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July 3, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

General Debate 3 July 2013

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Pauleastbay

I spent the day working in the Tauranga CBD, spent most of it looking around for a mad person accusing members of the public of being commie progressive liars and smearers, never heard a thing, obviously the ” no shitting in your own nest ” rule applies.
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July 3, 2013 10:11pm
thedavincimode

Redbaiter (3,717) Says:
July 3rd, 2013 at 3:34 pm

I suggest you contact Thedavasalinemode or RRM or Narsekissa.

Redbaiter (3,717) Says:
July 3rd, 2013 at 9:11 pm

Not even here and the usual compulsive obsessives can’t stop talking about me.
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July 3, 2013 10:23pm
SPC

94% of countries had their warmest recorded decade 2001-2010.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23154073
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July 3, 2013 11:52pm
SPC

No davincimode – fragmentation of media means the financial viability of media is diminished and thus standards can only be maintained via a subsidy.

I realise that the right will seek to conflate this issue by calling it a subsidy of quality media to the poor (no more than schools and hospitals) by those who pay more in taxes, but an informed democracy is vital to the process.

I also realise nasska, that the objection to publicly sourced media (and schools) is that those who pay for this do not get to control what is taught to the poor about what is best for them.

However if one opposes the only means to maintain quality nationwide media, complaining about the decline in quality of the private media is petty and mundane inanity.
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July 4, 2013 12:05am
Pete George

@calendar girl

If the NZ public saw Key as arrogant and authoritarian, they wouldn’t give him a “preferred PM” rating in the high 50s. Political commentators who insist otherwise are seriously out of touch with ordinary people.

Polls reflect what people thought. They don’t reflect what people see and think now.

Polls will show when Key has lost public support, they won’t predict when that might happen.

If polled I would have said Key was my “preferred PM”. I still would. That doesn’t necessarily mean much except that he looks better then the alternatives – the competition is diabolical.

But lately on GCSB issues I think Key has looked arrogant and authoritarian – and at times he has also looked disinterested in taking any notice of what others think. I know that others have seen this too. Some of what he’s said gives me reason to reassess my opinion of him, I have some serious concerns.

When Key loses the public the polls will eventually show it, but by then it may be too late.
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July 4, 2013 6:24am
Viking2

Gadgets pay off for police
TOM PULLAR-STRECKER

Police say their $4.3m investment in iPads and iPhones is starting to pay dividends and should shave 30 minutes off the amount of time officers spend each day on unproductive tasks
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Ture and I have already seen more of them driving with cellphones glued to their ears. Just yesterday a dog car with the driver on the cellphone right in the middle of a busy intersection.

I rule for all is it not?
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July 4, 2013 6:47am
Pete George

V2 – he could have been reporting a sighting of a driver using a cellphone, the sooner they clamp down on things like that the less risk there will be on our roads.
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July 4, 2013 7:30am
Yoza

bhudson (3,865) Says:
July 3rd, 2013 at 9:15 pm

@Yoza,

Why yes I can. Have you not seen the poll results and the trends over recent months?

You are so full of shit. Provide a link to these polls then you gibbering imbecile.
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July 4, 2013 7:38am
bhudson

@Yoza,

You can let your fingers do the walking to the TV3, TVNZ, the Herald and Roy Morgan websites. (If you prefer, you could got Colmar- Brunton or Digipoll instead of TVNZ or the Herald.)

Aside from helping you to find the truth for yourself, it will also give your fingers a break from what would seem to be their most frequent occupation.

You will find on these polls that the trend is decline for Labour (in particular) and rise for National. Greens have been up and down but overall no better than static. Meanwhile JK remains hugely popular as PM.

All that while Labour-Greens have expended huge effort trying to turn the GCSB news into some sort of fame changer.

Clearly they have been unable to do so – the public simply don’t care about it.

The dangers when you assume, Yoza. (Although, bearing in mind Benny Hill’s wisdom on that, it is more “assu” in your case.)
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July 4, 2013 7:48am
Pete George

National has been up and down in the polls too, from low 40s to high 40s. And I think National are flattered in the polls, as is Key, because of Labour and Shearer being abysmal.
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July 4, 2013 7:54am
bhudson

@PG,

Roy Morgan seems to be up and like like the proverbial, but the trend is clear – National held ground and has been picking up. The Left are declining (biggest losses to Labour.)

All the while there was apparently supper important GCSB stuff going on – clearly the public don’t see it the way politicos do.

Peter Dunne is merely perpetuating his misguided behavior of recent times by hitching his cart to this dead horse.
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July 4, 2013 8:21am
Pete George

There is no “picking up” trend if you look at the most regular polling at Roy Morgan – see the chart at http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/roy-morgan-new-zealand-poll-july-2-2013-201307020549

National’s poll fluctuations (40-49) are as much to do with NZ First and Labour support in particular at the time of the polling.
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July 4, 2013 9:08am
bhudson

National’s poll fluctuations (40-49) are as much to do with NZ First and Labour support in particular at the time of the polling.

@PG,

In those polls someone’s gain is always at someone else’s expense.

Your point is what exactly?
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July 4, 2013 10:31am
Yoza

bhudson (3,869) Says:
July 4th, 2013 at 7:48 am

“@Yoza,

You can let your fingers do the walking to the TV3, TVNZ, the Herald and Roy Morgan websites.”

This is why you are a complete tit, hudson. The obvious answer is ‘no’, you cannot produce a poll result which demonstrates the New Zealand public is not interested in the GCSB being able to spy on any form of electronic comminacation they use. You could come out and admit your mistake, but no, you attempt to conflate the popularity of political parties with the tenuously related topic of the GCSB.

“The dangers when you assume, Yoza. “

The assumption you make is that all those who would prefer a National government are comfortable with the GCSB, a condition I seriously doubt exists.

The main reason I am sure the public is opposed to the GCSBs ubiquitous spying is because when activists deflated the dome protecting the satellite dishes and the establishment attempted to convict them, the establishment could not assemble a jury that would hand down a guilty verdict. Pretty damning, really.

You really are a complete tit, hudson. 🙂
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July 4, 2013 12:49pm
bhudson

but no, you attempt to conflate the popularity of political parties with the tenuously related topic of the GCSB.

@Yoza,

You are blinded by what you want the public to think, not enlightened by what they actually do.

It is interesting that you claim that no issue in the news impacts polling results. But then I don’t actually think you are claiming that.

What you are trying to claim is that this particular issue can’t be because it isn’t providing the answer you think it should.

I could also state that you are a complete appendage too Yoza. And I am convinced that you are. Only about 18 inches lower.
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July 4, 2013 1:33pm
Kea

The main reason I am sure the public is opposed to the GCSBs ubiquitous spying is because when activists deflated the dome protecting the satellite dishes

Yoza, You mean the traitors who sabotaged a passive security system that helps ensure the safety of billions of people in the most free and progressive countries on the planet with the best human rights records ?

The left wing media did all they could to distort the facts of that case and help the communist traitors who attacked our country. They should have all gotten life sentences. Countries are attacked and many thousands killed for doing less than that.
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