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Manolo

Will the comrades give it up? Will the feminists, supported by the Rainbow faction, prevail?
http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/politics/8894162/Man-ban-hot-topic-today
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July 9, 2013 8:03am
Keeping Stock

Quite so Manolo; wouldn’t it be great to be on the inside of Labour’s caucus room today to witness the bloodletting.

And is there any truth to the rumour that the office suite of the Leader of the Opposition has been closed until further notice while contractors deal with a nasty infestation of white ants?

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/07/oh-to-be-fly-on-wall.html
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July 9, 2013 8:09am
Pete George

From Man Ban to Bleeder Leader – a minor party gender issue was blown up into a long running saga, but it’s apparent that it is now becoming a story about the mortal wounding of Shearer’s leadership.
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July 9, 2013 8:13am
Pete George

A remarkable admission or a major fobbing off – Parliamentary Services told Felix Marwick that they don’t keep any record of when they access security spy data.

Whether you agree with them dishing out movement data on journalists and MPs or not surely a basic requirement is that they record who accesses and dishes out what data.

No records kept on Parliamentary spy data access!
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July 9, 2013 8:16am
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8893299/Costs-of-imported-goods-set-to-soar

Awesome. So people spend less on shit and our farmers do a bit better.
Win win for the govt and a big fu*k you to Wussell Norman 🙂
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July 9, 2013 8:18am
Harriet

Labour long ago was taken over by Big Porn:

homos, abortionists, lesbians, child sex educators, no-fault divorce advocates, vibrator weilding feminists, metrosexuals like Shearer – just about any useful idiot – who wanted to take the shame out of perverse sexual acts, sexual diseases and slut like behaviour. National is going down the same unisex toilet.

Well they made their beds – and they can both get fucked in them! 😎
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July 9, 2013 8:24am
Pete George

Shearer has already looked to be on borrowed time as Labour’s leader. He has failed to fire.

But his slow and soft reaction to the man ban issue – and criticism of him for letting it become an issue in the fist place – has raisd major questions about his lack of leadership.

The ‘man ban’ issue has become a focus on a bleeder leader. Shearer looks to be mortally wounded.

It’s possible Shearer may have grown into a competent leader if he had the backing of a united party and sufficient assistance to compensate for his lack of experience in politics.

But instead the combination of an unlikely leader and a dysfunctional factional party loaded with selfish has beens must surely reach it’s inevitable conclusion soon.

The Labour Party looks to be in a bloody mess. Waiting until they have 50% female MPs may be far too late to rescue it.

Unles Labour comes up with a new leader who surprises everyone with their currently hidden ability, and unless the Labour transforms into a team with the good of the party and the country paramount, then the blood will simply switch to a different carcass.

From ‘man ban’ to bleeder leader
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July 9, 2013 8:57am
kowtow

This “man ban” beat up should open eyes to how far and pernicious the ridiculous womens rights issue has taken us on our glorious road to “equality”.

I think it’s hilarious that avowedly progressive commentators are using a “progressive” tool to beat Labour with when they have supported even more ludicrous issues such as marriage equality.

And National themselves want more women in key positions,why?To show how “progressive and diverse ” they are?

They’re all cut from the same cloth.
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July 9, 2013 9:01am
Colville

PG, please zip it (sweetie) about the dear Mr Shearer.
He is our greatest asset, our agent in place, the gift that keeps on giving. 🙂

… but that said… they dont have anyone better waiting in the wings!
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July 9, 2013 9:07am
liarbors a joke

Love it when you talk dirty Harriet
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July 9, 2013 9:08am
hj

Discussion following the Economist article on Land Taxes (something National -and the despicable Peter Dunne are against).
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21580130-governments-should-make-more-use-property-taxes-levying-land
http://www.planetizen.com/node/64011
DPF likes land taxes.
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July 9, 2013 9:14am
Kea

Here is another one for the “Rape Statistics”

Rape claim made for ‘revenge’

She had caused the injuries to her body herself when they argued and she “lost it”.

… she lied to police because she wanted revenge. She had plenty of time to concoct the story of what happened.

This will be counted for statistical purposes as a “rape” and by feminists groups in their on going push to lower the standards of evidence, to guilty by accusation. They continually bemoan the lack of convictions, but include false complaints in their figures.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8893464/Rape-claim-made-for-revenge
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July 9, 2013 9:17am
iMP

I genuinely cannot believe this is happening in America (Arizona). A pastor arrested for running a bible study at his home.

• 60 days in jail
• $12,000 fine

Is America still the Land of the Free? What happened to the Constitution?

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/can-this-actually-be-true/
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July 9, 2013 9:18am
Manolo

DPF likes land taxes.

Clarification required: DPF likes ~~land~~ taxes promoted by the National Party.
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July 9, 2013 9:18am
dime

Kea – is she going to jail? because she should.
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July 9, 2013 9:19am
MT_Tinman

More to the point Kea, why are we taxpayers paying for this trial to proceed?
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July 9, 2013 9:20am
dime

Dime is really enjoying the sacking of Deans. He was garbage from the start. A 58% winning record. I think I could coach the Wallabies to that.

The downside, he comes home, coaches a super rugby team to the semis and the cantabs demand he becomes all blacks coach.. he gets the job, drops most of our experienced players and we become mediocre. urgh.
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July 9, 2013 9:22am
Pete George

This will be counted for statistical purposes as a “rape”

What do you base that claim on? It seems far more obvious that it wouldn’t be counted as a rape if it wasn’t rape.
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July 9, 2013 9:22am
RF

Shearer is in trouble and being shielded by his party faithful. I believe he is about to be handed the silver tray carrying the revolver and told to go into the library to consider his future.
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July 9, 2013 9:23am
hj

What the “man ban” overlooks is the primacy of ideas versus personnel. We need a women’s voice for women’s issues but women’s issues aren’t 50% of politics. The “man ban” is an attempt to select the right people as the Greens are doing with “te tiritti”. Chris Trotter describes the left’s adoption of “te tiritti” as “the litmus test of authentic revolutionary praxis”
http://bowalleyroad.blogspot.co.nz/2010/05/taking-greens-seriously.html
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July 9, 2013 9:23am
MT_Tinman

Dime, who the fuck would he coach?

Certainly not the Good Guys, they have a coach.

The Dunedin hillbillies?

Why would Good Guy supporters want the hillbillies coach as the Otara Golbetrotters (All Blacks they ain’t!) coach?
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July 9, 2013 9:25am
Kea

Pete George, yes false complaints and ones not upheld (after a trial) are used to inflate rape statistics. The people you have aligned yourself with go one step further and want the standards of evidence lowered to convict more men. When a man is found, not guilty, they assume guilt anyway and use it as evidence of a “rape culture”.

Given that we agree rape is a serious allegation, what penalty do you think the lying bitch should get for trying to destroy that mans life ?
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July 9, 2013 9:29am
hj

RF (839) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 9:23 am
Shearer is in trouble and being shielded by his party faithful.
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the labour party is split between those who hang out in university common rooms and druel over the words of stubble chinned Professor Paul Spoonely (the doyen of multi culturalism and mass migration) and those who live and experience a real (versus theoretical world)… down where the crush is felt.
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July 9, 2013 9:32am
Kea

“MT_Tinman (2,329) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 9:20 am
More to the point Kea, why are we taxpayers paying for this trial to proceed?”

Because the prosecution is still trying to portray her as a “victim”. She should have been dragged from the Court and thrown in the cells right there and then.

There should be mandatory sentencing [for false complaints] of the maximum penalty available had the charges been proved against the accused. On top of that, an additional penalty reflecting the seriousness of rape. Any charges not upheld in Court, should be assumed to be falsely laid.

That should dramatically improve our bullshit rape statistics overnight.
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July 9, 2013 9:37am
Pete George

@Kea

Pete George, yes false complaints and ones not upheld (after a trial) are used to inflate rape statistics.

Can you give details to back this up?

If you can’t substantiate that claim with any facts I’ll assume you are just making shit up again, something you have frequently been found to do.

The people you have aligned yourself…

Like that, totally unfounded bull.
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July 9, 2013 9:40am
hj

Nestled amid the rolling mountains, deep within the Larung Gar Valley, thousands of tiny wooden homes form one of the world’s largest Buddhist institutes.

The remote but sprawling settlement is found at elevations of 12,500ft and is home to over 40,000 monks, nuns and religious students.

It is located in the Larung Valley, Serthar County of Garze Tibetan Autonomous Prefecture, in China.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2349761/Little-boxes-hillside–home-40-000-Buddhist-monks-The-stunning-makeshift-town-sprung-Tibetan-monastery.html#ixzz2YUckbmzp
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July 9, 2013 9:45am
Pete George

Given that we agree rape is a serious allegation, what penalty do you think…

I don’t know much about the facts of the case, nor do I know anything about what sentences are available, nor precedents in sentencing, so I don’t know.

But my starting point would be that her sentence should be in the same vicinity as for the crime she alleged. A false claim of rape must be potentially as damaging to someone as a rape. The only difference (that may need to be accounted for) is that no physical assault is involved.
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July 9, 2013 9:46am
MT_Tinman

Kea, I disagree.

The story states she withdrew her complaint not long after she made it.

It is not her (at this time) that should be dragged from the court and incarcerated but the pigs who have forced the matter to go to trial at our expense.

Those bastards are stealing our money!

The defendant may be (probably is) scum of the earth but they should get him on a proper charge, not a made-up one.
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July 9, 2013 9:48am
Pete George

It’s ironic that Kea makes such a point about a false accusation while being well known for making false accusations here on KB – and doesn’t withdraw them even when proven wrong.

A number of people have pointed out unsubstantiated and false claims made by Kea.
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July 9, 2013 9:49am
hj

Later this year, Americans will get their first chance to experience what a really advanced diesel is like—and why Europeans opt for diesels over hybrids, plug-in electrics and even petrol-powered cars. The leader of the new pack is the Mazda 6, completely redesigned for 2014, with the choice of either a 2.5-litre four-cylinder petrol engine or a 2.2-litre turbo-charged diesel. The diesel has 30% better fuel economy and provides oodles more pulling power. Good as the petrol version is, motorists who choose it over the diesel will miss out on a lot.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/babbage/2013/07/diesels?fsrc=nlw|newe|7-8-2013|6081501|37425103|AP
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July 9, 2013 9:50am
dime

Imagine doing an 8 year stretch because some chick accused you of rape.

8 years.

You have to sell your house. You lose your job. You lose everything.

She goes on living her life, making some other poor bastards life hell.

Even if she recants and you get out after 3 years, what happens to her? nothing. That would stop other women from doing the same blah blah

Outside of committing a major crime, im not sure someone could commit a lower act.
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July 9, 2013 9:50am
meh

WTF the herald are trying to paint that loser who was shot yesterday as some sort of misunderstood nice guy.. “just wanted to say goodbye”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10895647
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July 9, 2013 10:04am
Kea

Pete George, it seems you have not taken proper care to find out just what it is you have so vocally supported here on KB. Making personal attacks on me will not change the wrongs of the anti male hate groups you have aligned yourself with so openly. Just as that pompous self righteous prick Owen Glenn has.

There is no way any fair and just minded person would lend support to such vile and destructive people. Your grovelling to hard line feminists disgusts me and I wonder how you live with yourself.
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July 9, 2013 10:05am
graham

Umm … while reading PG’s brief blurb above does make it clear he thinks it’s the Labour party that’s bleeding …

… talking about Shearer as a “bleeder leader” in a post that looks to be talking about getting more women into the ranks of Labour … possibly not the best choice of phrase!
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July 9, 2013 10:06am
Kea

Outside of committing a major crime, im not sure someone could commit a lower act.

dime, not here in NZ.

The people who should be prosecuting her will try and portray her as a “victim”. The NZ justice system is there to punish men, not women. Women get very very different outcomes, given similar facts, in NZ Courts. People who deny that are either ignorant or lying to you.

Cue some wanker saying I am all bitter and twisted because…. blah blah blah. Well the reality is I have never been involved with the Courts as a defendant or accused of any crime. Ever. But I have seen hundreds who have and it makes me angry to see how men are treated by out joke of a justice system. It is nothing more than institutionalised misandry.
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July 9, 2013 10:12am
RF

hj 9.32am. Shearer is a “little boy lost” and completely out of his depth. He does not sit well within the two groups you describe and is the odd man out. He will not be contesting the election next year and only has a few months grace as there are too many in Labour who are running scared concerning his inability to be a decisive PM in waiting.
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July 9, 2013 10:13am
Pete George

Kea, I find it easy to live with myself – things are quite different to the ongoing false accusations you keep making about me.

You’re the one who keeps making personal attacks. The only thing that changes is your target of the day.
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July 9, 2013 10:13am
Longknives

Kea- The lying cow should be named, shamed and charged.
I have told the story on Kiwiblog before about my friend who had his life shattered by a false ‘rape’ allegation.
The guy has never recovered from what he describes as a “Stigma that follows you forever”
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July 9, 2013 11:31am
Kea

Longknives, some people just don’t get it. Punishing innocent men does nothing to prevent rape and diminishes the wrong suffered by real victims. I am not soft on rape or anti women, I am just hard on justice and fair treatment. Some people are too busy grinding their axes to see that.

I could soften my message a bit, but I think, why should I ? The most extreme views of anti male feminists are given voice in the msm, so why should I, dress-it-up, on a private blog ?
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July 9, 2013 11:42am
Kea

Kea, I find it easy to live with myself

PG, I guess that is one of the benefits of having no conscience and a moral compass that swings according to what [you think] will appeal to popular sentiment.
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July 9, 2013 11:47am
Judith

Pete George (18,233) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 9:22 am
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Rape statistics are taken from convictions for rape. Should those convictions be overturned, then they are removed from the statistics.

However, there are some community groups who construct their statistics using ‘reported’ rapes, (not just those reported to police, but can be to hospitals, doctors etc) It is believed that some rapes do not get reported to the police for a variety of reasons.

Therefore, whilst the official statistics will not be effected by this case, it is possible that unofficial stats will still involve the incident.

Regarding the woman. She has defamed someone, wasted police time, and if signed a statement, perjured herself. I hope charges have been laid, or at least are pending.
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July 9, 2013 11:48am
Colville

The ARU quoted Deans as stating: “I wish to take this opportunity to thank everyone involved in Australian Rugby for their support through the duration of my tenure,” he said.

Now that is funny~!
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July 9, 2013 11:55am
Fletch

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this (I didn’t read the whole GD thread yesterday), but it was in the Herald yesterday.

The Government has proposed cutting $10 million in funding for climate change research in a move described as disheartening for New Zealand’s highly capable climate scientists.

Treasury documents showed that Primary Industries Minister Nathan Guy has recommended scaling back funding for Climate Change Research Grants by $2 million in the next financial year, $3.75 million in 2014/15 and $4.25 million in 2015/16.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10895428

At least it is a start.
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July 9, 2013 11:56am
meh

I must be missing something, why would the government pay the pike river families compensation?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8894860/Government-compo-for-Pike-families-not-that-simple-Key
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July 9, 2013 11:59am
Redbaiter

“PG, I guess that is one of the benefits of having no conscience and a moral compass”

How about you two equally repugnant progs take it to email?
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July 9, 2013 12:01pm
Pete George

Thanks Judith, that’s how I expected it would be. I was wanting to see if Kea would back up his claims. As usual, no, Kea is like Redbaiter and just abuses anyone who questions them and makes more baseless accusations.
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July 9, 2013 12:04pm
Viking2

Colville (947) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 8:18 am

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8893299/Costs-of-imported-goods-set-to-soar

Awesome. So people spend less on shit and our farmers do a bit better.
Win win for the govt and a big fu*k you to Wussell Norman 🙂

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Watch and see what it does for house prices.
Approximately 80%of the cost of a house these days is either imported or the cost is relative to international prices. So, house build inflation will zoom away as will house prices.
What we have currently have has not kept pace with long term price adjustments to housing. Long term property prices rise per 7-10 years by 12.5% a year. Been going on for centuries. So buy now.
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July 9, 2013 12:34pm
Urban Redneck

This is not your grandmother’s Labour Party . . . duh !

Former student politicians from upper-class upbringings, radical feminists, militant homosexual activists, and not a single cloth capped workingman type among the lot of them.
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July 9, 2013 12:38pm
Scott Chris

Well there’s a possibility the woman was actually raped, but as often happens in cases of domestic abuse, the abused party withdraws the complaint for what ever reason.

Fact is, she withdrew the complaint a month later, but the police still chose to prosecute. Why?
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July 9, 2013 12:44pm
Judith

Scott Chris (5,023) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 12:44 pm
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There are many reasons why complaints are withdrawn. Sometime the woman does not want to go through the arduous legal process, some times they have obviously lied, other times they just want to get on with life, and forget about it, and of course, sometimes it is due to threat or fear that they withdraw their claim.

The fact the police are pursuing the case means there must be evidence that indicates they have reason to suspect a crime was committed. Without knowing more about the circumstances, its anyone’s guess what that evidence might be.
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July 9, 2013 12:49pm
thedavincimode

How about you two equally repugnant progs take it to email?

Still tired and grumpy after a long night Russell? I must say, your “working ” outfit is quite cunning. The squid lure look to target squid fishermen shows a lot of thought: Russell goes all out to attract the punters.
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July 9, 2013 12:52pm
artemisia

Re false rape / assault claims. There is also the possibility that the rape / assault did in fact take place as in the original complaint. But that in an unbalanced power relationship the complainant recants to prevent the other party going to jail for a long time. And takes on a lighter sentence instead, or maybe no sentence if a convincing victim. We are unlikely to ever know the specific dynamics of this case, except that there will be a victim here one way or the other.
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July 9, 2013 12:53pm
nickb

What a sorry joke our “democracy” is. At a time when sunlight should be shining brightly on our government’s illegal spying on its citizens and a minor party leader’s disgraceful rorting and leaking of confidential files, the attention is on extra quotas for women in parliament .. god
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July 9, 2013 1:03pm
Longknives

“Well there’s a possibility the woman was actually raped,”

Aah the old ‘Where there is smoke there is fire’ argument.
Why do people find it so bloody hard to believe that there are women out there who are are vindictive, nasty liars who make up stories?

In my friend’s ‘case’ the female complainant finally confessed to Police that she made it all up so her boyfriend wouldn’t get angry with her for cheating.
Even after this she was given ‘counselling’ and Victim Support from Police.
My friend on the other hand got nothing. No apology, no reimbursement of his legal bills (tens of thousands of dollars), no counselling (even after he tried to commit suicide)
To this day he has not been the same person. He even avoids his old friend’s weddings/birthdays etc as the shame/humiliation is still there..
Nasty,nasty business false complaints- An Elephant in the Room that is is not ‘Politically Correct’ to talk about….
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July 9, 2013 1:03pm
wreck1080

This is just too good. . .

“The Osama Bin Laden files: Leaked report shows how world’s most wanted man was able to hide in Pakistan – and how he was even stopped by traffic police who let him go”

It must have been a surreal moment.
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July 9, 2013 1:04pm
wikiriwhis business

CONGRATULATIONS! SB633 IS DEAD!!!
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July 9, 2013 1:10pm
wikiriwhis business

i litarized police gone wild across America; terrorizing citizens, shooting pet dogs, behaving…http://www.secretsofthefed.com/militarized-police-gone-wild-across-america-terrorizing-citizens-shooting-pet-dogs-behaving-like-occupying-military-force/20
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July 9, 2013 1:15pm
Judith

Longknives (2,666) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 1:03 pm
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Yes it does happen, and it is disgusting, because not only does it allow innocent people to be accused of crimes they did not commit, it also means that genuine rape victims get given a hard time – just because of the actions of some unscrupulous woman.

It is a dreadful ordeal for a man to go through, who is innocent, because mud sticks, and the system is mostly geared to offer support to victims, not false perpetrators.

I think it is a matter of finding balance. Rape does occur, all too frequently, just as false accusations are made too often as well. One should not be allowed to reflect on the other.
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July 9, 2013 1:17pm
fernglas

It is not unusual for complainants to recant after making a complaint. Sometimes it is because the complaint was false, sometimes because the accused or his family have put pressure on to withdraw a genuine complaint. Before proceeding as far as a trial the Crown and Police will have considered very carefully whether the recantation might be genuine, and if there is doubt they will not proceed. If, however, the recantation seems to have been coerced and there is other independent evidence to support the allegation, the public interest will require the trial to proceed, regardless of what the complainant may say. She may say in evidence that the complaint was false; if there is enough other evidence the jury may nevertheless find that the accused is guilty. There’s always a lot more to these cases than 3 paragraphs on Stuff.
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July 9, 2013 1:19pm
Longknives

My God- I just gave Judith a ‘thumbs up’!
I’m so confused. I think I need a drink…
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July 9, 2013 1:21pm
Judith

Longknives (2,667) Says:
July 9th, 2013 at 1:21 pm
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Not half as much as I need one, knowing it came from you 😛

But all joking aside, I have seen false accusations destroy marriages, families and lives. Unfortunately they have become a tool in marriage separations, where one party does not want another to see the children as well. These things have devastating consequences that reach beyond the term of any prison sentence. The stigma lasts forever, regardless if found guilty or not.
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July 9, 2013 1:23pm
Tom Jackson

Scott Watson’s plea for mercy denied.

That case stank even worse than the Bain case.
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July 9, 2013 1:40pm
Paulus

On the Pike River trial and the judges comments that somebody has got to pay.
Watching this case and her summation on TV I was appalled that this judge obviously was totally biased and emotional.
She should have stood herself down at least, as she obviously could not mentally or physically cope.

Her comments, supported by the Herald, and the Labour caucus, today support that the taxpayer should pay are a disgrace also.
It has been supported that the Directors and the Shareholders should pay her judgement.

Let’s assume that a company in which your Kiwisaver has a share collapses, will you support paying your share of the judgement ?

Thought not – stupid judgement. Needs to be appealed, but that would only cost more money which is not available.
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July 9, 2013 1:57pm
Kea

Even after this she was given ‘counselling’ and Victim Support from Police.
My friend on the other hand got nothing. No apology, no reimbursement of his legal bills (tens of thousands of dollars), no counselling (even after he tried to commit suicide)

Yep, serious offending gets counselling. Women in Saudi Arabia have more equality under the law than men do in NZ.

I have seen a woman who attacked her husband in a way that required hospital treatment, smashed up his car and smashed up a motel. She was given “help” by the Judge. That same day he gave 300 hours community work & ordered $14.00 reparation, to a guy who got angry and hit a counter top with his fist (no damage), kicked a speaker (no damage) and pulled the fridge door so hard it caused $14.00 of damage to the handle. The Judge added it was very serious offending and told him he is going to prison if it happens again ! I saw all of this with my own eyes.
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July 9, 2013 2:31pm
iMP

How do we respond to the Gitmo force-feeding video?

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/09/disturbing-video-fighting-extremism/
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July 9, 2013 5:44pm
bhudson

It would seem that the people at Wikipedia don’t share Roger Brooking’s concerns.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8896869/Critic-claims-censorship-on-Collins-Wiki

And that Brooking had no evidence to back up his claims of persecution by member’s of Judith Collins’ office.

Speaking to Fairfax, Brooking admitted he had no proof but was concerned about the changes and the fact he had been banned from editing Wikipedia.

And,

Gadfium said Brooking was blocked from editing because of concerns about bias and because he was also operating anonymous accounts, something which is not allowed.

It’s no wonder Judith Collins remained silent.
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July 9, 2013 6:01pm
liarbors a joke

Mat McLean..TV1 news…does he give anyone else the shits …?
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July 9, 2013 6:07pm
liarbors a joke

2 grand a day plus expenses…rorted again

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8895213/Consents-Mr-Fixit-to-be-paid-2000-a-day
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July 9, 2013 6:43pm
nasska

The time had come & the Maori family had to put their grandfather
in a resthome. All the Maori Catholic facilities were
completely full so they had to place him in an Anglican home.

After he’d been a few weeks in the C of E facility, they came to
visit granddad.
“How do you like it here?” asks the grandson.
“It’s wonderful! Everyone here is so courteous &
respectful,” says granddad.

“We’re so happy for you. We were worried that this was
the wrong place for you. You know, since you are a little
different from the other residents.”

“Oh, no! Let me tell you about how wonderfully they treat us here,” granddad says with a big smile.

“There’s a musician in the next room — he’s 85 years old. He hasn’t
played the violin in 20 years & everyone still calls him
‘Maestro’!”

“There is a judge in here — he’s 95 years old. He hasn’t
been on the bench in 30 years & everyone still calls him
‘Your Honour’!”

“Then there’s a physician here — 90 years old. He hasn’t
been practising medicine for 25 years & everyone still
calls him ‘Doctor’!”

“And me……, I haven’t had sex for 35 years & they
still call me
‘The Fucking Maori’ !
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July 9, 2013 8:00pm
Colville

liarbors a joke (690) Says: @ 6.43.

$2K / day is cheaper than the CEO he replaced and he may actually get something done!

One thing is for sure he will be under a spotlight.
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July 9, 2013 8:34pm
Reid

$2K / day is cheaper than the CEO he replaced and he may actually get something done!

Performance improvement isn’t rocket science and you DO NOT NEED TO PAY QC rates to get a simple thing like a building consents process “improved.”

And the article says the plan is to pay this dude that rate every single day till the end of the year. No mention of how much his associates from his “40 employee” consultancy are going to be charging.

Someone is seriously fucked in the head if they think it costs that much and takes that long to get a consultant in to reduce cycle time whilst maintaining acceptable defect rates, whatever those defect rates happen to be set at. Like I say, IT’S NOT ROCKET SCIENCE AND IT DOESN’T TAKE QC RATES TO GET THE JOB DONE. Especially this particular job.

I smell a Fat Bastard in the background here, spreading his wisdom around the place as he is wont to do.
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July 9, 2013 8:41pm
graham

Headline at PG’s blog screams:

“Female MPs excluded from Question Time”

“Damn”, I thought, “what the hell has happened here?! The Speaker has managed to ban all females from Parliament? What’s going on?”

Read on, and I discover that it’s not quite that bad. Oh surprise. Turns out that there were simply no female Labour MPs asking questions in Parliament today. PG opines that this is “indicative of party whips (presumably) leaning more towards males, today at least.”

Or maybe it’s simply how the roster worked out Pete. Maybe the female MPs had important work to do in their electorates, or were otherwise engaged. Do you think that’s possible?

Pete, this beat-up of a headline really does you no favours. You appear to be trying desperately to manufacture something out of nothing.
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July 9, 2013 8:44pm
Colville

Reid?

WTF are QC rates?

$2K/day? around $200/hr? a medium level lawyer/engineer/surveyor charges that.
Including margin on material I have done wayyy better than that and not faced anything like the scrutiny this guy will be under.
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July 9, 2013 9:42pm
Left Right and Centre

liarbors a joke 6:07 pm Most of the fuckwits on TV ‘news’ give me the shits.

Exceptions for me are Peter Williams, Rachel Smalley…. who else do I think is any good at all? Struggling… John Campbell is an odd one for me. I really like him and yet he’s a totally unwatchable cretin.

You see the field reporters waving their arms around like retards. Where’s the orchestra mate? I don’t see one ya fuckin gimp. Does someone from on high actually tell them to wave their arms around to ‘add something’ to the pompous badly put-on vocal style?

There’s a young bloke that reads sport on TV3… and man to me he looks *weird*. If I watch him… it’s to stare at the oddness and then he becomes too much and I’ve got to get rid of him. I’m just realising now… he look a wee bit like Clive James. But Clive has a massive brain and is highly likeable…. so his mug doesn’t matter much.
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July 10, 2013 3:49am
Left Right and Centre

And Geoff Bryan. I’ve always liked him and his presenting style.
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