort=old

These racial attacks seem to be picking up…
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August 29, 2013 10:41am
Keeping Stock

@ DG and dime – internet dating is not all bad, and I have the wedding ring to prove it 😀

But this is an especially sad case. Almost right from the outset it seemed inevitable that there would be a jilted lover somewhere in the mix. Rejection does strange things for some people, and the combination of a damaged individual and a loaded gun has had tragic consequences for three families.
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August 29, 2013 10:43am
Griff

Alan (497) Says:
August 29th, 2013 at 9:16 am

If anyone did that to my kid, I’d have put the bitch in the ground.

Then you are a stone age savage as well.
The problem of violence is a cultural one within maoridom.
Violence is enabled within maori culture by the propensity of maori to think utu is the appropriate response in resolving grievance.
You are displaying the same cultural artifact: utu or vigilanteism a throw back to the Neolithic Era .
A time of Stateless society where the tribe or family weld power without the concepts we have developed since humanity began to create large city states around 3500 years ago.
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August 29, 2013 10:45am
Fletch

@wikiriwhis business, at least one blogger thinks it is awfully convenient for this Syria stuff to come up now.

It’s just convenient — awfully convenient. That’s all I’m saying.

It’s convenient for U.S. Mideast policy that after three years of covert support for the al-Qaeda mercenaries who lead the Syrian “rebels,” the Obama Administration should suddenly be gifted with an attack on civilians, attributed to the Syrian government, by means of one of the most despised weapons ever devised by mankind: poison gas.

This attack by the Syrian government comes with good timing, just as support was wavering for a publicly acknowledged U.S. military presence in the region.

It also takes attention off the Administration’s mess in Egypt, in which it supported the Nazi-spawned, terrorist Muslim Brotherhood against the Egyptian majority, despite broad evidence of a stolen election. Now that the military has taken over, the Administration has compounded its errors by cutting funding for what may be the best hope for a reasonably moderate democracy in the land of the Pharaohs.

Stepping up the rhetoric about Syria also serves as yet another distraction to keep America from thinking about Benghazi, an attack that occurred not because of an anti-Muslim YouTube video but because the Administration was once again collaborating with terrorists and smugglers to get heavy weapons and personnel into Syria by way of Turkey. Something went sour on that deal, and we wound up with four dead Americans.

As Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin said, the U.S. is like “a monkey with a hand grenade” in the Mideast.

It’s strange to think, after what happened to Saddam Hussein in neighboring Iraq after the world thought he used nerve gas against Kurds, that the Syrian government that has been wrapped up in civil war for three years would suddenly throw caution and international opinion to the wind.

The Syrian government had to know that chemical weapons would be a guaranteed way to get the nations of the world to beat a path to its door.

It’s curious that the Syrians would invite such trouble.

On the other hand, anybody who had an ax to grind with Syria but who wanted to appear worthy of his unearned Nobel Peace Prize would have a lot of incentive to stage a phony attack. … Perhaps someone with delusions of carving out a reinvigorated Muslim caliphate under his personal control.

Yes, such an attack would be very convenient indeed.

It does remind me of that movie “Wag The Dog”
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August 29, 2013 10:46am
UglyTruth

Be great if you could point out to me where I mentioned chemical weapons or the US or who did what to who.

No, it wouldn’t.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/08/26/syria-another-western-war-crime-in-the-making/

The US and UK governments have revealed none of the “conclusive evidence” they claim to have that the Syrian government used chemical weapons. Listening to their voices, observing their body language, and looking into their eyes, it is completely obvious that John Kerry and his British and German puppets are lying through their teeth. This is a far more shameful situation than the massive lies that former Secretary of State Colin Powell told the UN about Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. Colin Powell claims that he was deceived by the White House and did not know that he was lying. Kerry and the British, French, and German puppets know full well that they are lying.
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August 29, 2013 10:51am
wikiriwhis business

WW3: Russia and China Warn of “Catastrophic Consequences” in Syria

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FRafe-20pWM
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August 29, 2013 10:52am
kowtow

jack5 and the undoubted benefits of immigration and multiculturalism which we must celebrate and embrace.

Same in “tolerant” Holland. The media went out of their way to ensure that “multiculturalism” wasn’t a feature of the killing.

The hint though is the father charged has the exotic surname El Hasan.

Remember it’s only racism when a white whacks any shade of non white.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/richard-nieuwenhuizen-death-six-teenagers-and-50yearold-father-convicted-of-manslaughter-in-shocking-case-of-referee-killed-over-a-game-of-football-8662177.html
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August 29, 2013 10:57am
Jack5

Griff posted at 10.45:

The problem of violence is a cultural one within maoridom.

There is also a genetic factor, Griff, or there is no such thing as evolution.

In long generations of warfare, the meek strain will surely be eliminated.

Sadly, when the converse happens you get the tragedy that occurred in the Chatham Islands, when the peaceful, long-isolated Moriori were slaughtered and enslaved by Taranaki Maori – less than 200 years ago.
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August 29, 2013 11:00am
wikiriwhis business

This is MASSIVE. PLEASE SHARE. Intelligence Suggests Assad Not Behind Chemical Weapons Attack – Intercepted phone calls indicate that the chemical weapons attack was not ordered by the Syrian government! http://www.infowars.com/intelligence-suggests-assad-not-behind-chemical-weapons-attack/
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August 29, 2013 11:02am
Yvette

After Mallard’s dirty attack yesterday suggesting Nick Smith had been a squatter, Gerry Brownlie reasonably wanted to know whether David Shearer should loose certain conditions since he has in fact stood himself down from Leader, but of course the question should be asked of the whole of the Labour Party, because in the 20 months since the last Election they have done nothing but squat in the Opposition and fuck about over changing their Leader, and are still using a considerable amount of tax payer money in doing just that.
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August 29, 2013 11:02am
Fletch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNo0BicRM8k
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August 29, 2013 11:06am
David Garrett

KS: Good on you..”on several levels” as the persons appearing on Nat Rad are fond of saying….

But as a sometime internet dater myself, I completely endorse Dime’s comments about “broken people” who go there…and it’s not just the blokes!

..and I also thoroughly second your comment about a “damaged individual and a loaded gun”…of all the many reasons I am happy to be able to speak freely now, one that makes me particularly happy is I am able to completely reject the views of the faction in ACT we used to call the “gun nuts”…
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August 29, 2013 11:07am
OneTrack

“I’d be leaving the district if it was my kid. With that crazy bitch walking around, he’s not safe and you can’t rely on the Police to protect you at all times”

It sounds like every white 7-8 year old in that community is now not safe. The nutbar wont remember the actual kid involved in this incident anyway. In the same breath, if it was my kid I would probably leave.

Thanks judge. You da man.
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August 29, 2013 11:08am
dime

“I completely endorse Dime’s comments about “broken people” who go there…and it’s not just the blokes!”

No shit! Dime has met some absolute nutjobs on dating sites.

Dime has also met some very cool chicks on there. Met my latest gf online. Im a big fan 😛

My last gf was met online too. the cougar 😀
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August 29, 2013 11:12am
wikiriwhis business

n this episode of the Keiser Report, Max Keiser and Stacy Herbert discuss the U.S. regulator’s case against JP Morgan for violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, known in polite circles as ‘client hires.’ In the second half, Max talks to George Galloway, a Member of Parliament, about the film, The Killing of Tony Blair, that he is crowdfunding on Kickstarter. The film explores the financial killing the former prime minister has made on the mass killings in the various wars he started across the Middle East.

Dime needs to watch this so he learns how bankers work

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAMljMkWi3Q
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August 29, 2013 11:27am
SGA

Jack5 at 11:00 am

Griff posted at 10.45:
The problem of violence is a cultural one within maoridom.

There is also a genetic factor, Griff, or there is no such thing as evolution.
In long generations of warfare, the meek strain will surely be eliminated.

Sadly, when the converse happens you get the tragedy that occurred in the Chatham Islands, when the peaceful, long-isolated Moriori were slaughtered and enslaved by Taranaki Maori – less than 200 years ago.

Like the Scots, Irish, Welsh, and English (for example) have spent the last 2000 years doing nothing but write poetry and play the lyre.
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August 29, 2013 11:29am
backster

GRIFF…….I hear on the news that it is the worst grape harvest ever in France following on last year which was almost as bad. Cold wet weather is the culprit. Could you get your mate Jim Salinger to go over and improve their temperatures.
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August 29, 2013 11:34am
kowtow

…..writing poetry and playing the lyre……

oh fuck any minute now kea will be along to tell us poetry and music was a gift of the fucken Arabs or Indians for which we should be forever humbled and grateful…..

Meanwhile ‘We Oirish”

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/garda%C3%AD-arrest-suspect-in-dublin-bicycle-shooting-1.1508710
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August 29, 2013 11:57am
Griff

Meh
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/gistemp/nmaps.cgi?year_last=2013&month_last=7&sat=4&sst=3&type=anoms&mean_gen=0303&year1=2013&year2=2013&base1=1990&base2=1999&radius=1200&pol=reg
Nasty spring cold wet for parts of Europe also nasty spring hot dry for parts as well. same pattern evident in the usa

The melting of sea ice in the Arctic has diminished the difference in temperatures between the equator and the poles, causing the jet stream to settle into a fixed pattern, reducing thenormal west-to-east flow of weather systems. If it rains today, expect rain tomorrow. If it is hot today, expect it to be hot tomorrow.
http://blog.ucsusa.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/JetStreamDiagramVorticity.jpg

http://5thworld.com/Paradigm/Postings/!Knowledge/Jet_Stream_Stuck.html

The trapped trough keeps the southwest broiling and the east wet. Welcome to the new world.
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August 29, 2013 12:07pm
dime

wiki – i find that guy painful to watch.

ill have a look when i get home though
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August 29, 2013 12:11pm
laworder

Scott wrote

Replying to RRM at 8:12 a.m., the Maori woman in Masterton who threatened to kill a child in the street. I would look at it this way – in my experience there are a number of people on the street who are mentally ill and in the past would have been in institutions. With the demise of mental health institutions and the rise of the “community” looking after mentally ill people, we see more and more of this kind of incident.

I don’t personally know this woman, but from the judges comments she probably is mentally ill, therefore of reduced capacity to make moral choices, she probably is under medication, and the right place for her might be a mental health facility. But we don’t have any such facilities.

For some time I have been of the view that we need to re-examine the way we treat mentally ill people. We seem to drug them up to the eyeballs and then release them into the community. And that’s why we get incidents like this one. The medication only seems to work for so long and then all the persons frustrations just come out. I actually think we need to consider building new mental health facilities for people just like this, who pose a danger to the community and a danger to themselves.

So so true! This is exactly the problem – wholesale deinstitutionalisation has served nobody well, least of all the mentally ill themselves.

Scott (and others) may be interested in contributing to a panel discussion which is to be held at Lecture Theatre LT1 School of Architecture & Design, Te Aro Campus,Vivian Street, Wellington on September 23 at 6.30pm, where the following topics will be discussed by a panel made up of victims and survivors, lawyers, doctors and others dealing with the criminally mentally ill.
Should the proper verdict be “proven but insane” rather than “not guilty by reason of insanity”?

• Should persons who have killed, but been found not legally responsible for their actions nevertheless have a conviction recorded against them?

• Should such people be discharged to a prison, once modern drugs have restored their sanity? For how long should they be held?

• Who should decide when they are fit to be released into society; either by way of temporary leave from an institution or permanently?

• Whose rights are paramount? – those of society in general, and the victims in particular, or the killers’?

• How do we ensure that formerly insane killers remain medicated and thus no greater threat to society than anyone else?

As well as the panel discussion we will be inviting participation from the assembled audience.

This has been set up by Psychle in conjunction with other interested parties. Psychle is an initiative of the Sensible Sentencing Trust to deal with Mental Health issues as they impact on crime https://www.facebook.com/pages/PSYCHLE/139459116136175

Regards
Peter Jenkins
http://www.sst.org.nz
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August 29, 2013 12:15pm
Dirty Rat

Agree with Dime’s sentiments

Internet dating is just full of nutters…………..
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August 29, 2013 12:27pm
wikiriwhis business

‘wiki – i find that guy painful to watch.

ill have a look when i get home though’

Thanks Dime

His guest George Galloway is awesum and I believe this vid to be one of the most important political/financial statements

in recent years .
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August 29, 2013 12:34pm
dime

Radio Live really does crack me up.

Todays its about martin luther king as an orator. do any kiwis stack up?

the first guy calls in and says, lange.. then… jacinda adern HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

the guy sounded uneducated and votes green. go figure.
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August 29, 2013 12:37pm
F E Smith

His guest George Galloway is awesum

Please tell me that was sarcastic!!!

How anyone could believe that that far-left, anti-semitic, scumbag is awesome is well beyond my understanding.
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August 29, 2013 12:41pm
nickb

the first guy calls in and says, lange.. then… jacinda adern HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA

Are you serious? I would post the video of her shouting “COMRADES” at the World Socialist Youth forum or whatever it was…. think WOBH posted it a while back.
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August 29, 2013 12:42pm
Griff

Jack5
Your statement is inherently racist .
I agree 100% that a genetic disposition can increase the propensity to use violence and has a race factor.
We are an animal that is acting mostly on a instinctive level and an unsurprising correlation exists between many differences that members of our species display.
I have seen cases when the personality of a child is mirrored in that of the father when the father has had 0 input besides genetics/ He’s just like his father !. The same is often evident when I meet members of my extended family despite the wildly different upbringings we have been exposed to.
This is how you define racist hence my PC use of carefully constructed language and argument so dialog towards examining maori culture without the racist dimension can occur.
Still a stone age savage is a stone age savage no matter how you sugar the fact. Unlinking maoridom from their tribalism is going to solve the cultural problems of crime and violence not pushing them further back into outdated pre civilization concepts in social structure.
Inferior genetics are a huge problem for maori but………Hybrids can and should do better. Presently we give the irresponsible genes within maoridom free rain by enabling the less socially attuned genetics to breed rampantly with no social consequence. Dominant males who are scattering seed and offspring unconstrained from normal social constructs like responsibility to support your genetic offspring are enhancing the genetics society needs to suppress
This suppression in nature would be by exclusion of those who display such apparent traits. our present social paradigm has forgotten Darwin’s theory and instead has been taken over by those whose Altruism is blinding them to reality.

In short too fucking right
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August 29, 2013 12:46pm
mandk

Keeping Stock @ 10.43 “internet dating is not all bad, and I have the wedding ring to prove it”

ditto
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August 29, 2013 12:49pm
Ryan Sproull

Conversations on Kiwiblog can be terrifying sometimes.
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August 29, 2013 12:51pm
kowtow

Martin Luther King

ONe of his rellies in an interview has just said “Children are still suffering and need better education”

I reckon they ,the USA have (like us) a great education system. Blacks simply have to “engage” in it and make the most of all those taxpayers’ dollars being poured into them.

That’s the problem ,it’s always outside agencies(honkey,class,slavery,colonialism,capitalism,whatever) to blame for personal failure.
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August 29, 2013 12:51pm
Andrei

LOL

A New Zealand evangelical church with a long history of opposition to gay marriage and ties to the King family had a coveted spot during Wednesday’s ceremonies honoring the 1963 March on Washington.

The Destiny Church sent 12 tattooed male dancers to the ceremony to perform a traditional Maori dance called the haka.

Under the banner of “enough is enough,” Destiny Church led a string of huge protest rallies in several New Zealand cities nine years ago amid debate in parliament over gay marriage. The church draws its membership heavily from the country’s native Maori population.

On Wednesday, the dancers’ nearly five-minute performance came a little after noon, a few hours before speeches at the same spot by President Barack Obama and former presidents Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton, all of whom support gay marriage. President Obama and other speakers invoked gay rights as part of the larger civil-rights movement. The White House declined to comment.

http://youtu.be/rLmS9e_4m6A
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August 29, 2013 12:53pm
kowtow

Griff citing Darwin.

Could some races be less evolved than others?
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August 29, 2013 12:54pm
wf

Asylum: n. sanctuary; protection. (OED)

We didn’t do the fragile and vulnerable members of our society any favors when we insisted on their right to live independently in society. I remember seeing a young woman walking through Newtown in Wellington wearing a short slip petticoat and no underwear. She obviously wasn’t quite in the present, and it was a cold day too. People like that need care and protection, as does the Mad Woman of Masterton, and as do those who cannot cope with emotional turmoil.

Every time I drive past Kimberly, which lies empty these days, I wish that it could be used again (but differently) as an asylum for those who need safe care.
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August 29, 2013 12:54pm
F E Smith

Should the proper verdict be “proven but insane” rather than “not guilty by reason of insanity”?

Well, I think that would be ‘proved’ rather than ‘proven’, but to address the point: it would not be correct, because a vital part of the charge is that there be intent to commit the crime, and being insane pretty much takes away the ability to form the intent.

an accused pleading insanity must show that, by reason of natural imbecility or disease of the mind, he was incapable of understanding the nature and quality of his act or of knowing that it was morally wrong by accepted standards.

Why would you want to punish someone who fits within that description? Are you that nasty that you simply want to punish everyone, regardless of the circumstances?

As to the other questions:

Should persons who have killed, but been found not legally responsible for their actions nevertheless have a conviction recorded against them?

No, because if they are insane then they are generally not fit to stand trial.

Should such people be discharged to a prison, once modern drugs have restored their sanity? For how long should they be held?

No. Because they did not commit an offence, because they were insane.

Who should decide when they are fit to be released into society; either by way of temporary leave from an institution or permanently?

A judge under mental health laws.

Whose rights are paramount? – those of society in general, and the victims in particular, or the killers’?

None are paramount. All must be taken into account.

How do we ensure that formerly insane killers remain medicated and thus no greater threat to society than anyone else?

Well, they may not need medication.

This really is not a huge issue in our criminal justice system. Very few people are acquitted by reason or insanity, or are found unfit to plead by way of insanity. And we don’t really have the concept of ‘temporary insanity’ that is sometimes seen in US jurisdictions.
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August 29, 2013 12:56pm
Redbaiter

Deborah Coddington and Muriel Newman were both members of ACT.

Coddington just tweeted-

“Just had to look up something on Muriel Newman’s NZCPR site. Badly need to shower now.”

Bitchy comment. Muriel Newman is a brave person who has the gumption to resist the institutionalised racial fraud Coddington is part of.
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August 29, 2013 12:56pm
wikiriwhis business

A Plutocracy Ruled by Self-Centered Jerks?

Two studies released last week confirmed what most of us already knew: the ultra-wealthy tend to be narcissistic and have a greater sense of entitlement than the rest of us, and Congress only pays attention to their interests. Both studies are consistent with earlier research.

In the first study, published in the current Personality and Social Psychology Bulletin, Paul Piff of UC Berkeley conducted five experiments which demonstrated that “higher social class is associated with increased entitlement and narcissism.” Given the opportunity, Piff also found that they were more likely to check themselves out in a mirror than were those of lesser means.

Piff looked at how participants scored on a standard scale of “psychological entitlement,” and found that those of a high social class — based on income levels, education and occupational prestige — were more likely to say “I honestly feel I’m just more deserving than others,” while people further down the social ladder were likelier to respond, “I do not necessarily deserve special treatment.”

In an earlier study, published last year in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, Piff and four researchers from the University of Toronto conducted a series of experiments which found that “upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals.” This included being more likely to “display unethical decision-making,” steal, lie during a negotiation and cheat in order to win a contest.

In one telling experiment, the researchers observed a busy intersection, and found that drivers of luxury cars were more likely to cut off other drivers and less likely to stop for pedestrians crossing the street than those behind the wheels of more modest vehicles. “In our crosswalk study, none of the cars in the beater-car category drove through the crosswalk,” Piff told The New York Times. “But you see this huge boost in a driver’s likelihood to commit infractions in more expensive cars.” He added: “BMW drivers are the worst.”

http://billmoyers.com/2013/08/27/a-plutocracy-ruled-by-self-centered-jerks/
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August 29, 2013 1:03pm
Fletch

FFS, would King have considered “gay rights” anything to do with civil rights? I doubt it.
Obama and his cohort are twisting the legacy of King to suit their own purpose.

One may well ask: “How can you advocate breaking some laws and obeying others?” The answer lies in the fact that there are two types of laws: just and unjust. I would be the first to advocate obeying just laws. One has not only a legal but a moral responsibility to obey just laws. Conversely, one has a moral responsibility to disobey unjust laws. I would agree with St. Augustine that “an unjust law is no law at all.”

Now, what is the difference between the two? How does one determine whether a law is just or unjust? A just law is a man made code that squares with the moral law or the law of God. An unjust law is a code that is out of harmony with the moral law. To put it in the terms of St. Thomas Aquinas: An unjust law is a human law that is not rooted in eternal law and natural law.

~ Martin Luther King, Jr,
Letter from a Birmingham Jail

Is homosexuality rooted in natural law? or eternal law?
The answer to both, is no.
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August 29, 2013 1:08pm
dime

Kings kids are conservatives i think!? im usre the daughter is a fox news contributor
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August 29, 2013 1:13pm
laworder

F E Smith, you would be welcome to join the panel discussion if you are down that way and have the time

What Psychle are getting at is not about punishment of the mentally ill, but the ability of the rest of us to be able to manage the risk that a small proportion of them pose, hence the discussion about proven but insane etc etc. Personally I would not want to see mentally ill people in prisons (and there are already too many of them in there) but in proper humane care institutions set up for that purpose

Regards
Peter Jenkins
http://www.sst.org.nz
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August 29, 2013 1:14pm
Ryan Sproull

Is homosexuality rooted in natural law? or eternal law?
The answer to both, is no.

In your opinion.

Just because someone agrees with that there is some kind of immutable moral code in the world, doesn’t mean they agree with you on what it is.
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August 29, 2013 1:14pm
Fletch

ERICE, SICILY – It’s official. The scare is over. The World Federation of Scientists, at its annual seminars on planetary emergencies, has been advised by its own climate monitoring panel that global warming is no longer a planetary emergency.

Both Judge Grasso and the President of the Federation, Professor Antonino Zichichi, said that care should be taken to examine carefully the basis for concern about CO2 emissions as well as the relevance and cost-effectiveness of proposed mitigation measures.

President Klaus had said: “Current as well as realistically foreseeable global warming, and especially Man’s contribution to it, is not a planetary emergency which should bother us. … My reading both of the available data and of conflicting scientific arguments and theories allows me to argue that it is not global warming caused by human activity that is threatening us.”

This year Dr. Christopher Essex, Professor of Applied Mathematics at the University of Western Ontario and chairman of the Federation’s permanent monitoring panel on climate, gave the Federation’s closing plenary session his panel’s confirmation that “Climate change in itself is not a planetary emergency.”

Professor Essex pointed out that history had shown illegitimate political movements inventing false emergencies to bypass democratic constraints on their quest for absolute power.

The Earth’s climate, he said, is a dynamic and continually-changing system. “Human societies have lived and thriven under every conceivable climate, and modern technology makes adaptation to changing weather conditions entirely routine.”

The increasing fraction of CO2 in the air could be expected to result in some warming, but it had been accepted that “the benefits of food production and the relief of starvation overwhelm concerns about the potential climate changes induced by land-surface modification.” He said the panel thought it essential to ask whether similar reasoning applied to global fossil-energy production.

On behalf of the climate monitoring panel, Professor Essex also spoke up for scientists who have been bullied, threatened or even dismissed for having dared to question the Party Line on climate. He said: “Our greatest concern at present is that the intellectual climate for scientific investigation of these matters has become so hostile and politicized that the necessary research and debate cannot freely take place.

“Political constraints take the form of declaring the underlying science to be settled when it clearly is not; defunding or denigrating research that is perceived to threaten the case for renewable energy; or the use of odious pejoratives like “denialist” to describe dissent from officially-sanctioned views on climate science.”

Professors Bob Carter and Murry Salby, who had questioned the severity of Man’s influence on the climate, were both ejected by their universities this year.

MORE
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August 29, 2013 1:15pm
cha

She must be thoroughly pissed off that George’s dad couldn’t fix it for her.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/court-hearing-scheduled-in-shellie-zimmerman-perjury-case/-/1637132/21680138/-/n5h3ct/-/index.html
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August 29, 2013 1:15pm
Griff

The first page of http://www.cap.govt.nz/ is Very Welcoming in its prominence of the os the English language as spoken by kiwis.

Use maori language in official documents
Having an overriding maori ~~mis~~translation inserted into such legal documents is not a good idea as the history of te tity has shown.

http://www.ourconstitution.org.nz/article/513/Acknowledgingahealthyconversation.html

Acknowledging a healthy conversation
20 August 2013

The Constitutional Advisory Panel thanks all of those who took part in the Constitution Conversation over the past six months.

The topics for consideration included whether or not Aotearoa New Zealand should have a constitution written down in a single document, the role of the Treaty of Waitangi and the Bill of Rights Act in our constitution, Māori representation in local and national government, and a range of electoral matters.

I like the reference to DPF’s other electoral matters…….

It is also obvious were this maorifaction farce is heading.
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August 29, 2013 1:29pm
Ryan Sproull

The World Federation of Scientists

The what?
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August 29, 2013 1:29pm
F E Smith

F E Smith, you would be welcome to join the panel discussion if you are down that way and have the time

Thank you, but no. I want nothing to do with the SST.
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August 29, 2013 1:33pm
Ross12

This is what you call absolute confidence !!!!

http://www.sportsbet.com.au/blog/home/sportsbet-pays-out-early-on-coalition-to-win-2013-election?CarouselSB1
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August 29, 2013 2:17pm
David Garrett

FES: That’s a surprisingly ignorant reaction from a man who says some very sensible stuff here…SST is merely ORGANIZING the discussion on “Proven but insane” and related topics…it is a genuine attempt to take heed of the widest possible range of views….The panel is intended to be as balanced as possible- sadly leading lights in the mental health field have already declined to take part…no doubt some of them will be the first to criticise the campaign for change as it takes hold … and it will.

Re your black letter law semantics: a number of American jurisdictions have “guilty but insane” which no doubt would offend you even more…but then of course nothing American is good, other than the dreadful noise my daughter listens to, hollywood movies, wearing baseball caps on backwards; pretending to be “ganstas”….

Perhaps you would be surprised to know that a number of prominent defence lawyers have said – off the record it’s true – that they would have no problem with “proven but insane” rather than the current NGBROI…
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August 29, 2013 2:19pm
F E Smith

DG,

Thank you for your kind words regarding my usual comments! With regards the SST, I was initially ok with the idea of them contributing to the debate, but the more I read of what they proposed the less I liked of them, and then they began to comment on decisions about which they knew nothing and that was where any support I might have given them ended. Nothing that they have done in the last few years has convinced me they are anything but a knee-jerk organisation that has little of value to add to the debate. I am aware of what people say about McVicar’s supporting victims of crime, but to my mind that does not change the fact that most of the proposals made by the SST are pretty much appalling displays of ignorance.

The exception has been Three Strikes, but I always viewed that as being a David Garrett/ACT Party policy rather than an SST one.

I think that there is a lot of work needed with regards the place of the mentally ill within the NZ justice system, but I will not give my support to something connected to the SST. If someone else was to do so then I would have no issue with it.

I like the idea of the public being involved in debating ins and outs of the criminal justice system. I think that NZ secondary schools should have a compulsory civics class as a part of the education of NZ school pupils. I think that the media does the public a disservice in the way they report crime in NZ. I would welcome a well-researched and balanced approach to debating criminal justice reform. I do not consider that the SST has such an approach.

I have no issue with other defence lawyers being content with the a verdict of ‘proved but insane’. I simply don’t see that such a verdict would serve any useful purpose, but that is just my view. If you wish to talk about the too high a number of mentally ill that are in prison or are merely punished for their offending rather than actually provided with the services they need to treat them, then you will have no argument from me. Change for change’s sake, however, is pointless.

And I have quite a few issues with how many US jurisdictions do things. They have some good ideas, and many appalling ones.
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August 29, 2013 2:36pm
Fletch

Kickstarter coming to Australia and New Zealand soon –

Continuing their expansion across the globe, Kickstarter announced yesterday on Twitter that campaigns will soon be open to Australia and New Zealand -based projects. When will Australians and New Zealanders be able to get their Kickstarter campaigns underway? They haven’t specified an exact date, opting for a more vague, but exciting, “in the very near future.”

http://nofilmschool.com/2013/08/kickstarter-is-coming-to-australia-and-new-zealand/
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August 29, 2013 3:48pm
cha

Chief Kessler probably won’t be returning to law enforcement.

http://youtu.be/EZ6DLCGHo2I
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August 29, 2013 3:55pm
Longknives

“Maori woman randomly walks up and punches and threatens to cut the throat of a 7-year-old boy out walking with his family.
Because she “hates white children”

If you think this kind of thing is bad now just wait until the Constitution changes. Any ‘Non-Maori’ unfortunate enough to live in this God-Forsaken country are in for a rather unpleasant shock….
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August 29, 2013 4:56pm
cha

To demonstrate my new commitment to wingnuttery – a real life black helicopter story.
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August 29, 2013 5:13pm
Redbaiter

“To demonstrate my new commitment to wingnuttery”

Its not new.
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August 29, 2013 5:46pm
Viking2

Redbaiter (4,360) Says:
August 29th, 2013 at 12:56 pm

Deborah Coddington and Muriel Newman were both members of ACT.

Coddington just tweeted-

“Just had to look up something on Muriel Newman’s NZCPR site. Badly need to shower now.”

Bitchy comment. Muriel Newman is a brave person who has the gumption to resist the institutionalised racial fraud Coddington is part of.
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Reddy, Codd face was one of a group of distinguised people called a JOURNALIST.
That should tell all that you need to know. No loyalty and ran round Parliament grounds chased by Roger Kerr.
Just another scum and totally incapable of proper research or original thought..
Muriel on the other hand should have been ACT Deputy. Extremely well researched , really nice person. Too nice to be a politician.
Runs the best political information site in NZ.
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August 29, 2013 5:48pm
Viking2

Why Rudd won’t win.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/clive-palmer-blames-kevin-rudd-for-melbourne-airport-fuel-delay/story-fn9qr68y-1226706698142

One wonders if he spawned Trev or Trev spawned Rudd. Shesh
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August 29, 2013 5:56pm
nasska

Politics….the way it should work. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8y7k3k7ci7l5yqu/Politics.jpg
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August 29, 2013 7:49pm
nasska

An elderly couple had just learned how to send text messages on their cell phones.

The wife was a romantic type and the husband was more of a no-nonsense guy.
One afternoon the wife went out to meet a friend for coffee.

She decided to send her husband a romantic text message and she wrote:

“If you are sleeping, send me your dreams.
If you are laughing, send me your smile.
If you are eating, send me a bite.
If you are drinking, send me a sip.
If you are crying, send me your tears.
I love you.”

The husband texted back to her: “I’m on the toilet.
Please advise.”
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August 29, 2013 8:02pm
Concerned

Is anybody watching channel 3?

It’s a shocker of unprecidented proportions.

“Inside New Zealand”

Never such a bizarre slanted tirade in our time…
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August 29, 2013 8:12pm
Griff

You still watch tv?
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August 29, 2013 8:22pm
cha

Plane porn – 19 foot model B-17 Flying Fortress

http://youtu.be/9owlwlxJxPw
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August 29, 2013 8:29pm
kowtow

concerned

The guy doing that show on inequality has done a great con job.

He’s travelled around the world making a show on how much more money should be extracted from wealth creators at the expense of those very people(NZon Air) Good work if you can get it.
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August 29, 2013 8:35pm
Concerned

Believe me…you don’t want to miss this one…
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August 29, 2013 8:37pm
UglyTruth

To demonstrate my new commitment to wingnuttery – a real life black helicopter story.

“They can take my blood, they can take my life, but they will never take the rights that God granted me. Those are God-given, and there’s not a man walking on this Earth that can come up against God and win.”

Just because you’ve been given something doesn’t mean that you still have it.

Inalienable: Not subject to alienation; the characteristic of those things which cannot be bought or sold or transferred from one person to another, such as rivers and public highways, and certain personal rights; e.g., liberty. (Blacks 5th)

Inalienable rights: Rights which are not capable of being surrendered or transferred without the consent of the one possessing such rights. (Blacks 5th)

Consent can be implied.
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August 29, 2013 9:30pm
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Re: Bryan Bruce: Inequality, Mind The Gap documentary.

One or two things in there…. does Bryan actually know anything?

He starts talking to Rebecca in a supermarket. She’s obese… really really fat… brown of course… five children. Five. That’s a lot of kids. Her man works for minimum wage. So it makes sense ot have five kids when you’re paid minimum wage of course. But that’s ok, because they receive $350 a week working for families tax credits. So… where’s the problem… where’s the inequality?

And in his summation this was too funny… ‘let’s solve inequality so that families don’t have to buy tinned meat’.

If this fella doesn’t realise that brown people love tinned corned beef…. he must be completely out of touch with NZ society. It couldn’t have been a more stereotypical pruchase for a brown person. Fucking corned beef. Firstly he doesn’t understand that brown folks love the stuff… and secondly…. he’s wrong. It’s not cheaper than fresh meat. It’s about $12-18/ kilo. In one of NZ’s poorest areas I saw Mad Butcher mince $5/ kilo. And it ranges $8-13 normally. So there you go. Chardonnay socialist 100% wrong observation.

They would buy tinned corn beef regardless of income. They love it.

And from the size of the woman… changing her diet would hlep her lose weight and save money. I’d love to see what that family eats. Most likely a lot of shit that no-one needs to put in their mouths… junk food and nasty processed refined chemically enhanced shite.

There’s increasing inequality in NZ… sure… and one cause of it is the poor and uneducated, particularly brown-skinned, having more than their fair share of children. The dumbing of society. The smarter taxpayers are in fact funding the poor to create the ‘poor times three’ for the next generation of taxpayers to deal with.
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