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kowtow

Manolo ,you beat me to it. I just found this one on the UK Daily Telegraph on Obummers’ corrupt appointment of a fund raiser to the UK.
“The President has no intention of living up to his own rhetoric”.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/nilegardiner/100224994/barack-obama-insults-britain-again-with-a-shameless-nomination-of-top-donor-as-us-ambassador-to-london/
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July 21, 2013 3:46pm
Reid

traitor (ˈtreɪtə)
— n
a person who is guilty of treason or treachery, in betraying friends, country, a cause or trust, etc

Wussell and Shearer ARE treacherous traitors because they know the value of the intel because they see it and notwithstanding, still play up to their fucked-in-the-head electorates who have no idea of the damage that would arise from a compromised intel-gathering effort. Wussell and Shearer don’t have to do this to get elected. No galloping mentals are going to join their stupid lefty bandwagons for this reason and this reason alone. But they do it not because they give a fuck about privacy but because their idiot band of voters expect them to. But just because their voters are fucked in the head doesn’t mean their every itch has to be catered to. I mean, would Wussell advocate destroying the economy? Of course not, because then people would recognise his roaring mentalism. But with something invisible, that very few understand, he can get away with it. This is why they’re traitors, Yoza and you would think so as well if you weren’t so mental yourself.

New Zealand is too far from anywhere to bother about being the recipient of a flood of boat people.

Look you gormless moron, they HAVE boats already that are capable of making the journey but Australia has interdicted them. Otherwise THEY WOULD ALREADY HAVE ARRIVED. And now that Australia has permanently shut off the traffikers source of revenue, where the fuck else do you think their eyes are going to turn toward? Der.

And BTW, flipper was referring to another comment, not the immigration one, idiot. A fail on all fronts isn’t it Yoza. Awwwwwwwww.
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July 21, 2013 3:50pm
Griff

Flippy did you type that all by yourself
😆
nut whack
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July 21, 2013 3:52pm
kowtow

Last night on TVNZ news they used the term “illegal boat people”. Up to now it’s been “asylum seekers”. Note the insertion of “illegal”.

Do I detect a subtle TVNZ endorsement of Krudd’s latest policy flip flop? Krudd, who opened the borders to the illegal immigrants who is now in his unseemly quest for power, turning away?
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July 21, 2013 3:54pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/world-war-two/10191547/World-War-Two-code-breaker-Alan-Turing-set-to-be-pardoned-for-his-gay-conviction.html

And rightly so, this mans work probably saved thousands of lives BUT how to you pardon one person without pardoning everyone else who was convicted of the same offence. Poor headline from the Telegraph too , he was convicted of what was an indecency at the time not of “gay”

All very noble and that but I would have thought impractical, unfair and 61 years too late for Alan Turing. Another case of politicians buggering (sorry) around when they should be governing for today.
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July 21, 2013 4:00pm
Reid

PS: One of the main reasons Curly and Moe are doing it is because Key is the sponsor of the bill and Liarbore’s #1 strategic imperative is to discredit Key by any means, fair or foul.

Which again, is a weak venal short-term political driver for a bill that has long-term national security import.

If that’s not treacherous traitory, then what is?
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July 21, 2013 4:02pm
bhudson

@Reid,

Well ain’t that the truth. Labour create the problem, have almost all of the suspect cases under their watch, and then refuse to be party to fixing their mess in order to try to score some political points.

And still they don’t realize why they languish in the polls…
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July 21, 2013 4:10pm
flipper

OK…..
Time for change…
Picked up the following from a Sydney contributor to the SMH’s Rugby Heaven a few minutes ago :

**** “So this is the coach who is going to consistently beat the All Blacks ? So Deans got it wrong Cooper should be the Wallabies fly half? U have to be kidding me. McKenzie looked shell shocked. To be decimated across the park in every aspect of the game and annihilated tactically and clearly no plan B will have Steve Hansen smiling. They were smashed at the breakdown – 12 turnovers – the scrum got constantly driven back. Genia was totally shut down and also looked shell shocked by the end of the game. He was outplayed by Andy Ellis and Carter gave Cooper another master class lesson at fly half. The best post match comments were on English Sky from two legends of the game Ozzy Michael Lynagh and Kiwi Ian Fitzspatrick who both agreed McKenzie got sent a message tonight from a near All Black pack and Dan Carter. But best of all were their comments on Cooper. They made no excuses for him in regard to go forward ball. Both agreed the difference between Carter and Cooper was just miles and miles – the gap in class between them huge but more interesting was both seriously doubted Cooper has the skill to play the game that needs to played at test level – Deans was right: Cooper does not have the all round game or temperament to be a world class test fly half. No one is in Carters class he is a freak – but Cooper is way behind the eight ball but so many Ozzies can’t see it – oh except the great Michael Lynagh along with kiwi great Ian Fitzpatrick – two guys who are very astute readers of players and the game

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/rugby-union/
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July 21, 2013 4:21pm
Reid

Good update on Murdoch’s troubles. Good job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hc3cKYsm5k8

For those unaware, Murdoch got his start because Lord Beaverbrook was his mentor. Beaverbrook introduced him to the Rothschild’s and the rest is history. He is good, he’s definitely a player, but by having the world’s best source of financing in his pocket since day one, it’s no surprise how he’s built his empire.

And the reason Rothschild financed him is of course because Murdoch is totally corrupt and just like Hearst was, they knew he could influence politics. Murdoch at his height, literally elected the UK PM and he influenced their policies. Murdoch for example, could have killed the UK’s involvement in Iraq, but he chose to instead support it. He was mates with Thatcher, Major, Blair and Cameron. At least he was with Cameron until the shit hit the fan.

The video mentions the Corrupt Practices Act in the US and this is Murdoch’s archilles heel. Because if ~~the US~~ Obama decides to use that, his US holdings are history, Newscorp is destroyed as a controlling influence and James Murdoch will probably go to prison. The word is Lachlan might make a white horse return but will this be mere lipstick on the pig, or would it mean salvation.

Either way, no UK or US politician is willing to parlay with Rupert these days, isn’t that a shame.

I don’t normally take pleasure in watching take-downs of the mighty like this, but with Murdoch, he deserves it. He could have done so much good. Instead he spent his time doing nothing but evil. 24/7/365.

Good fucking job.
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July 21, 2013 4:21pm
Yoza

lu·na·tic (ˈlo͞onəˌtik)

-n

A mentally ill person (not in technical use).

Reid (13,794) Says:
July 21st, 2013 at 3:50 pm

Look you gormless moron, they HAVE boats already that are capable of making the journey but Australia has interdicted them.

The boats most refugees use are rickety fishing boats that can barely make it to Christmas Island – which is nearly two thousand kilometers from the Australian mainland and about four hundred kilometers from Java (Indonesia). The suggestion that these boat people will set their sights on New Zealand instead is sheer lunacy, there really is no other word for it.

There is only one example I can think of that would qualify as ‘boat people’ assylum seekers attempting to get to New Zealand and that was the Chinese Falun Gong lot, but as this article points out:

“The case in Darwin was unusual, he said.

Some reports suggested the group had already received refugee status in Malaysia, which meant “they don’t have a leg to stand on in relation to seeking protection in either Australia or New Zealand”.

That was because they had already been granted protection in Malaysia from the persecution they faced in China as members of Falun Gong, and international refugee conventions did not allow them to “pick and choose” which country they got to live in.”

And BTW, flipper was referring to another comment, not the immigration one, idiot.

Oh God, please tell me to which piece of lunacy flipper was referring. You two are priceless!
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July 21, 2013 4:21pm
magsta

Oh shiiiiiiiiit…… a big earthquake in Wn…… still shaking….. me & the ground
Maggy W
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July 21, 2013 5:11pm
Shunda barunda

WHoa that was a reasonable shake in Greymouth! hell, it looks like a 6.9 and 11kms deep in cook straight?
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July 21, 2013 5:19pm
OECD rank 22 kiwi

New Zealand just can’t catch a break.
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July 21, 2013 5:25pm
Reid

Yoza, let me give you a clue. Reality exists, whether you prefer it that way or not. It’s just I’ve noticed lefties in particular are very good at analysing material in the context of how they’d like things to be, rather than how things actually fucking well are.

Your boat people not reaching NZ because their vessels are rickety is one such hallucination. Sigh.

Market forces Yoza operate in the boat people market just as in any other market.

The only source of revenue for the traffickers, who by Indonesian standards earn a lot of money, just dried up. Humans are very ingenious people and even poorly educated people, when faced with desperation, which this is to traffickers, find ways around the obstacle.

You would have noticed earlier this year Australia (thank you) interdicted one vessel that was heading to NZ. Somehow Yoza, they had managed to get to Northern Queensland. Perhaps they didn’t listen to you lefties who were telling them it was impossible and it wouldn’t happen.

Of course we all hope it doesn’t happen, don’t we. I hope those boat people who are not persecuted but merely sick of living in their mud huts decide it’s just too dangerous, and furthermore they respect the taxpayers of NZ so very much that they wouldn’t dream of attempting it. I’m hoping that will be the case Yoza but I’m not relying on such becoming the reality because I’m not a galloping mental with a bleeding heart because I prefer to look at reality straight in the eye rather than what I hope it might be. And that perspective tells me that humans from Indonesia will be ingenious enough to make it here and once the first boatload arrives with all the wailing cloth-rending lefties out there on the beach just waiting to shower them with wrap-around services galore, the next batch of people sitting in their mud huts will go straight down to the beach and start waiting in line. That’s what I’m expecting to happen Yoza and if it was you guys in power right now, I’d be absolutely certain this would be the case. Thank fuck you’re not and I hope you never get there again.
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July 21, 2013 5:27pm
Reid

New Zealand just can’t catch a break.

Not with HAARP around, OECD.
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July 21, 2013 5:32pm
southtop

Jeezus that was a good shake. Nelson felt it good and daughter in Wellington is seriously freaking. Hope it settles Maggie. Mate in Motueka thought a tornado was coming. Was in booze store getting supplies for rugby…..beer already shaken
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July 21, 2013 5:35pm
Griff

http://www.geonet.org.nz/quakes/felt
Public Id: 2013p543824
NZST: Sunday, July 21 2013 at 5:09:30 pm
Intensity: severe
Depth: 17 km
Magnitude: 6.5
Location: 20 km east of Seddon

Public Id: 2013p543832
NZST: Sunday, July 21 2013 at 5:13:56 pm
Intensity: severe
Depth: 5 km
Magnitude: 5.5
Location: 50 km east of Seddon

Public Id: 2013p543865
NZST: Sunday, July 21 2013 at 5:31:38 pm
Intensity: severe
Depth: 5 km
Magnitude: 4.9
Location: 40 km south-east of Seddon
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July 21, 2013 5:37pm
Ross Nixon

DPF will be SO annoyed to miss the big exciting shake. He’s on a boring holiday (again!).
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July 21, 2013 5:39pm
Tom Jackson

Yoza, let me give you a clue. Reality exists, whether you prefer it that way or not. It’s just I’ve noticed lefties in particular are very good at analysing material in the context of how they’d like things to be, rather than how things actually fucking well are.

You’re the worst offender on the board for that. Oh, the irony.
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July 21, 2013 5:43pm
Tom Jackson

Look for the media to hilariously misuse the term “evacuated” again.
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July 21, 2013 5:45pm
Pete George

Crack in the road at Wellington wharf: https://twitter.com/kirkburgess/status/358826706896826368/photo/1
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July 21, 2013 6:00pm
Kea

Reid (13,798) Says:
July 21st, 2013 at 5:32 pm
New Zealand just can’t catch a break.

Not with HAARP around, OECD.

LOL 🙂

Good to have a laugh at times like this. No one tell Reid about plate tectonics and ruin the fun.
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July 21, 2013 6:06pm
Ross Nixon

One good report from Wellington. “Beehive & Parliament damaged”. Maybe they could be ‘red-zoned’? 😉
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July 21, 2013 6:14pm
Steve (North Shore)

Should NZ be worried about ‘boat People’ arriving on our shores now that Australia has banned them?
Yes, we should ban them as well.
If Moari can make it to NZ in a 12 ft kauri Parkercraft, anyone can
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July 21, 2013 6:15pm
Colville

One good report from Wellington. “Beehive & Parliament damaged”. Maybe they could be ‘red-zoned’?

well that would stimulate the Palmy reaslestste market and make a bunch of shiney arsed Wellingtonians very unhappy 🙂
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July 21, 2013 6:19pm
Pete George

Maybe coincidental….

Quake 50 km east of Mount Cook, intensity moderate, approx. M5.1, depth 58 km http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/2013p543959 … Sun Jul 21 2013 6:20 PM (NZST)

Quake 50 km south of Reefton, intensity severe, approx. M5.7, depth 13 km http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/2013p543964 … Sun Jul 21 2013 6:23 PM (NZST)

Quake 35 km south-west of Waverley, intensity moderate, approx. M4.0, depth 21 km http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/2013p543965 … Sun Jul 21 2013 6:24 PM (NZST)

Quake 35 km north of Hanmer Springs, intensity moderate, approx. M4.0, depth 13 km http://geonet.org.nz/quakes/2013p543972 … Sun Jul 21 2013 6:27 PM (NZST)
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July 21, 2013 6:28pm
kowtow

Good thing it was on a Sunday evening……not many people in the streets to get brained by falling glass and masonry.
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July 21, 2013 6:34pm
wiseowl

note the rego on the photo on stuff, EQ !!!!
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July 21, 2013 6:48pm
All_on_Red

Griff
Did you read who provided the data for those climate graphs?
http://www.globalwarming.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ChristyJR_130530_McKinley-PDF-of-PPT.pdf
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NWS Storm Prediction Centre, National Climatic Data Centre, US Historical Climate Network, the IPCC, NASA UAH and RSS.
I am amazed that all those scientific advisors are creationists. It really is a conspiracy and growing so much…
As for your Insurance coy link. Have you ever heard the expression “vested interest”? Also did you ever think that since areas are more populated, there are more claims and of course the price of fixing and building things has gone up so the value of claims is higher.

But more importantly, what’s up with your spelling? Its appalling.
Sigh, another product of the NZ education system. Let me guess. You went to Keisha Castle-Hughes Primary, then to Robyn Malcolm Intermediate and onto Lucy Lawless High School- where unfortunately you dropped out. I shouldn’t embarrass you though. It must have been hard being four years older than everyone else in the class. Still life goes on , so off to Helen Kelly Remedial Polytechnic- School Motto: “Six months ago I couldn’t spell farmer now I are one” where you did a Diploma in Possum Skinning. Only took three years. Well done.
It would be nice if you could actually discuss the science or rebut any of the info without resorting to saying because someone has a Christian belief their scientific work is invalid.
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July 21, 2013 6:51pm
Kea

All_on_Red, Griff is dyslexic. No insult to his intelligence (for that reason) but it does make me wonder how well he can interpret the information he relies upon.

Apparently he was once a normal bloke, but went to see -An Inconvenient Truth- while stonned off his face. He became a follower of the prophet Gore and has never come right.

Sad really 🙂
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July 21, 2013 6:59pm
Reid

Possibly the politicians who find it difficult separating reality from fantasy might want to read this:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8944788/NZ-hot-choice-for-Chinese

It’s a shame when the blinkers go on deliberately, hiding reality by pretending, for example, Akld property isn’t being inflated by overseas money but rather the main issue is a supply problem so we must free up land. Which does nothing immediately.

You’d think that politicians with all the data they have would be aware of this and of course they are, but clearly they prefer to treat us like idiots and try to pretend we don’t know what’s really going on in our own fucking country. Who the fuck do they think they are.
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July 21, 2013 7:02pm
wiseowl

Yep,pollies just say ‘I see nothing’ and have nothing between their ears.They need an advisor to enlighten them
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July 21, 2013 7:09pm
Left Right and Centre

Earthquakes pre-date Maoris and British coming to NZ by quite a bit.

You live here- you can die of cancer, get killed by a drunk driver…. or get rubbed out by a quake. It’s on the list.

I say that because I listened to the radio and some of the idiots that rang in beside themselves in screaming fits of hysteria….. whoa. Would you want to be anywhere near these fuckwits during a serious emergency… chickens without their heads?

Some of these people react like they’ve never heard of earthquakes. If it’s a Napier style 1931 shake, or Chch 2011 shake… that’s terrifying for sure. I’ve never experienced anything like this in Wellington… but where I am.. well… it could be a lot lot lot worse. The longest shake… I counted slowly to twenty before it stopped. People were ringing in saying forty seconds. Did they time it with their watch? I was in bed and I stayed there. For me it wasn’t worth getting out of bed for. Maybe because I’ve had the benefit of feeling a top 20 aftershock at my mother’s house in Chch… today’s quakes just aren’t anywhere that strong in comparison. So I’m an interesting case… I felt today’s quakes in Wellington, and one of the bigger aftershocks in Chch to be able to compare.

Human nature: Rich Karori dorks waiting for an attention grabbing shake and power outage to all decide it’s time to get batteries and candles. Oh… and they’ll pay whatever they have to… keep the change. Here… have a fifty. Keep the change. Just give me those $5 candles…. it’s mass hysteria and we’re desperate desperate **desperate** and will pay anything. Could’ve strolled in and got them with your ten bottles of booze for the coming week the day before the shakes. It’s funny isn’t it… all that money… all of those luxuries…. no fucking candles or batteries.
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July 21, 2013 7:19pm
All_on_Red

Kea
He can read all right. He’s just being wilfully blind and ignorant. His mind is closed and he refuses to accept information which could affect his world view. And then smears the source.
Was it Keynes who said “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do sir?
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July 21, 2013 7:19pm
Griff

You really are a fuck wit all red period panties
I dont bother with reading crap but just for you .
Snow cover only shows the winter period because the summer cover has shrunk so much.http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/2008JCLI2665.1
tornadoes have to do with global warming?
temperature records do you now how records work ? the first year is a record the second year has a fifty percent chance of a record etc the graph you linked to shows more records now than one would expect.
Mid Tropospheric Temperature has to do with ? why not the surface temperature ? because that does not agree with Cristys bais

Cristy is a religious nutter who maintains that man can not change the climate only god can. You think he is a good scientist? 😆

NOAA and NASA both ranked June 2013 among the top five warmest (NOAA fifth warmest, NASA second warmest) Junes on record globally (dating back to the late 1800s). But, more remarkable, was the incredible snow melt that preceded the toasty month and the sudden loss of Arctic sea ice that followed.

The amazing decline in Northern Hemisphere snow cover during May is a story few have told, but is certainly worth noting. In April, hefty Northern Hemisphere snow cover ranked 9th highest on record (dating back to 1967), but then turned scant, plummeting to third lowest on record during May. Half of the existing snow melted away.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/capital-weather-gang/wp/2013/07/18/snow-and-arctic-ice-extent-plummet-suddenly-as-globe-bakes/

Kea I have told you many times I have not seen the Gore movie or even read much by him he is not a scientist ha is a politician
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July 21, 2013 7:19pm
All_on_Red

“Cristy is a religious nutter who maintains that man can not change the climate only god can”

Link please
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July 21, 2013 7:23pm
Kea

Griff, the high priest of your cult is not a scientist either. He is a retired Indian railroad engineer.

But he is right about one thing: 🙂

IPCC Head Admits 17 Years Of No Warming

Posted on February 21, 2013 by stevengoddard

THE UN’s climate change chief, Rajendra Pachauri, has acknowledged a 17-year pause in global temperature rises, confirmed recently by Britain’s Met Office
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July 21, 2013 7:26pm
All_on_Red

“I dont bother with reading crap”
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, NWS Storm Prediction Centre, National Climatic Data Centre, US Historical Climate Network, the IPCC, NASA UAH and RSS
All crap is it?
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July 21, 2013 7:27pm
All_on_Red

“why not the surface temperature ?”

Umm Urban Heat Island Effect, Homogenisation of data, Degradation of surfaces on Stephenson Screens etc etc

And UAH and RSS is measured from the SURFACE to the upper Troposphere.
Just like Nasa’s Jason/Topex and Argo Buoy system measures the surface and down to 2000 metres deep in the Ocean.
Found that missing heat yet?
Now go and skin some possums.
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July 21, 2013 7:34pm
Kea

A little more on the man who decides the fate of billions of tax dollars taken from the worlds workers :

A little more on the chairperson of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change:

Pachauri was born in Nainital, India. He was educated at La Martiniere College in Lucknow[4] and at the Indian Railways Institute of Mechanical and Electrical Engineering in Jamalpur, Bihar. He belongs to the Special Class Railway Apprentices, 1958 Batch, an elite scheme which heralded the beginning of mechanical engineering education in India.[5] He began his career with the Indian Railways at the Diesel Locomotive Works in Varanasi. Pachauri was awarded an MS degree in Industrial Engineering from North Carolina State University, Raleigh, in 1972, as well as a joint Ph.D. in Industrial Engineering and Economics in 1974.[6] He lives in Golf Links, New Delhi.[7] He is a strict vegetarian, partly due to his beliefs as a Hindu, and partly because of the impact of meat-production on the environment

The IPCC shared the 2007 Nobel Peace Prize with former U.S. Vice President Al Gore…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajendra_K._Pachauri
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July 21, 2013 7:35pm
nasska

LR&C

You’re on to it. There’s something about many townies’ heads that is not quite right. Maybe it’s having close neighbours or living a life where the nearest supermarket is a block or two away that makes people utterly hopeless at planning for a time when the bells & whistles of 21st century living park up.

Provided the house doesn’t get knocked around too badly & we survive without serious injuries I reckon we could last three weeks plus without outside help. Wood fire & range, about ten fully charged batteries in various vehicles, diesel generator, paddocks full of meat, a vege garden, a full pantry – you name it, we’ve got it.

Why the hell can’t the city dwellers get their shit together instead of screaming & panicking?
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July 21, 2013 7:43pm
Kea

Wood fire & range

nasska, you need to burn some coal in that range, lots of it 😉
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July 21, 2013 7:49pm
nasska

Two Indians and an Irishman were walking through the woods. All of a sudden one of the Indians ran up a hill to the mouth of a small cave.

“Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!” he called into the cave and listened closely until he heard an answering, “Wooooo! Wooooo! Woooooo!

He then tore off his clothes and ran into the cave.

The Irishman was puzzled and asked the remaining Indian what it was all about. “Was the other Indian crazy or what?” The Indian replied “No, it is our custom during mating season when Indian men see cave, they holler “Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!” into the opening. If they get an answer back, it means there’s a beautiful squaw in there waiting for us.

Just then they came upon another cave. The second Indian ran up to the cave, stopped, and hollered, “Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!” Immediately, there was the answer. “Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!” from deep inside. He also tore off his clothes and ran into the opening.

The Irishman wandered around in the woods alone for a while, and then spied a third large cave. As he looked in amazement at the size of the huge opening, he was thinking, “Hoo, man! Look at the size of this cave! It is bigger than those the Indians found. There must be some really big, fine women in this cave!”

He stood in front of the opening and hollered with all his might “Wooooo! Wooooo! Wooooo!” Like the others, he then heard an answering call, “WOOOOOOOOO, WOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOOOO!”

With a gleam in his eye and a smile on his face, he raced into the cave, tearing off his clothes as he ran. The following day, the headline of the local newspaper read… NAKED IRISHMAN RUN OVER BY TRAIN
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July 21, 2013 8:01pm
hj

U.S. Military Prepares for Global Unrest Amid Climate Fears

– See more at: http://www.livescience.com/38167-national-security-impact-of-warming-climate.html#sthash.sznBktSm.dpuf
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July 21, 2013 8:09pm
hj

The Reality of Climate Change: 10 Myths Busted
http://www.livescience.com/19466-climate-change-myths-busted.html
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July 21, 2013 8:11pm
Griff

And UAH and RSS is measured from the SURFACE to the upper Troposphere. 😆 fail fuck wit

fuck wit
read this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAH_satellite_temperature_dataset
seems the satellite record is less accurate then the land ones by their (Cristy and Spencer) own admission

you dont like the surface record because it tells the story of the warming globe. Your heat island effect is from A Watts who proved his theory was bullshit by trying to ignore the adjustments for tod.

Kea I am still waiting for you to prove fraud by climate scientists. I proved
1 Cristy and Spencer are god whacks who have religious views that corrupt their science.
2 Selby is bullshiting and was sacked for failing to do the job he was employed to do.
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July 21, 2013 8:13pm
Viking2

nasska (7,011) Says:
July 21st, 2013 at 7:43 pm

LR&C

Why the hell can’t the city dwellers get their shit together instead of screaming & panicking?
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And that;s your achillies heel naaska.
You would run outta shit paper. 😆 😆
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July 21, 2013 8:15pm
nasska

V2

I’ll convert to Islam & use my finger. 🙂
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July 21, 2013 8:19pm
Viking2

Ah so about to become a Robinson Crusoe then?
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July 21, 2013 8:31pm
axeman

Nutter on the loose… 🙂

Global warming supporters say that the science is all on their side … so who did the global warming folks send to plead their case to Congress?
An insurance company lawyer who says “fill our pockets with money, suckers, it’s all ever so green, and oh, you’re picking up the tab for lunch” …
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/20/the-handsomest-fox-in-the-henhouse/
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July 21, 2013 9:11pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Expect a lot of buildings to be shut down in Wellington Central tomorrow for structural checks, this could become very expensive even if there are no more shakes.
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July 21, 2013 9:25pm
Pete George

From Geonet: Preliminary science from the Seddon sequences
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July 21, 2013 9:28pm
Yoza

Global warming supporters say that the science is all on their side

No, the vast majority of reputable climate scientists report, in peer reviewed studies, that anthropogenic global warming is a fact and a serious threat to humanity.
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July 21, 2013 9:37pm
Pete George

Victoria University is closed tomorrow to allow for a damage inspection.
Mercure Hotel evacuated due to slight sixth floor collapse (about 5cm).
Seddon winery – many breakages and leaking wine vats. Power off.

TV3 are giving an update at 9.57.
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July 21, 2013 9:41pm
axeman

New Peer-Reviewed Study: Current General Circulation Climate Models Fail…Only 0.3°C – 1.6° Warming By 2100!
http://notrickszone.com/2013/07/18/new-peer-reviewed-study-current-general-circulation-climate-models-fail-only-0-3c-1-6-warming-by-2100/
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July 21, 2013 9:54pm
Yoza

New Peer-Reviewed Study: Current General Circulation Climate Models Fail…Only 0.3°C – 1.6° Warming By 2100!

You do have a link to where ever it has been peer reviewed, as it seems this paper was submitted only 7 days ago.
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July 21, 2013 10:12pm
Yoza

I see RealClimate have put some effort into debunking Nicola Scafetta, the author behind the ‘peer reviewed’ study in which you have placed your faith.
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July 21, 2013 10:24pm
magsta

Earth still shaking….. I think I’ll wear my tramping gear to bed and forgo the wincyette…

Maggy W
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July 21, 2013 10:26pm
axeman

“No, the vast majority of reputable climate scientists report, in peer reviewed studies, that anthropogenic global warming is a fact and a serious threat to humanity.”

FFS you use an analysis led by ‘NOT a Climate Scientist’ John Cook to claim a fact? You are as bad as the rabid stoner gwiffucknuckle

The John Cook paper of the 97% consensus turns into a laughing stock. Surprised?
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html

http://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2013/07/02/alan-carlin-destroys-john-cooks-credibility-if-he-ever-had-any/

The SkepticalScience website has a bio of Cook which includes this line: “He is not a climate scientist.”
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/06/22/media-fail-john-cooks-atom-bombs/

And this is how the shyster cartoonist/comic book guy, arrives at his theory.
http://australianclimatemadness.com/2013/06/05/how-cook-n-lew-do-science/
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July 21, 2013 10:27pm
Nostalgia-NZ

Pete George 5cm ‘collapse’ of a floor is actually major in a multi story building. I don’t know the building but would be very interesting to know how many stories high it is.
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July 21, 2013 10:30pm
Yoza

FFS you use an analysis led by ‘NOT a Climate Scientist’ John Cook to claim a fact? You are as bad as the rabid stoner gwiffucknuckle

You do not need to be a climate scientist to collate and classify studies of climate science, so I’m not sure of the point you are attempting here. As you point out there is a small minority of scientists who disagree with the overwhelming consensus among climate scientist that anthropogenic, global warming is a very real threat.

It does seem, however, that Cook et al were prepared for the nonsense that would inevitably erupt from the diminishing minority and took care to neutralise such criticism when preparing their study:

The handful scientists contacted for this blog post are among the less than 3% of climate researchers who dispute human-caused global warming. As a result, the voices of this small minority of ‘skeptics’ are magnified.

Third, this blog post argument is a misrepresentation of our study. The Skeptical Science team categorized the papers based solely on their abstracts, whereas the scientists were asked about the contents of their full papers. We invited the scientific authors to categorize their own papers, so if they responded, their ‘correct’ classifications of the full papers are included in our database. As illustrated in the graphic below, we found the same 97% consensus in both the abstracts-only and author self-rating methods.

So it would appear the scientists quoted in the article to which you have linked were allowed the opportunity to correct any discrepancy before the findings of the study were released. A state of affairs that seriously undermines their current protestations.
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July 21, 2013 11:11pm
All_on_Red

Griff
I read your Wiki link and couldn’t find anywhere where it says Christy states he is a creationist. So fail on that one. As for UHI, the USHCN has admitted Watts is right about the discrepancies in the network (look it up yourself) and are currently upgrading and repairing the Stephenson Screen network in the US. Sigh, do you even know what a Stephenson Screen is?
To state that UHI doesn’t exist is just plain stupid. There are multiple Peer Reviewed papers on the subject.Also to think that just because a Wiki article states that the Satellite’s and Surface temps don’t match means the Satellite’s are wrong is ridiculous. Comprehension fail. I think Nasa has a better idea about the accuracy of their satellites than you do.
I think Kea is right. You really don’t understand what you are reading. I don’t think I’ve ever meet anyone so fucking dumb as you.
Back to skinning possums.

Yoza
Cook (the books) survey only took in a portion of the 21,000 papers on Climate Science so is not representative. The Paper is currently being reviewed and will probably be withdrawn. That aside the questions were, shall we say, pretty vague and disingenuous. If someone was to ask me if I thought man was affecting the climate, I would say yes. (UHI, deforestation etc)
But do I think CO2 will cause an extra 2-5 degrees of warming? No.
This is how he got some of the answers from many Climate Scientists as many of them think the same as I do.
Anyway, the whole thing was pointless and smacks of grasping at straws as consensus does not determine or prove science. Its interesting that they have to go to these lengths instead of debating the science. The theory of CO2 creating positive feedbacks has not been proved and is being discredited by observation (16 years no increase in temp as CO2 has gone up).
I don’t think either you or your moron mate Griff could even explain how the theory is supposed to work anyway…
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July 22, 2013 7:54am
Griff

All in red
Watts has been trashed.
his paper that is supposed to prove his theory will not be published
Because he missed adding the time of bais into his equations among other faults. This is the result of his fifteen years of work.
He has categorically failed to prove his theory.
That you go with the outpouring of the blogger and ignore mainstream science is obvious denial.
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July 22, 2013 8:58am
All_on_Red

Look moron, heres a page from the US Environment Protection Agency talking about it. It took .00243 seconds to find.
http://www.epa.gov/hiri/

Here is the USHCN talking about it and how they are improving things.
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/research/ushcn/
I repeat. You are fucking dumber than a sack full of hammers.
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