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Pete George

It was never my protest. Too late, too deceitful, too extreme.
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July 22, 2013 1:17pm
KiwiGreg

“Eduction drooped out at fifteen”
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July 22, 2013 1:20pm
Griff

Fail reid I expect better from you in future
I do admit that the word genius is bullshit I do find it a lot easier than most to learn stuff

Lewis Terman (1916) developed the original notion of IQ and proposed this scale for classifying IQ scores:

Over 140 – Genius or near genius

120 – 140 – Very superior intelligence

110 – 119 – Superior intelligence

90 – 109 – Normal or average intelligence

80 – 89 – Dullness

70 – 79 – Borderline deficiency

Under 70 – Definite feeble-mindedness dime and flipper
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July 22, 2013 1:23pm
bereal

This dork Griff is unique.

Claims to have an IQ of 145 but is close to illiterate.

Is a one subject obsessive compulsive.

Wins arguments in what passes for his mind by using his trump, “Yeah,
but you’ve got a small dick.”

If he wasn’t such a “I am so great.” he might even be funny. But sadly he is just
pathetic.

It’s not fair that you blokes taunt him. The poor sod take everything so personaly he
cannot help himsef rising to the bait.
Everytime a coconut.
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July 22, 2013 1:31pm
TheContrarian

Kea, I’m not parroting what I have been told but making a statement based on Palin’s ignorance, behaviour and inability to answer even the simplest questions. Obamas treatment by the media doesn’t make Palin any less of an idiot.
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July 22, 2013 1:34pm
dime

“IQ of 145+” – you hide it well.

Maybe your problem is that you are dumbing it down too much for the humble kiwiblog reader…

Which IQ test did you do? one where they ask general knowledge questions? or the one with shapes etc
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July 22, 2013 1:38pm
magsta

There’s lots of different iq tests… all with their own classification scales
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IQ_classification

I remember we were all given an IQ test at primary school (late 1960s), administered by Dept Education…. and when I reached high school we were given an official brown card to fill some detail in and told NOT to look at the other side……., which we all promptly did…. So I learnt I wasn’t a genius…..

I’ve always been suspicious of IQ ….. Some cultures aren’t concerned with IQ… and believe with hard work, most folk can achieve a level of understanding and mastery of skills that interest them or are of value to them.

Maggy Wassilieff
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July 22, 2013 1:38pm
Kleva Kiwi

http://guardianlv.com/2013/07/severe-earthquake-strikes-australia/

Clever little Americans…
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July 22, 2013 1:43pm
Griff

KiwiGreg
It is an unfortunate conundrum that those who are extremely intelligent do not necessarily fit into the norm.
I did not
http://www.rdos.net/eng/
I score very left field in this and all similar tests.
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/9.12/aspergers_pr.html
Aspergers syndrome effected my social interaction to a degree that I was effectively excluded from school
along with the typical small moter deficiency that rendered my hand writing illegible.
Now days kids who have the same syndrome get assistance. When I was at school they did not know about it.
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July 22, 2013 1:45pm
Griff

Is a one subject obsessive compulsive.
well done beryl you noticed my obsessive focus……
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July 22, 2013 1:48pm
bereal

Anyone ever tell Griff that his ‘I’ s are too close together ?
4 I s in one post.
C.mon Griff, you can do better than that.
!45 IQ and all that.
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July 22, 2013 1:53pm
dime

“Considering i am fifty” – how did you manage to survive global cooling? was it scawy back then?

you are a survivor griss, you even got through the hole in the ozone layer…

how did the world survive that without increasing taxes?

anyway, enough of fucking with griff 😀
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July 22, 2013 2:11pm
Reid

So what’s the first thing an American thinks of doing whenever something new heaves into view? That’s right…

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/07/20/faa-tells-colorado-residents-not-to-shoot-at-drones-or-risk-fines-jail/
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July 22, 2013 2:11pm
Redbaiter

“well done beryl you noticed my obsessive focus……”

Who couldn’t. Always all about Griff.

I couldn’t give a fuck if you were Stephen Hawkins, but if you think I or anyone gives any degree of credibility to your IQ claims you must be completely off you’re rocker.

Its what you say on here that counts and as far as that goes you’ve yet to rise above a zero rating.

Go away you silly little narcissistic bore.
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July 22, 2013 2:11pm
kowtow

Griff “drooped” out at 15 and clearly spent a disproportionate amount of time and money smoking the Sacred Weed since.

We now are obliged to suffer the consequences of his over indulgence in said “harmless” herb.
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July 22, 2013 2:17pm
Elaycee

Griff (11.41am):

The best drive I had by far was a P76 ! it made the yank and Aussie cars feel like the shit they were.

Did you forget the Leyland P-76 was actually designed and made by…… Leyland Australia?

Thought so… 😯
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July 22, 2013 2:18pm
mikenmild

You’ve got to cut Griff a bit of slack. At least he stands up for science against the denialists.
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July 22, 2013 2:20pm
RRM

Best engine donor car Australia ever made… 😉
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July 22, 2013 2:32pm
Redbaiter

“You’ve got to cut Griff a bit of slack.”

Fuck him. See that massive increase in your electricity charges?

Down to Griff and his ilk.

See the massive increase in your gas charges.

See the massive increase in the price of petrol and diesel?

All down to Griff and his ilk.

I’m not cutting any commie any slack, even if they do need mental health treatment.
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July 22, 2013 2:33pm
Griff

The p76 was designed by leyland a British company using British parts and design parameters not usa ones.
Compared to the shit that the Aussies where building like the fords and Holden and Chrysler they were a huge step forward.
remember Holden were a copy of Chevy as were the Chrysler and fords copy’s of the yank rubbish.
Light weight v8 ex buick weight the same as a ford four, rack and pinon steering, strut suspension Drove multiple times better than the crap Aussie was mostly building at the time. The oil shock of the seventy’s killed a fine car.

My dad had a Austin 2200 something that was rear as hens teeth
I lost my drivers license in it 😆 the cop could not believe that an Austin 1800 could do the ton so quickly
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July 22, 2013 2:44pm
Griff

Redbaiter
The massive increase of wait for it
14cents a ton of co2
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July 22, 2013 2:49pm
dime

Griff – ever been to china?
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July 22, 2013 2:51pm
Manolo

Griff is a demented person, a nutter whose weed-smoking has addled his brain beyond salvation.
The warmist fully deserves everybody’s opprobium.
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July 22, 2013 2:56pm
Griff

long term effect of smoking pot
1 loss of future thinking: Griff doesn’t suffer from that as he is more concerned about the future than the rest of you losers
2 loss of short term memory function : griff had a photographic memory as normal for a high functioning aspie its now shit like the rest of yours.

Long term effect of piss drinking
wide range of neuropsychiatric or neurological impairment:
major depression, dysthymia, mania, hypomania, panic disorder, phobias, generalized anxiety disorder, personality disorders, schizophrenia, suicide, neurologic deficits (e.g. impairments of working memory, emotions, executive functions, visuospatial abilities and gait and balance) and brain damage.

Sounds like a lot of piss heads on here – brain damage ! poor mumbling piss heads. 😆
Grow up you retards your piss drinking is measurable worse for you and yours than my pot smoking. FACT
http://media.economist.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/original-size/20101106_WOC504_0.gif
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July 22, 2013 3:13pm
mikenmild

Griff
As with climate change, your science-based approach to marijuana versus alcohol will win you few friends on Kiwiblog.
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July 22, 2013 3:16pm
Kea

Griff boasts :

IQ 145+ that makes me officially a genius and you moron?

IQ may give some indication of potential, but not a persons ability or the application of their knowledge. That is why many child genius do not go on to acheive at a high level. In fact, many become quite nutty and are social misfits.

I judge Griff on his thinking, not his [claimed] IQ. Though the figure may have diminished after years of constant cannabis abuse. 🙂
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July 22, 2013 3:18pm
Griff

I am not here to make friends miky
now I am out as an aspie you can figure out why 😆
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July 22, 2013 3:22pm
Harriet

With Shearer getting a jackboot up the arse – then every other half-decent productive person in NZ can expect to get one on the face.

The Gillard Group better think twice about what they’re doing. 😎
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July 22, 2013 3:25pm
Griff

Kea are you going to tell us who the fraudulent scientists you told us about are? I proved that Selby is a ripoff merchant and Cristy and Spencer are religious nutters your tern to actually back your bullshit nutwhack.
You could try claiming dr M Manns is a fraud for the hockey stick except he is presently suing for libel so I would suggest we wait for a result to see if the courts back him or the denial nutters.

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2013/07/20/2332511/dc-court-bluntly-affirms-michael-manns-right-to-proceed-in-defamation-lawsuit-against-national-review-and-cei/

There is sufficient evidence presented that is indicative of “actual malice. The CEI Defendants have consistently accused Plaintiff of fraud and inaccurate theories, despite Plaintiff’s work having been investigated several times and found to be proper. The CEI Defendants’ persistence despite the EPA and other investigative bodies’ conclusion that Plaintiff’s work is accurate (or that there is no evidence of data manipulation) is equal to a blatant disregard for the falsity of their statements. Thus, given the evidence presented the Court finds that Plaintiff could prove “actual malice.”
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July 22, 2013 3:31pm
Harriet

“You’ve got to cut Griff a bit of slack.”

Yep….so we can keep seeing him hang himself….with a hemp noose! 😎
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July 22, 2013 3:38pm
Pete George

Jessica Mutch TVNZ ‏@MutchJessica
Peter Dunne says he will support GCSB bill with “major changes”.

Key signaled this earlier today. Not surprising from a pair of pragmatists. It will be interesting to see what the changes are.
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July 22, 2013 3:40pm
bereal

Griff @ 10.59

How can a near genius with a self declared IQ of 145 be so abjectly wrong regarding the
reasons for the demise of Detroit ?

As luck would have it some of the actual reasons were discussed on Huckabee, Sky tv, channel 88
this afternoon.

It will be repeated at 7.00 pm tonight.

Can you concentrate for 10 minutes Griff ?

Watch it and educate yourself.

Anyway, that’s my charitable act for the day done. i tried.
i know you can lead a genius horse with an IQ of 145 to water but
you can’t make it drink. (It could be too stupid to drink)

(It could also be a big help to my mate Reid @ 11.36)
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July 22, 2013 3:41pm
liarbors a joke

aww no way…if you looked up pig in the dictionary there would be a picture of a Leyland P76 ! next to it a Leyland Princess !!
The only good thing ( and I mean only ) to come out of a P.76 was the 3.5 V8 alloy..the rest was shite.
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July 22, 2013 4:01pm
Elaycee

@Griff (2.44pm) – your memory is rooted.

The name of the P76 derived from the car’s codename while in development (Project 76). The official line was that the P76 was an original Australian designed and built Large Family Car, with no overseas counterpart and that P76 stood for “Project 1976”.

The P-76 was designed for and to specifications penned by Leyland Australia. It was to compete against the Valiant / Ford and Holden, family sized cars of the time. It was designed and built to conform to Australian Design Rules. The designer was an Italian (Giovanni Michelotti) who was an independent car designer who had his own business in Milan and designed cars and trucks for several marques including Scammell, BMW and Leyland. He was one of the most prolific designers of sports cars in the 20th century. Born in Turin, Italy, Michelotti worked for a number of design houses, notably Vignale, before opening his own design studio in Italy. He was among the automobile designers who would work for various manufacturers as an independent designer rather than working from established studios.

The parts for the P-76 included the American Buick V8 engine that was also slotted in to the Rover 3500. The transmissions for the P-76 were manufactured by Borg Warner (Australia); the live axle was made in Australia, the McPherson struts in Australia, the brakes in Australia and even the panels were made of aluminium (and stamped / shaped in Australia).

It is possible that your own ‘experience’ with the P-76 was with a 6 cylinder engine from the Kimberley (an engine that was better suited as a boat anchor). But the cars were built at Leyland Australia’s factory at Zetland (Sydney). Leyland UK actually considered importing them (the V8s) during the 1970’s but were put off by the supposed fuel crisis at the time. If you knew your stuff, you’d also know that the launch of the P-76 was one of the biggest marketing flops of all time. But suggesting the P-76 was somehow a Pom car, is bollocks.

But I suspect you knew that. 😀
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July 22, 2013 4:01pm
Pete George

The GCSB changes:

The Prime Minister has agreed to major amendments to the GCSB Bill which mean that he will now be able to support the legislation through its remaining stages in Parliament.

Mr Dunne says that as well as the addition of a set of guiding principles into the legislation and the establishment of a two person advisory panel to assist the Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security, the Prime Minister has now agreed to the following additional amendments to the legislation which Mr Dunne will move during the Bill’s committee of the whole stage:

• The removal of the proposed Order in Council mechanism which would have allowed other agencies to be added to the list of agencies able to request assistance from the GCSB. Any additions beyond the Police, SIS and NZ Defence Force will now be required to be made by a specific amendment to the legislation, and not just by regulation as the Bill currently proposes.

• To ensure effective oversight in the issuing of a warrant the Bill will be amended so that the Inspector General is informed when a warrant is put on the register relating to a New Zealander.

• The GCSB will be required to report annually on the number of instances when it has provided assistance to the Police, SIS or NZ Defence Force.

• The GCSB will also be required to report annually on the number of warrants and authorisations issued.

• The Intelligence and Security Committee will hold public hearings annually to discuss the financial reviews of the performance of the GCSB and the SIS.

• There will be an independent review of the operations and performance the GCSB and the NZSIS and their governing legislation in 2015, and thereafter every 5-7 years.

In addition, Mr Dunne will be working alongside the Minister of Justice on the issues raised by the Law Commission’s 2010 report “Invasion of Privacy: Penalties and Remedies.” This review will include the definition of private communication (and metadata) to ensure a standard definition is developed for insertion in the GCSB and NZSIS Acts, and all relevant legislation such as the Crimes Act and the Search and Surveillance Act.

At first glance this seems to address all the major issues raised by various critics of the bill (including me).

More details: http://yournz.org/2013/07/22/dunne-to-support-gcsb-bill-after-major-changes/
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July 22, 2013 4:09pm
bereal

Christopher Langan, man with the highest IQ in USA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Langan

and he believes in God.

Another American with an IQ around 200 (forget his name offhand) lives in a one room
hut in the mountains of Colarado and has devoted his life to proving the existence of God
through the use of mathmatics.
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July 22, 2013 4:13pm
Griff

have you driven one? compared it to say a hq Holden or vh vialent?
or even driven the six cylinder princess?
one thing you obviously dont know is the p76 was a 4.4 l v8 or the 2.6l six
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July 22, 2013 4:18pm
Reid

At first glance this seems to address all the major issues raised by various critics of the bill (including me).

Wow, that’s made a simply massive diff, Pete. Our pwivacy has been saved by the calm and weasonable appwoach of the other Peter! Hooway! One puzzling thing though, what objections did you have that the other Peter didn’t have and is it just a coincidence that everything the other Peter had just happens to agwee with your learned and weasoned position?

Anyhoo, I guess you can call off your dumb pwotest now, can’t you. Or maybe just leave it to the other galloping mentals, now they’ve gone and hijacked it. Wasn’t that disgwaceful. The big meanies.
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July 22, 2013 4:25pm
nasska

Elaycee

A boat anchor….you flatter the marque! The Tasman & the Kimberley would have been the biggest heaps of crap ever dreamt up by the poms (& there was plenty of competition).

Ref: http://www.aronline.co.uk/articles/x6_art2.jpg
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July 22, 2013 4:25pm
nasska

Griff

As has been pointed out above, the fuel crisis that coincided with the launch of the P76 killed it off instantly. They were ahead of their time but even the diehard enthusiasts who clung to their cars would be pushed to describe them as reliable….similar in that respect to the Mk4 Zephyr.

I concede that the smallblock alloy V8 was a honey.
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July 22, 2013 4:33pm
Harriet

“…..Christopher Langan, man with the highest IQ in USA

and he believes in God.

Another American with an IQ around 200 (forget his name offhand) lives in a one room
hut in the mountains of Colarado and has devoted his life to proving the existence of God
through the use of mathmatics…..”

There’s a few around here that are quite smart too!

Just sayin. 😎
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July 22, 2013 4:36pm
Griff

British Leyland Australia’s p76
Vrs fords falcon based on the American falcon floorpan and runing gear
Chrysler based on the dodge compacts and Holden which was developed from the comaro floor pan .

It was a Australian car designed in England built in Australia as apposed to the competition which were American designed. The trans and diffs were actually borgward the same as those in the falcon and Chrysler .

As to the Kimberly /Tasman.

Based on the Austin 2200 I mentioned driving earlier with a slightly modified body and strangely a metric threaded engine as apposed to the British imperial thread wolesly /Austin 2200 ones.
Yes the six was a heap of shit the oil pump was weak causing engine failure. the cam oiling was also a problem with them.
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July 22, 2013 4:43pm
Reid

Does anyone see anything sinister in the Ontario Deputy Minister of Education developing a new sex education curriculum? How about if he gets charged with making child porn, as-in, not just distributing it but arranging for children to be raped? Does it matter then? Does it make any difference if the brand new curriculum says stuff like that below? Does that say anything about the motives behind people who advocate for similar curricula material in our schools? Does it say anything about someone’s naivity if they don’t see any connection?

The new curriculum is clear on this. A wide range of sexual preferences are to be taught in an encouraging way, and any resistance — be it religious, cultural or just a child’s squeamishness with such adult subjects — is to be reformed and corrected by teachers.

Grade 6 kids will be taught masturbation; Grade 7 kids about anal sex, as opposed to vaginal intercourse, in a discussion about abstaining from sexual activity. Not objectively, but in an advocacy model.

http://ezralevant.com/2013/07/innocence-violated-charges-aga.html

How come we’re not allowed to let kids be kids anymore? What harm was done to us, by the sex education we used to get from our parents and the schools were kept right out of it? What business does the state have, in this very personal, very private parental matter?
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July 22, 2013 4:45pm
Kea

nasska, ahhhh the fuel crisis in the 70’s. Carless days and and all that stuff. The consensus was we were running out of oil.

USA peak oil production[edit]In 1970, the USA went through its oil production peak and this is now considered as the prime reason for the first oil shock by historians and industry experts

Errrrrrrrr

Oil and natural gas production rose faster in the United States last year than anywhere in the world. It was also the biggest gain in oil production in the nation’s history, according to an annual review by BP PLC released Wednesday.

Daily U.S. oil production rose by 1 million barrels of oil in 2012, BP said in its Statistical Review of World Energy. The United States also led in natural-gas production growth, and kept its place as the world’s largest natural-gas producer.

At the same time, U.S. energy demand fell 2.8% last year, the largest decline in the world. Most energy demand growth took place in emerging markets, with China and India alone accounting for nearly 90% of the net increase in global energy consumption last year, the review said.

http://blogs.marketwatch.com/energy-ticker/2013/06/12/bp-review-u-s-tops-global-oil-gas-production-growth/

U.S. Posts Record Year for Oil Growth

BP is adding to the chorus of amazed U.S. oil watchers.

The energy giant’s Statistical Review of World Energy, which has been being published for more than six decades, is the latest report to signal a shift in world energy markets as a result of the U.S. shale oil boom.

According to BP, U.S. crude oil production last year recorded the largest increase in the world and the nation’s history at more than one million barrels a day. Production totaled 8.9 million barrels a day, a 14% jump year-over-year.

Read more: http://www.foxbusiness.com/industries/2013/06/13/us-posts-record-year-for-oil-growth/#ixzz2ZkMUPDvA

I guess you have to be a “genius” to understand it, just like the climate scientist back then warning of an Ice Age 🙂
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July 22, 2013 4:50pm
iMP

Big earthquake in China this afternoon, has killed and injuried. 6.5.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/big-earthquake-in-china-20-deaths-300-injuries/
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July 22, 2013 4:54pm
Griff

The oil crisis of the seventy’s was brought about by opec restricting supply.
It had nothing to do with quantity available to be pumped every thing to do with the towel heads flexing their muscles for more return on the oil they sold.
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July 22, 2013 4:56pm
Pete George

You’re being a dick Weid.

The aim of Parliament is to get the best legislation possible. That usually involves negotiation, and in this case a pair of pragmatists sorted things out fairly well so far (not finished yet) – it’s a big improvement on what it was.
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July 22, 2013 4:57pm
Reid

…it’s a big improvement on what it was.

Pete, it makes precisely zero diff to whether or not information is gathered on you. I told you how it works, they vacuum up every single thing. Web searches, downloads, browsing history, emails, SMS, mobile data, social media, credit/debit transactions, CCTV, GPS and medical data; and they’re not going to stop just cos silly ole NZ has put in a stupid law for the sheeple. And if they want to monitor a NZer without applying for a warrant so they can do it on the quiet, why they’ll just ask one of the UKUSA partners to do it for them.

It’s quite obvious to almost everyone that Dunne is grandstanding on this to distract the public from his recent philandering and the only people who don’t get that are the less than a thousand idiots in Ohariu who will give him their vote. And I doubt that even their collective IQ would total above 70, which makes all of them hovering between Borderline deficiency and Definite feeble-mindedness in Griff’s helpful scale above. And they’re the only people in Wgtn who don’t see straight through Dunne’s pathetically transparent pretence that he gives a flying about privacy. The only thing he gives a flying about is not being sniggered at as he walks down the street but perhaps he should have thought of that before writing all those emails.

I wouldn’t particularly care under normal circumstances. I’ve never rated Dunne and hey, he’s not the first politician to do the dirty on his wife and he won’t be the last. But what gets me is his dishonesty in continuing to represent himself as an honest, upright man with integrity who really cares about the democratic process. Because if he did, he would have just shut up for the rest of the Parliament and then resigned at the next election. But he chose not to do that, so fuck him, I’ll expose the philandering little prick at every opportunity, and I might even do it rather loudly from the back at his public meetings, if he decides to put himself forward in 2014 as the upright man for Ohariu.
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July 22, 2013 5:16pm
Longknives

Fletch at 12:13 is the funniest thing I’ve seen on Kiwiblog for a while- Watch the drooling leftie ‘reporter’ go into a state of panic and terminate the interview when asked what his hero ‘The Messiah’ Obama has actually done…
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July 22, 2013 5:20pm
bhudson

Was that Hillary Barry on Tv3 News who just asked “Is that a guarantee there will be no more earthquakes?”

In the words of the great JM “You cannot be serious!”
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July 22, 2013 6:06pm
Kea

“Griff (5,326) Says:
July 22nd, 2013 at 4:56 pm
The oil crisis of the seventy’s was brought about by opec restricting supply.”

Better contact Wiki with that info Griff. Though I notice they did mention all that in the article.

Do you “deny” the Peak Oil scare every happened ?
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July 22, 2013 6:06pm
nickb

Key signaled this earlier today. Not surprising from a pair of pragmatists. It will be interesting to see what the changes are.

Oh dear, goodness gracious me…. As I have been pointing out for the last week, I suspected UF’s previous opposition to the GCSB Bill were window-dressing and in no way related to any concern for the civil liberties of kiwis… Point proved today by the political whore.

PG, for someone supposedly close to the inner workings of UF, you don’t seem to get much warning on policy flip flops?
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July 22, 2013 6:14pm
Griff

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1973_oil_crisis
The 1973 oil crisis started in October 1973, when the members of Organization of Arab Petroleum Exporting Countries or the OAPEC (consisting of the Arab members of OPEC, plus Egypt, Syria and Tunisia) proclaimed an oil embargo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carless_days_in_New_Zealand
Carless days were introduced by the Muldoon government of New Zealand on 30 July 1979. The enabling legislation was one of several unsuccessful attempts to help the declining New Zealand economy after the oil shocks of the late 1970s – other such policies included the Think Big strategy.
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July 22, 2013 6:19pm
liarbors a joke

dollars pushing .80 again…price of fuel still at record high…why !?

Oil companies….rogues , robbers and cads.
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July 22, 2013 6:21pm
cha

The consensus was we were running out of oil.

Err, no…but then you’re a semi-literate cretin aren’t you.

From 1970 to 1973 exporting countries increased their control over supply (through agreements and nationalizing production). As a result, their revenues from crude oil became more linked to the actual market price for refined oil. In October 1973, six Persian Gulf members of OPEC met and raised the amount they charged the oil companies. Also in October, in response to the fourth Arab-Israeli war, the Arab governments ordered oil production cutbacks and placed an embargo on oil shipments to the United States and the Netherlands.

http://wps.aw.com/aw_carltonper_modernio_4/21/5566/1424964.cw/content/index.html
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July 22, 2013 6:25pm
Reid

Was that Hillary Barry on Tv3 News who just asked “Is that a guarantee there will be no more earthquakes?”

Idiots aren’t they bhudson. Just like some teachers and some academics, some journalists seem to have no idea how the real world works, but they think they do.
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July 22, 2013 6:35pm
bhudson

Wow, those Aussies sure do seem to love Kevin Rudd. Perhaps he’s not so much a narcissistic personality as he is, in fact, their saviour…

[From twitter]
Roy Morgan ‏@roymorganonline 1m

Morgan Poll 2PP: ALP 52.5%, L-NP 47.5%. No change in a week. Links coming soon. #auspol
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July 22, 2013 6:57pm
bhudson

I guess KRudd’s performance just goes to provide ol’ Abe right and that you can fool some of the people all of the time.
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July 22, 2013 7:00pm
wiseowl

liabors a joke@ 6.21.
It’s not the fact that the dollar influences fuel it’s the TAX on fuel that no one talks about.

The amount of tax on fuel is helping kill the economy.Once you give the pollies the ability to tax they can’t help themselves.
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July 22, 2013 7:57pm
nasska

The BNP have announced that they want to repatriate Muslims to a new state in the Arctic: Arcticstan.
The new state will have months of 24 hour sunlight.
A spokesman from the BNP said, “Ramadan looks very promising.”
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July 22, 2013 8:00pm
Left Right and Centre

Heartbreaking scenes of unimaginable carnage and devastation on the streets of Wellington during One News.
As viewers looked on in utter horror and disbelief…
The cleanup is estimated to take days or even weeks…
The scale of the tragedy is inescapable..
Grotesque images, sickening pictures….
The awesome power of mother nature to deliver crippling blows and claim another victim, revealing once again the delicate and fragile side of mankind…
These shaky isles..
Oh the humanity..

Of Wendy Petrie’s hair in Wellington’s wind. sheesh… they could’ve sent Dallow….
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July 22, 2013 8:05pm
Redbaiter

“It’s not the fact that the dollar influences fuel it’s the TAX on fuel that no one talks about.”

http://truebluenz.com/2011/05/08/fuel-price-comparison-of-government-taxes-and-oil-company-profits/

Oil costs money too to find and get to the surface.
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July 22, 2013 8:05pm
Griff

but then you’re a semi-literate cretin aren’t you.

perceptive cha although I much prefer a screen licking moron much more descriptive of keas mental capacity dont ya think.
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July 22, 2013 8:09pm
nasska

By the link it looks like Baity’s trying to resurrect his bombsite of a blog. 🙂
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July 22, 2013 8:14pm
Kea

I am enjoying the Peak Oil deniers tonight 🙂

I will not insult the intelligence of readers by posting a zillion links to articles claiming the oil is running out. Or how that changed to AGW and how we must stop using all that oil, all the while oil production reaches record levels and massive deposits are found constantly. It would ruin all the fun. 🙂
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July 22, 2013 8:16pm
Griff

Funny numbers there reddy
your numbers came via Sen. Rand Paul’s and you have fucked them up even more.
it ignores the profit they make from crude and refining Only taking into account the profit on gas once its refined.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443687504577563383982418536.html
In a February 2011 report called “What’s Up with Gas Prices?” the American Petroleum Institute reported that on average oil and gas companies earned about “6 cents for every dollar of sales” — not every gallon — in the third quarter of 2010. Rayola Dougher, API’s senior economist, said she arrived at that figure by dividing net income by total revenues for about two dozen integrated oil companies and independent producers. By her unofficial calculations, Dougher said, the average so far in the first quarter of this year is 7.6 cents per dollar of sales. “If you are a producer and getting more money for a barrel your profits go up,” she said.
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July 22, 2013 8:25pm
nasska

The poor buggers living in the vicinity of Seddon won’t be getting a lot of sleep tonight. Things are still banging off there…..looks like they’re averaging a ‘moderate’ aftershock every half hour.
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July 22, 2013 8:26pm
Left Right and Centre

Truth or Fiction:

“Shit this two hour X Factor finale is can’t miss TV gold”.
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July 22, 2013 8:28pm
Left Right and Centre

nasska 8:26 pm If the power’s still out they could always try another form of banging off. Did the earth move for you?
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July 22, 2013 8:30pm
nasska

….”Did the earth move for you?”….

In no sense of the phrase LR&C. 🙂
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July 22, 2013 8:33pm
Left Right and Centre

Neither Griff or Kea are ‘screen licking morons’… ok? Play nice children.
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July 22, 2013 8:36pm
Kea

Griff I think the American Petroleum Institute is pretty much an accepted authority on fuel prices. As opposed to those demanding “Climate Justice” [sic].

Global warming is real, and caused by capitalism
Socialism needed to save the environment

http://pslweb.org/liberationnews/news/global-warming-is-real.html
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July 22, 2013 8:38pm
Kea

nasska, yeah the folks living close to the quake centre are not getting much media attention. Hardy rural people are not prone to making a fuss. Imagine if it hit Auckland ! 🙂

I was speaking with an Auckland friend this morning. She said it was foggy, but they were coping.
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July 22, 2013 8:42pm
nasska

How very brave of her Kea. 🙂
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July 22, 2013 8:44pm
Elaycee

@Griff:

It was a Australian car designed in England

Er, no. As pointed out already, it was designed to an Australian spec by an independent Italian designer living and working in Milan. So stop being a cock and trying to rewrite history.

And despite your efforts to extol its virtues, the P-76 was not memorable. The Buick 215 V8 used for the Project 76 cars by Leyland Australia had a mechanical fuel pump and the gasket between the pump and the block had a habit of failing. The resulting mixture of fuel and oil in the sump had a habit or running the bearings. Ask anyone who tried to race one in the 1970’s – they will have similar tales of woe. And as they were not fitted with electric fuel pumps as a factory option, the homologation rules of the day meant the (fitted) mechanical pump could not be replaced.

As I said before, the Buick 215 V8 used in the P-76 was lightweight and it subsequently became the basis of several race engines. Mickey Thompson entered a car powered by the Buick 215 in the 1962 Indianapolis 500. From 1946 to 1962 there had not been a single stock-block car entered in the 500, but in 1962 the Buick 215 was the only non-Offenhauser powered entry in the field of 33 cars. Rookie driver Dan Gurney qualified eighth and raced well for 92 laps before retiring with transmission problems.

This same Buick 215 engine was subsequently developed and used in road cars including the TVR, Morgan, Land Rover, MG and Rover 3500 etc. And yes, later models were definitely fitted with an electric fuel pump!

The marketing cock up was that Leyland Australia launched the P-76 at a time they had no stock. Leyland Australia dealers sold the car off a brochure – and accepted deposits from customers across Australia. But, because of a series of union strikes (esp at the Sydney plant), they had no stock to sell and potential buyers were so pissed off with the delays, they asked for refunds. The P-76 never recovered. It’s remembered in history as a lemon – with good reason. In parallel to the union strikes, the fuel crisis of the day scared potential buyers away from V8 powered cars.

The rest, as they say is history.
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July 22, 2013 8:46pm
Griff

keep up screen licker go to true pooh and read reds story.
He maintains that oil company’s only make around 2 cents a gallon not the 6 cents a dollar quoted from the oil institute.
Ps usa liquid gallon = 3.79l not 4.546l like an imperial gallon.
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July 22, 2013 8:52pm
Left Right and Centre

Kea 8:42 pm Yeah… that’s about right. Although Sunday evening on the radio some stupid cow from Masterton… you might’ve thought David Grey was back and outside their place trying to get her. “I want to leave town, but then they’re saying you can feel them as far north as Hamilton” then she started crying on the line “We’re just so scared”. Far out.

I thought the ride at Rainbow’s End where it takes you to the top of the tower and drops to the ground was nasty. An earthquake has got nothing on anything like that. People like her should piss off somewhere with near zero earthquake risk. She’s like a child, not an adult. Totally falling to pieces over small quakes. It’s a bit pathetic really.
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July 22, 2013 8:56pm
Left Right and Centre

Seddon had some *actual damage*. It would’ve made sense for Wendy Petrie to get sent there… but you’d need to first explain to the locals that she’s not some alien life form sent by Ken Ring…
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July 22, 2013 9:00pm
Kea

How very brave of her Kea.

nasska, Those Indian girls are very stoic when it comes to work.

Another Auckland friend visited Welly for a weekend recently. She reported it was not warm and further noted a light zephyr. She is slowly coming right, but is unlikely to leave Auckland again, other than popping home to Singapore. But it was very brave of her to attempt it 🙂
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July 22, 2013 9:02pm
Kea

LRC, yep, a Japanese office worker would not even look up from their desk for anything under a 7 !
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July 22, 2013 9:04pm
nasska

Obviously your love life will lead to frequent flyer points & a Koru Club membership if you have to commute to Auckland as your groin dictates Kea.

Perhaps you should invest in a sheep & save the planet from the CO2 emissions. 🙂
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July 22, 2013 9:16pm
Kea

nasska, no it only leads to a depleted bank balance and cattle class. It sounds way more exciting when you say it out loud 😉
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July 22, 2013 9:22pm
Griff

Elaycee
did you actually own one?
I did a super v8 three speed in “Hairy Lime” believe me in beat the pants of the competition in handling economy comfort and safety compared to a falcon xa Holden hq and Valiant
As I pointed out Leyland Australia was a British company whereas the other Aussie cars were modified yank sourced platforms.
The official line it was an all Aussie effort but I actually doubt the official story line. After all most Aussies think the commodore was an Aussie car not a copy of an opal from Germany.
http://peking2parisp76.blogspot.co.nz/ still out there still a capable car.
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July 22, 2013 9:29pm
Kea

Griff used to be good solid petrol head, until he went to the science fiction movie An Inconvenient Truth while stonned off his face. He made his date walk home after the movie and never came right.

Bit of a shame 🙂
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July 22, 2013 9:35pm
axeman

Gored … again 🙂
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1010553_563623917022872_296925274_n.png
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July 22, 2013 10:15pm
Griff

axenuckle you just notice the big red thingy in the sky did you?

Tell you a secret if you promise to keep it to your self.

Climate scientist know its there because strangely enough its were all the warmth comes from.

we like to call it the sun in NZ what do you call it in fuckknuckle land ?

😆

Why dont you tell us who you really are. Its quite strange that you only comment late at night and only on climate change.
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July 22, 2013 10:26pm
Kea

axeman, you conspirawacky conservanutter fuckywitty screen licker, the Sun does not warm the earth, NZ sheep farts do ! That is “climate science” 101 🙂
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July 22, 2013 10:29pm
Griff

oh axeknuckle we are having quite a good little discussion about dr M Mann suing nutters. Is he suing your boss by any chance?
So what is Labour’s policy on oil and drilling? Is the posted topic today for us obsessive climate change nutters. go read the link you might find it fun 😆
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July 22, 2013 10:31pm
Elaycee

The official line it was an all Aussie effort but I actually doubt the official story line.

Jeez Griff – you seem to make a habit of pushing doors marked ‘PULL”….

First you claimed that the P-76 was designed in the UK. We know that’s bollocks and I’ve provided you with the facts.

Then you suggest the car was based on British components – bollocks again. The panels were made in Australia/ engine in the USA / McPherson struts in Australia / Transmission in Australia / Live axle assembly in Australia / Brakes in Australia / Upholstery in Australia / Glass in Australia / and so on… Even the assembly jigs were made at the Zetland plant in Sydney. But maybe the instruments were Smiths – and made in the UK! Does that mean it’s now a ‘UK’ car in your eyes??? Yikes!

Now you ask whether I’ve ‘owned’ one – given your claim to have an IQ at stratospheric levels, I would have thought you could join the dots all by yourself and recognise I’ve had my hands dirty on a P-76 and on the Buick 215 engine.

Or maybe you haven’t seen the dots at all……. 😯
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July 22, 2013 10:35pm
axeman

Just here to take the piss out of autistards like you gwiffucknuckle 🙂

And as for another of your heroes Dr Mann, is he going to sue the Sun also? 🙂
http://www.thegwpf.org/study-arctic-climate-sea-ice-extent-related-solar-activity/

Mann and his cronies thought they could just institute Strategic Lawsuit Against Public Participation (SLAPP) lawsuits on their detractors. In other words, they wish to intimidate into silence those who disagree with them with the cost of the lawsuit. However, lawsuits are like riding tigers. You can’t just get off and say….I was only kidding! There are counter suits and in “U.S. law there is the pre-trial phase in which each party, can obtain evidence from the opposing party by means of interrogatories, requests for production of documents, requests for admissions and depositions. Discovery can be obtained from non-parties using subpoenas.” “When discovery requests are objected to, the requesting party may seek the assistance of the court by filing a motion to compel discovery.” Discovery can be devastating.

Mann will now have to produce papers and e-mails he has been trying to hide for years, including all the e-mails he has been hiding from Virginia Attorney General Cuccinelli with the help of the University of Virginia, claiming this is an attempt to infringe on scientific freedom.

In the Canadian case he instituted against Dr. Tim Ball, he still hasn’t turned over the documents required by the courts, and Ball didn’t choose the ‘fair comment’ defence. Canada’s rules regarding libel allows someone can choose “The Truth Defence to Libel”, which “places a higher – more onerous – evidential burden on the parties. This means any and all evidence demanded by either party in the on going discovery process must be revealed. So effective can the “truth defence” be that some cynics refer to it as the “scorched earth” defence.”

He will now have to face this issue in two countries. Mann will now have the opportunity to either destroy his detractors, or he is going to bring himself and his cronies down into the pit.
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July 22, 2013 11:03pm
Griff

Fail we are both wrong 😆
The motor and trans were manufactured in England only assembled in Aussie as far as i can ascertain
most parts are from pommy/aussie cars very little was specific to the p76 except body and upholstery

Yes it was built in Aussie by an English company not a yank one so in that respect yes its as Aussie as pavlova or phar lap
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July 22, 2013 11:28pm
Griff

He will now have to face this issue in two countries. Mann will now have the opportunity to either destroy his detractors, or he is going to bring himself and his cronies down into the pit.

destroy the dick heads will be the result how do you think they will like being forced to release all internal documents to Manns attorney 😆
we already have had multiple inquires into manns work that the institute demanded. The discovery and inquires have already been done on mann now its their turn. they will not have a leg to stand on 😆 bye bye national review bye bye institute just like heartland when you get caught being a naughty denial nutters no one will fund you any more. good fuckin job
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July 22, 2013 11:38pm
Manolo

More pain awaits at the pump: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/07/22/falling-us-stockpiles-hot-money-influx-keeps-oil-above-108-barrel/
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July 23, 2013 6:18am
Manolo

The Kenyan’s miserable legacy: food stamps for all.
http://michellemalkin.com/2013/07/21/illinois-awarded-4-2-million-federal-bonus-for-only-misspending-52-million-on-food-stamps/
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July 23, 2013 6:38am
Viking2

MASSIVE PROJECT FINISHED .
The valve hall for Transpower’s recently completed $600 million Pole 3 electricity project, at the Haywards substation, was revealed to about 100 industry leaders, customers, staff and key contractors at a ribbon-cutting ceremony just north of Wellington yesterday.

The Pole 3 inter-island power link is a critical part of the electricity system which allows New Zealand to be one of the highest producers of renewable power in the world, at about 80 per cent.

And Transpower chief executive Patrick Strange joked that if there was another big quake during the ceremony they were in the best place possible. But everyone should “just make way while I jump into the building”.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8950321/600m-Pole-3-project-built-to-cope-with-the-big-one
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