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kowtow

Multiculturalism, it brings such diversity to the west and is soooooooooooooooo enriching.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/second-case-of-leprosy-reported-in-ireland-1.1489666
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August 10, 2013 8:16am
Steve (North Shore)

sssshhhhhh Americas Cup is on
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August 10, 2013 8:16am
Pete George

I’m standing for Dunedin City Council.

My first priority is listening to the people and looking for the best ways to represent these people. I will set up systems of communication via social media and public meetings. This always has been my primary interest in politics.

Should I become a city councillor my second priority will be working hard for the people of Dunedin – not just for a vocal minority but for the good of the majority.

And thirdly I will use my experience and contacts in national politics to push central government hard for better regional policies. Auckland is very important to New Zealand, but so are the regions, which feed Auckland with a lot of resources and people. Big cities and regions should not compete, they are different, with different strengths. If both cities and the regions are strong we will have a stronger country.

I won’t push it here because it’s local, but I’m being open and up front as usual in advising this. It will give the knockers some more ammunition but that’s never held me back before and it won’t now.

I believe in more than saying, I’m prepared to have a damn good go at achieving things that are important to me, and that I think are important to Dunedin and the south of New Zealand. Local body elections can be a bit of a lottery with apathy being the leading level of interest, but I’ll do what I can to promote a different approach to local politics, with stronger links with people and with national politics.
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August 10, 2013 8:19am
Judith

Steve (North Shore) (3,754) Says:
August 10th, 2013 at 8:16 am
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Gave up watching when they changed it from things that looked like yachts to things that look like space craft. The America’s cup no longer has the ‘romanticism’ of sailing.
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August 10, 2013 8:19am
Judith

Pete George (18,835) Says:
August 10th, 2013 at 8:19 am

Good luck Pete – I don’t know much about local body politics in Dunedin, so I’m not sure what sort of battle you will have, but hopefully you come out on top.
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August 10, 2013 8:21am
Steve (North Shore)

You have no idea of the technology involved here Judith – these boats fly.
Formula one on the water
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August 10, 2013 8:23am
Dennis Horne

Yes, good luck, Pete, and of course Judith wants you on top too. Judith is such a romantic. 😉
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August 10, 2013 8:29am
Judith

Steve (North Shore) (3,755) Says:
August 10th, 2013 at 8:23 am

I do have an idea of the technology involved, as you say its formula one stuff – but to me that is not sailing!
The expertise comes primarily in the design – which for me removes the ‘romantic idealism’ of ‘man at one with nature’.

It’s just a personal preference – although, staff room chatter dictates I’m not the only one that feels this way.
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August 10, 2013 8:31am
Judith

Dennis Horne (1,467) Says:
August 10th, 2013 at 8:29 am

Good morning Dennis – what no poem? 😉
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August 10, 2013 8:32am
Steve (North Shore)

It’s a race, not sailing into the senset
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August 10, 2013 8:33am
Judith

The America’s cup was the epitome of ‘sailing’, yes it is a race, but it’s a yacht race, and I see very little similarity between the current things they race with, and what is traditionally regarded as a yacht.

It’s just personal preference Steve but to be honest, I don’t see the numbers of Kiwi’s sitting around their TV’s supporting the Kiwi effort in the cup today, as we did 18 odd years ago, so I would hazard a guess that I’m not the only person who feels this way.
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August 10, 2013 8:37am
Paulus

Well done terrible Auckland Herald – your front page today is a disgrace to New Zealand.
I suppose the editors do actually realise that such emotive headlines do not sell papers but do considerable damage to the country – but do you care – we all know that it is John Key’s fault as you allude.
Ambrose “Utu” effect still.
I notice that you have inflated your readership figures – tell us how many papers you sell (not give away), and what multiplying figure you use to determine readership from print.. Probably you would say 2 to 1 but probably more like 4 to 1 print.
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August 10, 2013 8:44am
Nostalgia-NZ

If Team NZ bring the cup home it will be a triumph not only of skills, design etc but adapting to the new rules.
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August 10, 2013 8:44am
Cricklewood

@ Steve ns

It ain’t formula one its more like the old group b rally cars and i doubt we’ll see the again. Mores the pity really
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August 10, 2013 8:45am
Steve (North Shore)

I’m sure it will go back to mono hulls on the Waitemata Harbour once NZ calls the shots.
We are dam good at this sailing stuff
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August 10, 2013 8:51am
thedavincimode

I expect you’ll be a shoe-in Pete.

Your unstinting support of Dunne throughout the leak business shows that you’re quite at ease in ignoring fundamental breaches of principle and standards of behaviour so long as the outcome is consistent with your perceptions of what is fair, sensible, or reasonable. Similarly, your apparent indifference to single working teenagers subsidising lifestyle choices of people such as yourself and support for Dunny’s equally discriminating and bludging income splitting proposal.

There are some people in life who, when confronted with their own stupidity, negligent behaviour, or compromised principles, have the most amazing capacity to just blink and remain quite unperturbed because the fact that they have failed or done wrong simply doesn’t register. I used to think that you just played the moral equivalence game, but more recently I’ve arrived at the conclusion that it’s more simple than that. You just don’t get it and never will. That’s why you’ll be quite happy to tell people exactly what they want to hear irrespective of its merits. You will never have to wrestle with what is right or wrong measured against some ethical, moral or technical touchstone. All that matters is what appeals to you as being fair, sensible, or reasonable. Like Dunny and the arsehole Peters, you’ll always be able to con naïve and stupid people into voting for you with your hokey platitudes.
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August 10, 2013 8:52am
Manolo

The vile Muslims protest: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/news/richard-dawkins-muslim-jibe-sparks-twitter-backlash-8753837.html
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August 10, 2013 9:02am
Pete George

I’ve arrived at the conclusion that it’s more simple than that. You just don’t get it and never will.

What’s the ‘it’ that you think I don’t get? I set about learning what I could about how politics works over the last five years, I think I now have a very good insight. Obviously I see different things to you. That doesn’t make you exclusively right.

That’s why you’ll be quite happy to tell people exactly what they want to hear irrespective of its merits.

Very funny. Is that why I only get thumbs up, and everyone here always agrees with everything I say and never argues?

Thanks for the lecture, it’s always good to hear from people who think they are experts, lprent’s good at that too, he’s still lecturing to me a year after he banned me for always saying exactly what the Standardists wanted to hear.

I’d better not say something about it you don’t like in response, that would be out of character, wouldn’t it.
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August 10, 2013 9:06am
Manolo

Come clean, liar Kenyan: http://firstread.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/08/09/19950803-snowden-revelations-force-obamas-hand-on-surveillance-program?lite
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August 10, 2013 9:07am
Reid

Well done terrible Auckland Herald – your front page today is a disgrace to New Zealand.

What does it say Paulus? The website only has a house sale.

Meanwhile on Stuff we have the politicians acting in unison to rort the taxpayers, again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/9025266/MPs-unite-to-keep-travel-perk-in-house

Labour MP Ruth Dyson, chairwoman of the select committee that gutted the bill, said it had decided the Speaker was the appropriate body to set the allowances.

Travel to and from Parliament was part of an MP’s job, she said. She hoped the public would understand that “we travel to Wellington because we’re elected to Parliament, not because being in Wellington three days a week is where we would like to be”.

Perhaps it escapes Ruth and the rest of the rorters that no-one forced them to stand for Parliament, lots of people have travel requirements as part of their job and neither of those things means they therefore have the “right” to set their own travel allowances.

Leadership is partly about setting examples and the first thing I do in leadership roles is to take on the scungiest job around just to show my people that I’m not above it. I do this to dispel the default position for people which is the assumption that their leader is up themselves ego-wise. Possibly politicians would be slightly more popular if they started doing a few things along those lines as well, as opposed to awarding themselves velvet cushions on which they rest their precious, plump bottoms.
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August 10, 2013 9:25am
Boglio

Agree with Paulus 8:44 the Herald has inflated ideas about it’s self. In fact who is the Herald? on page 5 today under the headline “Mayor shelves port expansion plans” Bernard Orsman says

“The Herald has been campaigning since January last year against further reclamation of the Waitemata Harbour”

With out debating the rights or wrongs of the reclamation I want to know who is “The Herald”. Is it Bernard Orsman, the editor, the Board of Directors, the owners, the collective journalists who work there. Who took it upon themselves to undertake this campaign. I thought that the News Media were meant to report and to comment impartially on topics oif interest.
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August 10, 2013 9:31am
Reid

Came across this interesting article last night:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2386444/SHONA-SIBARY-laments-loss-teen-daughters-individuality.html#ixzz2bNBgMAXu

This is one outcome of the subliminal social engineering techniques promulgated to the slack-jawed public via the media, television, Hollyweird and the Western education system. Shona compares her own experience as a kid in the 80’s. It started in the 60’s but the techniques they used back then look childishly naive by comparison and it takes decades to take effect but take effect it does and if you think things are bad now just wait until Shona’s kids have kids and watch how they turn out.

If you want examples of resistance to this then look at Russia and China. If you don’t want your kids to be played like violins then educate them at home and throw out the TV. And don’t expect the people who work in those industries to know that what they are doing is designed to have the effects that Shona raises. Almost all of them are useful idiots in the game same as the slack-jawed public, who are only too ready, thanks to decades of propaganda, to buy the human wights argument in which most of it is disguised. If you’re curious as to the source, just google tavistock institute social engineering and if you’re put off by the sites that it raises, just ask yourself whether or not what those sites say actually explains observable reality such as what Shona points out. Simple as that.
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August 10, 2013 9:44am
thedavincimode

Pete

You see? Well, no you don’t. That was the wrong “it”. Point proven. Hopeless.
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August 10, 2013 9:47am
Griff

Deep fried climate change denial. I’ll take my wingnut crispy thanks.

http://www.calepa.ca.gov/PressRoom/Releases/2013/ClimateRpt.pdf
http://www.sciencecodex.com/nasa_fire_towers_in_space_watch_for_wildfires_on_the_rise-117322

Wildfires:
The number of acres burned by wildfires has been increasing since 1950.
The size, severity, duration and frequency of wildfires are greatly influenced by
climate. The three largest fire years on record in California occurred in the last
decade, and annual acreage burned since 2000 is almost
twice that for the 1950-2000 period.
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August 10, 2013 9:52am
thedavincimode

Excellent point Griff. We flatten that bush and no more fires to cause global warming. You’ve nailed it! 🙂
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August 10, 2013 9:55am
lilman

Sorry Pete,I know you love Dunne but the reality is he was a Minister of the crown and when he was asked to release all information to the inquiry he refused to release some.
Game,set and match.
If he knows his responsibilities ,and he does,then he is morally compelled to act with honour and follow request to their fullest.
He is a fool and your cheerleading is pathetic at best and if I were a voter down south I would never consider you because you excuse bad behavior and poor competence.
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August 10, 2013 9:56am
Reid

I set about learning what I could about how politics works over the last five years, I think I now have a very good insight.

Pete, I don’t know you but from what I’ve observed you’re not very good at identifying vested interests and if you can’t do that you will never understand politics. The maxim: “There is nothing so vigorously defended as a vested interest disguised as an intellectual conviction” occurs daily in real life and in politics but one major difference is that in real life often the disguise is not deliberately adopted by the wearer whereas in politics the opposite is almost always the case, except for the profoundly naive Gweens who really do believe their own childish bollocks.

Of course properly identifying this requires a healthy dose of cynicism which doesn’t seem to feature much in the fair, sensible and reasonable thought world which you habitually appear to inhabit. In some ways you remind me of some Christians who have a similar blind spot and this is because they have trained themselves to see only the good in people and to deliberately ignore the bad and after years of doing this they find it very hard to penetrate the veil. But it’s only behind the veil that the venal truth lies. The real art in this is of course recognising when it’s a false positive because sometimes, even in politics, it’s not venal. But to reach that stage you firstly have to recognise the positive positives and they happen, as I said, all the time.
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August 10, 2013 9:58am
wat dabney

I confess!

“Griff” is just a socket-puppet I operate to discredit the global warming movement by posting incredibly stupid things.

And I shall keep doing it…
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August 10, 2013 9:58am
Griff

We already have flattened the nativebush.

Then we imported trees from California……

The same ones we make lots of export monies from.

Unfortunately Monterey pine from California make good crispy climate change deniers.
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August 10, 2013 10:04am
Reid

I thought that the News Media were meant to report and to comment impartially on topics oif interest.

No these days they’re thought leaders because they’re so well informed they’ve become “advanced thinkers” therefore it’s not just their right it’s their duty to tell we the ~~people~~ children what to think, on matters such as how not to dscwiminate against gay people and minorities, who to vote for, which countries are goodies and which countries are the baddies, and so on and so forth, ad infinitum.

I mean imagine where we’d be without their tremendous and unlimited perspicacity. Why we’d all be like a bunch of sheep, just running round bumping into each other bleating madly as our thought processes just went any old where. Goodness. It would be a complete disaster.
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August 10, 2013 10:11am
Griff

@ wat dabney
As I am quoting the California environment agency on wild fires along with NASA. What facts are you going to argue with?

Lets guess.

Is there just a chance that you have a blog post that proves this wrong?

Or a opinion piece in a news paper?

Wingnuts like you believe any piece of rubbish no matter the source over the actual experts.
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August 10, 2013 10:12am
wat dabney

My name’s Griff and I am so ignorant that I don’t even understand what was stupid about my post.
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August 10, 2013 10:21am
Manolo

Don Quixote was a madman,
Peter Dunne a whore,
The former had Sancho,
the latter, Peter George.
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August 10, 2013 10:23am
Manolo

Getting more people hooked on benefits, the easiest way of winning elections: http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2013/08/09/food-stamp-use-rises-some-15-of-u-s-gets-benefits/?mod=WSJ_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsSecond
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August 10, 2013 10:32am
iMP

More detail here on the new mayoral contender in Christchurch against L. Dalziel.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/08/10/detail-on-the-2nd-chch-mayoral-contender/
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August 10, 2013 10:34am
liarbors a joke

Credit where credits due…well done NG…

http://1law4all.co.nz/2013/08/10/maori-fishing-quota/
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August 10, 2013 10:34am
Manolo

The incredible cheek of a corrupt government: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/afghans-deliver-ultimate-insult-to-diggers-with-tax-on-military-equipment-leaving-the-country/story-fncynjr2-1226694582531
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August 10, 2013 10:39am
bereal

When the Prime Minister mentions during a radio interview yesterday that ‘some’ New
Zealand muslims are now back here from their terrorist training camps in Yemen and
that ‘some’ are still in Yemen, i would have liked him to be asked,
“Well, how the fuck many are ‘some’ ?” And,
“What the fuck are we doing about it ?”

i guess there is no law to stop New Zealanders travelling to Yemen,

Maybe there should be.
At least we are ‘monitoring’ them. That should be comforting news to all.

Maybe we should consider the wisdom of importing more and more muslims.
What good are muslims to New Zealand ?
Can anyone answer that question ?
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August 10, 2013 10:50am
Manolo

What good are muslims to New Zealand?

None whatsoever.
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August 10, 2013 10:51am
wat dabney

“What good are muslims to New Zealand ?”

The question betrays an inherently fascist viewpoint; that people are not simply free to pursue their own happiness.
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August 10, 2013 11:02am
Fairfacts Media

Danish paper quotes scientists warning of risk of impending ice age.
http://www.climatedepot.com/2013/08/09/major-danish-daily-newspaper-warns-globe-may-be-on-path-to-little-ice-agemuch-colder-wintersdramatic-consequences/
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August 10, 2013 11:04am
Griff

Danish paper quotes disinformation about the effects of the sun cycle.

You quote Marc Morano a political hack for climate denial withing the Republican party.
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August 10, 2013 11:20am
wat dabney

I’ve now got my “Griff” sock-puppet on full retard.
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August 10, 2013 11:22am
wikiriwhis business

Howard Zinn was one of the many disciples of investigative journalist George Seldes.

He was the author of more than 20 books, including “A People’s History of the United States”, a perpetual best seller.

Zinn’s perspective on war was not created in a vacuum.

During World War II Zinn was a bombardier in the 490th Bombardment Group,

His targets included Berlin, Czechoslovakia, and Hungary as well as Royan, a seaside resort in southwestern France which on which he dropped napalm.

He documented the last bombing in his book “The Politics of History”, the research included him discovering that 1.000 civilians were killed in that raid and the raid itself, ordered in the last three weeks of the war, was primarily a career-building exercise for the officers involved.

Many Vets share Zinn’s feeling about their war experiences. Very, very few ever find a supportive platform to talk about their experiences and outlooks. – See more at: http://www.brasschecktv.com/videos/howard-zinn/the-myth-of-the-good-wars-.html#sthash.OPB9hYMX.dpuf
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August 10, 2013 11:23am
wikiriwhis business

Nigel Farage on “wholesale, violent revolution” in Europe

When people have hope, they protest.

When people lose hope, they riot.

The idiocy of the one currency Eurozone seems intent on wringing the last drop of hope out of the system.

I’m going to Europe on vacation this month because I’m not sure how pleasant a place it’s going to be in the coming years.
– See more at: http://www.realecontv.com/videos/europe/whats-wrong-with-the-euro.html#sthash.5z5KmRXH.dpuf
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August 10, 2013 11:24am
kowtow

Bereal

If any journalist asked the PM the real questions that must be asked about “New Zealander” Muslims training in Yemen ,that would have been “racist” ,furthermore it is the end of Ramadamadingdong and such questions would be “offensive” particularly at this important time of year for them.
Muslims are part of the new multicultural Aotearoa and they enrich our pasty white boring western society.
We must celebrate the diversity that they have been so kind to bring to our monocultural ,colonial oppressive shores.

In fact they are so enriching we need tens of thousands more of them………..
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August 10, 2013 11:33am
dime

PG – if you are elected will it mean you won’t have time to spam kiwiblog? That would be sweet.

How many years did it take you to create your “kiwi battler” defense mechanism? It’s always “I’ve had detractors before” blah blah blah I hope you get in and we can watch your “career”. Your voting record will be hilarious.

Then again, one of your peers will no doubt identify what you’re like early on and make you their bitch.
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August 10, 2013 11:35am
kowtow

People free to pursue their own happiness?

Tell that to the two girls who had acid thrown in their faces.

Peace and tolerance indeed.
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August 10, 2013 11:37am
nickb

PG, do you pay DPF for all the UF and personal advertising you use this blog for?
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August 10, 2013 11:42am
wikiriwhis business

It’s no secret Central Otago is wine country, but it’s less well-known that Mr Key’s investment trust has a stake in a vineyard and a financial interest in the wine it produces. He says he doesn’t even know himself, because his interests are tied up in the blind trust – however a month after that trust was set up, he had a dinner conversation with a wine critic, caught on video, in which he spoke about the vineyard.

“You’re a vineyard owner yourself aren’t you,” the critic asked Mr Key. “I am,” replied Mr Key. “I have a little bit of a pinot noir and chardonnay-producing vineyard here in Otago, and it’s been doing very well. It’s successful. It’s been exporting some wines, and it’s a lot of fun.”

Read more: http://www.3news.co.nz/PMs-stake-in-Otago-vineyard-revealed/tabid/419/articleID/157722/Default.aspx#ixzz2bWChEnJF
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August 10, 2013 11:42am
dime

God some teachers are low rent pieces of garbage.

One teacher was overpaid 36 grand by novo pay and hasn’t paid it back yet. That is just criminal IMHO. A bunch of others still owe money and are paying it back at a couple of bucks a week. Just trash.

Wait for the normal “what about the others that were underpaid?”. Different issue. Some asshole got an extra 36 grand, didn’t tell anyone and hasn’t paid it back. Shocking.
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August 10, 2013 11:53am
Kea

Arctic Sea Ice Extent is 988,000 sq km Higher Than 2012 on Day 220
August 8th was day 220. Arctic Sea Ice Extent is 988,000 sq km Higher Than 2012. Some cult is weeping …

http://sunshinehours.wordpress.com/

And when a bit breaks off (in the summer) Griff will be on here screaming it is the end of the world 🙂
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August 10, 2013 11:55am
wf

That’s old news wikiriwhi.
Jeez!
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August 10, 2013 12:10pm
wikiriwhis business

CNBC Reports $43 Trillion Bankster Lawsuit

Not many people know about this story. It never broke mainstream news. The National Security Agency has power over the media and certain stories which are deemed a national security threat, such as this one, are squashed immediately.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1Yg2JQypdc&feature=share
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August 10, 2013 12:10pm
wikiriwhis business

“That’s old news wikiriwhi.”

OK, just read it today

I also have been told about SynFuel in Taranaki. So much natural gas we could have gone energy dependent.

Not so. The govt sells the gas to japan who in turn sell on to France who put the gas in BIC lighters and sell it back to us

Thanks Nat/Lab coalition
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August 10, 2013 12:20pm
Griff

And when a bit breaks off (in the summer) Griff will be on here screaming it is the end of the world

Arctic summer sea ice extent is declining at 14% per decade. The volume loss is even higher due to the melting of thicker multiple year ice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAMN3a6u91M

Griff has not mentioned the end of the world.
He has mentioned the end of organized human civilization. Business as usual will result in war famine and massive human migration by the end of the century.
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August 10, 2013 12:36pm
Fletch

The top Obama gaffs (not including the geography error on Leno the other night when he got the “gulf states” wrong, or the time when he called a corpsman a “corpse man” twice in a speech). Also not including “We’re the country that built the Intercontinental Railroad.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agiY1j7Ijg0

The guy who is supposed to be so elegant and articulate makes more gaffs than Bush or Palin.
To see what he is like without a teleprompter to help, check out the video starting at 3:50 in.
It is painful. *duh*
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August 10, 2013 12:44pm
Kea

Fletch the ignorant violent warmonger Obama is only articulate when he has someone else write it down for him. Probably his Jewish masters.
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August 10, 2013 12:55pm
bereal

Dear wat dabney @11.02

Problem with that answer is, Jihad and killing Infidels (us) is what makes some muslims happy.

They are free to pursue their happiness, just someplace else.

You didn’t address the question, just accused the questioner of being a facist.
(a shallow tactic, not an answer.)

Can you address the question wat ?
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August 10, 2013 1:07pm
kowtow

Climate scam and forest fires.USA.

I am under the impression that in the evil bad old days before environmentalism became the state religion there used to be a program of controlled burns in forests etc.

That is because prior to the implementation of the Gaia state religion ,they understood that allowing a massive build up of litter on the forest floor year after year made for a seriously dangerous potential for even bigger fires should the forest go up.

I suspect the bigger more devastating fires (if indeed that is the case) is actually a case of poor management of the environment rather than AGW.

Poor management brought about by government agencies afraid to stand up to the fundamentalist extremists of the Gaia cult.
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August 10, 2013 1:08pm
wikiriwhis business

“I’m standing for Dunedin City Council.”

Dunedin will have 5 years to go at the very most
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August 10, 2013 1:12pm
Pete George

@wikiriwhis business at 11:24 am

Nigel Farage on “wholesale, violent revolution” in Europe

When people have hope, they protest.

When people lose hope, they riot.

Closer to home:

Time to revolt, Peters says

Southerners should draw on their Scottish heritage and ”start a political revolt” against an economic system that hurts the local economy, New Zealand First leader Winston Peters told an audience in Dunedin last night.

”When are you going to start the revolt?” he asked the more than 50 people who attended the speech, at Age Concern Otago.

He blamed free market economics adhered to by ”dumb people in Wellington” for job cuts at numerous Government-owned entities in the South.

Talking to an Age Concern audience. About revolting. I wonder how that would work out.
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August 10, 2013 1:14pm
Kea

bereal, last time I checked it was American troops and drones in Muslim countries, not the other way around. Of course most of those murdered are not enemies of the USA but are enemies of Israel. America is on a global crusade to eliminate anyone who may oppose Israel. In addition the government takes hundreds of billions from the American people and gives it as a gift to the rich country of Israel. Why ? … America has the worlds biggest Jewish population, that is why. And that is why we are fed this whole war-on-terror bullshit.

It is remarkable to think all this is happening because one religion demanded a country, on land already occupied by others, on the basis they were the chosen favouriites of a violent sadistic jealous mythical being, that they invented !

Open your eyes and see just how absurd that is.
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August 10, 2013 1:17pm
Pete George

Forgot the link: http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/268232/time-revolt-peters-says
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August 10, 2013 1:20pm
Reid

Americans believe the lies, because that is what they think patriotism requires.

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2013/08/06/washington-thinks-you-are-stupid-paul-craig-roberts/

Americans aren’t the only ones who believe Washington’s lies and those people appear to believe it for exactly the same reason. They just can’t seem to bring themselves to recognise the objective truth that for decade after decade Washington’s politicians on both sides have consistently acted against the best interests of their people. Instead those people hallucinate that the US is still the world leader in democracy and fweedom despite the counter-productive foreign policies which generate terrorists PLUS despite the domestic policies which have created a police state just waiting to swing into action and a hollowed out economy which sees huge unemployment with no end in sight and a crumbling infrastructure. I mean what the heck is wrong with such people? What about reality don’t they understand? Are they children? Do they not want to look at the bad news because it would upset their understanding of how the world REALLY works and force them to recalculate? Is THAT why they continue to DENY the increasingly obvious and undeniable clear and present reality?

Beats me. All I know is, I’m sure glad I’m not one of them.
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August 10, 2013 1:31pm
Longknives

Fuck Islam.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2387651/Zanzibar-acid-attack-British-teenagers-Kate-Gee-Kirstie-Trup-injured-return-home-today.html
I’d like to wipe my ass with their beloved ‘Koran’.
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August 10, 2013 1:34pm
Griff

😆
The decline since the twenty’s is due to better management of fire risk.
The increase over the last ten years is due to very large fires quickly overwhelming the fire fighters.Since 2000, the forest service has almost doubled its spending on fighting fires from $540m to $1bn last year.
The government agency’s involved blame it on climate change.
I much prefer to take the experts word than yours.

WASHINGTON – Climate change, and the consistently hotter and drier weather that comes with it, is largely the cause of the recent “sharp increase” in the number and intensity of wildfires, NASA officials said Friday.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/fires/main/index.html#.UgWZCqzoPFx
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August 10, 2013 1:37pm
Pete George

Key getting radical – on something minor, but still…

John Key says referendum on changing the NZ flag could run alongside next year’s election.

It’s about time someone showed some leadership on replacing our outdated ant out-used official flag.
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August 10, 2013 1:41pm
Longknives

Why change the flag Pete?
What the hell is wrong with it?
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August 10, 2013 1:43pm
Kea

Griff, the warming you are referring to has a name. It is called Summer. Do not be alarmed, another freezing winter is on it’s way. I wonder if this years cold will be as shocking as last years, with record lows across Europe and the US.
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August 10, 2013 1:47pm
Reid

What the hell is wrong with it?

It’s not fair, reasonable and sensible enough, Longknives.
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August 10, 2013 1:48pm
Pete George

What’s going on? You’re supposed to like what I say. The KB political expert said just this morning:

That’s why you’ll be quite happy to tell people exactly what they want to hear irrespective of its merits.

Old flag bad. Boring, too much like England’s and Australia’s.

New flag good. Distinctive, and it’s the overwhelming flag of choice.

That’s exactly what you want to hear.
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August 10, 2013 1:58pm
nasska

You’re fighting a losing battle Griff so here’s a bit of help. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/yd4q1ldxb9dtjcv/PaperClipMan.jpg
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August 10, 2013 2:02pm
dime

“It’s about time someone showed some leadership on replacing our outdated ant out-used official flag.”

put that on your election poster!

hang em up outside the rsa. youll go well.

maybe you can explain how ww2 veterans were bad dads because they put their families second. youre a shoe in.
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August 10, 2013 2:04pm
nickb

maybe you can explain how ww2 veterans were bad dads because they put their families second. youre a shoe in.

Don’t forget how Kiwi males are part of a rape culture dime. That is sure to go down well with the good people of Dunedin.
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August 10, 2013 2:10pm
graham

Actually, I hope that Pete DOES have the guts to be honest during his election campaign and – for once – say plainly what his position is on issues, rather than answering questions with a question.

I personally want to retain our current flag, but have no problem with there being a discussion around it. It’s a bit sad to see that someone who states “My first priority is listening to the people” is obviously approaching this particular issue with a closed mind, but at least if he states his position clearly the good people of Dunedin will know what they’re letting themselves in for.
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August 10, 2013 2:21pm
Griff

If it looks like facts are going to question your climate denial

Reintroduce a long debunked claim.

Totally ignore the growing body of scientific papers that echo the original hockey stick research.

Instead base your reality on unfounded allegations and idiot conspiracy theory’s.
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August 10, 2013 2:23pm
lilman

Dunne is a joke and any person who using him as part of his political doctrine seems to not want to be elected.
Dunne literally should be,DONE.
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August 10, 2013 2:23pm
Kea

Pete George thinks opposing rape is a novel idea !

He should run with that and announce himself as the one kiwi who is actually against rape. Unlike all those loving dads, sons, brothers etc who are all for rape and reckon it is a big laugh… according to PG that is.
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August 10, 2013 2:25pm
nickb

I just hope that given he has now come clean to running for political office (don’t like the prospects of winning the 2014 Dunedin North seat under the UF banner?) that he stops being so precious and suggesting people are out to get him out of spite.

Some people are opposing you on this blog because your beliefs and policies are shite, Pete, not out of misguided spite or ulterior motives as you have often stated. And before you reply with a hysterical tirade, I suggest you familiarise yourself with Lange v Atkinson and reflect on your position as a political candidate.
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August 10, 2013 2:25pm
Don the Kiwi

Kea is gearing up to introduce religion to the debate, starting……5…4…3
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August 10, 2013 2:27pm
MT_Tinman

So it’s now “Penny George”?
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August 10, 2013 2:27pm
Pete George

graham, you’re confusing a personal opinion on a national issue with local politics, and confusing direct democracy with representative democracy.

A national referendum allows everyone to participate themselves. It’s got nothing to do with city councilors apart from them being able to have a vote like everyone else.
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August 10, 2013 2:29pm
Lucia Maria

“Jewish masters”, huh, Kea? Interesting turn of phrase there.

America is on a global crusade to eliminate anyone who may oppose Israel.

They would have wiped out the Palestinian Territories if that were the case, given that the Palestinians have in their constitution the stated aim to destroy Israel. You talk like a anti-Semitic propagandist.
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August 10, 2013 2:31pm
Kea

Don, it is not atheists who introduce religion. Theists must introduce god, as no god exists, outside of the imagination.
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August 10, 2013 2:36pm
Pete George

I would suggest you reflect on your own actions here nick, but I think that would be a waste of time.

Most people here can have a ding dong one day and agree the next, depending on the topic. The few that target obsessively stand out. I don’t think it’s spite.
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August 10, 2013 2:44pm
nickb

I would suggest you reflect on your own actions here nick, but I think that would be a waste of time.

As I have explained to you, I am not the one running for political office. I suggest you develop a thick skin quickly if you intend to make a real go of this. Especially given some of your policies outlined above – it is only obvious that you will come into criticism. If you can’t handle criticism of some of your comments and policies then maybe you should stick to lawn bowls.
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August 10, 2013 2:47pm
dime

nick – pg is never wrong. you didnt know that? everyone else is obsessed but him.

personally, im waiting for his 476th gscb post. the first 475 were amazing reading
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August 10, 2013 2:49pm
Pete George

FFS nick, you can be a dick sometimes. I can’t handle criticism? How long have I been commenting here, getting a bit of criticism? Knowing there’s a handful of trolls who do little but criticise? On other blogs and forums?

I put my identity out here, and what I do out here, knowing there are jerks like you who are intent on trying to take people down while hiding behind anonymity.

It’s because I can handle criticism that pisses people like you off. How many ways have you tried?
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August 10, 2013 3:00pm
dime

lol hey PG, why dont you call us “wreckers and haters”
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August 10, 2013 3:03pm
graham

Pete at 2:29 – In one respect you’re correct, for which I apologise. I am but a simple soul. However, simply because John Key mentions a referendum on the flag does not mean that is how it will happen.
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August 10, 2013 3:03pm
Kea

You talk like a anti-Semitic propagandist.

Lucy, why do you remain silent when daily we see anti-Muslim statements all over KB ? Why does everyone get all precious when the target is jews ? Open your eyes. It is Muslims being bombed and shot, their countries invaded and occupied, not Jews. It is the Jews, who got given a country on the basis of their religion. It is a simple fact. A Jew who’s family has lived in Russia/England/German/American for generations can lay claim to Israel, while people who have lived there for centuries can not, because of their religion. Many different people have lived there for hundreds of years together and could have continued to do so.

However it is done now and I support Israel, though the West should distance its self from Israel and let them fight their own wars. There is nothing special about the Jewish religion and they have suffered no more than many other people. They are owed no special consideration or treatment and the world does not owe them a favour. Americans have enough problems of their own without billions of dollars being given to Israel and trillions more being spent on wars attacking countries unsympathetic to Israel. The security of the entire planet is under threat because of Israel and it is not good enough.
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August 10, 2013 3:05pm
nickb

intent on trying to take people down while hiding behind anonymity.

Take people down? Lol. You certainly have the ego for politics.

I can assure you I don’t have the time or energy to attempt to “take down” someone standing for the lofty position of city councillor of Dunedin. But there you go again, proving my point. Being exceedingly precious, which doesn’t engender you to a political career, I would have thought.

I don’t have anything against you personally at all. I just think your policies are shite and you have a somewhat skewed moral compass as you showed over the Peter Dunne resignation saga. Neither of which make you a political candidate I would support. In saying that, all power to you and you are doing a brave thing, and in spite of everything I genuinely wish you well. It is something I would never have the fortitude to attempt.
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August 10, 2013 3:11pm
Fletch

Kea, I don’t think statements on KB are anti-Muslim.
I think they are critical of Muslims and Islam, with good reason, and most of the media ignores or whitewashes it.
But pop along to jihadwatch.com and see what Muslims do every day – Christians in Arab lands are attacked every day for no good reason.

Israel, on the other hand, are criticised no matter what they do. If one of the Arab countries attacked Israel today, and Israel fought back, it would be Israel that would be criticised.
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August 10, 2013 3:59pm
Fletch

Interesting video of a group doing an experiment to see how easy it is to stage and photograph protesters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYbW_ukhfjQ
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August 10, 2013 4:01pm
bereal

Now here we have a very, very stupid cow.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9026927/Cancer-free-after-court-ordered-treatment

You will love the quote from this moronic cow…”A few of us have educated ourselves…”

Thank sweet Jesus it is only. ‘ a few’

i suspect that in a case like this ‘ a few’ means one, her.
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August 10, 2013 4:08pm
Kea

Fletch, I really do not care about people being critical of Islam. They should be held accountable the same as anyone else, including Jews.

My problem is people like you who demand that Israel and Jews never be criticised or held to account. My statements were factual, yet the response is to scream “anti-semite” to shut down debate. And so what if some one is actually an anit semite ? It is no worse than being anti Muslim or anti Christian. The jews are nothing special, in spite of them arrogantly demanding special treatment.

I wonder how people would respond if I posted comments demanding the death and destruction of the jews on a daily basis, as we see with Muslims ? If I commented daily about the Jewish-problem ?, as we see with Muslims.

If the jews don’t like the country they were given they can piss off back to Europe where they came from and give it back to the people who own it.
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August 10, 2013 4:11pm
Fletch

Kea, but there is no Jewish problem. And there would be no criticism of Muslims if they, you know, stopped killing people.
I’m not saying all Muslims are bad – far from it – but it would be nice if they condemned the Islamists blowing themselves and other stuff up. But you don’t hear a peep from them.
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August 10, 2013 4:16pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers!

Give the PM and MPs who are currently supporting the GCSB Bill a message they CANNOT ignore 🙂

http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz/?p=234

Penny Bright

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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August 10, 2013 4:26pm
Kea

Fletch, There are millions of people who think there is a jewish problem and you can not simply demand them to shut up. Maybe if the Muslims got given every thing they ask for, had America fight their wars, and got given billions of dollars by America, they might be more friendly ?

Don’t forget I am an atheist. I speak as I find and I do not care about religion. I make anti-christian comments almost daily and get as good as I give. But if anybody makes any comments critical of the jewish faith, people have a melt down and DPF starts handing out demerits !

There are plenty of jews critical of the establishment of Israel as a physical place, for both religious and human rights reasons. Nothing about my views is extreme. You need to get it through your head that they are not gods chosen people and stop demanding everyone grovels to them based on your superstitions.
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