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Redbaiter

Our Sure Victory
By Bruce Walker

While millions of us watch with dread the daily mischief of the enemies of freedom, and while this concern is proper and wise, we ought to recall also that these enemies are transcendent nebbishes: they know nothing; they believe nothing; they trust nothing. They flinch like savages from those of us who care about truth.

The almost total infestation of our institutions by leftists simply means that, over time, these institutions become cemeteries marked with unkempt graves. Whole sections of America have become festering scabs, as Victor Davis Hanson has described so well about the beautiful and luxuriant orchids, vineyards, and fields of his California homeland.

We are obliged to mourn all lost souls, but we are not bound to see in their despair and decline our own futures. The only real danger we face is the tantalizing but phony benefit of making peace with the left.

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The odds against us often seem daunting, and yet we survive. Those who stand for good things without flinching do prevail over time. America survived 1776 just as Britain survived 1940. Jews, against all odds, have survived, and Christianity, against all reason, has converted savage empires and lived through persecution which is still very much alive today. The often lonely followers of honesty, virtue, and faith in time prevail.

That is our sure victory.
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July 15, 2013 8:01am
Pauleastbay

You don’t even write you own stuff Red, you get your unique turn of phrase from others – you’re not original dear oh dear.
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July 15, 2013 8:05am
hj

My ears pricked up when I heard Pita Sharples talking referring to a Maori world view… since their can be no universal values in such isolationist thinking.

We share 98% of our genes with chimps, 85% with fish, 15% with mustard grass

“There are scientists and Maori, and we both view ourselves within the natural world really differently. And as a Maori scientist, I see myself as the person trying to bridge that gap through my work.”
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10897012
http://www.rogersandall.com/
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July 15, 2013 8:09am
flipper

The Lower Hutt based law researcher who turned the Hutt CC on its head over parking tickets might like another task.

The following from this morning’s Sydney Morning Herald:

*** ” Every speeding fine ever issued in NSW could be overturned if a little-known group of legal advocates succeed with a High Court challenge against the validity of the state’s speed cameras.

The Association Against Speed Measuring Devices is raising funds to launch the case, claiming speed cameras do not have ”pattern approval” as required by federal legislation and so are null and void.

All biological, chemical, legal, physical and trade measurement devices such as weighing scales and hospital equipment must be ”pattern approved” by the National Measurement Institute.

The group preparing the legal challenge, which includes solicitors Dr Robert Spence and Warwick Cottee, insurance investigator and OH&S expert Alan Crothers, IT consultant Steve Stocks, private detective John Bracey and one of Australia’s two legal metrologists, Harold Thurgood, says speed cameras in NSW do not have pattern approval and therefore do not conform to federal law and an international treaty on measuring devices.

Mr Bracey said motorists often fought speeding fines in a court using arguments based on the unreliability of cameras and photographs, but the missing clause on ”pattern approval” had gone unnoticed for almost three decades. ”We are not against the use of speed cameras but if we have to abide by the law then the government should have to as well,” he said. “***

Now if all that is true, AND IS APPLICABLE TO New Zealand, s that would turn the Molesworth Street Cowboys into a frazzle dazzle that would make the GCSB bath-tub plug legislation looking like a finger in the dyke (so to speak), would it not????

Come on, PG…chase this down 🙂 🙂 🙂
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July 15, 2013 8:12am
Simon

But Paulie Reds real crime is that he isnt part of the national labour statist circle jerk.

Not original. Lol coming from one of National party sheeple.
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July 15, 2013 8:14am
hj

Ann Rand is the high priestess of libertarians, she taught that wealth is the result of human endevour. Wat Dabney says there are no such thing as resources until humans make them so. Wealthy land entrepreneurs feature heavily in politics in NZ these days and none feel much need for taxation or redistribution since their wealth is all their efforts. Mother nature needs to stay in her closet until called on by the entrepreneur who is the center of the universe.
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July 15, 2013 8:22am
Manolo

Culling the number of bludgers: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10898243
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July 15, 2013 8:23am
Manolo

For some animals breed and kill is the name of the game: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/crime/news/article.cfm?c_id=30&objectid=10898228
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July 15, 2013 8:25am
martinh

How come English is currently acting PM?
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July 15, 2013 8:35am
hj

The NZ Initiative calls for Koch Bro type think tanks:

Britain needs US style think tanks to counter the
Left’s grip on universities
By Anthony Browne
13 August 2008
In the US there is a breed of ‘policy philanthropists’ who give vast amounts of money to promote ideas, believing that changing the nation’s ideas and policies has a bigger impact than funding a community project. Indeed, the creedal nation, united by a belief in freedom rather than by ethnicity, seems to have a great belief in the power of ideas to shape the future, reflected in their astonishingly vigorous factual literature.
http://nzinitiative.org.nz/site/nzbr/files/perspectives/issue200.pdf

Oh gee they move fast!

Pavletich pleased with progress on affordability
by Chris Hutching

Property researcher Hugh Pavletich has good reason to feel pleased with his lobbying of political and industry players about housing affordability.
Only four years after his first annual Demographia survey many of the basic premises have now become an accepted part of the lexicon used by political leaders, property players and researchers.
http://www.nbr.co.nz/home/column_article.asp?id=20225&cid=16&cname=Property

Finance Minister Bill English has threatened the Government could take over the role of ensuring an adequate supply of land for housing, if local councils fail to do so.

His comments follow publication of the 9th Annual Demographia International Housing Affordability Survey which shows the median house price in Auckland is 6.7 times gross annual median household income in the city.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8208317/Govt-could-run-housing-land-supply-English
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July 15, 2013 8:35am
hj

Key backs land supply

Land supply, not purchase controls is what the Prime Minister sees as the answer to improving access to housing.

The issue of foreigners buying Kiwi properties and driving up prices is in the news again after a BNZ survey found Australians are the biggest group of foreigners that are buying properties here.

John Key says technically controls could be put in place to restrict foreign purchases but it’d be challenging as no register is kept of property purchases “Probably by far the most sensible way is dealing with it on the supply side, release of land and building more properties, than necessarily worrying too much about the demand side, which is difficult to control.”

http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/auckland/news/nbpol/2128808543-key-backs-land-supply

Savings Working Group
January 2011
“The big adverse gap in productivity between New Zealand and other countries opened up from the 1970s to the early 1990s. The policy choice that increased immigration – given the number of employers increasingly unable to pay First-World wages to the existing population and all the capital requirements that increasing populations involve – looks likely to have worked almost directly against the adjustment New Zealand needed to make and it might have been better off with a lower rate of net immigration. This adjustment would have involved a lower real interest rate (and cost of capital) and a lower real exchange rate, meaning a more favourable environment for raising the low level of productive capital per worker and labour productivity. The low level of capital per worker is a striking symptom of New Zealand’s economic challenge.
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http://www.treasury.govt.nz/publications/reviews-consultation/savingsworkinggroup/pdfs/swg-report-jan11.pdf
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July 15, 2013 8:45am
flipper

martinh (148) Says:

July 15th, 2013 at 8:35 am
How come English is currently acting PM?
……………….
Unlike the Obamination and some other pollies, taking himself and his family, at his own expense (except for DPS folk), for a brief holiday in Singapore.

Try to keep up.
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July 15, 2013 8:54am
hj

NZ Initiative dictates (in association with National Real Estate):

The working and middle class egalitarian aspirations of ordinary New Zealanders for a bigger, brighter and better house have given way to abstract environmental concerns about urban sprawl, carbon footprints and sustainability.
There has always been opposition to urban sprawl but for different reasons: before 1939, it was because the government felt people couldn’t just build where they wanted!

In general, pro-development, pro-growth policies must be the aim of any housing policy: as long as a grave under-supply remains, prices will continue to rise.
http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Opinion+and+commentary/housing_dilemma.html

“rip,snort ‘n bust r us” Vote National
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July 15, 2013 8:55am
iMP

Monday, and the BIGGEST PLONKERS of the year so far are…

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/14/biggest-professional-plonkers-of-2013/
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July 15, 2013 8:57am
Longknives

Manolo- I heard someone on the news yesterday saying the ‘Whanau’ are “shocked and horrified” by the murder of the infant and “can’t understand how it happened”.
Well seeing as how the poor little buggar was at home with Mum and Mum’s new boyfriend it doesn’t take fucking Sherlock Holmes to figure out who was responsible….
Same as every other time.
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July 15, 2013 9:00am
Longknives

How about that finish to the Ashes Test?? Brad Haddin so nearly pulls it off…(and here was me thinking the Aussies were rubbish and gone..)
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July 15, 2013 9:02am
MT_Tinman

Longknives 10 – 0 is still a very real prospect.

Notably the Ocker batting line-up failed twice, both times only the unlikely tail offering resistance.

I’d suggest your original thoughts were reasonably accurate.
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July 15, 2013 9:08am
flipper

hj (4,281) Says:

July 15th, 2013 at 8:55 am
NZ Initiative dictates (in association with National Real Estate):
………………..

Get off the grass.
Neither Bassett nor Malpass are in league with the real estate sharks….nor shonky political idealpgues.

Go get their full report. It costs just $15, and is a comprehensive analysis of the housing supply/[price problem. Moreover, as was disclosed sat the launch last month, there is more on this subject to come..
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July 15, 2013 9:11am
martinh

Tanks Flipper, thats the only family ive heard of who want to holiday in Singapore
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July 15, 2013 9:17am
joana

Does anyone believe the train accident in France on the eve of Bastille day was an accident? We won’t hear on our news how muslim youths raided the bodies of the dead and injured for all they could grab.
And in Qatar , many were hospitalized after overeating on the first night of Ramadan..This fasting is always a joke as they routinely gorge all night. Some of the muslims in AK are complaining about having to work a full day on a full tum.In the middle east they would be allowed to sit around for half a day. Ramadan is not quite so great for a young English boy who was refused a drink of water on account of his so called fasting classmates..The teacher had collected every child’s water bottle and refused him a drink in good old Mohammedan Britain.
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July 15, 2013 9:48am
dime

Dime is backing Aussie to win he ashes.

I think the English attack is average outside of Anderson.

I cant see Anderson taking 50 wickets for the series, Swann is over rated.

Broad is ratshit. Finn is ok but not scary.

If the umpire had given Broad out, aussie win…

Either way, Dime fucking loves the ashes 🙂
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July 15, 2013 9:51am
bc

Well what do you know, Redbaiter and John Key have something in common – they both love Singapore!
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July 15, 2013 9:54am
MT_Tinman

Dime I agree with your assessment except for one minor point.

Oz are worse in almost every department (except Siddle who I rate above Anderson) than the Poms.
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July 15, 2013 10:00am
jcuk

National Radio this morning … a clueless male idiot and an intelligent knowledgable woman on prescribing the pill LOL
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July 15, 2013 10:04am
dime

tinny – i rate starc and pattinson over the two poms.

the aussie batting lining up is the weakest its been in 20 years though. maybe longer.
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July 15, 2013 10:13am
MT_Tinman

Dime, they break too often whereas Finn and Broad don’t.

I agree the Ocker batsmen are dire. Warner will add some guts if he ever gets over Root getting up and playing the next game but there’s nothing in the squad that looks like helping (except the coach).
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July 15, 2013 10:17am
Longknives

Dime- I reckon the Aussie batting line-up is the weakest it has ever been.
Take Clarke out of the side and they are looking pretty damn flakey…and I’m sorry but Warner never will be anything but a T20 ‘Hit and Giggle’ specialist…
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July 15, 2013 10:25am
dime

David Warner:

19 tests. Averages 40. 3 Hundreds.

Not bad.

Shane Watson is the problem. The aussies have talked themselves into thinking he is a great opener. 40 tests. averages 35. 2 centuries.
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July 15, 2013 10:37am
Longknives

Sorry Dime I am blinded by my pure hatred of anything ‘T20’ (and Warner made his name as a ‘T20’ slogger..).
I fucking Detest that bullshit form of the game.
You are right- Warner is doing okay…
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July 15, 2013 10:42am
dime

Dime likes the idea of twenty20. I like the idea of a different game every night, it only lasts 3 hours etc.

The reality is though, I hardly watch it.
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July 15, 2013 10:47am
dime

Anderson Silva v Chris Weidman II is official. December 28.

This will be the biggest event in UFC history.

The greatest fighter of all time trying to reclaim his title after being knocked out.

Is Weidman the real deal? Has time caught up with Silva? (hes 38).

This cant come quick enough!

Drinks, Snacks and hookers at Dimes 😀
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July 15, 2013 10:49am
Pete George

Govt criticised for rushing GCSB Bill…

Internet NZ doesn’t oppose the GCSB having the powers it needs to do its job, but wants more checks and balances than the bill would provide.

“It’s important to acknowledge in this debate that there is a role for the GCSB, there is a role for national security and cyber security, and that’s very important,” says Ms Chalmers.

“But at the other end you have the New Zealand Law Society, the Legislation Advisory Committee and the Human Rights Commission all kind of joining in and saying the same thing, and that is we need to make sure that we consider adequate safeguards to protect the human right to privacy online.

“So I think that with all of these organisations coming together and discussing the same things, that should be a pretty clear signal.”

http://www.3news.co.nz/Govt-criticised-for-rushing-GCSB-Bill/tabid/1607/articleID/304947/Default.aspx

It should be a pretty clear signal.

To their credit National are discussing changes and have already announced one proposed by NZ First and negoriated with Peter Dunne (a three member oversight panel).

And John Key has agreed a proposal by John Banks to include a set of guiding principles “is quite a good idea” he would ask officials advising the Intelligence and Security Committee to work on the suggestion.

But there’s still a long way to go on getting a passable version of the Bill.
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July 15, 2013 11:06am
Pete George

And one party missing in action on the GCSB Bill is Labour. David Shearer isays he is waiting for Key to pick up the phone. FFS, that’s not a way to lead, especially on a bill that’s important for both the security of the country and the privacy of the people.

All parties should be working positively towards the best balance and with adequate oversight.

If Shearer can’t show some leadership on this then, well, I think we all know the answer to that.

Shearer, stand up on the GCSB bill!
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July 15, 2013 11:15am
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/rebuilding-christchurch/8919809/Record-fine-for-dumping-demo-waste

fined $150K for dumping 5000 M3 of waste. Its only $30 per cube and around $20 a tonne. Cheap as chips!

and this fine is meant to be a deterrent?
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July 15, 2013 11:35am
bc

Remember when people in here got all excited about Susan Devoy being appointed Race Relations Commissioner?
At last, one of us!
A “normal” New Zealander not one of those “academics” from their ivory-towers!
Susan will sort out all this Maori priviledge and aparthied policies, etc etc

Hmmm, well I wonder how that is working out …

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/books/news/article.cfm?c_id=134&objectid=10897872
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July 15, 2013 12:10pm
bc

Agree, Colville. It costs $20 to drop off a boot load of rubbish at the dump!
If you put ethics to one side, it’s cheaper financially to just dump the waste and pay the fine. Ridiculous.
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July 15, 2013 12:17pm
cha

Mr Bose has powered down.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/13/business/amar-g-bose-acoustic-engineer-and-inventor-dies-at-83.html
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July 15, 2013 12:25pm
Viking2

So how’s the weather downstairs?

Fine and sunny in the bay but thermometer says 6 degrees. 6 bloody cold degrees
Still, not snowing so that’s something to be grateful for.

Johnboy will have lost his nuts to the cold and naaska is either flooded out or frozen. No wonder KB is quiet. 😆
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July 15, 2013 12:50pm
martinh

Hey flipper you say that the pm traveled to Singapore at his own cost except DPS
SO are you saying the public is paying for all his boyfriends in the DPS that key likes tailing his ass to Singapore in business class?
unlike Helen Clark who travelled without them
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July 15, 2013 1:31pm
iMP

Is there really a global honey bee die off? The evidence and both sides of the argument.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/07/15/to-bee-or-not-to-bee-global-bee-die-off/
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July 15, 2013 3:25pm
Pete George

Don Brash seizes control of the Pakeha Party. Conservative Party next?
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July 15, 2013 4:34pm
RightNow

bc (904) Says:
July 15th, 2013 at 12:10 pm
“Remember when people in here got all excited about Susan Devoy being appointed Race Relations Commissioner?”

Manolo said it best:

Manolo (10,440) Says:
March 24th, 2013 at 8:27 am
Why do we need a Race Relations Commissioner in the first place?
Let’s save money and axe the quango.

And frankly if a woman who wrote a book called Te Reo Singalong was excluded from Maori book awards, she should take the fucking hint.
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July 15, 2013 4:52pm
liarbors a joke

Espiner caught out..lazy

http://1law4all.co.nz/2013/07/15/espiner-article-race-raises-its-ugly-head/
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July 15, 2013 5:15pm
hj

The sickening Delahunty again
http://blog.greens.org.nz/2013/07/15/pakeha-a-reflection-on-ethnicity/
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July 15, 2013 5:30pm
hj

Katherine Ryan talks about the Pakeha Party (?) as having the biggest social media following. Hooten hopes they split the vote with NZ First and NZC and “non of them make it over 5%”. Katherine Ryan suggests that journalists are out of touch with the public.. uses the words “self selecting”.
http://www.radionz.co.nz/national/programmes/ninetonoon/audio/2562100/politics-with-matthew-hooton-and-mike-williams
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July 15, 2013 5:35pm
Pauleastbay

Longknives

Nice to turn on the radio this morning and note that I wasn’t alone in thinking Chris Pollock was poor during the Blues – Chiefs game.
Lyndon Bray referees boss for SANZA – he didn’t have one of best games and he won’t be appearing again this season.
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July 15, 2013 5:56pm
wiseowl

Can someone can the funding for those wowsers in Dunedin that are now working on banning drinking alcohol.

Spurious results presented to the media and poor reporting of the story.

Time for a beer, hic.
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July 15, 2013 6:10pm
wiseowl

And more news.
In the latest Straight Furrow it is reported the EPA has banned a group of insecticides that will impact on farmers and home users.

In the report it says “our reassessment included an examination of how these substances affect Maori relationships with their ancestral lands ,water and other taonga”

This sort of appeasement,special treatment has to stop.
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July 15, 2013 6:43pm
OneTrack

“hj (4,283) Says:
July 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
The sickening Delahunty again”

Minister of Maori Affairs and Minister of Treaty of Waitangi Payouts in the next government?
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July 15, 2013 6:54pm
Mark

Reserve Bank to restrict House lending

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8920537/Speed-limit-coming-for-loans

Back to the 1970’s we go, a panic reaction by the governor of the reserve bank to a supply and demand problem which has the makings of a train wreck for the rest of the country to solve the problem of the Auckland market not keeping up with the demand for Housing. To be fair to Wheeler however the Key government has fucked around on this issue for 4 or more years so one has to guess that wheeler has lost patience.
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July 15, 2013 7:06pm
hj

Witchie-poo says:
The much debated “Pākehā” ethnicity has a fascinating and disturbing history because colonisation is ugly.
…………..
well yes it is as the Moriori of the Chatham’s found out.
http://www.sof.org.nz/origins.htm

In the new edition of Being Pakeha, I go on to say that, as another indication of how far Pakeha culture has become indigenous, it is only right to see the macrocarpa and the wooden church as being as much emblematic of the New Zealand landscape and human occupation of it, as the meeting house and the cabbage tree.

In saying this, and in saying what preceded this, I am in no way taking anything away from the position of Maori as tangata whenua, the nation’s First Culture. Maori were, are and will remain the tuakana or senior sibling in our whanau relationship with the land, with each other, and with the outside world. They remain the people who, by virtue of being here first, signed with the Crown a treaty that is still recognised as having moral and judicial force.

But having said that, I will not willingly allow anybody to demean or diminish the status of my culture in the process of establishing or elevating that of Maori. And that brings me to the relevance of the Jack Lasenby quotation I mentioned earlier. There are several grounds for resisting the notion that respect for Maori implies disrespect for one’s own heritage, if that heritage can be seen to have disadvantaged Maori.
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July 15, 2013 7:36pm
hj

What a shame Michael King died in a car accident. We need people to foil the bonkers Delahunty types.
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July 15, 2013 7:42pm
Steve (North Shore)

“hj (4,283) Says:
July 15th, 2013 at 5:30 pm
The sickening Delahunty again”

No “NZ Eurpean” to tick? Fucking bullshit.
She is upset because there is no “Martian” box to tick. Hey Minister for Mars, you could always tick the “Other” box and then give details.
Mensa candidate
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July 15, 2013 7:50pm
nasska

Two guys in a bar. One says “Did you hear the news – Mike is dead!” “Woah what the hell happened to him?” “Well he was on his way over to my house the other day and when he arrived outside the house he didn’t brake properly and BANG! He hit the pavement and the car flips up and he crashed through the sunroof. Went flying through the air and smashed through my upstairs bedroom window”.

“What a horrible way to die!”

“No no, he survived, that didn’t kill him at all. So, he’s landed in my upstairs bedroom and he’s all covered in broken glass on the floor. Then, he spots the big old antique wardrobe we have in the room and reaches up for the handle to try to pull himself up. He’s just dragging himself up when bang, this massive wardrobe comes crashing down on top of him, crushing him and breaking most of his bones”.

“What a way to go, that’s terrible!”

“No no, that didn’t kill him – he survived that too. He managed to get the wardrobe off him and crawls out onto the landing, he tries to pull himself up on the banister but under his weight, the banister breaks and he goes falling down on to the first floor. In mid-air, all the broken banister poles spin and fall on him, pinning him to the floor, sticking right through him”.

“Now that is the most unfortunate way to go!”

“No no, that didn’t kill him, he even survived that. So he’s on the downstairs landing, just beside the kitchen. He crawls in to the kitchen, tries to pull himself up on the cooker, but reached for a big pot of boiling hot water, whoosh, the whole thing came down on him and burned most of his skin off him”.

“Man, what a way to go!”

“No no, he survived that, he survived that! He’s lying on the ground, covered in boiling water and he spots the phone and tries to pull himself up, to call for help, but instead he grabs the light switch and pulls the whole thing off the wall and the water and electricity didn’t mix and so he got electrocuted. 10,000 volts shot through him”.

“Now that is one awful way to go!”

“No no, he survived that, he…” “Hold on now, just how the hell did he die?” “I shot him!” “You shot him? What the hell did you shoot him for?” “He was wrecking my fucking house!!”
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July 15, 2013 8:07pm
RF

How many native children in NZ killed by tribal members. Too bloody many. Plenty of shock horror from the family but it still happens. Just proves Maoris are a dying race.
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July 15, 2013 8:34pm
Manolo

Lovely and enlightened country: http://www.foxnews.com/travel/2013/07/15/saudi-airlines-refuses-israeli-passport-holder-to-purchase-tickets/
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