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liarbors a joke

crap weather..
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August 11, 2013 8:01am
Dennis Horne

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10234986/Swedish-men-told-to-beware-testicle-munching-fish.html

The Bain protection squad can look like this…
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August 11, 2013 8:02am
Keeping Stock

One expects the politics of envy from Matt McCarten; his standard excuse for everything is to blame the Rich Pricks. But he’s played the race card today as well in an attempt to smear Fonterra, and it’s simply ugly stuff.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/08/mccarten-plays-race-card.html
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August 11, 2013 8:05am
Pete George

There’s a significant change in the local body election in Dunedin this year, and it’s happening to varying degrees elsewhere as well.

Party politics largely kept out of local body politics. Parties were involved but they kept below the radar, and the voters didn’t know and didn’t care about party connections.

This year in Dunedin the Greens are openly promoting a Green candidate for mayor and presumably also for council. The Greens have already been involved in local campaigns – anti fracking, anti drilling, anti hotel.

Job losses and stagnation are a major issue in Dunedin right now, probably the biggest issue. If Greens manage to dominate the next council the city will have an anti council – that is, anti business, anti new initiatives. Except ‘green’ jobs, which means heavily subsidised or wholly council/state funded. This is a major threat to a number of cities.
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August 11, 2013 8:28am
Nostalgia-NZ

‘Dennis Horne (1,470) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 8:02 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10234986/Swedish-men-told-to-beware-testicle-munching-fish.html

The Bain protection squad can look like this’

You and the sisters will be safe Dennis, no balls between the lot of ya.
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August 11, 2013 8:28am
Fletch

Not good. Mugabe selling uranium to Iran.

A highly placed Zimbabwean government official is claiming that his country has signed a deal to sell raw uranium to Iran, The Times of London reported on Saturday.

“I have seen [a memorandum of understanding] to export uranium to the Iranians,” the Times quoted Zimbabwe’s Deputy Mining Minister Gift Chimanikire as saying. Chimanikire is an opposition politician who served in President Robert Mugabe’s outgoing coalition.

The deal would constitute a clear violation of international sanctions. According to Chimanikire, the deal will go through regardless of the US having warned Zimbabwe that there would be serious ramifications were the sale to be completed.

http://www.jpost.com/Iranian-Threat/News/Report-Zimbabwe-signs-secret-agreement-to-sell-uranium-to-Iran-322613
http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/africa/article3839144.ece
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August 11, 2013 8:35am
kowtow

PG

You don’t need Greens to run rate payers into massive debt.

How many councils in Aotearoa formerly New Zealand are broke and yet not run by the Watermelons.

Councils are stacked full of the same political class types who don’t care about how other peoples’ money is spent.

Dunedin is a great example of out of control spending on grandiose schemes done in the face of ratepayer opposition.

The problem is an out of touch and out of control political class.
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August 11, 2013 8:38am
Fletch

Walid Shoebat claims he will be releasing a “Benghazi Bombshell” within the next few hours (I’m not sure of time zones).

Earlier this week, we told you about a Benghazi Bombshell we’ll be releasing. Not only do we stand by that description but it may be our biggest one to date on the subject (and we’ve already begun work on a follow-up story).

Since it’s been several days since we first teased the story, we just wanted to give you an update.

The report is done and in the proverbial hopper. It is scheduled to be released within double-digit hours and it won’t just be published on this site. In fact, that’s why we haven’t posted it here yet.

To use a Jaws metaphor, the tank is in the shark.

http://shoebat.com/2013/08/10/benghazi-bombshell-report-update/
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August 11, 2013 8:40am
Pete George

kowtow – I agree. But will a Green influx of mayors and councillors improve that?
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August 11, 2013 8:44am
Dennis Horne

@Nostalgia. Not you, old lag, you’re not colourful enough. I imagine you look more the beauty on the right:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/10219802/First-couple-consider-legal-challenge-to-Churchs-gay-marriage-opt-out.html
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August 11, 2013 8:48am
Scott Chris

Oh goody. The apostolic Pete George looks set to keep us apprised of the state of Dunedin’s local politics as well as the declining fortunes of his cherished Benighted Future Party.

What, with Penny Pepperpot’s endless spam and Kea’s impenetrable fatuity, our cup doth surely run over.
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August 11, 2013 9:38am
expat

Pete George AND Dennis Horne. They only way to improve this mix would be if Redbaiter turned up.
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August 11, 2013 9:38am
jcuk

As one of the disenfranchised voters of Dunedin I protest about being stopped from voting for the full council and am only permited to vote for one councillor … fat lot of good that does me … it was a leftish idea to encourange the ‘small’ candidate with limited resources to campaign for office which has disenfranchised me for the past twenty plus years since I moved here. So I probably will be stopped from voting for you Pete 🙂
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August 11, 2013 9:42am
Judith

Don’t worry expat, I’m here now 🙂 (bet that’s made your morning!)
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August 11, 2013 9:43am
wiseowl

Smalley this morning was appalling.Clearly had no idea what she was talking about.
Pleased that they had Prof Rowan on as she is a straight shooter and understands the benefit of co-operatives.
Probably wont be asked back.
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August 11, 2013 9:47am
lilman

Pete you have shown that you will overlook incompetence and poor skill sets in favour of being a friend of a Polly.
It would tell me that you are not a person who should have any part of governance ,local or central.
You display the age-old problem of “vote for me, you can trust me to do right by you”,but once elected say”you dont understand,I think your being harsh”.
The fact that you support Dunne is one thing,but I have seen you post many times,”hes misunderstood,hes trust worthy,he has been treated harshly”.
As far as I am concerned the fact that Dunne failed to act morally and your unwavering support tells me we need less of you not more.
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August 11, 2013 9:51am
Judith

Dennis Horne (1,471) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 8:02 am
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/sweden/10234986/Swedish-men-told-to-beware-testicle-munching-fish.html

The Bain protection squad can look like this…

I recognise that photo – you are right, it’s a restaurateur from Christchurch, a Bain protector for sure – spends most of the time protecting Robin Bain. 🙂
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August 11, 2013 9:51am
Scott Chris

They only way to improve this mix would be if Redbaiter turned up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yV4q0d5gv8
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August 11, 2013 9:52am
Don the Kiwi

So what happened last night?
No rugby to raise the spirits or send into depression.

Oh well, I suppose many just went out and got pissed anyway. 🙂
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August 11, 2013 9:56am
Pete George

jcuk – I won’t get to vote for myself either, I’m standing in the General ward but live in a token vote one councilor ward.

@lilman

You display the age-old problem of “vote for me, you can trust me to do right by you”,but once elected say”you dont understand,I think your being harsh”.

Funny. You think you can see into the future? I have never been elected.
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August 11, 2013 10:01am
Griff

Thanks Scott Chris
A new word for Kea
fa·tu·i·ty (f-t-t, -ty-, f-)
n. pl. fa·tu·i·ties
1. Smug stupidity; utter foolishness.
2. Something that is utterly stupid or silly.
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August 11, 2013 10:02am
itstricky

One expects the politics of envy from Matt McCarten; his standard excuse for everything is to blame the Rich Pricks. But he’s played the race card today as well in an attempt to smear Fonterra, and it’s simply ugly stuff.

If you look behind the rhetoric of that one paragraph, you see a very simple question:

* Why is this guy paid $100,00 a week for a screw up like this that affects the whole country?

I don’t see why that’s not a rational question to ask and something the average Joe should and would be asking themselves.

Your post sounds like exactly the same thing as you are deriding to me – you’re not answering the question or theorising about it – you are also playing the blame game – “one expect the politics of envy from… …trade unionist” etc.

Be the better man if you want to go moralising about someone’s outbursts.
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August 11, 2013 10:03am
Pete George

The Campbell Live poll on the GCSB bill has been blasted by Whale for gathering private information while ironically polling on the gathering of private information.

Andrew at grumpollie has blasted it as a self selecting poll – even if it is what Campbell Live aims for, “the biggest opinion poll in NZ history”, the size is meaningless if it is not randomly sampled.

You can multiple vote anyway.

And the anti=bill campaigners are busy trying to skew the result by encouraging people to vote – the way they want of course. Ironically amongst this someone fears National will skew the result:

Sure the GCSB bill will attract a lot of people who are legitimately against it but it is also going to attract the attention of National’s ‘Research Unit’ who, no doubt, will have a room full of people working day and night filling out the form and skewing the results.

So if the result isn’t favourable they can blame it on John Key.

As a poll it will be useless. But if not be Campbell Live it will almost certainly be used by some in deceitful claims of it being a sign of democracy.

Campbell Live poll and deceitful democracy
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August 11, 2013 10:10am
Pete George

An eye catching headline – Shadbolt contesting Auckland mayoralty.

Reuben Shadbolt – who is the son of longtime Invercargill Mayor and former Waitemata mayor Tim Shadbolt, is to contest the Auckland mayoralty.

The NZ Herald reports the 41-year-old father of three says his dad’s advice is to take it seriously, but try to use humour and not get angry when he comes under fire.

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/1289608942-shadbolt-contesting-auckland-mayoralty

Not what it seemed at first glance.
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August 11, 2013 10:13am
Dennis Horne

Judith, I hope your step has the same grace and lightness as your wit. XXX
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August 11, 2013 10:21am
liarbors a joke

Facebook biting people on the ass…ya mad to go anywhere near it..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/9027510/Facebook-used-in-worker-dismissal
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August 11, 2013 10:21am
magsta

Chris Laidlaw – Nat Radio thinks all you fullas are irrelevant, fatuous even.

http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/sunday/audio/2565222/judy-mcgregor-speaking-out-and-getting-heard

Maggy Wassilieff
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August 11, 2013 10:42am
Kea

Griff (5,532) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 10:02 am
Thanks Scott Chris
A new word for Kea
fa·tu·i·ty (f-t-t, -ty-, f-)
n. pl. fa·tu·i·ties
1. Smug stupidity; utter foolishness.
2. Something that is utterly stupid or silly.

Looks like our resident weathermen have nothing in the way of facts and are reduced to googling the thesaurus for new words 🙂
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August 11, 2013 10:42am
Kea

“liarbors a joke (769) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 8:01 am
crap weather..”

It’s because of BIG OIL and PROFITS.
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August 11, 2013 10:43am
Chuck Bird

I will be representing myself at a Settlement Conference at Manukau District Court tomorrow afternoon. According to some of the resident lawyers on this blog I will have a fool for a client.

I got emailed a “Will say” from this failed lawyer and property developer’s lawyer at 4:25 pm on Friday. I will not put up much of what it says because defamatory to other people.

The one thing that did shock me was to find this shyster is on Legal Aid. I checked out the government web site on legal aid and find out in criminal case they look at the charge and the person record before deciding to grant legal aid. In civil cases it appears they just look at a person’s financial circumstances or should I say alleged financial circumstances.

In other words Legal Aid is happy to fund a vexatious litigant who will never be in a position to pay them back.

On 21 July another from friend of his got a judgement against him for around $25k. The decision on costs is reserved. This guy has spent about the same amount on his lawyer. I think he will have little chance of getting his money from the judgement let alone costs.

Do the resident lawyers think this guy was smart employing a lawyer? He should have either walked away or represented himself being a former lawyer. I know another lawyer who this guy ripped off for something like $10k. He decided to mark it up to experience.

Below is a quote from him

I have no option but to go on Legal Aid and fight to the end for justice.

Some of you may get a laugh out of his description of me. I know I laughed when I read it.

Bird is a millionaire and has been described as a professional loan shark.

I know what I will be telling the judge tomorrow.

I will tell her that I am the victim of a lawyer who borrowed a substantial sum off me while I was his client which he has squander along with sizable inheritance and now have to fight the State as they are funding his lawyer who is vexatious sociopath and from committed mental patient. I of course was not aware of this when I loaned him the money.

I will let you all know her response.

Will anyone volunteer to come as a McKenzie friend at Manukau in the afternoon? No legal training needed.

chuckbirdnz@gmail.com
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August 11, 2013 10:48am
flipper

Have you been struck off yet Denis (aka Round the Horne comic) ?

Are you really a registered Doctor of Dentistry?

Or is that another of your flights of fancy, graphic hallucinations, and an over-active imagination which has given birth to goats, and witches potions? Say, could it be that you use those exotic potions on your “patients” ?

Seems likely, don’t you think N-NZ and Judith?
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August 11, 2013 10:48am
Judith

Kea (6,585) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 10:43 am

“liarbors a joke (769) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 8:01 am
crap weather..”

It’s because of BIG OIL and PROFITS.

It is all part of the divine plan Kea ❓ Not for us to question but to just put on our woolleys and be grateful for sheep.
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August 11, 2013 10:52am
Pauleastbay

Chris Laidlaw

Now why did I get my 30 demerits over this little turd?
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August 11, 2013 10:54am
Colville

liarbores a joke @10.21

I thought the use of facebook was usual but I did find it interesting that the employer forced the employee to reveal her banking details for the 2 days in question.

Obviously if you have a eftpos trail showing you were out in town or at the beach then you were not in fact at home sick.

Sacked. Good job.
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August 11, 2013 10:56am
flipper

Chuck….
For your own sanity, give it up.
You need more than a Mckenzie.
You have been given excellent, pro bono, legal advice. Heed it!
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August 11, 2013 10:56am
duggledog

89 billion pounds annual spend on UK welfare.

Recommended viewing ‘The Fairy Job Mother’ 9.35 on Prime TV Saturday nights, if you want to see some good examples of why the UK is doomed!
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August 11, 2013 11:00am
Judith

Pauleastbay (4,032) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 10:54 am
Chris Laidlaw

Now why did I get my 30 demerits over this little turd?

something you said? 😈
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August 11, 2013 11:01am
Pauleastbay

Will anyone volunteer to come as a McKenzie friend

Nothing like the last minute Chuck.!!!!!!

At the very least go and see a duty solicitor , one might pro bono you as a “friend” if he can have a quick perusal of the facts and there is merit in your case.

My advice is still the same – do not go it alone. If you have no access to ” precedents” you will struggle. All they need to do is throw in one relevant “precedent ” that suits their position and you’re on your bike.

Moral high ground and ‘whats right” has no place in civil jurisdictions.
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August 11, 2013 11:01am
liarbors a joke

“Will anyone volunteer to come as a McKenzie friend ”

Take the Public Watchdog along..that would be a hoooot…
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August 11, 2013 11:02am
Pauleastbay

Perhaps it was something you said? :twisted

Must have been thinking out loud again.
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August 11, 2013 11:02am
flipper

The lead items on the Herald website a few minutes ago….

**** Another blow for Fonterra

Fonterra has been forced to defend its brand once again amid fresh claims milk powder being sold in Sri Lanka was contaminated with radioactive chemicals… ***

Please John Key, when the Cabinet rubber stamps the terms of the Fonterra “pollution scandal” tomorrow, add another:

” Investigate, and hold to account, those in the media responsible for fomenting false claims….. etc ”

I would be nice to see/read of some evidence…one way or the other.
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August 11, 2013 11:03am
Chuck Bird

@flipper

I suggest you walk away from defending one of New Zealand’s worse mass murders.

I do do not intend on walking away on $70k or paying more money to a crooked lawyer. Any honest one would advise me either to walk away or represent myself. I have had that advise from a couple of honest lawyers. There are a few. 99% give the rest a bad name.
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August 11, 2013 11:06am
iMP

The Young Conservatives have a tilt at John Key over the NZ Flag and, well, relevant debate. Young Nats missing in action.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/about-that-flag-john/
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August 11, 2013 11:09am
Pauleastbay

@flipper

I suggest you walk away from defending one of New Zealand’s worse mass murders

Kapoooooooooooooooow.
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August 11, 2013 11:12am
flipper

Pauleastbay (4,034) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 11:02 am
Perhaps it was something you….
…. ****
Never read or heard the comment Paul….
But,
If it was in relation to Laidlaw (whose reputation was much enhanced by when playing inside Earle Kirton, a real Doctor of Dental Surgery – Denis take note. 🙂 ), it must have been true.
Or was it part of the OU old folks CYA club?

So, most unfair, I say!
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August 11, 2013 11:13am
dime

“@lilman

You display the age-old problem of “vote for me, you can trust me to do right by you”,but once elected say”you dont understand,I think your being harsh”.

Funny. You think you can see into the future? I have never been elected.”

“sir, your son has been killing & torturing small animals, he DISPLAYS all the signs of a serial killer”

“Funny. You think you can see into the future? he hasnt grown up and started killing people”

unless your 19000 boring ass posts have been a pisstake, most of us here can guess what type of politican you will be. a condescending asshole with no morals.

but it will be fun to watch.

ill be surprised if someone running against you doesnt just google your posts and pull out some gems. it would take all of 3 minutes. then we could watch you run around yelling “out of context!”
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August 11, 2013 11:15am
Pauleastbay

most unfair, I say!

Thats what I said. But the blog owner said different.

Laidlaw typifies the ‘champagne socailist. Spouts shit and takes with both hands
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August 11, 2013 11:16am
Don the Kiwi

Judith 10.52 am.

……….just put on our woolleys and be grateful for sheep

Don’t worry Judith.
Johnboy is way ahead of you 🙂

Any way, what’s happened to our mutton-loving humourist these days??
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August 11, 2013 11:17am
flipper

Worst mass murderer????

Are you talking about the fellow on the West Coast who went on a WW2 rampage?

Or Are you talking about Grey of Aramoana?

I know of no other.

So, Kapowoooooooooo, 2U

(Careful now. Do you want to be cited along with KP this October? 🙂 )
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August 11, 2013 11:17am
Pauleastbay

Any way, what’s happened to our mutton-loving humourist these days??

Standing in the corner facing away from the class for another week I believe.
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August 11, 2013 11:21am
Griff

JB is resting.
He received naughty points for targeting Nosnz’s identity once to often.
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August 11, 2013 11:24am
liarbors a joke

“employer forced the employee to reveal her banking details for the 2 days in question.”

..over my dead body. I would have told them to get stuffed.
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August 11, 2013 11:29am
Kea

The climate IS changing: it’s getting colder again!

Before the oppressive heat of a hot Texas summer impairs objectivity, consider a basic fact. Global warming has ceased for 16 years. This inescapable fact contradicts the official science of the United Nations’ Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, which is the foundation of global warming alarmism.

From 1997 to 2012, global mean temperatures have flat-lined while emissions of carbon dioxide — the majority of which now derives from China and India — have surged at an unprecedented rate.

National bodies like the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Agency, Britain’s Meteorological Office, and even climate change panel scientists have publicly recognized that temperature trends are either static or actually cooling. –

– See more at: http://www.cfact.org/2013/06/11/the-climate-is-changing-its-getting-colder-again/#sthash.p65pG9bv.dpuf
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August 11, 2013 11:32am
martinh

The herald says fonterra products may have radioactive contamination risks from dcd.
DCD is a fucken fertiliser, i hope Fonterra sue them into oblivion
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10911068
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August 11, 2013 11:33am
lilman

Pete fair point ,you havent been elected yet.
I have no problem with you in general but I
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August 11, 2013 11:42am
iMP

The Implications of Facebook on “sickies” and legal disclosure. If you wnat to sue your employer, then expect cross-examination. BAM!

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/08/11/flying-high-with-facebook-sacked-sued/
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August 11, 2013 11:43am
lilman

Sorry Pete got cut off, just as Dunne should have been.
Man has been shown as a fraud and you excuse his behavior,REALLY?
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August 11, 2013 11:44am
Manolo

Do I need to know about Dunedin’s candidates?
Sorry, P.G., but you can take your information campaign and proselitizing to your extremely popular blog. Leave me in peace.
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August 11, 2013 11:48am
Pete George

lilman – I’m not sure what behaviour you think I’ve excused. I think Dunne’s done some things wrong, but not as much as much wrong as some people think.

And I doubt if most people think he’s a fraud. He’s received an increase in support and in particular the party has seen a surge in membership – I don’t know if that is due to sympathy and support for Dunne, or if it’s a desire to see the party to survive despite Dunne.
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August 11, 2013 11:52am
Manolo

The Police would be charging the honest citizen had this happened in today’s politically correct NZ: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/5698062/Burglar-left-bruised-and-bleeding-by-retired-boxer-72.html
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August 11, 2013 11:54am
Manolo

And I doubt if most people think he’s a fraud. He’s received an increase in support and in particular the party has seen a surge in membership – I don’t know if that is due to sympathy and support for Dunne, or if it’s a desire to see the party to survive despite Dunne.

A new world record for the highest number of lies packed into a single paragraph!
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August 11, 2013 11:56am
Pete George

Manolo – you should accept that a wide range of people comment here on a wide range of topics, and a few muppets don’t get to decide what can be talked about and what can’t.

I suggest you either accept this or find your own peace.
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August 11, 2013 11:57am
holysheet

The herald says fonterra products may have radioactive contamination risks from dcd.
DCD is a fucken fertiliser, i hope Fonterra sue them into oblivion.

FYI dcd is not a fertiliser. It is sprayed onto pasture to supplement urea. It is supposed to kill off the bacteria in the soil that convert the urea to ammonia and then nitrate. Thus slowing down the conversion from urea to ammonia. The problem is it kills off all the good bacteria as well. The useless greens should be looking at its use and kicking up a stink.

It’s presently not allowed to be used on farms here so this stuff in shri lanka must be at least 18months old, unless the fert companies are still using it despite saying it is not. Now that would be a good investigation for a reporter.
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August 11, 2013 12:02pm
dime

“He’s received an increase in support and in particular the party has seen a surge in membership – I don’t know if that is due to sympathy and support for Dunne, or if it’s a desire to see the party to survive despite Dunne.”

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

a surge i tells ya! they went from under 500 members to over!!

PG – you had the shit kicked out of you at school a lot yeah?
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August 11, 2013 12:02pm
Reid

Now that would be a good investigation for a reporter.

But don’t expect it to happen, since it doesn’t involve any sports or celebrities, unless of course they can centre the story around a farm owned by a celebrity, then it may.
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August 11, 2013 12:19pm
nickb

ill be surprised if someone running against you doesnt just google your posts and pull out some gems.

Kiwi men are rapists, WW2 vets were selfish dads and husbands, slandering of civil servants, Dunne to replace Hillary on $5 note, etc
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August 11, 2013 12:23pm
thedavincimode

wide range of people comment here on a wide range of topics

Like Dunne, Dunne, Dunne, Dunne, Dunne … Dunne … Dunne. 🙄

edit:

Thanks for the reminder nickb. I forgot our rape culture. 😕
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August 11, 2013 12:41pm
Paulus

Michael Cullen, failed Finance Minister, now Chairperson of NZ Post and thereby KiwiBank is pleading for more capital to prop up the Solvency Margin of KiwiBank.
He is suggesting that more taxpayer money be obtained from NZ Fund, and other Government Funds, such as Kiwisaver to do so.
I am sure none of these funds would be in their right minds to prop up a minimal or negative return Company.
If it so great sell 49% to the public and see what their reaction would be.
At least with Power Companies the dividend return are very positive around a yield of 6% to 7%.
KiwiBank has the wrong customer mix – often those other Banks would not touch.
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August 11, 2013 12:43pm
thedavincimode

dime

You’re forgetting that it isn’t even a party yet.
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August 11, 2013 12:44pm
Chuck Bird

@flipper

“Karam cannot sue me on behalf of David. David has to and he would have to take the stand.”

I would have some interesting questions to ask him about a certain goat alone with many more.
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August 11, 2013 12:55pm
Kea

thedavincimode , perhaps PG could make his town the first in NZ to ban rape ?
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August 11, 2013 12:56pm
thedavincimode

… or men
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August 11, 2013 1:15pm
Dave Mann

On the recent and ongoing Fonterra contamination claims…. it seems to me that we are witnessing a concentrated effort to cripple New Zealand’s dairy exports and image.

I am not saying that these things should just be swept under the carpet by any means, but nobody has found any baby formula which is ACTUALLY faulty. Any organisms which were present in (some of) the whey would surely have been killed in the process of making infant formula and nobody has been able to point to any instances of botulism. Neither has Sri Lanka ACTUALLY found any milk powder which is ACTUALLY contaminated with DCD. Its all just based on rumour, speculation and innuendo.

Fonterra will rightly be shitting themselves. Public Relations companies are engaged normally to enhance or protect reputations, and I think some organisation is at work here to attack and destroy Fonterra’s reputation and its brand. It would be an easy thing to do; just PR in reverse. The question is who? A competitor? The Greens?
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August 11, 2013 1:18pm
Judith

Don the Kiwi (1,009) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 11:17 am
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I have no idea? I wonder, perhaps he wandered over the edge whilst chasing sheep in the highlands?
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August 11, 2013 1:24pm
Reid

While I’m a critic of those who hallucinate that something secret is therefore sinister, sometimes some of the national security rules ARE sinister, such as the ones where those affected by them aren’t even allowed to say they are affected by them.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/technology/news/article.cfm?c_id=5&objectid=10910436
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August 11, 2013 1:30pm
flipper

You might be called by CS Chucky to help defend KP et al.
That would be fun.

By the way Chuck, KP et al….
Have you ever heard of criminal libel?
I make no accusation, but recommend caution, when you refer to someone as “defending one of New Zealand’s worse mass murders”.
So chucky, I repeat:
” … Worst mass murderer????

Are you talking about the fellow on the West Coast who went on a WW2 rampage?

Or are you talking about Grey of Aramoana?

I know of no other. …”

Come in Chuck. Are you talking about those two, or is it Robin Bain? The dead cannot be defamed, Chuck, so have a go!
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August 11, 2013 1:33pm
Reid

The question is who? A competitor? The Greens?

Matt McCarten?
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August 11, 2013 1:41pm
flipper

Dave Mann…
Well said, and quite agree. Made similar point yesterday and again this morning.

And our delightful MSM are mostly to blame.

They scaremonger, but provide NO SUBSTANTIATION – NOTHING.

The Q+A crap this morning was a prime example. Only Hootton made some sense.

But Fonterra is doomed if they pre-ejaculate, and damned because they didn’t.

The foreign and media elements in this are all too obvious and cannot/should not be excluded in any inquiry.
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August 11, 2013 1:44pm
Judith

@ flipper

Chuck and co know very well that David would never sue them, which is why they make the accusations they do, so openly and without honesty.

David learned a long time ago to ignore these people. As you and I both know, their talk is all bravado. Chuck’s case would not last five minutes before he found himself writing a cheque for David.

David has two choices, he either plays their stupid game or he ignores them, lives his life as best he can and let Joe represent him when needed. David lost 15 years of his life for something he didn’t do. 15 years spent in the harshest of conditions with some of this countries most violent offenders. 15 years being poked, prodded and repeatedly questioned and examined about the case. If CS and Chuck think for one minute anything they say effects David more an a mosquito buzzing in his ear, they are delusional. David has lost too much to care at all about some idiot who thinks they can manipulate the court and do a trial rerun in a defamation case.

We on the other hand are a different matter and something CS needs to consider. There is a growing group of NZers who do care about the increasing list of wrongful convictions, and police ineptitude, not to mention finding organised groups who seek to persecute and deny the wrongfully convicted the right of due process, abhorrent. We are the ones CS need to worry about. Until now they have had no formal opposition. I don’t think they should rely on it staying that way for too much longer.
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August 11, 2013 1:56pm
Chuck Bird

@fliiper

I do not to check the law but from memory criminal libel no longer exists.

However, I will take you advice because there are some vexatious nutcases out there as I well know so I rephrase what I said.

David Bain have never been found innocent in a count of law – only be Binnie the Ninny.

On the balance of probabilities David Bain murdered his family.
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August 11, 2013 1:59pm
Reid

So apparently Rodney thinks Dunne’s a philanderer, as well.

The emails weren’t published and weren’t used in the inquiry. Peter Dunne and the journalist emailed each other prolifically, up to 23 times a day. Their emails would make far juicier reading than Don Brash’s musings on policy and political strategy. I fear the world has lost out on an exciting book, a play, and, quite possibly, a steamy movie.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/politics/news/article.cfm?c_id=280&objectid=10910985

Which would be OK, he’s not the first. But why does he have to lie about it?
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August 11, 2013 2:06pm
liarbors a joke

“And our delightful MSM are mostly to blame.
They scaremonger, but provide NO SUBSTANTIATION – NOTHING.”

Like the breathless Mat McLean One news early on this week…his 1 minute on screen reporting/ orgasm/breakdown over Fonterra was cringworthy…wide eyed, waving arms , sweating profusely , heavy emphasis on every third word..fuck anyone would have thought he was reporting the end of mankind. At the end of his performance, knowledge wise, I was no better off with the issue, except that Fonterra are ‘bad bastards and need to be hung drawn and quarted ‘.
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August 11, 2013 2:07pm
Judith

Chuck Bird (3,696) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 1:59 pm
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As you well know, the only person who has examined all the evidence to assess the Balance of Probabilities in this case was the Canadian Supreme Court Judge, Ian Binnie.

His report was incorrectly peer reviewed and the criticism was given that it did not follow due process and was therefore flawed. That criticism did not say that the conclusion was wrong. That conclusion was that David Bain was innocent on the Balance of Probabilities.

Since then the peer review has come under criticism that it was obtained by incorrect process (the same claim made about Binnie’s report) and that the Minister did not follow due process herself.

However, the main point is, that on the Balance of Probabilities, the only official and informed test results were that David Bain is innocent on BoP. 🙂 so, I’m sorry, but you are factually wrong – again.
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August 11, 2013 2:07pm
Chuck Bird

@Judith

You mean Ninnie. He was not properly qualified.
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August 11, 2013 2:22pm
muggins

When Binnie interviewed David Bain he accepted at face value everything Bain told him , even to the extent of believing him when he said he saw his friend having a sexual encounter with a goat.
We all know David Bain lied in court when he said he hadn’t been wearing the glasses in evidence that weekend.
He told his lawyer ,with his co-counsel present, that he would be admitting to wearing them.
Then when his lawyer took him through his evidence-in-chief he said he hadn’t been wearing them.
His lawyer had already told the Crown prosecutor that Bain had told him he would be admitting to wearing those glasses,so after giving his evidence-in-chief his lawyer had no option but approach the Crown prosecutor and tell him that Bain had lied about those glasses.
On top of that the aunt who Bain stayed with before he was arrested heard Bain lie about those glasses.
At the retrial she testified that he had told her, with one of her daughters present, that he had been wearing a pair of his mother’s glasses that weekend. They weren’t perfect ,he told her ,but they got him by.
So there are four people who heard David Bain say he was wearing those glasses that weekend.
Judith and co will tell you those people are either mistaken or lying.
I will tell you that it is David Bain who is lying.
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August 11, 2013 2:22pm
Chuck Bird

@flipper

I might on looking at the evidence I am 99.99% certain Robin Bain did not kill anyone including himself.
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August 11, 2013 2:27pm
nasska

Not Bain again. Bring back the Godsquad & the Conservatives…..all is forgiven!
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August 11, 2013 2:29pm
lilman

Judith race back to the stove your tea is burning,whilst there calm down,maybe have a wine.
Bains team have to do one thing to get compensation and its simple.
Prove that he didn’t do it,simple.
Not prove on the balance of probabilities,just prove he did not 100 percent kill those family.
When he can do that he can have 100 million dollars as far as I am concerned.If he can’t do that and I’m not talking about blaming dad, the postman ,Sir Edmund Hillary just prove David Bain did not kill them then you will be right and can go back to doing woman things like sewing ,knitting and of course long lunches.
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August 11, 2013 2:30pm
graham

Reid, Rodney’s column makes interesting reading, and raises the very same points that many people have been saying for same time:

– the hypocrisy of the media knows no bounds. They were more than happy to publish a bunch of leaked documents, including Don Brash’s private emails, without permission

– the original inquiry was of a very serious nature, despite the Herculean efforts of some people to dismiss and downplay it for their own self-interest. The inquiry was ordered by the Prime Minister, and was looking at the unauthorised disclosure of a sensitive government document.

Good on Rodney Hide for standing up to the self-serving hypocrisy of the New Zealand journalists.
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August 11, 2013 2:31pm
UglyTruth

I do not to check the law but from memory criminal libel no longer exists.

AFAIK the relevant legislation within personal jurisdiction is the Defamation Act.
Outside of this it remains unaffected.
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August 11, 2013 2:36pm
Judith

Chuck Bird (3,698) Says:
August 11th, 2013 at 2:22 pm

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He most certainly was qualified. Because he didn’t give you the results you wanted, doesn’t mean his experience and qualification is negated.

I have read a number of posts made by the JFRB group when Binnie was first appointed, where they are thrilled that he was appointed because they thought he was not only suitably qualified but was experienced enough to get at the truth.

Strange how opinions can change when they didn’t get what they wanted.
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August 11, 2013 2:36pm
lilman

Shit Pete Mr DUNNE was a minister of the crown ,not the head of Plunket from Picton,for god sake.
He was asked for all information for an inquiry ordered by the government of the day,he refused ,he said no you can’t have all the information,and you excuse that!!!!!
He is paid by the taxpayers of this country and is morally by any set of governance guidelines compelled to reveal all that was asked of him and you say he hasn’t done much wrong.
God help the south if you more than one vote because it means that you may be encouraged to try again.
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August 11, 2013 2:38pm
flipper

Chucky and Mugsy…birds of the feather….both writing penny horrible fiction, as per normal.
You would be better of Mugsy spending your time and efforts trying to raise money to help the poor (soon to be bankrupted) CS/KP mob.

And you, Chucky… please promise that when you win your $70,000+ case in the Manukau DC this week, you will place the entire sum (less the costs of your McKenzie, if are lucky enough to find a sheep for slaughter) in trust to assist poor KP and CS.

Come on Chucky …make the promise!
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August 11, 2013 2:40pm
Kea

lilman, Bain was found not guilty after proper legal process. That was further reviewed by a suitably qualified person who reached the same conclusion. I see no basis on which compensation could now be denied.

This not about what we think, it is about proper process. I personally think he is guilty.
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August 11, 2013 2:46pm
muggins

Talking about private emails, guess which member of kiwiblog, starting with a J, used the OIA to obtain details of emails sent to the Minister Of Justice over a period of a year and then had the temerity to publish extracts from at least one of those emails on kiwiblog?
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August 11, 2013 2:46pm
Judith

@ lilman
How sexist and condescending of you.
David Bain has been unable to prove he 100% innocent due to the actions of the an inept Police investigation, which is why the measure of balance of probabilities is applied due to those extra-ordinary factors.
However, I believe you may get your proof, because if it is proved those marks are from the magazine on Robin’s thumb, then those results could change again.

@ Muggins

It doesn’t make an ounce of difference whether those people are lying, mistaken etc.
The fact is the glasses were not worn that morning because both lenses had dust on them making them no use for vision.
Det. Glover stated that the lens in David’s room was dusty.
Sanderson stated the lens in Stephen’s room was dusty.
The frame nor the lens had any dna evidence on them, despite the copious amount of blood in Stephen’s room, and the amount of blood on the perpetrators hands, seeped through the gloves.

As there was still dust on the lenses, it proves they were not wiped/washed or any other process was done to removed that evidence.

It also proves they could not have been used for vision.
The fact that they were glasses made to Margaret’s prescription, for her astigmatism, and for distance viewing, mean they would have made David Bain’s close vision distorted. Thus making it difficult to load and sight the rifle.

If you persist with the argument against commonsense that the short sighted David needed the glasses in order to see, then how do you explain that the murderer managed to kills others after Stephen, find the frames and one lens, and clean, complete a paper run etc, all without the glasses?

You might also like to account for why more than three people gave evidence/statements to the police that they had spent time with David Bain during that previous weekend and he had told them he not only didn’t have his glasses but that he had no spares. He had no way of knowing the glasses were to be found/broken or anything else you like to claim.

The glasses are a red herring, one that you like to concentrate on because you have nothing else. Who knows why Guest has made his claims, but Mrs Clark is mistaken in what she remembered more than a year after the events and only when she was prompted.
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August 11, 2013 2:52pm
Reid

Surprisingly this is one set of “victims” we haven’t yet heard much from, but one assumes we will in future, if Wussell ever weads this…

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/ginger-pride-march-redheads-rally-in-edinburgh-1-3039990

Oh the humanity.
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August 11, 2013 2:54pm
muggins

Judith, please.
David Bain was wearing those glasses that weekend.
The question is why was that frame damaged and why was a lens from those glasses found in Stephen’s room?
Sanderson never saw any dust on that lens.
David Bain himself said he had worn those glasses before when his were unavailable.
He said he only wore them for watching TV and going to lectures so people who spent time with him would not have seen them wearing them. His father and mother and his siblings would have seen them wearing those glasses but they couldn’t testify because they were all dead after being shot in the head.
And thanks for proving me right when you said that Mrs Clark was mistaken. That conversation most certainly did take place.
What’s more David told her which optician those glasses were being repaired by and when they would be ready.
And please stop using OIA to obtain details of my private emails.
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August 11, 2013 3:03pm
Scott Chris

Face facts. David Bain caused global warming because he is a murdering atheist.
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August 11, 2013 3:03pm
nasska

Scott Chris

Best hypothesis of the day. 🙂
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