About
Contact
Advertise

Facebook
Twitter

August 20, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 20 August 2013

Email
Facebook
Twitter
Comment214

Uncategorized
General Debate

Comments (214)

Login to comment or vote

Harriet

Current western leaders should be put against a wall and fucken shot! [figuretively speaking – I dont want demerits]

And I don’t say that lightly.

Obama has caused more fucken trouble than Johnson and Nixon EVER did – and what has the NZ MSM said about it – fuck all.

And what has Key, Rudd, Cameron and Hollande said about it – fuck all.

Here – read this:

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2013/08/19/on-the-situation-in-egypt/

Then this:

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2013/08/17/god-democracy-and-human-rights/

“………….“Ah, the jacarandas are in bloom. We shall soon be sending for the gunboats.” – Lord Lloyd, British High Commissioner to the old Kingdom of Egypt in the Twenties.
There’s more wisdom about Arab springs in that line, than in all the blather of Obama, Clinton, Kerry and Anne Patterson combined…………..” – Mark Steyn.

You God haters may not like Christianity, but you may well now agree that when we have such unintelligent cowards as leaders, as we now do, then we are much better off with Christianity – than without it! 😎
11 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:01am
martinh

Rachel Smalley is as bad an interviewer as Campbell, at least Campbell doesnt sit there when shown up and try to look pretty
18 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:03am
nasska

And how did the first day of compulsory sodomy & gay marriage turn out for everyone? 🙂
10 6
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:04am
peterwn

See:
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/269331/200k-sought-liquidator and:
http://tinyurl.com/lqpg7va (Second Liquidator’s Report – on Incorporated Societies Registrar’s web site)

A warning to all those who think they can play fast and loose with assets of a defunct club, etc.
While a club exists, it cannot return profits etc to members (except reasonable payments for service). On winding up, assets must be disposed in accordance with Club rules (which have to be approved by the Incorporated Socities Registrar if registered) and the rules must be acceptable to IRD. Briefly the rules must state that assets on winding up must be disposed of to other non-profit organisations and charities.

In this case someone complained about the winding up and disposal of assets of the bowling club and the Registrar appointed a liquidator to claw back the assets so they can be disposed of lawfully. It might be that IRD could put the boot in as well.

A former club member now wished that the club had changed its rules to allow the ‘distribution’ of members. That is totally naive thinking and the Otago Daily Times should have checked this with a lawyer or the Registrar and indicated its un-lawfulness in the article.

One former member allegedly cannot pay back. He probably faces bankrupcy, and the ‘ringleaders’ of the scheme could well be forced to pay back amounts that are otherwise unrecoverable. The third liquidator’s report in 6 months time may also make interesting reading.
6 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:05am
kowtow

Multiculturalism,code word for destroying the host……

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4412398,00.html
7 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:07am
Pete George

David Shearer is effectively abdicating responsibility for the security of the country. He has confirmed Labour totally oppose the GCSB bill – and they will leave it up to an inquiry to determine how the country’s security should be run – or if we should have security at all.

He appears to want some of the most important decisions ton be made by unelected appointees. Rodney Harrison and Dame Anne Salmond to head the inquiry?

John key held Shearer to account on Firstline this morning. About time. The media should be asking Shearer some important questions.

I guess Shearer is used to leading by instruction from others.

Shearer abdicating GCSB responsibility
12 7
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:08am
Manolo

The bumbling fool Biden fancies his chances:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323423804579020781151204004.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
5 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:10am
martinh

Pete
Key said Shearer didnt want to discuss the bill.
Its my understanding labour and NZ first did do that
1 8
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:10am
Judith

nasska (7,253) Says:
August 20th, 2013 at 8:04 am
And how did the first day of compulsory sodomy & gay marriage turn out for everyone? 🙂

Well, it turned out to be a gigantic mess. My best friend and I were happy to move in together and get married when our divorces came through, however our ol’ boys who seemed perfectly happy with the arrangement until they realised that they would have to forfeit half of their assets, which would require one of them losing their car and their golf cart.

A massive argument prevailed over who had the best car, and whose golf cart was easier to maintain, and now it appears they will not only not marry, but Saturday’s golf date is off too. Oh yes, and Holdens are much better than fords – apparently.
2 8
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:18am
Pete George

If Shearer wanted to show leadership he would have made sure he worked with Key on the bill. He (or his minders) chose to play politics instead.

Peters always plays politics. He talked about Groupspeak last night – funny coming from the leader of a party that allows such diverse expression of views by it’s members. /sarc
11 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:20am
nasska

There was always a possibility of a few hiccups Judith. 🙂
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:20am
flipper

I’m bored with the GCSB debate, so let’s look at the media and charter schools.

This morning Stuff tries to rubbish charter schools by setting Parata against the assessment committee with a typical media beat up, NON STORY :

*** Stuff says
… ” In June, Parliament passed legislation allowing charter schools to open as early as February next year and, at the time, Ms Parata told The Dominion Post, “the range of applications we have received is impressive”.

She said she welcomed their arrival, which would enable private businesses and charities to run schools outside the state and private system.

Yesterday Ms Parata defended her comments, saying they were related to the “broad range of applicants, not their calibre”.

“The outcome of the assessment done by the authorisation board, as expected, reduced to a small number those applicants negotiating with the Ministry of Education.”

Time is now ticking for contracts to be signed with the lucky few chosen from the 35 applicants…..”

Now tell me, where is the conflict in Parata’s statements?
4 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:22am
martinh

Pete, im quite sure they did ask for a group project on it.
Will see what dingbat shearer says about that tomorrow morning
2 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:25am
Judith

@ Nasska

I’m sure they will sort it out, we girls are really happy with the new compulsory requirements, although to be honest the kids aren’t. Dad was always easier to get money out of than Mum, but it was Mum that always knew where his wallet was. They’re tending to agree with the argument that children could be adversely affected.
2 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:25am
Harriet

A Liberal teacher on child rape:

In her letter to the judge on her husband Neal’s behalf, Mrs. Erickson said this:

“As for punishment, because I know that is something the community expects, hasn’t Neal been punished enough?
He is losing a job he has held for 17 years [during three of which he was raping a child] and losing all future career potential as a teacher.”

It’s clear that Toni seems more upset about the damage to her husband’s future than the physical and psychological damage he imposed on a child. Mrs. Erickson also blames the community for demanding what she apparently feels is a disproportionate level of punishment, and deems herself qualified to determine how much penance for a child rapist is penance enough.

Toni’s moral position that statutory rape is not harmful to children was further exposed when she said:

“I have seen many delightful students who have been damaged by horrible events in their lives. While I acknowledge that Neal’s conduct with [a victim he found ‘delightful’] was wrong, I do not believe [the 14-year-old] was damaged by Neal’s action[s].”

Furthermore, she said:

“I base my opinion on my personal interaction with [the boy], both before and after Neal’s actions. However [my daughter] very likely could be [damaged]. Please don’t punish her by [her father’s] absence in her life.”

So according to a woman who has OVERSEEN a high school classroom for 15 years, jailing a dangerous predator is cruel, because when he’s not molesting boys, Neal is needed to father their daughter.

And it doesn’t stop there. Neal Erickson also has a registered teacher cheering section:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2013/08/child_rapists_and_other_well-meaning_liberals.html

Y’know something – the progs really are fucked in the head! 😎
10 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:31am
graham

nasska at 8:04 am:

And how did the first day of compulsory sodomy & gay marriage turn out for everyone? 🙂

Interesting you should say that … 🙂

I have just finished reading an article from London, about why the “gay geek” is becoming more sought after (apparently), and it touches on some interesting points. The article starts off by talking about the cliché of your average professional gay person; that they tend to be clever, probably not yet in a civil partnership and certainly not yet a parent. This means they can dedicate more of their time to their career and ultimately to the company’s bottom line.

There’s also a very prevalent opinion (all the “man-ban” crowd will love this one!) that a company has to be diverse, has to represent all it’s customers, and that means hiring gay people. One quote from the article: “Having a completely straight, male, management team doesn’t exactly reek of diversity and it is diversity in the workplace that we’re absolutely determined to achieve.”

Nope, I’m not claiming that is the “slippery slope” to compulsory sodomy. I do find it interesting to consider (a) whether gay marriage will affect that cliché of the average professional gay person who can spend more time at work because they’re not in a civil union or married; and (b) are there people with vested interests who are going the same way that the Labour Party thought would be a fantastic idea and actively promoting (forcing?) diversity – whether we want it or not.

On this second point – the article mentions the corporate commitment of both Google and Microsoft to gay rights. They have teamed up with other rivals including Amazon and Nokia to launch London-based InterTech, a cross-industry social and professional group they market to “gay geeks”. This isn’t a unique event, either – there are similar inter-company gay groups for those working in the banking, insurance, legal, media and property sectors. Lloyds Banking Insurance funds the insurance industry’s LGBT group, LINK, because they feel it makes good business sense. There’s even a group, ParliOut, for the gay employees of all of the political parties (just waiting for DPF to suggest this for Wellington).

So there’s some very active “positive discrimination” going on, according to this article. Now I personally couldn’t care less. It honestly doesn’t worry me. But I wonder how long it will be before we see some straight person laying a complaint of reverse discrimination when they don’t get a job, and they feel that it’s because the company wanted to hire a gay person to look good.

Compulsory sodomy and gay marriage? I don’t expect to see it in my lifetime. 🙂 But reverse discrimination, “man-bans” – will the glass ceiling for women be replaced by the “straight-gate” for non-gay people?

http://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/why-the-gay-geek-is-the-most-soughtafter-worker-in-london-8773838.html
6 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:36am
noskire

What the heck was that guy in the UK thinking when he shoved a fork up his codger?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/oddstuff/9060315/10cm-fork-removed-from-mans-penis
6 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:42am
Dirty Rat

If Dime emails me another picture of his knob…I’m gonna be slightly even more angry
7 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:49am
Griff

The attitude’s displayed by harry it is very similar to this guy
http://www.safe-nz.org.nz/sxdb/capillgraham.htm

“The association of the innocence of an infant with the filthy lifestyle of homosexuals is offensive in the extreme.” Protesting pro-homosexual billboards promoting the Hero Parade – 1998.

“A sad reflection on the warped moral values that children are now confronted with”. Criticises award-winning book Dare, Truth Or Promise, by Dunedin writer Paula Boock, which explored lesbian love. – 1998.

“We live in a society that has become more and more violent, a society where rape and abuse of women is all too common.” Renews his attacks on the Tokoroa statue. – 1998.

“The perversity of their own lifestyles is unlikely to be restricted to the couples concerned and puts the children at increased risk of abuse.” Rails against same-sex couples. – 2000.

“It is inexcusable to screen paedophilic homosexual acts on national free-to-air television. Depictions of such illegal acts may well result in greater child and young person abuse.” Condemns as immoral British soap opera Queer As Folk. – 2000.

Email to supporters
Dear Friends

I have decided to plead guilty tomorrow morning. The law as it has been explained to me seems so different to what the Biblical law and indeed common perceptions are of rape. The fact that [name deleted] consented is irrelevant.

It is enough that we touched each others private parts – rape is then deemed to take place. Ignorance of the law or the effect of what I was doing to the girls is no excuse and so I must take full responsibility.

There are many aspects of the summary of facts that will be printed in the papers or on TV I disagree with. Some will be pointed out at sentencing.

For example, I believe the girls were a lot older than the age alleged but I have no way to prove it.

Filthy christian kiddy fucker.
2 9
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:56am
liarbors a joke

take ya beating like a man ya thieving girly boy…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/9060129/Burglars-beating-tale-rubbished
8 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:59am
flipper

It would be nice to think that a day could pass without KB’ers being lectured on:

*** the merits or otherwise of homosexuality;
*** on the accepted definition of marriage and “marriage”;
*** on the causes of human depravity;
*** on the history of paedophilia (yes it is enshrined in history for at least 3000 years);
*** non religion in all its forms;
*** on the “lies” told, and being told, by J Key,
*** and of the crap shat by the deluded left wing, nutter and slob-mob (and their media fellow travellers) gathered last night in the old Auckland Town Hall, to invent yet more “dangers” in the GCSB Bill, and on, and on, and on.

Give it a rest
7 7
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 8:59am
jaba

I watched about 5 min of the farce at the Town Hall on telly last night .. the 1st guy was so boring even Dorcrim and Bradbury were on their mobiles .. then I saw who was to come and that was it
10 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:01am
kowtow

graham

I don’t know how governments are able to cope ,there are so many identifiable victim groups out there whose civil and human rights have to be protected.

Truly mind boggling.

and don’t worry about the Labour Party promoting “diversity,” with a progressive like that twit Cameron in charge of the Conservatives the left have won the struggle.

Camerons’ legacy will be the destruction of the Conservative Party at its grass roots.
7 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:05am
Manolo

It would be nice to think that a day could pass without KB’ers being lectured on:
*** the merits and greatness of Peter Dunne.
18 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:09am
kowtow

Flipper

Let’s do sports then. Jesse Ryder in the headlines…….. again.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:10am
liarbors a joke

tsk tsk..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/cricket/9062721/Ryder-tested-positive-for-stimulant

“At the hearing, his handlers were putting the problem down to a poorly labelled weight-loss supplement.”

LOL !!
3 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:15am
Andrei

Flipper, you don’t have to come here if you don’t like the conversation.

But just to humour you how about we talk about my toenail clippings? Would that meet your approval
5 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:17am
Pete George

You’re weird Manolo, complaining about what you’re doing yourself.
2 9
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:24am
flipper

manolo … YEP, ” ’nuff is enough”

Kowtow …. Mmmmnn, weight loss is performance enhancing? David Howman, nice Wellingtonian that he once was, lost the plot on that one.

Andrei …. Go away, and tune youir brain.
1 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:25am
Kea

*** non religion in all its forms;

flipper, Non belief is the default position we are born with. People are taught to pretend they believe in mythical beings.
3 11
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:26am
Lucia Maria

I’m waiting for the dishwasher fixit man to turn up and fix the on/off switch on my dishwasher so that I don’t have to wreck my hands washing the dishes in the sink. Appliances that break in the stupidist of places, a 2.5 year old dishwasher and the power switch is munted.
4 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:28am
flipper

Kea…

For the first time ever, you got me !

It should have read “on” NOT “non. 🙂
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:30am
Scott Chris

What the heck was that guy in the UK thinking when he shoved a fork up his codger?

Perhaps someone told him to go fork himself…
4 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:30am
Kea

Lucy, I could have come around and turned you on ! 🙂
3 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:36am
Harriet

Here’s the short version.

The gay lobby is a totalitarian lobby – you do things their way or they will ruin you.

They’re not deadly like Stalin – but they share the same ideology.

Putin knows commies when he sees them – and that’s why he’s come down so harshly on gays. 😎
8 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:37am
kowtow

At least one religion teaches hatred as it’s default position.But hey, let’s not discuss that. Too uncomfortable and against the current fashion of multiculturalism and destruction of western tradition and civilisation.

Pity the Pope in Rome doesn’t speak up more forcefully for his fellow Catholics,but then he also thinks Europe should be flooded with the types that would burn down churches there,when they feel strong enough to.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/08/pope-tawadros-blasts-us-eu-as-muslim-brotherhood-converts-three-churches-into-mosques.html
5 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:39am
UglyTruth

People are taught to pretend they believe in mythical beings.

It’s pretty obvious that you don’t have a real argument when you’ve got to lie to try and make a point, Kea.
No wonder that you are such a fanboy for NZ’s corrupt political system.
6 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:40am
Lucia Maria

Kea,

DISH – wash – er. A vital piece of equipment is not working. I’m not broken.

The man is here now. He’s had to take the entire front panel off and then unscrew all the electrical stuff in the way. I hope all the other functions work when he’s finished.
3 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:40am
Scott Chris

I’m waiting for the dishwasher fixit man to turn up and fix the on/off switch on my dishwasher so that I don’t have to wreck my hands washing the dishes in the sink. Appliances that break in the stupidist of places, a 2.5 year old dishwasher and the power switch is munted.

It’s God’s will Lucia. He wants you to wear rubber gloves. Y’know, for protection. 😉
5 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:43am
Lucia Maria

Kowtow,

Popes are always very careful with what they say (though this one is a bit fast and loose) because when they speak up, the reaction can be not what one would expect. Think Benedict and the Regensburg Address and the Muslim reaction to that (riots, Catholics and Christians murdered), and further back, Pius XII during WWII when he spoke up the Nazis rounded up a whole lot of Catholics in Holland, including Edith Stein.
3 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:44am
Don the Kiwi

Kea fantasising about Lucia again. 🙂

The America’s Cup is a bloody farce. Sure, the catamarans are amazing and fast – but they’re so high tech and fragile they keep breaking down.

I’m a yachting purist. Give me back the monohulls with the tacking duels, the “on the edge” shy spinacker runs and some real seamanship.
12 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:45am
Judith

Looks like our new rascal prince George may be a ‘ginga’ – going from his latest photo, which I think is really cool, considering what many famous ‘gingas’ have achieved.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9062522/Happy-roayl-family-photo-with-rascal-George
1 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:46am
Lucia Maria

Scott, gloves just don’t work for me!
2 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:46am
Fletch

So there is a story in the NZ Herald today about the 1000 gay couples who will likely come to NZ from Australia to get married. I have to ask: why? Especially when their marriages won’t be recognized when they return home. They may as well have a “marriage” ceremony over there.

One point the article does make that is interesting, is how many gay couples there are in NZ and Australia. Turns out it is less than 1%. The main stats from the end of the article –

Same-sex couples

Australia

* 1996 0.3 per cent
* 2001 0.5 per cent
* 2006 0.6 per cent
* 2011 0.7 per cent

New Zealand

* 2006 0.7 per cent.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11111127

So we overturned a societal institution for 0.7% ?
We destroyed and redefined marriage for that? Why? I am sure there are more people who write “Jedi” as a religion on their census forms than there are gay couples in NZ.

It just goes to show what activists from minority groups manage to do when they get members in parliament.

In The Ethics Aristotle wrote, “men start revolutionary changes for reasons connected with their private lives.”
15 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:47am
Kea

Lucy, why do you need a dishwasher, is that not your job ?

Do you know what a wife is Lucy ?… It is an attachement you screw on the bed to do the house work 🙂
3 6
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:51am
gravedodger

@ Lucia Maria, you poor wee lamb, dont you keep a pair of gloves for when you have to do unmentionable things.

Even if your mum had or at least knew what the box under your bench was I wonder if your granny discovered how to replace the fallen girl who did her scullery maid duties, with a machine.

Then again you could just eat out or visit next door.
2 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:52am
lilman

Judith when did you go over to the dark side?
3 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:53am
Chuck Bird

Sociopaths

Leighton Smith is discussing sociopaths after reading a book review of this lawyer. It is logical considering how cunning sociopaths I am sure a few become judges.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/confessions-of-a-sociopath-2013-5
0 8
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 9:54am
Redbaiter

Flipper finds it hard to talk about anything because his mouth is so often fixed to John Key’s knob.
6 9
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:01am
dime

Dirty Rat – isnt it a fuckin beauty 😀

Im sending another one through. Ive been playing with some cool filters. this one looks like a sketch!
3 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:02am
Chuck Bird

I wonder which sociopathic lawyer gave me the thumps down?
0 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:06am
Lucia Maria

Kea, is that why your wife left you? With an attitude like that, most women would.
10 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:07am
kowtow

Lucia M

He went to Lampedusa ,a very clear signal to the migrant hordes (very few who are Christian)and the EU elitocracy that he thinks Europe should take more.

Europe will be destroyed by Muslim immigration assisted by treacherous policy makers.

http://www.dw.de/pope-francis-visits-lampedusa-to-remember-migrants-lost-at-sea/a-16935292
3 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:12am
Redbaiter

Lucia- his wife probably left him because she couldn’t stand one more day of listening to him talking about himself.
7 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:12am
flipper

Redbaiter says….

***Redbaiter (4,196) Says:

August 20th, 2013 at 10:01 am
Flipper finds it hard to talk about anything because his mouth is so often fixed to John Key’s knob. ***
…..
Well, Red1080bait, since you are obvious attuned to sexual matters this morning, I suspect it would taste better than the rubbish coming from your arse – both of which I would find abhorrent

RedB, dear fool, you are at times entertaining, correct even.
But more often, you are just like the tired old Wisconsin (Point of Order, Point of Order), red baiting Senator McCarthy, who was so unbalanced that he eventually fell off the world. Take care now 🙂
5 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:12am
Harriet

“….Looks like our new rascal prince George may be a ‘ginga’….”

There are very very very very very very good odds that he has been born ginga – than gay! 😎
2 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:14am
Manolo

This soap opera rolls on: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2013/08/19/white-house-had-advance-notice-on-heathrow-detention/?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTTopStories
2 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:15am
Kea

Kea, is that why your wife left you? With an attitude like that, most women would.

Lucy, sorry, but no that was not the reason. My view was the total opposite of that. She was a busy career woman who was given total freedom and was hardly every at home. I wanted a wife not a prisoner.

But I learnt from my mistakes 🙂
1 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:19am
wikiriwhis business

This is where the GCSB is taking us

Looking back 25 years to 1988

George Bush Sr. – son of a banker to the Nazis, grandson of an arms dealer, member of Skull and Bones, former head of the CIA, director of Iran-Contra – became president of the US in 1988.

When you present his resume accurately, as I just did, the problem’s pretty obvious.

Fast forward to the present:

Travelers – even pedestrians in NYC – are subject to full body searches, the NSA records and stores every e-mail and phone call, banks and other corporations have been given a blank check to rip off citizens without mercy.

So what kind of a country is the US?

This quote might shed some light on the situation.

“Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power.” – Benito Mussolini.

What does all this matter to people who are making financial decisions?

Well, for starters, it helps to know the nature of the country you’re investing in.

Also, crime – including well organized government crime – is an industry and just like any other industry it impacts the economy as a whole.

These 53 minutes – recorded in 1988 – long before the current pattern was apparent to the average person, do more to paint an accurate picture of how the US is actually governed than anything else I’ve seen.
– See more at: http://www.realecontv.com/videos/government-corruption/the-triumph-of-the-security-state-.html#sthash.0QTcx7Jo.dpuf
1 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:20am
Redbaiter

” red baiting Senator McCarthy, who was so unbalanced that he eventually fell off the world.”

How typical- the National party, so uninformed and blinkered in their political perspectives, and so ready to buy into left wing history re-writes, they can’t wait to do the left’s propaganda for them.

Haven’t you losers got any fight in you at all?

Try educating yourself and expanding your political horizons with some right wing literature for a change.
5 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:25am
Kea

Lucia- his wife probably left him because she couldn’t stand one more day of listening to him talking about himself.

Maybe she would have stuck around if I spent all day ranting about the coming “war” against the progs and homos !

Or maybe she would have approached the community mental health team for assistance 🙂
4 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:28am
Griff

Haven’t you losers got any fight in you at all?

😆
Gummed to death by the conservonutters in reddys attack of the zimmer frames.
4 7
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:29am
Redbaiter

Whatever, I’d wager it is more bearable than listening to Kea talking endlessly about Kea all day every day. As you do on here. Narcissistic bore.
8 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:31am
Lucia Maria

Kowtow,

In that news item the Pope says:

“We pray for a heart which will embrace immigrants,” he said via his Twitter account following the Mass. “God will judge us upon how we have treated the most needy.”

Islam is not destroying the West – the West is. A strong West that rediscovers her faith in Christ will be indestructible. A West without Christ is not worth saving and is becoming in effect, a dead man walking. Muslims coming to the West should be being converted, as it should be the best place to convert. That is it not converting them is the real problem, not the fact that they are coming.

A West with a heart that embraces immigrants is a West with a heart that has rediscovered Christ.

I put a quote on my blog the other day which is very relevant to all this: On Western Civilisation, what really matters.

Christianity was founded by people who could not have cared less about “Christian civilization.” What interested them was Christ, and the reverberations of his coming on the whole of human existence. Christians believed in Christ, not in Christianity itself; they were Christians, not “Christianists.”

The Pope is not a Christianist, he is a Christian, he believes in Christ and he is calling on all of us to do the same.
5 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:33am
Fletch

red baiting Senator McCarthy, who was so unbalanced that he eventually fell off the world.

Turns out he was more right than wrong.

WASHINGTON — Although Joseph McCarthy was one of the most demonized
American politicians of the last century, new information — including
half-century-old FBI recordings of Soviet embassy conversations — are
showing that McCarthy was right in nearly all his accusations.

“With Joe McCarthy it was the losers who’ve written the history which
condemns him,” said Dan Flynn, director of
Accuracy in Academia’s recent national conference on McCarthy,
broadcast by C-SPAN.

Using new information obtained from studies of old Soviet files in
Moscow and now the famous Venona Intercepts — FBI recordings of Soviet
embassy communications between 1944-48 — the record is showing that
McCarthy was essentially right. He had many weaknesses, but almost every
case he charged has now been proven correct. Whether it was stealing
atomic secrets or influencing U.S. foreign policy, communist victories
in the 1940s were fed by an incredibly vast spy and influence network.

Check out the book Blacklisted by History: The Untold Story of Senator Joe McCarthy and His Fight Against America’s Enemies

Drawing on primary sources—including never-before-published government records and FBI files, as well as recent research gleaned from Soviet archives and intercepted transmissions between Moscow spymasters and their agents in the United States—Evans presents irrefutable evidence of a relentless Communist drive to penetrate our government, influence its policies, and steal its secrets. Most shocking of all, he shows that U.S. officials supposedly guarding against this danger not only let it happen but actively covered up the penetration. All of this was precisely as Joe McCarthy contended.

Blacklisted by History shows, for instance, that the FBI knew as early as 1942 that J. Robert Oppenheimer, the director of the atomic bomb project, had been identified by Communist leaders as a party member; that high-level U.S. officials were warned that Alger Hiss was a Soviet spy almost a decade before the Hiss case became a public scandal; that a cabal of White House, Justice Department, and State Department officials lied about and covered up the Amerasia spy case; and that the State Department had been heavily penetrated by Communists and Soviet agents before McCarthy came on the scene.

Evans also shows that practically everything we’ve been told about McCarthy is false, including conventional treatment of the famous 1950 speech at Wheeling, West Virginia, that launched the McCarthy era (“I have here in my hand . . .”), the Senate hearings that casually dismissed his charges, the matter of leading McCarthy suspect Owen Lattimore, the Annie Lee Moss case, the Army-McCarthy hearings, and much more.

http://www.amazon.com/Blacklisted-History-Senator-McCarthy-Americas/dp/1400081068/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1376951539&sr=1-2&keywords=blacklisted
5 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:34am
Kea

Red, it is actually you, and a few other God addled folk, who choose to talk about me rather than the issue. That is the problem when you have no substance to your ideology, you have to launch into personal attacks. But hay… all good fun 🙂
2 8
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:35am
Redbaiter

Get back under your rock Grief your tired old pot head hippy shit was done two decades ago.
6 8
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:35am
Redbaiter

“Turns out he was more right than wrong.”

Flipper wouldn’t know any of that Fletch, his Nat party controllers don’t approve of any information sources outside of their revered mainstream media.
8 7
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:39am
Griff

I dont listen to kea I scroll past kea Fletch flipper harry it and the penny tarnish.
Kea is mr narcissistic personality disorder.
Fletch posts outdated rubbish.
Flipper waffles uncontrollably diarrhea.
Harry it should come out and admit the gay feelings.
penny ——– nutter.
5 7
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:40am
dime

chuck – ive read quite a bit about sociopaths lately. they arent all completely nuts. they estimate 3% of the population could be sociopaths.. if you read about the different types and they traits youll probably realise you know one or two people who fit the bill.
4 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:46am
Kea

Griff, even allowing for your reading difficulties, discrediting your faith based arguments, and telling the truth, is not narcissistic. That is simply name calling and shows you are unable to engage the argument. I really wish you would stop self identifying as an atheist, while cluttering up KB with your Gaia fantasies.
1 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:46am
Kea

A strong West that rediscovers her faith in Christ will be indestructible. A West without Christ is not worth saving and is becoming in effect, a dead man walking. Muslims … blah blah blah

Lucy, It is the JEWS who do not believe in Christ. The Muslims accept Christ as a prophet. Are you really a Christian Lucy or are you just having us all on ? I mean that is pretty basic bible knowledge that Jews reject Christ.
4 9
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:49am
dime

“I really wish you would stop self identifying as an atheist, while cluttering up KB with your Gaia fantasies.”

true that
7 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:50am
Yvette

What the heck was that guy in the UK thinking when he shoved a fork up his codger?

Wasn’t listening properly when someone told him to Go and get “lost”
Easy mistake
1 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:52am
Judith

Goodness every one seems a little touchy this morning?

When did your mothers last de-worm you?
2 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 10:54am
Lucia Maria

Kea,

What’s with the Jew obsession you have? Of course I know the Jews reject Christ (except for the first Christians and the Apostles, most of whom were Jewish). How is that relevant to what I said?
5 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:01am
Jack5

Nasska posted at 8.04:

…And how did the first day of compulsory sodomy & gay marriage turn out for everyone?

You’re gloating, aren’t you Nasska? Still only about 50 per cent of the country supports gay marriage. By the smilie you seem to have enjoyed the first day, though.
7 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:13am
kowtow

kea lying again about Muslims and “Christ.”

That’s one of the usual lies that Islamic apologists and our MSM regularly push in their effort to make us believe Islam is not a threat.

Mohamed plagiarised the Old and New Testaments,he had very little original material.

They do accept Jesus as a Prophet ,but certainly not as Christ.

Jesus Christ is God Incarnate,any Muslim who “accepts” that would be considered a heretic and liable to punishment by death in countries such as Saudi Arabia.

Proof they are so accepting of Jesus the prophet that at the moment dozens of churches are being attacked and burned in Egypt.

Any informed person knows that ,or is kea just having us on?
10 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:13am
Kea

Lucy, it is entirelly relevant to what you said. You claimed that the West will be destroyed if we do not have faith in Christ and then when on to single out MUSLIMS who pray to the exact same God and accept Christ as a prophet. Not the Jews who reject Christ.

Once again you have shown how disingenuous you are by getting all touchy about the mere mention of Jews, while you, and others, rant hate at Muslims daily.

Four down ticks (and counting) for simply telling an accepted truth about the Jewish faith. It shows how much religion distorts reason. I think the time must come when we no longer tolerate religion in decent society.
1 6
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:17am
thedavincimode

At least one religion teaches hatred as it’s default position

But not yours kowtow, which begs the obvious question: why do you practice it?
5 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:23am
ciaron

The Muslims accept Christ as a prophet.

you’re not even aware of the implications of that string of words, are you?
6 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:24am
kowtow

Anyone else get the feeling kea doesn’t want to “tolerate” Jews or Christians in his version of “decent society”?
8 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:25am
Kea

ciaron, what are the “implications” of the Jews rejecting Christ as the son of God ?

Maybe that explains why Jews are at the forefront of liberalism and tolerance. Of all the abrahamic religions, they are the most sane and do not proselytize. Really the only problem has been when nationalists convinced arrogant foreign powers to give them some land.
1 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:30am
thedavincimode

kowtow

Are you really in a mood to lecture us on tolerance? Good heavens, before we know it you’ll be preaching love and compassion.
7 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:32am
Kea

Anyone else get the feeling ~~kea~~ kowtow doesn’t want to “tolerate” ~~Jews or Christians~~ Muslims in his version of “decent society”?

Funny thing is that kowtow has way more in common with intolerant Islamists than he does progressive Jews. But he is too ignorant to know that.
4 5
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:32am
thedavincimode

Kea

Going to have to pull you up on that claim about Jewish sanity. Down here they seem as nutty as their neighbours – your relatives 🙂
4 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:36am
kowtow

davinci

No lectures,just questions and facts.

Tolerance?Here’s some now.

Fuck off.
3 9
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:36am
Griff

I am bored so I will answer wingnut

Griff, even allowing for your reading difficulties,
Griff reads at 300-400 wpm . I have difficulty in writing and spelling not reading.

discrediting your faith based arguments,
Faith in sciences kea is not faith as you seek to define it.

and telling the truth, is not narcissistic. That is simply name calling and shows you are unable to engage the argument.
As reddy points out your posts are mostly about you. Narcissistic personality disorder fits you like a glove
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

I really wish you would stop self identifying as an atheist, while cluttering up KB with your Gaia fantasies.
Gaia theory and atheism are not mutually exclusive. Gaia theory is not a religion.

Agw is a scientific theory that has the support of ALL national and international scientific bodies. Your failure to acknowledge AGW is faith based.
1 11
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:36am
ciaron

ok Kea; as best you can, give me your definition of “Christ” and “prophet”

see if you can do it without google.
5 2
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:38am
thedavincimode

kowtow

Allow me to be dazzled by your sophisticated repartee and blatant hypocrisy. Maybe you should have an extra long chat with G** before beddy byes tonight. Share the love – that sort of thing.
8 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:39am
ciaron

Here’s a hint: you should have written: The Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet
4 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:40am
thedavincimode

ciaron

Sneaky 🙂

[edit: I thought that might be the answer but was scared stiff that kowtow might be mean and nasty to me 😆 ]
3 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:42am
Kea

“your relatives”

thedavincimode, You mean Jews, Christians and Muslims? You probably got confused and assumed Muslim. You may also want to consider that civilisation flourished there for centuries before those cults emerged and fucked it all up.

Griff, you really need to stop self medicating. I think your years of drug abuse have reached a tipping point. You have even started bonding with Red in your alternative universe !
2 8
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:44am
thedavincimode

Kea

Yes, I must concede that I did make that assumption and the point you make is something that seems to be completely ignored in the world at large and here on kiwibog in particular.
2 3
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:46am
dime

nickb – ive just started “The Wold of Wall Street”. What pieces of shit those guys are! Good read though
4 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:47am
Kea

Lucy, having announced that the only way to save Western society is through Jeeeeeeeeeeeesus, has gone all quiet when reminded that Jews consider Jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus was an ordinary Jewish guy. It makes her uncomfortable as she has basically said Jews undermine the salvation of Western society.

No wonder she is hiding after walking straight into that one !
1 6
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:51am
ciaron

…was an ordinary Jewish guy…

fail. Is there anything you know about Christ that was not gleaned from the likes of South Park?
2 1
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:56am
Kea

thedavincimode, don’t tell the resident Christianists, but Syria was the hub of Christianity through out most of its history. Especially do not tell them that the enlightment and development of modern Western civilisation only occured after exposure to the far higher cultures of the Middle East. They don’t like to hear that stuff 🙂
3 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:57am
nickb

nickb – ive just started “The Wold of Wall Street”. What pieces of shit those guys are! Good read though

Goof stuff! I am halfway through the sequel. It is pretty awesome. Making $1m per week at 26 lol. I am gutted I missed they guy when he came to NZ, I hadn’t heard of him at that point. Would have been awesome to listen to.
0 0
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:59am
kowtow

ciaron

kea will not address the issue as he knows he is lying.

he is a troll.

Look at how he tries to draw Lucia ,all nice,only to turn nasty very quickly.

He’s a slimey little prick. Smarmy too.And more than a little smutty ,with his pathetic “conquest” boasts and lot’s of innuendo.
6 4
Log in to Reply
Report
August 20, 2013 11:59am

More comments:

1
2
3
›

Add a Comment Cancel reply

Login to comment or vote

« What will growth reach?

Will Lianne allow Orion to price gouge? »

Donations

You can now donate to Kiwiblog

Exclusive content from DPF on Patreon

Become a Patron!

Never miss a post

Email Address

Join 37.4K other subscribers

Highlights

Health Target 5 – elective treatments
Health Target 4 – Specialist appointments
Health Target 3 – Emergency Dept Waiting Times
Health Target 2 – Immunisations

Links

Justice in Brazil
No Right Turn
"Seymour is only doing openly what M?ori nationalists and their Pakeha allies have been doing, quietly for the past 50 years."
Not PC
This Weeks Email To Prime Minister Luxon.
No Minister
Daily review 22/11/2024
The Standard
Do the KCs believe in democracy
Utopia
More young offenders will get boot camp, bus drivers will get some protection – and there’s relief for southern farmers
Point of Order
Sowell says
Hompaddock
New Zealand government urged to back ICC arrest warrants for Israeli leaders without equivocation
The Daily Blog
The transgender agenda sunk Kamala
Bob McCoskrie's McBlog
SETTING THE RECORD STRAIGHT
No Punches Pulled (Bob Jones)
What does “reciprocity” mean in New Zealand laws?
Croaking Cassandra
A Day of Reckoning
NZCPR
Media Link: “A View from Afar” on the US elections.
Kiwipolitico
This will not end well
Offsetting Behaviour
Top 14 Predictions for Round 10
Stats Chat
Tory Whanau may have to sell Wellington mayoralty to make ends meet
The Civilian
The Accidental Engagement
Imperator Fish
Legal Beagle: Election '23: The Special Votes
Public Address
Making this movie might have been a mistake
Liam Hehir
Why I am retiring from political blogging
Kiwi FireWalker
Angie Warren-Clark: Meet the Newbies
Dan Moskovitz

editor@kiwiblog.co.nz

PO Box 12270, Thorndon, Wellington 6144

Facebook
Twitter
FourSquare
Instagram
LinkedIn
Google+

Archives
Disclosure Statement
Editorial Policy
Privacy Policy
Complaints Policy
Comments Policy

Design by cre8d