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Manolo

You ought to be kidding: Miss Dim taking the piss and taunting the staunchest Dunne-supporter on Earth, P.G.?
Mirth and laughter all over KB today.
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July 26, 2013 1:08pm
Kea

Griff, YOU have claimed scientists can be influenced by money, I have some questions:

1. Who pays the IPCC ?
2. On what basis are they funded ?
3. Would the IPCC and its many staff and contributors exist if they admitted AGW did not exist ?

Pop Quiz. Can you find the missing letter?: Oil companies make money from selling O.L ?
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July 26, 2013 1:15pm
graham

Penny, I believe I can help. 🙂

Last month, Peter Dunne was reported as saying “The GCSB should not spy on New Zealanders under any circumstances.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8836053/Dunne-pressured-over-controversial-spy-bill
http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/138432/dunne-may-hold-crucial-vote-on-spy-bill

Seems fairly clear cut to me.
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July 26, 2013 1:22pm
Pete George

@Penny

errr….. how was it NOT a question…

Technicaly it was a question, but it was completely contrary to what the chairman asked of questions. He specifically asked not to make speeches and statements. Couching your speech as a question did not make it comply with the chair’s request.

So – Pete George – YOU, PETER DUNNE and UNITED FUTURE are NOT opposed to proposed legislative changes which would allow widespread surveillance on New Zealanders, thus attacking our rights to privacy?

Please confirm – YES or NO?

I can only speak for myself.

I would oppose legislative changes that would allow widespread surveillance on New Zealanders. I think and I hope that the GCSB Bill won’t allow anything like that.

I think some people are exaggerating what the bill will allow.

Penny, can you tell me what in the bill allows widespread surveillance on New Zealanders? Taking in to account the changes recommended by the committee plus the changes put forward by Peter Dunne.
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July 26, 2013 1:24pm
RightNow

“The effects of climate change are far worse and immediate for the developing world than for the developed world.”

Yeah, agreed. Like converting crop land for biofuels and killing millions from starvation in the process.
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July 26, 2013 1:30pm
nickb

I think and I hope

Well, consider my fears over this Bill as being assuaged.
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July 26, 2013 1:33pm
ciaron

I can only speak for myself.

Oh please do.
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July 26, 2013 1:34pm
Pete George

Yes Graham. Have you got a dossier on Dunne?

Dunne has since explained that sometimes have to trade ideals with what is achievable, and while ideally he who would like a complete GCSB/SIS separation he had to trade off some things in negotiations with Key to gain what he felt was most important. That’s normal politics, without which you could never get most things done. (My words as I understand it).

And in my opinion full separation between the GCSB and the SIS is beyond the scopy of the current bill and is best left to when the full review is done in 2014, when perhaps more separation can be achieved.
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July 26, 2013 1:39pm
graham

“Have I got a dossier on Dunne?” Nope, it’s called Google.

Have you got a dossier on him?
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July 26, 2013 2:00pm
Griff

Screen licking again kea how unusual.

Poow witle wingnut

If the IPCC stopped paying scientists the result would be zero change in existing scientific research funding.

They dont do any research at the IPCC.

Is it not about time that instead of living inside a bubble of total ignorance you actually found out about the big scary real world?

Most sane people would make an effort to become informed about subjects they comment on rather than proving their stunning stupidity daily.

That is unless their views were a matter of faith and religion rather than fact and reality.

http://www.ipcc.ch/index.htm#.UfHWw6zoPFw

The IPCC is a scientific body under the auspices of the United Nations (UN). It reviews and assesses the most recent scientific, technical and socio-economic information produced worldwide relevant to the understanding of climate change. It does not conduct any research nor does it monitor climate related data or parameters.
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July 26, 2013 2:16pm
Manolo

Dunne has since explained that sometimes have to trade ideals with what is achievable,…

Rewritten for accuracy:
Dunne has since explained that sometimes has to trade his ~~ideals~~ tired body with what is ~~achievable~~ the baubles of office…

Come on, Dunne is the ultimate whore, a shameless chameleon, and the master of all political prostitutes in this country. He cannot be defended.
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July 26, 2013 2:34pm
Fletch

Griff, the IPCC also does not accept or use scientists (many more highly knowledgeable than the 20-something year old graduate students it uses) that go against the warming narrative.

Robert Watson, who chaired the IPCC for the five years before Pachauri took over, also says the “IPCC engages thousands of the world’s best experts.” Media outlets have repeated these assertions time and again. But such claims are bogus. For starters, some of the world’s most experienced experts have been left out in the cold. In 2005 an atmospheric science professor from Colorado State University named William Gray told a US Senate Committee:

Despite my 50 years of meteorology experience and my many years of involvement in seasonal hurricane and climate prediction, I have never been asked for input on any of the [IPCC] reports. The reason he wasn’t invited to the party, he says, is because he doesn’t think global warming causes more (or stronger) hurricanes. “They know my views and do not wish to have to deal with them.”

Six months prior to Gray’s testimony, an expert on the other side of the Atlantic was raising his own concerns before a committee of the British House of Lords. Paul Reiter knows little about atmospheric science. What he does know is the field in which he has specialized for more than 40 years – diseases that are spread by mosquitoes. According to him, the people who’ve been writing about those diseases in the Climate Bible are not experts.

While a large portion of the health chapter in the 1995 edition dealt with malaria, Reiter points out that “not one of the lead authors had ever written a research paper on the subject!” Only those with limited knowledge of this field, he says, could have produced such “amateurish” work. For example, the Climate Bible said malaria-transmitting mosquitoes usually don’t survive in areas where winter temperatures drop below 16°C (60°F).

Reiter says that’s nonsense. We now associate malaria with tropical locales, but poverty and an absence of health care are important factors. Hawaii, Aruba, and Barbados are all tropical, but malaria isn’t a problem there. On the other hand, in the 1800s thousands died of malaria in North America and Europe – even in Siberia. [footnote 3-2]

It’s the same story with sea levels. The former president of a Commission on Sea Level Change, Nils-Axel Mörner, also addressed the House of Lords committee. Mörner, who has 40 years experience in his field, called attention to the disparity between what genuine sea level specialists think and what those who write IPCC reports believe. Those in the second group, he says, lack hands-on expertise.

Instead, they attempt to predict the future via mathematical formulas that have been fed into computers (computer modeling). Mörner told the House of Lords that, between 1999 and 2003, genuine sea level experts held five international meetings to discuss the available real-world evidence. They concluded that sea levels are unlikely to increase by more than 10 cm (4 inches) by the year 2100. Mörner says the claim that sea levels are rising quickly – or that entire island nations are in imminent danger of drowning – are simply not true. Dr. Gray, the hurricane specialist, resides in America. Dr. Reiter, the malaria expert, works at the Pasteur Institute in Paris. Dr. Mörner is the former head of a geodynamics unit at the University of Stockholm, in Sweden. Each of them possesses highly specialized knowledge. Each of them is a seasoned professional with long experience in his field. They are, in other words, exactly the kind of people you’d expect to find at the heart of an organization comprised of world-class scientists examining one of the planet’s most important questions. But they are all IPCC outsiders. This suggests the IPCC defines top scientists and best experts differently than do most of us.

~ Laframboise, Donna (2011-10-09). The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert (Kindle Locations 106-113). Ivy Avenue Press. Kindle Edition.

The IPCC hires “experts” that follow the narrative it wants to hear.
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July 26, 2013 2:46pm
Fletch

Next –

So if malaria experts aren’t writing the section on malaria in the Climate Bible and world-renowned sea level experts aren’t writing the section on sea levels, who is writing IPCC reports? One group consists of graduate students.

Typically these are individuals in their twenties. Their experience of the world is neither broad nor deep. If they were merely performing administrative tasks that would be one thing. But the IPCC has long relied on their expert judgment. Richard Klein, now a Dutch geography professor, is a classic example. In 1992 Klein turned 23, completed a Masters degree, and worked as a Greenpeace campaigner.

Two years later, at the tender age of 25, he found himself serving as an IPCC lead author. (The IPCC has three classes of writers. Coordinating lead authors are in charge of an entire chapter and are therefore the most senior in rank. Each chapter usually has two. Lead authors are expected to write a significant amount of text. Their numbers vary from a handful to several dozen. Contributing authors provide supplemental knowledge. They typically don’t participate in the meetings attended by the other two kinds of authors, but are asked to write briefly about a narrow, specific topic. A chapter may have no contributing authors or as many as 20 of them.) Klein’s online biography tells us that, since 1994, he has been a lead author for six IPCC reports. On three of those occasions, beginning in 1997, he served as a coordinating lead author. This means that Klein was promoted to the IPCC’s most senior author role at age 28 – six years prior to the 2003 completion of his PhD. Neither his youth nor his thin academic credentials prevented the IPCC from regarding him as one of the world’s top experts. [footnote 4-1]

Nor is he an isolated case. Laurens Bouwer is currently employed by an environmental studies institute at the VU University Amsterdam. In 1999-2000, he served as an IPCC lead author before earning his Masters in 2001. How can a young man without even a Masters degree become an IPCC lead author? Good question. Nor is it the only one. Bouwer’s expertise is in climate change and water resources. Yet the chapter for which he first served as a lead author was titled Insurance and Other Financial Services. It turns out that, during part of 2000, Bouwer was a trainee at Munich Reinsurance Company. This means the IPCC chose as a lead author someone who a) was a trainee, b) lacked a Masters degree, and c) was still a full decade away from receiving his 2010 PhD.

Who else falls into this category? Step forward Lisa Alexander. As recently as 2008, this woman was a research assistant at Australia’s Monash University. After earning her PhD in 2009, she was hired by another Aussie university – which noted in its announcement that she had already “played a key role” in both the 2001 and 2007 editions of the Climate Bible. (She was a contributing author the first time, and a lead author the second.) The IPCC selected its 2001 authors during 1999. This means its leadership decided that Alexander was a world-class expert 10 years before she, too, had earned her doctorate.

Sari Kovats, currently a lecturer at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, is an even more egregious example. She didn’t earn her PhD until 2010. Yet back in 1994 – 16 years prior to that event and three years before her first academic paper was published – Kovats was one of only 21 people in the entire world selected to work on the first IPCC chapter that examined how climate change might affect human health. In total, Kovats has been an IPCC lead author twice and a contributing author once – all long before she’d completed her PhD.

One of Kovats’ health chapter colleagues was an American named Jonathan Patz. He earned a Masters degree in Public Health in 1992 and had his first academic paper published in late 1995. Yet in 1994 the IPCC judged his credentials so impressive he was appointed one of its lead authors. Given the involvement of both Kovats and Patz, Paul Reiter’s description of the IPCC’s 1995 health chapter as amateurish starts to make sense. Rather than recruiting real experts like Reiter the IPCC enlisted young, inexperienced, non-experts instead.

Laframboise, Donna (2011-10-09). The Delinquent Teenager Who Was Mistaken for the World’s Top Climate Expert (Kindle Locations 159-175). Ivy Avenue Press. Kindle Edition.

So the next time you hear the IPCC talk about “experts” you know who you’re really getting.
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July 26, 2013 2:48pm
OneTrack

“I think Penny could easily bankrupt the city during her first term.”

Chicken feed. The Greens will bankrupt the country during their first term. And Labour will let them.
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July 26, 2013 2:53pm
Tom Jackson

You know, if you’re against repealing the GCSB bill just because Penny Bright, John Minto and Kim Dotcom are for repeal, then you’re an idiot.

It was a bad bill to start with, and in light of recent world events, a wholly odious piece of legislation. You don’t have to like Kim Dotcom to admit that he may well be right on this one (and it’s starting to look more like he’s right every day).

Jeez.. even Leighton Smith doesn’t like it, and was eviscerating its supporters on his show yesterday.

All that goes to show is that people who frequently disagree about limiting government can agree on limits in this case, and that’s a good thing.

What I want to know is where NZ’s libertarians are? If they actually cared about liberty, they would be shrieking to high heaven about this crap, but I’ve heard not a peep. Anyone know where they are?
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July 26, 2013 2:53pm
nickb

Dunne has since explained that sometimes have to trade ideals with what is expedient, and while ideally he who would like a complete GCSB/SIS separation he had to trade off some things in negotiations with Key to gain what he felt was a good likelihood of a cabinet seat in 2014 and the baubles of ministerial office.

Fixed.
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July 26, 2013 3:12pm
Redbaiter

“If they actually cared about liberty, they would be shrieking to high heaven about this crap, but I’ve heard not a peep. Anyone know where they are?”

Yes, standing around with their fingers up each other’s arse. (If not something else.)

As a Conservative I have had something to say on it, but there’s not much support out there today for concepts like small weak powerless unobtrusive government. I think those who might support such concepts have all left the country, and except for a few holdouts, we’re stuck with a majority of commies and socialists and progs who continue to see government as their saviour.
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July 26, 2013 3:16pm
Viking2

I’m staggered by willingness of so many to accept a politicians assurances when it comes to secrecy etc.
One just needs to read the posts to see that many are unable to think for themselves and are blindly able to accept the dribble that these politicians churn out.
That’s how people like Hitler were able to gain power. No one fucking cared about his evil ways.

IF what dot com says is correct (and I for one suspect that it is after Key’s performance at the GCSB Select committee)m the Key and the people who agreed this should be resigning immediately.
allowing a commercial enterprise to bully our Security apparatus into making changes that suited them and against our Law is about as close to treason that one could get without actually committing the offense directly.

That we might get a Labour greens coalition immediately scares the crap out of me but this behavoir is even worse.
Its developed a lack of trust in our leadership. Once leadership destroys trust then it is doomed.

Nothing KS or others decide to say will restore that trust. Ask people around you what they think. My staff don’t trust Key at all.
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July 26, 2013 3:23pm
publicwatchdog

errrr… Pete George – I think ex-Supreme Court Judge, Ted Thomas, who was tasked with chairing last night’s meeting – AGAINST the GCSB bill, was quite capable of shutting me down, (as he did with others), if he thought that I was not asking a question?

Perhaps you’d like to see for yourself the question ex-Supreme Court Judge, Ted Thomas, who was tasked with chairing last night’s meeting – ALLOWED me to ask?

(Kiwibloggers can scroll through to 1.09.05 of the livestream coverage, and perhaps think and decide for yourselves, whether or not I ASKED a question?

http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/25/live-video-stop-the-gcsb-bill-public-meeting-from-7pm/

Personally, I have a real problem with all those who purport to be opposed to ‘Nanny State’, who are not opposing this arguably far worse ‘BIG BROTHER STATE’ (on steroids)?

Where are the Press Releases from the Libertarians, ACT on Campus and the like, opposing this proposed legislation, and supporting the upcoming rallies/marches around New Zealand tomorrow opposing the GCSB Bill, which is effectively being railroaded through Parliament with the slimmest possible majority?

FYI – protests tomorrow, Saturday 27 July at 2pm, are being held in the following towns and cities around this supposed ‘democracy’ – New Zealand:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=258769314248278&set=a.253532231438653.1073741827.253531264772083&type=1&theater

I do hope to see all those Aucklanders who support the lawful rights of citizens to privacy, freedom of association and freedom of expression, and oppose arbitrary search and surveillance at Aotea Square, Auckland, 2pm.

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption/ anti-privatisation’ campaigner
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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July 26, 2013 3:24pm
Viking2

Manolo (10,546) Says:
July 26th, 2013 at 2:34 pm

Dunne has since explained that sometimes have to trade ideals with what is achievable,…

Rewritten for accuracy:
Dunne has since explained that sometimes has to trade his ideals tired body with what is achievable the baubles of office…

Come on, Dunne is the ultimate whore, a shameless chameleon, and the master of all political prostitutes in this country. He cannot be ~~defended.~~ deleted. 😆
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July 26, 2013 3:25pm
Zapper

http://www.theage.com.au/national/hands-off-doctors-take-debate-over-smacking-to-legal-lengths-20130725-2qnf4.html

Interesting article in The Age about the proposed introduction of anti-smacking legislation in Australia. The poll result currently sits at 83% against. Some interesting comments in the article. It will be interesting to see if politicians ignore the will of the people in Australia.
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July 26, 2013 3:26pm
nickb

nickb, at least I’m open about what I do – which is nothing like how you try to portray it in your divert and discredit personal attack mission. And typically you are what you accuse, you’re the one trying to slander, repeatedly.

But you’re too gutless to be honest about what you’re doing it for.

Familiar signs, and clues accrue. You’re getting very obvious.

By continually insinuating I have some kind of exterior motive for attacking Peter Dunne you are clearly trying to demonstrate he has some kind of political relevance or importance and it follows that everyone is trying to pull the great centrist messiah down.

In fact, nothing could be further from the truth. Not only is he not politically relevant or important in any way, shape or form, he has been publicly disgraced a matter of weeks ago. So please tell me Pete, what kind of gutless, obvious, (in your words) ulterior motive would I have in attacking Peter Dunne? The definition of ulterior is secretive – and I have no secret dislike for Peter Dunne. It is all out in the open.

If you don’t like being criticised then my advice would be to not support such a rank liar, trougher and hypocrite.
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July 26, 2013 3:34pm
RRM

Imagine it Penny – the GCSB might investigate how far you are in arrears with your rates and your water bills!

Maybe we need to reintroduce debtor’s prisons… it might save a lot of people from having to listen to your unending self-absorbed bullshit at every council meeting, as you interrupt serious business to talk – at length – about Penny Bright??
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July 26, 2013 3:36pm
nickb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wOBNhOdg9Q
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July 26, 2013 3:46pm
nickb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsYmq7Z4dcg
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July 26, 2013 3:51pm
Pete George

nickb – I only care about being criticised by people who are honest and have credibility.

You’re gutless because you repeatedly target with personal attacks while hiding behind the protection of an impersonal pseudonym.

Anything I say here I’d be prepared to say to people face to face. Would you?
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July 26, 2013 4:06pm
Redbaiter

“Anything I say here I’d be prepared to say to people face to face. Would you?”

Yeah I would actually, and I’m looking forward to saying it to your face one day coward.
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July 26, 2013 4:09pm
nickb

You’re gutless because you repeatedly target with personal attacks

ok…
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July 26, 2013 4:27pm
nickb

And Pete, for someone with ambitions of political office you really have to stop being so precious.

I have made personal attacks on Peter Dunne because he is an elected politician who has shown serious character flaws. Surely you don’t believe politicians are immune from criticism? That would be bizarre, after all, given we are having this discussion on a robust political blog…. or is it only when your “team” is the recipient of the criticism that you get upset?

And a pseudonym? I am posting under my own name – Nick.

Why should I have to give you my address, IRD number and favourite cafe just to have the right to criticise a disgraced politician?

I have to say you are becoming increasingly unhinged with your comments on here. If you can’t handle criticism then you have sure as hell got the wrong calling.
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July 26, 2013 4:30pm
bereal

And folks,
if you really need to get a handle on the huge intellect that posts under the moniker
of ‘nickb’
Check him out on the thread, “Ready, aim, fire.” below.

Might make your skin crawl.

Dime, this your mate ?
Stand by him ?
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July 26, 2013 5:13pm
nickb

bereal I have yet to see you string a coherent paragraph together. Are you missing a chromosome?
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July 26, 2013 5:19pm
dime

bereal – nick is a good bastard. only know him from online.

so basically what happened is an all day discussion took a right turn for 3 posts and you lost your shit.

i stand by his “eat shit & die” comment 😀
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July 26, 2013 5:21pm
dime

“Have I got a dossier on Dunne?” Nope, it’s called Google.

Have you got a dossier on him?’

BAHAHA more like a shrine. a doll made from dunnes hair (not very flexible), a poster of dunne on his ceiling etc
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July 26, 2013 5:26pm
bereal

nice posts dime and nickb

Others will judge.

“eat shit and die.”

for the record, what on earth does that mean ?
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July 26, 2013 5:28pm
nickb

BAHAHA more like a shrine. a doll made from dunnes hair (not very flexible), a poster of dunne on his ceiling etc

Maybe a Dunne fleshlight? (presuming you of all people know what that is lmao)
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July 26, 2013 5:29pm
nickb

for the record, what on earth does that mean ?

You might be reading too much into it bereal. Give it a literal interpretation.
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July 26, 2013 5:32pm
dime

“maybe a Dunne fleshlight? (presuming you of all people know what that is lmao)”

i ended up buying the tera patrick fleshlight. i was a bit gutted. i really wanted the teagan presley but they were sold out.

gross fact – if your fleshlight starts to go hard and crusty you can bring it back to nice using corn flour or corn starch.. is that the same thing?
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July 26, 2013 5:34pm
bereal

Waiting, waiting,

nickb and dime, they will soon tell us what, “Eat shit and die.” means in English.

Fuckn imbeciles.

Tell us what that means ?
Meanwhile, give each other a thumbs up.

C’mon birdbrains,
what does ,’Eat shit and die.’ mean to youse ?
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July 26, 2013 5:36pm
nickb

ahahahahahahaha that is sick yet hilarious.

Sorry though, wrong person to ask here
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July 26, 2013 5:37pm
nickb

Consume faeces and expire.

Does that make it clearer?

If not, I will have to take a raincheck and explain it to you later bereal. Out for some fine dining on this fine Friday night
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July 26, 2013 5:40pm
bereal

And guess what dime.
you will never ever live down that silly comment.

“Eat shit and die.”

That will define you on kiwiblog for all time.

i thought you had more about you, but when it comes down to it,
you stand by your mate you and nickb are birds of a feather.

A very light weight feather at that.

What does, ‘Eat shit and die.’ mean you fuckwit ?
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July 26, 2013 5:44pm
bereal

dime you poor sod,
you are letting an effing idiot define you.

What a saddo.
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July 26, 2013 5:46pm
dime

“What does, ‘Eat shit and die.’ mean you fuckwit ?”

it means we wish everlasting prosperity on you and your loved ones 🙂
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July 26, 2013 5:48pm
dime

“ahahahahahahaha that is sick yet hilarious.

Sorry though, wrong person to ask here”

what could of been embarrassing for a normal person is the dude working in the sex shop who sold it to me turned out to be an old friend heh he gave me the full sales pitch too! was really good.

bereal (((((((hug)))))))
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July 26, 2013 5:49pm
bereal

When you use the term ‘We’
you put yourself and nickb on the same plane.

Thats fine mate. Maybe thats appropriate.

Just don’t forget. Eat shit and die.

i wont let you forget.
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July 26, 2013 5:55pm
dime

bereal – i think you should add that to the end of every post you make for the rest of eternity. embrace it, own it.

“eat shit and die” – nick b, july 26, 2013. endorsed by Dime.

just save it on a word doc and them quickly copy n paste every post.

to quite a great movie “lighten up francis”
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July 26, 2013 5:59pm
bereal

Jeez, this is disintergrating so fast.
i can’t keep up
Can somebody please interpret what dime meant at 5.49 ?

dime, you must be pissed.

Anyway, Eat shit and die. will always define you from now on for all time.

Thank nickb and yourself for that.

Take that to the bank.
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July 26, 2013 6:03pm
Pete George

Nick, it’s not just personal attacks on Dunne, it seems to have become a daily obsession, along with a couple of others who complain about him being mentioned and post the most about him (more than me).

I’m sure most people have got the idea that you don’t like Dunne, but if you feel you have to keep repeating it that’s your business.

You know very well what I mean by an impersonal pseudonym. You don’t front up with your identity, fair enough, many people choose that for good reasons, but I’d guess that you wouldn’t be as persistently abusive if you made your identity and connections known.

Unhinged, yeah, that’s a newish one. Try something else.

I face up to more criticism than most here, I think I’ve proven I can handle it. You don’t seem to handle it so well, you have interesting patterns of behaviour.
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July 26, 2013 6:04pm
dime

“Jeez, this is disintergrating so fast.
i can’t keep up
Can somebody please interpret what dime meant at 5.49 ?”

i was recanting to nick my story of purchasing a fleshlight at a sleazy sex shop. google fleshlight. dont do it on a work machine.

the (((HUG))) was for you. you seem to need one.

anyway, must dash.

dont forget to remind me of the eat shit thing cause ill forget.
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July 26, 2013 6:07pm
dime

PG – have you noticed the amount of people on here giving you shit on a daily basis? do you think maybe the problem is you?

fuck id hate to have you as my spokesperson.

you infer a lot of things and whenyoure called on it, it is always “i never said that, show me a link”.

ill give you an example:

Dime: I wouldnt trust PG around kids (im inferring something pretty disgraceful and of course not true”
PG (either at the time or whenever in the future): you said i mess with kids
Dime: no i didnt. show me the link.

that is your debating style.

we get this GCSBHM-Y is a big deal to you. but 5 posts a day? linking to your blog? while painting dunne to be a hero?

anyway, really must dash now. late Dime.
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July 26, 2013 6:11pm
Pete George

PG – have you noticed the amount of people on here giving you shit on a daily basis?

Yes, I have noticed, similar to what it’s always been, it’s a very small number. Much less than those who have some interest in what I post.

do you think maybe the problem is you?

I don’t have a problem. Do you? I think you’re often an over the top dick here but I don’t keep telling everyone about it, I think they can see it for themselves.
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July 26, 2013 6:19pm
bereal

Don’t worry mate, i will remind you.

You put yourself on the same level as nickb for all time. What a very, very low level.

Mate, you are just not up to arguing with me.

You have to dash, oh,right, can’t stand it. You weak article.

Retire hurt rather than get beat up any more.
Pathetic.
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July 26, 2013 6:20pm
OneTrack

Andrew -“wikiriwhis business – this law is needed to “keep us safe” from the terrorists who are exploding themselves and killing innocent bystanders up at bus stops in Timaru on an almost daily basis in these trying times”

I other words you want to see a few bodies first before you will agree to allowing the technicians of the gcsb to help with surveillance and instead the police should pay for their own?
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July 26, 2013 6:28pm
bereal

dime @ 6.07
oh, I must dash….

dime@ 6.11
blah, blah blah,

Shallow as a puddle.

What does ,’Eat shit and die.” mean to you dime ?

Or are you just full of it ?
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July 26, 2013 6:31pm
Steve (North Shore)

Dime has gone out on the piss, bereal is still trolling, and uncle pete has to have a cup of tea and a lay down.
So ends another day of the Dunne Daze of our Lives, hours through the sandglass and fuck all happened for the unification
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July 26, 2013 6:35pm
Fletch

Obama says Vietnam’s communist and murderer Ho Chi Minh was inspired by America’s founding fathers???

President Obama hailed hard-core communist revolutionary Ho Chi Minh today as a pretty open guy who was actually inspired by the Founders.

Obama took a break from his jobs-pivot speeches to meet Vietnamese President Truong Tan Sang at the White House. The pair held joint remarks in the Oval Office afterward.

Obama said their first bilateral meeting “represents the steady progression and strengthening of the relationship between our two countries.”

The visit by Sang, he said, “signifies the maturing and the next stage of the development between the United States and Vietnam.”

Obama said Sang concluded the meeting by sharing “a copy of a letter sent by Ho Chi Minh to Harry Truman.”

“And we discussed the fact that Ho Chi Minh was actually inspired by the U.S. Declaration of Independence and Constitution, and the words of Thomas Jefferson. Ho Chi Minh talks about his interest in cooperation with the United States. And President Sang indicated that even if it’s 67 years later, it’s good that we’re still making progress.”

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2013/07/25/obama-ho-chi-minh-was-inspired-by-the-founders/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

WTF is wrong with this guy?
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July 26, 2013 6:39pm
bereal

Playing with dime is almost almost as much fun as pulling wings off
a fly.

bereal can keep it up untill dime can explain what he and his sycophant nickb
mean by, ‘Eat shit and die,”

These morons, dime and nickb consider that the merits of a TV programme they are fixated
with called dexter an equal subject for conjecture as a five year old child being burned
on his face.
Forget a nonentity such as nickb but,

Does dime wanna keep it up ?

Silly dime .
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July 26, 2013 6:43pm
Griff

Beryl
Recognize your alcoholism drunken old sot.

That shit will kill you if you dont .
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July 26, 2013 6:46pm
bereal

Steve ( North Shore)
Well said.
If i was one for thumbs up or down i would give you a thumbs up.
Nice one.
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July 26, 2013 6:47pm
nasska

The future Monarch of the UK has probably just shat himself, dribbled a bit, and rolled on the floor.

Good old Charles.
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July 26, 2013 7:07pm
RightNow

Oh noes bereal, spliff thinks you’re the one who has a problem with substance abuse.
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July 26, 2013 7:08pm
nickb

Nick, it’s not just personal attacks on Dunne, it seems to have become a daily obsession, along with a couple of others who complain about him being mentioned and post the most about him (more than me).

I’m sure most people have got the idea that you don’t like Dunne, but if you feel you have to keep repeating it that’s your business.

You know very well what I mean by an impersonal pseudonym. You don’t front up with your identity, fair enough, many people choose that for good reasons, but I’d guess that you

If you call one or two posts attempting to debunk your 10+ daily essays about Peter Dunne: A Civil Liberties Champion and Kiwi Hero an obsession…..ok

wouldn’t be as persistently abusive if you made your identity and connections known.

Identity: irrelevant
“Connections”: absolutely none, couldn’t think of anything worse than being aligned to a political party or actively involved in politics given the current state of our political system. My posts merely represent my own views. The fact that so many others on this blog share those views isn’t my problem.

And persistently abusive… you continually show yourself up as a gross hypocrite (just like your middle of the road messiah) with comments like this. I could point to hundreds of instances of “persistent abuse” by yourself. But of course these can be ignored, because they are in the name of fairness, reasonableness, and sensibleness.
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July 26, 2013 7:42pm
nasska

A man went to the doctor’s office to ask for a triple dose of Viagra. The doctor told him that he couldn’t allow him a triple dose. “Why not?” asked the man. “Because it’s not safe” replied the doctor. “But I need it really bad” said the man. “Well, why do you need it so badly?” asked the doctor. The man said, “My girlfriend is coming into town on Friday, my ex-wife will be here on Saturday and my wife is coming home on Sunday. Can’t you see? I’ve got to have a triple dose!?”

The doctor finally relented saying “All right, I’ll give it to you, but you have to come in Monday morning so that I can check you to see if there are any side effects”.

On Monday afternoon the man dragged himself into the doctor’s office… his right arm in a sling.

The doctor asked “Good god! What happened to you?” The man said “No one showed up”…
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July 26, 2013 8:00pm
Pete George

Funny Nick. Nine posts on this one thread on your obsession. You can’t deny thread history.

And your only other effort here is a wee run in with bereal, bitching again. That’s par for the course for you. Maybe DPF will do another post or two on CGT to give you something to get your mind on other things.
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July 26, 2013 8:02pm
Griff

I’m not an alcoholic. Alcoholics need a drink, but I already have one.

I’m not an alcoholic alcoholics go to meetings, I’m a drunk, we go to parties.

A man walks into a bar and orders a shot of whiskey then looks into his pocket. He does this over and over again. Finally, the bartender asks why he orders a shot of whiskey and afterwards look into his pocket. The man responded, “I have a picture of my wife in there and when she starts to look good then i’ll go home.”
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July 26, 2013 8:07pm
nickb

Follows up a scolding about personal attacks with… a personal attack. You really will make a great political candidate in 2014 Pete, you have all the attributes required.
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July 26, 2013 8:08pm
nasska

Sunday morning in a little chapel in the Welsh valleys.
The vicar is in the pulpit and says, “Who here in the congregation can tell me they have seen a ghost?”
Silence from the congregation.
The vicar then says, “Who here in the congregation can tell me that they have seen and spoken to a ghost?”
Again silence from the congregation.
The vicar then says, “Who here in the congregation can tell me that they have seen and spoken and made love to a ghost?
A voice from the back shouts out,”I have vicar!”
“Thomas Evans”, says the vicar, “You mean to tell me that you have seen, spoken to and made love to ghost?”
The man replies “Oh! Sorry vicar I thought you said a goat!”
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July 26, 2013 8:13pm
nickb

A bus load of politicians were driving down a country road, when the bus ran off the road and crashed into a tree in an old farmer’s field. The old farmer, after seeing what happened, went over to investigate. A few days later, the local sheriff came out looking for the missing politicos, saw the crashed bus, and asked the farmer where all the politicians had gone.

The farmer said, “I buried ’em all… out back.”

The sheriff then asked, “Were they ALL dead?”

The old farmer replied, “Well, some of them said they weren’t, but you know how them politicians lie.”
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July 26, 2013 8:17pm
Griff

Beryl’s wife was in bed with her lover when she heard Beryl stumble in the door. “Stay where you are,” she said. “He’s so drunk he won’t even notice you’re in bed with me.” Sure enough, Beryl lurched into bed none the wiser, but a few minutes later, through a drunken haze, he saw six feet sticking out at the end of the bed. Beryl turned to his wife: “Hey, there are six feet in this bed. There should only be four. What’s going on?” “Nonsense,” said the wife. “You’re so drunk you miscounted. Get out of bed and try again. You can see better from over there.” Beryl climbed out of bed and counted. “One, two, three, four. You’re right, you know.”
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July 26, 2013 8:21pm
nasska

My uncle always said “One in the hand is worth two in the bush.”

He died a virgin.
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July 26, 2013 8:31pm
liarbors a joke

Beryl walks in the front door of a bar and yells “Bartender, gimme a drink!”

The bartender says “Sir, you’re already intoxicated. I can’t serve you.”

Beryl grumbles and walks out the front door.

A few minutes later, Beryl comes in the side door yelling “Bartender, gimme a drink!”

The bartender says “I already told you…you’re drunk and I can’t serve you!”

Beryl grumbles and walks out the side door.

A few minutes later Beryl comes in the back door yelling “Bartender, gimme a drink!”

The bartender says “Look, buddy, I told you twice, you’re too drunk and if you don’t leave now I’m calling the police!”

Beryl, awestruck asks “Just how many bars do you work in, anyway?”
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July 26, 2013 8:33pm
Pete George

This is not intended as a joke (I think) but was posted today by a well known NZ blogger:

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BOFFIN: Before we begin, Prime Minister, have you been in touch with the young man I suggested?

PM: Yes, I have. He and his team were in here yesterday. They swept the whole floor – and the Cabinet Room upstairs.

BOFFIN: And …?

PM: And … it was just as you predicted. Listening devices everywhere. All gone now though, and his counter-measures are all in place and operating. We can speak freely here, Colonel.

BOFFIN: Excellent. But, just as a matter of interest, how long has it been since the last official sweep?

PM: Less than a week, Colonel. Any doubts I might have had about your warnings of a fortnight ago have been well-and-truly dispelled. So, now that nobody is listening-in, what’s our next move?

BOFFIN: You will have to move extremely quickly, Prime Minister. The sudden loss of their surveillance capacity will have alerted the Service that your government is not quite the sitting duck they were expecting. Even as we speak, they will be assessing the magnitude of the problem they face. You need to strike swiftly, before they recover their balance.

PM: Strike them? How?

BOFFIN: You’ve got yourself a new Police Commissioner. Can you trust him?

PM: Absolutely. He’s been feeding me information ever since the Ruatoki Raid in ’07. I’d trust him with my life.

BOFFIN: Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that, Prime Minister. What you will have to entrust to him, and to a few dozen of his most trusted officers, is the execution of simultaneous raids on your own Department, the SIS and the GCSB.

PM: What!

BOFFIN: There’s no other way, Prime Minister. The Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet lies at the very heart of what Rebecca Kitteridge, two years ago, called “The Intelligence Community”. The strategic thinking, the tactical decision-making, the practical coordination of resources – it all happens within your own department. You’re currently surrounded by at least seven separate national security related committees, all of them beavering away on behalf of our American friends and their allies. You have to shut them down.

PM: How the hell do we do that?

BOFFIN: You do it the way Lionel Murphy did it in 1973.

PM: Which was …?

BOFFIN: Lionel Murphy QC was the Australian Attorney-General in Gough Whitlam’s Labour Government. He had asked ASIO – their equivalent of the SIS – for information about a series of terrorist bombings believed to be the work of fanatical Croatian anti-communists, and the spooks had declined to supply it. So Murphy sent a detachment of Commonwealth Police, armed with search warrants, right into ASIO’s Melbourne headquarters. Unprecedented – anywhere in the English-speaking world. But, he got what he was after.

PM: Jesus!

BOFFIN: There’s really no other way, Prime Minister. You need to know what they know, what they have been doing, what they’re planning – and the only way to secure that information is to march into the office of every single operative, order them to stand well clear of their computers, and seize everything. And, as that’s happening, you’ll also have to stand down your own departmental head and the heads of both the SIS and the GCSB. They must be made to surrender all codes, passwords, keys, cellphones – the lot. Our friends in the US and the UK must be left completely blind.

PM: And Waihopai? Tangimoana?

BOFFIN: Same procedure. Police in, GCSB personnel out.

PM: And – then what?

BOFFIN: Then Prime Minister, I suggest you have that young man and his friends ready to get to work extracting as much information as possible from the Echelon and Prism systems as they can before the Americans realise what’s going on and shut us out. Hopefully, they’ll be able to lay their hands on enough data to allow your government to strike a bargain with the other four eyes.

PM: A bargain?

BOFFIN: Yes, Prime Minister. You will put it to the Americans that since your government has already proved it can’t be trusted to preserve the integrity of the UKUSA protocols, the other signatories have nothing to gain by attempting to hold New Zealand to them. They should also know that, as a now former participant in the “five eyes” agreement, your government has in its possession information that could prove extremely prejudicial to the national interests and security of the United States and its allies. The New Zealand Government would not, of course, allow any of this information to become public … unless … unless something untoward should happen, either to yourself, or to any other member of your government.

PM: And you reckon this is the only way to get out of UKUSA?

BOFFIN: Well, Prime Minister, I haven’t been able to think of another way. Were you to follow the accepted, orthodox and very lengthy processes of policy formation and implementation, the Intelligence Community would have time to block, divert and, ultimately, undermine your every effort. There would be leaks, Prime Minister. There would be embarrassing revelations, based on information supplied by … persons unknown … and acquired, well, I’m sure you can imagine how they would acquire it. No government that is unwilling to act in the unorthodox and decisive fashion I have just outlined could ever hope to defeat its own intelligence community. Go back and study the files from the Kirk-Rowling Government, Prime Minister. Download and watch The Falcon and the Snowman.

PM: The what?

BOFFIN: It’s a movie, Prime Minister, based on the true life exploits of a couple of young Americans who stumble upon the truth of what happened to Gough Whitlam’s Labour Government.

PM: Which was …?

BOFFIN: Whitlam, God bless him, decided that he was going to shut down Pine Gap – Australia’s Waihopai – because he had begun to suspect that it was fundamentally compromising Australia’s national sovereignty. Well, these two young Americans, discovered what their country was willing to do to prevent that from happening.

PM: Which was what?

BOFFIN: Whitlam’s government was deliberately and fatally destabilised. His ministers were set up by CIA “assets” and discredited. Sensitive information was constantly and damagingly leaked to the press. Finally, when Australia had become virtually ungovernable, the CIA’s biggest asset of all, the Governor-General of Australia, Sir John Kerr, dismissed Whitlam’s government and replaced it with one committed to remaining a loyal member of the UKUSA Agreement.

PM: Jesus, Colonel, you’re frightening me!

BOFFIN: You’re right to be frightened, Prime Minister. These are dangerous people. And the resources at their disposal in 2015 are greater, by several orders of magnitude, than they were forty years ago, in 1975. The defenders of contemporary capitalism are now arrayed with powers we can scarcely imagine. All of us should be afraid, Prime Minister. Very afraid.

@Chris Trotter
http://thedailyblog.co.nz/2013/07/26/interview-with-a-boffin-is-it-possible-to-shut-down-the-gcsb/
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July 26, 2013 8:53pm
Griff

Nasska’s wife is laying in bed when her husband comes home from the pub drunk with a sheep under his arm
He says “This is the dog Ive been shaging”
Wife says thats not a dog you drunk old bugger thats a sheep
Nasska says “I was talking to the sheep”
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July 26, 2013 8:54pm
nasska

Griff couldn’t sleep last night so he tried counting sheep…..unfortunately being Welsh he got a bit carried away.
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July 26, 2013 9:03pm
Griff

WAITAKERE CITY – OLYMPICS 2020
In an attempt to influence the members of the international Olympic committee on their choice of venue for the games in the year 2020, the organisers of Waitakere City’s bid have already drawn up an itinerary and schedule of events. A copy has been leaked andis reproduced below.
OPENING CEREMONY.
The Olympic flame will be ignited by a petrol bomb thrown by a native of the city (preferably from the New Lynn area), wearing the traditional balaclava. The flame will be contained in a large chip van situated on the roof of the stadium.
THE EVENTS.
In previous Olympic games, Waitakere’s competitors have notbeen particularly successful. In order to redress the balance, some of the events have been altered slightly to the advantage of local athletes.
100 METRES SPRINT.
Competitors will have to hold a video recorder and microwave oven (one in each arm) and on the sound of the starting pistol, a police dog will be released from a cage 10 yards behind the athletes.
100 METRES HURDLES.
As above but with added obstacles (ie. car bonnets, hedges, gardens, fences, walls etc.).
HAMMER THROW.
Competitors in this event may choose the type of hammer claw,sledge etc.). The winner will be the one who can cause the most grievous bodily harm to members of the public within the time allowed.
FENCING.
Entrants will be asked to dispose of as much stolen silver and jewellery as possible in 5 mins.
SHOOTING.
A strong challenge is expected from the local men in this event. The first target will be a moving police van. In the second round, competitors will aim at a post office clerk, bank teller or Securitas style wages delivery man.
BOXING.
Entry to the boxing will be restricted to husband and wife teams, and will take place on a Friday night. The husband will be given 15 pints of Lion Red while the wife will be told not to make him any tea when he gets home. The bout will then commence.
CYCLING TIME TRIALS.
Competitors will be asked to break into the Kelston Boy’s bike shed and take an expensive mountain bike owned by some mummy’s boy from he country on his first trip away from home. All against the clock.
CYCLING PURSUIT.
As above but the bike will be owned by a visiting member of the Australian rugby team, who will witness the theft.
MODERN PENTATHLON.
Amended to include mugging, breaking and entering, flashing, joyriding and arson.
THE MARATHON.
A safe route has yet to be decided, but the competitors will be issued with sharp sticks and bags with which to pick up litter on their way round the course.
SWIMMING.
Competitors will be thrown off a bridge over the Whau Creek. The first three survivors back will decide the medals.
MENS 50KM WALK.
Unfortunately this will have to be cancelled as the police cannot guarantee the safety of anyone walking the streets of Waitakere City.
GYMNASTICS.
Will now be held in an abandoned meat works, and will include carcass vaulting and swinging from meat hooks.
RHYTHMIC GYMNASTICS.
All competitors will be graded on their ability to sway drunkenly to Metallica.
RELAY.
Involves four competitors removing an appliance of their choice from a house in New Lynn and getting back to Titirangi using at least four stolen cars.
WRESTLING.
The rules will now specify that competitors must be topless and jelly will be involved.
BASEBALL.
Requires contestants to line up with steel baseball bats. The medal will be awarded to the last man standing.
DISCUS.
Will be decided by which contestant can get a hubcap off a Holden and throw it to his mate the fastest.
ROWING.
The 500 metre skull will be changed to the 500 litre skull and promises to be the most hotly contested event. Many, many, many athletes are currently in training.
THE CLOSING CEREMONY.
Entertainment will include formation rave-dancing by the members of the Titirangi Health in the Community anti-drug campaigners, synchronised rock throwing and music by the Henderson Community Choir. The Olympic flame will be extinguished by someone dropping an old washing machine onto it from the top floor of the block of flats next to the stadium. The stadium will be then boarded up before the local athletes break into it and remove all the copper piping and the central heating boiler.
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July 26, 2013 9:09pm
nasska

Sorry Griff but it was all going to come out in the open sooner or later! 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/3x1efn8plm8binq/Sheep%2021.jpg
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July 26, 2013 9:13pm
Griff

An Australian man won a ticket to the ALL BLACK vs THE WALLABIES game on Saturday. When he arrived he was a little disappointed as his ticket had him seated right at the back on the far right stand. Halfway thru the first half he noticed below him by the half way mark an empty seat. It was the best seat in the house! He made his way down to the empty seat and asked the Samoan man beside it, “Is anyone sitting here?”

“No fank you” the Samoan man answered.

So the Australian man sat down and after 30 mins he couldnt resist saying “Maaate! This is an awesome seat! Whoever gave it up must be CRAZY!”

The Samoan man replied “Well is pelongs to my wife, but she is bass away now.”

Feeling badly the Australian man asks “Couldnt you have asked a relative to come along with you?”

“No” replied the Samoan man.

The Australian man was confused and asked “Why not?”

The Samoan man replies “Begause dey all ko to da funeral”
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July 26, 2013 9:22pm
Manolo

A RINO speaks: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/07/chris-christie-rand-paul-2016-election-94789.html
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July 27, 2013 6:17am
Viking2

Matters of trust>

While the decision to put the copyright review on ice wasn’t surprising, it was surprising the reasons for the delay were removed from the Cabinet paper before its publication on MBIE’s website. An optimist would say the reasons are to give the politicians enough elbow room to negotiate a great deal for New Zealand, consistent with the path taken by our officials. A pessimist would say the politicians have already made the call to compromise local intellectual sovereignty in return for the getting the access they want for our big traditional exports.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/8968577/A-matter-of-trust-just-mind-the-jolt
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July 27, 2013 7:45am
Left Right and Centre

Redbaiter 10:16 am

Yes, well… you must be right. Only a moron would reply to an up-themselves unbearable fuckwit.
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