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Keeping Stock

Nice day for it…
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June 8, 2013 8:01am
Manolo

An article on interesting statistics:
http://www.lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/oecd-gdp-per-capita-question.html
http://nzinitiative.org.nz/Media/Insights/Graph+of+the+week.html
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June 8, 2013 8:05am
Scott Chris

Another day dawns, and somewhere south of here the cold light of political reality settles on the jaded psyche of one Pete George.
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June 8, 2013 8:23am
Scott Chris

What’s the difference between a burnt steak and a UF supporter?

One’s over-dunne, the other dunne-over. Not sure which is which though.
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June 8, 2013 8:29am
Pauleastbay

political reality

oxymoronic perhaps but I see your point
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June 8, 2013 8:31am
Scott Chris

Q – What’s the difference between an undisclosed email and a leak?

A – Dunno.
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June 8, 2013 8:32am
Scott Chris

Q – What do Peter Dunne and the Titanic have in common?

A – They both sprung a leak.

Q – What’s the difference between Peter Dunne and Russell Packer?

A – Russell leaks in public.
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June 8, 2013 8:38am
Keeping Stock

An absolutely brilliant Emmerson cartoon this morning. Peter Dunne’s career is well and truly stuffed.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/emmerson-on-taxidermy.html
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June 8, 2013 8:43am
Left Right and Centre

Stick a fork in him- he’s Dunne
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June 8, 2013 9:20am
Fletch

Shit is about to get ugly in the U.S if what a purported Dept of Homeland Security insider says is true –

“If anyone thinks that what’s going on right now with all of this surveillance of American citizens is to fight some sort of foreign enemy, they’re delusional. If people think that this ‘scandal’ can’t get any worse, it will, hour by hour, day by day. This has the ability to bring down our national leadership, the administration and other senior elected officials working in collusion with this administration, both Republican and Democrats.

People within the NSA, the Department of Justice, and others, they know who they are, need to come forth with the documentation of ‘policy and practice’ in their possession, disclose what they know, fight what’s going on, and just do their job. I have never seen anything like this, ever. The present administration is going after leakers, media sources, anyone and everyone who is even suspected of ‘betrayal.’ That’s what they call it, ‘betrayal.’ Can you believe the size of their cahones? This administration considers anyone telling the truth about Benghazi, the IRS, hell, you name the issue, ‘betrayal,’” he said.

This administration is collecting names of sources, whistle blowers and their families, names of media sources and everybody they talk to and have talked to, and they already have a huge list. If you’re not working for MSNBC or CNN, you’re probably on that list. If you are a website owner with a brisk readership and a conservative bent, you’re on that list. It’s a political dissident list, not an enemy threat list,” he stated.

“It means that there will be censorship under the color of authority of anyone in the U.S. who is attempting to expose what’s going on in our name. It’s about controlling any damning information from reaching epidemic proportions. It’s damage control to the extreme. It’s about the upcoming censorship of the internet in the name of national security. The plans are already in place. These latest reports about ‘spying eyes’ have turned this administration and others connected to it into something very, very dangerous. They feel cornered and threatened, and I’m hearing about some plans they have to shut down the flow of information that is implicating them of wrongdoing. Time is short,” he stated.

“First, they intend to use the Justice Department to silence journalists like in the Rosen case, but they won’t stop there. They will use a host of national security policies, laws, letters, whatever to take out the bigger threats,” he stated.

Next, they will use some sort of excuse, an external threat, and I believe it will be a combination of the economic collapse and a Mid-East war that will begin in Syria to throttle the information that is accessible on the Internet. And you know what? People will believe it!”

Based on what I’ve seen, most of which I should not have seen, the DHS is co-ordinating efforts with other federal agencies to begin to threaten American citizens with incarceration for non-compliance. You know the old talk of color coded lists? Well, this is what they will be using. People exposing the truth about Benghazi, killing the U.S. Dollar, even those questioning Obama?s legal status and eligibility to be President are the current targets. And they’ve had five long years to get to this point. The ugly truth is that these policies and practices did not start under Obama, but long before. This is about the killing of our Constitutional Republic. The murder of our country and the stripping of our rights. While many have been preoccupied with one issue, few have seen the bigger issue. This is the ‘end game,’ for all the marbles,” he stated.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/55749
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June 8, 2013 10:03am
Fletch

Further to what I posted the other day about evidence that Obama never actually attended or graduated from Columbia University as he says, a long serving and well-loved professor there (now retired) says he would have known if Obama had attended.

Meet Professor Henry Graff, perhaps the most legendary and honored professor ever at Columbia University. He was THE American History and Diplomatic History professor at Columbia for 46 years. And he is more emphatic than yours truly that there are no Obama footprints at Columbia.

I was put on Professor Graff’s trail by another Columbia classmate, skeptical about Obama’s story. He told me that Professor Graff had been the speaker for the Class of ’53 last weekend at Columbia. My friend was watching Graff answer questions from the crowd when he was asked about Obama at Columbia. Graff said, “I have my doubts he ever went here.”

I did some digging and located Graff’s home phone number. I called him yesterday. Now retired, he was delighted to hear from me. He agreed to go on the record about Obama. Unlike Obama, Professor Graff clearly remembered me. He was thrilled to hear from his former student. I was in several of Graff’s classes and he remembered me like it was yesterday. He sounded great- like he hasn’t lost any of his trademark sharpness in 30 years since we last met.

I was honored to learn that this legendary historian has been following my political career for many years. But he had no such cheery things to say about the President. Graff said, “I taught at Columbia for 46 years. I taught every significant American politician that ever studied at Columbia. I know them all. I’m proud of them all. Between American History and Diplomatic History, one way or another, they all had to come through my classes. Not Obama. I never had a student with that name in any of my classes. I never met him, never saw him, never heard of him.”

Even more importantly, Professor Graff knew the other history and political science professors. “None of the other Columbia professors knew him either” said Graff.

Graff concluded our interview by saying, “I’m very upset by the whole story. I am angry when I hear Obama called ‘the first President of the United States from Columbia University.’ I don’t consider him a Columbia student. I have no idea what he did on the Columbia campus. No one knows him.”

Obama’s story is bullshit. It is a creation. WHo knows who he really is.
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June 8, 2013 10:10am
Reid

Obama’s story is bullshit. It is a creation. WHo knows who he really is.

You’re onto it Fletch. You have been for some time now in respect of this, I’ve noticed. Shame most of the other people here can’t bring themselves to recognise how it’s possible for this situation to arise in the POTUS. The answer to their question of course being, who gives a fuck? What does the evidence say? So this is what the evidence says? Alrighty then.

But no.

If it doesn’t fit their preconceived worldview, their emotional blinkers snap on and no amount of evidence matters. To them, it just can’t be true, therefore it’s not.

Shame really. For them.

As for who he really is, look into his mother’s past and who his real father was. He’s been in “the system” for a very long time.
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June 8, 2013 10:21am
Longknives

Good riddance Ramirez

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-obituary-richard-ramirez-night-stalker-dies-20130607,0,3668538.story
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June 8, 2013 11:07am
Kea

Maybe this explains why the Northern Hemisphere is having such terrible winters in recent years. This would also explain the advancing glaciers and Antarctic ice, while the alarmists are claiming some milestone for CO2 levels

NASA report verifies carbon dioxide actually cools atmosphere
Wednesday, May 22, 2013

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/040448_solar_radiation_global_warming_debunked.html#ixzz2VZjwb6S4

Almost all ‘heating’ radiation generated by sun is blocked from entering lower atmosphere by CO2

According to the data, up to 95 percent of solar radiation is literally bounced back into space by both CO2 and NO in the upper atmosphere. Without these necessary elements, in other words, the earth would be capable of absorbing potentially devastating amounts of solar energy that would truly melt the polar ice caps and destroy the planet.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/040448_solar_radiation_global_warming_debunked.html#ixzz2VZjoGLUt
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June 8, 2013 11:19am
CraigM

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10889113

The above story about street prostitution again raised my heckles regarding one of the most disgraceful decisions made by our parliament in recent history, the decriminalisation of prostitution.

Whilst arguments for and against were fought on mainly moral grounds, the one overriding message from proponents of this change was that is was for the safety of the sex workers. I am not going to re-hash all the old chestnuts and will simply state that, clearly, I am still of the opinion that the change in law was detrimental to our society. IMHO.

Let’s take a look at this from a purely business sense. The law change created an opportunity for a small group of people to operate their businesses and reap huge financial rewards in an environment the rest of NZ’s business owners can only dream of.

“Staff” employed by brothel owners do not have employment contracts, they are subject to none of the protections that other New Zealanders enjoy. No paid leave, sick leave, bereavement leave, public holidays, ACC etc.
They do not work under their real names and therefore employers can rightly claim that they don’t know who they have working for them, where they live or their criminal history if any.
Staff are subject to working conditions that no “normal” employee would be expected to tolerate. They are forced to work long shifts, they are fined for the smallest indiscretion and those fines are deducted from their cash pay without approval or discussion.
(I’m trying hard to keep the moral and emotional issues out of this, it is harder than I thought it would be)

Given the above, my question is this, where is the balance for the government……the tax that should be paid for being allowed to operate a business, or work as an un-contracted contractor under these conditions legally?

The workers are in these businesses under false names, with no paper trail, being paid in cash. The business owners are not deducting paye. Huge amounts of cash changes hand from the purchasers of these services, where is the GST? How much of this revenue is declared and taxable?

The NZ tax payer is being soundly ripped off by this industry (again, from a purely financial perspective) as brothel owners and prostitutes are allowed to operate outside the tax laws with impunity.

If proponents of decriminalisation really want to help the prostitutes, get them out of the business, make their lives safer etc, then surely bringing them under the umbrella of employment law should be a priority. Perhaps, were brothel owners subject to the same laws and taxes as the rest of NZ’s business owners, then less would operate such a business. Either way, why do legally protected brothel owners and prostitutes enjoy such a tax free life when the rest of us bleed money to the government?

I imagine the tax take would be huge. Why waste time trying to tax my car park when there is such a massive tax take waiting to be had?

A business is either legal, or illegal. If legal then all laws should apply to everyone. If illegal, then the police do their best to shut you down. Is there any other industry that has a licence to print money and break the law with impunity?
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June 8, 2013 11:30am
Tauhei Notts

I get the impression that Kelston Boys High School might be a very ugly place.
It would be good if some knowledgable blogger here could comment on that matter.
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June 8, 2013 11:33am
Weihana

Oh dear Fletch and Reid… a genuine scandal is unfolding and you cloud it with conspiracy nonsense. It’s not that people are unwilling to change their worldview, rather it’s that conspiracy nuts will NEVER be convinced of any evidence contrary to their hollywood-inspired fantasies because they “know” the truth.

Obama isn’t supporting this scandalous abuse of power because he’s a CIA plant or some other such nonsense. He is doing it because he is a normal human being: it’s easy to criticize George W when you are not the one in the hot seat taking responsibility for whatever happens. But when you get elected to power suddenly you realize that your legacy could be defined by an attack that you did not prevent and so you rationalize your unconstitutional surveillance as a “trade off” and while you understand the dangers of such power YOU are the one in power and you know that you are not a tyrant so no worries with such surveillance because you will “audit” it. And besides, all those national security guys are telling you scary stuff about those scary Jihadists day after day after day… a plot here, a plot there… “only you Mr President can stop it just as long you give us a little bit more power”.

On the other hand it could be because he has been in the “system” for so long. Yes that’s right, that shadowy organization that runs the world (whoever they are) has been conducting a decades long conspiracy on the off chance that come 2008 Americans will be prepared to elect a black president.

I would venture a guess that 90% of people no matter how liberal or libertarian would, if they became President, succumb to the already well established “system” because it is human nature to do so. Most people deal with practicalities, trade-offs etc. so it is inevitable that their principles would be worn down over time. Only the most ideological of us would be able to withstand the group pressure of every single national security advisor who believes strongly in what they are doing and who see how much more effective their job would be if given just a little bit more power.
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June 8, 2013 11:39am
Reid

Whilst arguments for and against were fought on mainly moral grounds, the one overriding message from proponents of this change was that is was for the safety of the sex workers. I am not going to re-hash all the old chestnuts and will simply state that, clearly, I am still of the opinion that the change in law was detrimental to our society. IMHO.

Craig, just because someone says they believe something is “x” this doesn’t make it so. It doesn’t make “x” so and it doesn’t mean they really believe it, either. This is doubly true for every single politician in the entire world, ours included.

In that, just because they stood up in Parliament and said they believed that decriminalising it would help all those hookers, doesn’t mean they actually believed that. Possibly the Gween MP’s really believed it but who cares about them, they’ll believe anything, they’ve got the critical analysis of an ~~average~~ particularly dull 10 year old.

No, Hulun did this because she wanted to corrupt society. Because she wanted to “normalise” commercial sex being sold next door to schools and in your average neighbourhood. Because she knows what this does to people’s thinking over a period of decades. Particularly the children who grow up with that phenomena being part of the background noise of society. That’s the point of it. To change attitudes. Over decades. That’s why she did this. And lots of other things as well.

Naturally, none of the journalists pointed this out at the time (because they were and still are, too thick to work it out) and none of the politicians did either (because those who knew agreed with it and those who didn’t know had and have the same powers of critical analysis as the Gweens). Naturally, hardly any of the public knew, or know, because all most of the public care about is the latest rugby score and which celeb is getting married or having an affair.

But that’s why Craig. It has nothing to do with employment practices or health and safety or anything else. That’s just meaningless window dressing designed to fool the sheeple so they don’t bleat too loudly as the society their grandchildren will grow up in gets designed right in front of their very eyes. But good on you for noticing it was and is detrimental. Most people don’t get to that stage, most of them clap their hands with glee as they think about how wonderful it is that the hookers aren’t persecuted anymore by the big bad meanies that used to be around in the olden days, before the new enlightened law came into effect that beloved Hulun in her benevolence enacted and how tewwible it is that even now some people still don’t think it was a good idea and aren’t those people just completely awful and howwible. That’s really what they think. Sad isn’t it. I too wish it wasn’t true. But it is.

a genuine scandal is unfolding

Weihana, the NSA issue might be news to you, please don’t think it’s news to me and the reason it’s not news to me is because of the stuff I read. Which rather tends to prove that I don’t read stuff that isn’t true, doesn’t it. The fact that it seems peculiar and unusual to someone like you, is more due to your ignorance, than the veracity of the material.
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June 8, 2013 11:53am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/8766750/Online-supermarket-rivalry-heats-up

White woman who names her kids Indigo and Aisha. What a dick.

Indigo…. I can’t take that name seriously. Indigo. Trendy wankhard bullshit.
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June 8, 2013 11:55am
duggledog

CraigM

Yes and did you notice how that dreadful George Beyer said ‘Hmm, yes I suppose maybe I was a bit naive about that one’

Thanks George. Cheers for that
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June 8, 2013 11:56am
Weihana

CraigM (678) Says:
June 8th, 2013 at 11:30 am

Given the above, my question is this, where is the balance for the government……the tax that should be paid for being allowed to operate a business, or work as an un-contracted contractor under these conditions legally?

…why do legally protected brothel owners and prostitutes enjoy such a tax free life when the rest of us bleed money to the government?

I doubt the sincerity of your tax concerns, it’s pretty obvious it is simply a proxy for what are actually moral concerns.

Indeed the pressing concern is not tax. It is public nuisance that street prostitutes may cause and unfortunately there are no obvious solutions. If it existed when prostitution itself was illegal then why would a new law make it go away? These people generally aren’t right in the head and if we’re concerned about tax dollars I certainly don’t want the Police wasting time investigating these people.
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June 8, 2013 11:59am
liarbors a joke

Oh happy day..break the law/shoot at Police…die mo/fo !

http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8671662/one-shot-after-armed-police-callout
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June 8, 2013 12:02pm
Weihana

Weihana, the NSA issue might be news to you, please don’t think it’s news to me and the reason it’s not news to me is because of the stuff I read. Which rather tends to prove that I don’t read stuff that isn’t true, doesn’t it. The fact that it seems peculiar and unusual to someone like you, is more due to your ignorance, than the veracity of the material.

There have been concerns for some time but little proof. That this has emerged does not tend to prove anything about any other conspiracy theory you might hold. And I did not say it was unusual, I said the opposite in fact, that it was to be expected of almost anyone who became president no matter their principles beforehand.
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June 8, 2013 12:04pm
duggledog

Tauhei, Kelston’s all right by all accounts.

The underlying problem was well explained by Stephen Franks on National Radio yesterday afternoon or was it Thursday.

He said what we all know; that is, boys these days are brought up being told all violence is bad and therefore they don’t get taught the old Queensbury Rules – don’t hit a man when he’s down, one on one in a fair fight etc etc.

I’d add to that violent video games and super-violent films, no boundaries, P etc. And dare I say it massive PI / Maori kids who see red and can’t control themselves.

We’re going to see much, much more of this in future
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June 8, 2013 12:05pm
Weihana

Reid (13,611) Says:
June 8th, 2013 at 11:53 am

That’s really what they think. Sad isn’t it.

No it’s not sad that consenting adults be left to manage their own lives free of the police of vice and virtue.
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June 8, 2013 12:10pm
Kea

CraigM@ 11:30am

Believe it or not prostitution existed before it was legalised !

What is your real for opposing it ?
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June 8, 2013 12:13pm
Left Right and Centre

*Around half of New Zealanders drink fluoridated tap water.*

http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/more-councils-consider-removing-fluoride-water-5457904

So… that’s interesting… it’s split down the middle. It it’s so good with no drawback, why only half the country having it added?

I like this from the anti-fluoride folks ‘it’s a poison’. Umm…. it actually is in doses between 5-10 grams, true, but still occurs naturally in water. But then it’s an extreme use of language to push a barrow… sure sure I get it. Or they’re eye-roll inducing looney activists.
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June 8, 2013 12:16pm
Weihana

duggledog (408) Says:
June 8th, 2013 at 12:05 pm

He said what we all know; that is, boys these days are brought up being told all violence is bad and therefore they don’t get taught the old Queensbury Rules – don’t hit a man when he’s down, one on one in a fair fight etc etc.

All violence is wrong unless specifically necessary to defend oneself. A one on one fight can end in tragedy. The human body is not made of steel. Clearly these boys did not consider violence wrong for whatever reason. Probably because they are dumbass teenagers like many are.

When I was at High School there were plenty of fights and any one of them could have ended this way. For most dumbass teenagers though they are lucky that they don’t end that way.
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June 8, 2013 12:18pm
Reid

That this has emerged does not tend to prove anything about any other conspiracy theory you might hold.

Weihana, you don’t know what I know, so how do you know if what I know is theory or truth?

You clearly think you do. I’m merely asking on what basis have you reached your conclusion?
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June 8, 2013 12:18pm
cha

Oh dear, has Greenwald been sold a pup?.

http://techcrunch.com/2013/06/06/google-facebook-apple-deny-participation-in-nsa-prism-program/

http://au.businessinsider.com/is-the-nsa-prism-spying-program-a-hoax-2013-6

http://au.businessinsider.com/washington-post-updates-spying-story-2013-6
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June 8, 2013 12:22pm
Weihana

Reid,

I am making an inference based on your endorsement of Fletch. But you are right, I don’t know what you “know”.
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June 8, 2013 12:25pm
CraigM

Kea , Waihana
Thanks for the comments. I thought I was pretty clear in my REAL reasons for my dislike of that “industry” .
It is one of those subjects where you can preach to the converted or be ignored by the proponents, so I didn’t feel like beating the same drum again.
My thoughts this morning went to the brothel owners and the scum they are…..which lead to the thought process I wrote down. Why should these evil scum get such a free ride, purely from a business perspective?

Sadly, I have been far too close to this industry over the past two years as my wife and I found ourselves helping a couple of young women escape from it. My thoughts before hand were naive when compared to what I know now. It would be simple to write what I have learned of the business practices, the drugs, the beatings, the fines et al but again, beating the same drum….

so I wondered what my thoughts about the industry from a purely business /employer standpoint would look like written down. Why, when allowed to operate under law, are they not subject to all the other laws that the rest of us are.

Rhetorical question, I know there is no easy answer.
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June 8, 2013 12:30pm
RF

Double standards Mumble fuck Sheep is crying for Dunns head for releasing sensitive emails yet he is content to allow Goof to play the same game with the Defence Dept leaks. Double hypocricy.

I hear the whinging squeaky voice of that useless Greens prick Norman having his 5 cents worth. What a tosser.
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June 8, 2013 12:49pm
Fairfacts Media

Oh dear!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WAQlsS9diBs
“Obama in 2007: No More Spying on Citizens Not Suspected of a Crime:”
Ed Driscoll has more
http://pjmedia.com/eddriscoll/2013/06/06/answer-let-it-burn/

Whatever happened to the former Land of the Free?
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June 8, 2013 1:05pm
cha

Whatever happened to the former Land of the Free?

The war on terror.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NSA_warrantless_surveillance_controversy

http://yahoo.usatoday.com/news/washington/2006-05-10-nsa_x.htm?csp=1
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June 8, 2013 1:13pm
Kea

CraigM, you and your wife are not helping the young women “escape”. You are providing them with some better choices. They are on the game voluntarily. Women are not victims in this. They are praying on men, not the other way around.

Of far greater concern to me is the state paying thousands of young girls to have sex to support themselves. The DPB is the most damaging form of prostitution in this country, not a couple of girls renting their arses out for some cash.
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June 8, 2013 1:17pm
Kea

Whatever happened to the former Land of the Free?

I do not care anymore what happens to them. They voted the most appalling president in US history back into office for a second term. They are going to learn the hard way, to look past his pleasant manner and blackness. It is not them I feel for, it is the thousands of innocents that violent black warlord is slaughtering around the world.
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June 8, 2013 1:25pm
Kea

So many devastating changes in the Middle East’s so-called ‘Arab Spring’ aftermath are being blamed on misguided US policies in many countries. This in-depth report reveals how Washington institutions allegedly groom destructive elements when attempting to destabilise nations. Their tentacles are now even touching Turkey’s fully-fledged democracy – one that has achieved economic transformation in only a decade, with tourism and foreign investment booming.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/13164

Of course none of this is news to any informed person, which is does not include any person who bases their ideas on the Obama worshiping msm.
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June 8, 2013 1:28pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/8768249/House-overcrowding-disease-fears

Overcrowding in homes. Researchers say get rid of overcrowding, you’ll lower infectious disease rates.

Fine.

These are very smart people, right? Is overcrowding the cause, or the type of people who end up overcrowded who would have higher rates of infectious disease either way?

This kind of issue is going to come up more and more. Underclass members having children they can’t afford to look after properly in most cases. They can’t afford enough rooms, enough space.

I’d guess that what’s happening is that the underclass are outgrowing the housing stock of the country. And since they’ve got no money… it falls on the taxpayer to try and keep pace with their housing space demand to try and keep them within basic living standards.

Here’s my controversial comment: The underclass breed like animals. If you gave them more housing, it would end up overcrowded all too soon again anyway. So is that really the answer to try and build more and more accommodation to keep up with them?
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June 8, 2013 1:31pm
cha

Also, American Conservative’s Ron Unz:

Most of the Americans who elected Barack Obama in 2008 intended their vote as a total repudiation of the policies and personnel of the preceding George W. Bush administration. Yet once in office, Obama’s crucial selections—Robert Gates at Defense, Timothy Geither at Treasury, and Ben Bernake at the Federal Reserve—were all top Bush officials, and they seamlessly continued the unpopular financial bailouts and foreign wars begun by his predecessor, producing what amounted to a third Bush term.

Consider the fascinating perspective of the recently deceased Boris Berezovsky, once the most powerful of the Russian oligarchs and the puppet master behind President Boris Yeltsin during the late 1990s. After looting billions in national wealth and elevating Vladimir Putin to the presidency, he overreached himself and eventually went into exile. According to the New York Times, he had planned to transform Russia into a fake two-party state—one social-democratic and one neoconservative—in which heated public battles would be fought on divisive, symbolic issues, while behind the scenes both parties would actually be controlled by the same ruling elites. With the citizenry thus permanently divided and popular dissatisfaction safely channeled into meaningless dead-ends, Russia’s rulers could maintain unlimited wealth and power for themselves, with little threat to their reign. Given America’s history over the last couple of decades, perhaps we can guess where Berezovsky got his idea for such a clever political scheme.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/our-american-pravda/
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June 8, 2013 1:32pm
Johnboy

“I hear the whinging squeaky voice of that useless Greens prick Norman having his 5 cents worth. What a tosser.”

You forgot to mention:

Eye’s far to close together….ginga…..aussie in your otherwise well rounded critique of the greeny tosser RF! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 1:36pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8771332/Public-defecation-cops-fine

Timaru 17 year old claims to be unhappy with pizza takeaway service so takes a shit in the shop while his mate films him.

That’s one way to kick up a stink….
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June 8, 2013 1:41pm
SPC

L, R and C, so you adopt the Malthusian inspired idea that poverty and home overcrowding are the natural constraints on population growth of the underclass … and that the long term welfare dependency and health care costs we face as a consequence are unavoidable?
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June 8, 2013 1:43pm
SPC

CraigM, any brothel owner has to know the real identity and age of all employed sex workers.
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June 8, 2013 1:44pm
SPC

Reid, there are two extremes, people can say anything and no one can doubt that they have the background to know what they are talking about – or we do not take anything at face value but question and remain sceptical.

You adopt the former privilege for yourself and adopt the other for anyone in the position of power.
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June 8, 2013 1:50pm
Kea

Here is something for you Reid. Allah has smiled upon this gorgeous beauty 🙂

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TP3mXVRd89Y
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June 8, 2013 2:14pm
Black with a Vengeance

The Auckland City Council will give Parnell’s Holy Trinity Cathedral $3 million.

The City Council, which met this morning as the strategy and finance committee, voted 10 to 6 in favour of the grant after a two-hour debate.

Much of the discussion centred on ‘church and state’ arguments and the role of the cathedral as a gathering place for all Aucklanders.

The majority of councillors were persuaded that the cathedral plays a unique role in the life of both city and nation.

http://anglicantaonga.org.nz/News/TIKANGA-PAKEHA/Auckland-cathedral-gets-3m-grant

have at it!!!
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June 8, 2013 2:18pm
Johnboy

Its a thousand times less than the rest of us have lashed out to the useless Murri…… “Lack of colour with sad attitude” ! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 2:22pm
Viking2

Queensland TAFEs to lose their assets

by: John Ross
From: The Australian
June 08, 2013 12:00AM

QUEENSLAND TAFEs will be stripped of their assets under a “reform action plan” to be announced today by training minister John-Paul Langbroek.

Campuses and facilities will be transferred to a specialist management entity which will dole them out for use by public or private training organisations.
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June 8, 2013 2:24pm
Kea

“The Auckland City Council will give Parnell’s Holy Trinity Cathedral $3 million.”

It is incredible that in 2013 NZ a primitive violent Middle Eastern desert cult is given three million dollars of other peoples money. This is corruption and stupidity on an epic scale. What gives the council the right to give away rate payers money in this way, to curry favour with the cult followers ?
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June 8, 2013 2:42pm
Reid

Some people might be interested in this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/the-alist-conspiracy-did-hollywood-tell-obama-to-take-down-internet-entrepreneur-kim-dotcom-8648426.html

Thanks Kea, interesting isn’t it all the dots are right out there, standing out like dogs balls, yet still, even then, people STILL don’t get it. I mean, what does it take?

SPC, I can’t work out if that was a compliment or not so I gave you a karma anyway.

Johnboy, more like ten thousand times less when all the dust is settled. I mean when you take into account all the settlements, all the grants, all the extras that Maori get cos they’re special and it would be weally wacist if we didn’t do it, like entry to law school, med school, fees paid, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc etc it has to be at least 30 billion. At least. Did you hear on Friday Morning Report “A recent Maori health study claims there are significant inequalities and inherent racism amongst some mainstream health practitioners when they deal with Maori men?” Turns out health providers are wacist because Maori males didn’t feel as if they acknowledge Maoriness enough when they went to have a visit. So let’s get this straight. This was a Maori research company getting funds from guess who, in the Maori section of national radio which gets funds from guess who, telling us that we’re all wacist because according to the definition dreamt up by Maori themselves, we don’t come down to their level quite enough to make them feel all comfortable when they go visit the doctor.

This has to be a joke, doesn’t it. A really bad nightmare where you dream that you live in a country where you work really really hard to pay taxes for everyone else which someone without asking you then takes and gives to a group of people who don’t do any fucking work and who then go and criticise you, using the money you’ve just paid them. And when it comes time for you or your family to rock up to the school or hospital or whatever to get your share of the taxes you’ve been paying. Sorry, none left. Too much demand for the full deluxe “wrap-around” service from “those in need.” And what do you mean, “that’s not fair?” What are ya? Wacist or something?
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June 8, 2013 2:53pm
Black with a Vengeance

A drop in the bucket of what was taken from them though eh boy?
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June 8, 2013 2:53pm
Black with a Vengeance

I’ll shout you a replacement colostomy bag JB if you can tell me whats wrong with this sentence…

Breton Grove resident Marc Nicholas and his Priscilla Cres neighbour Gavin Forman were evacuated from their homes with their families when the slip struck at 4.30am last Saturday.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8771257/Slip-victims-Where-did-the-water-come-from
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June 8, 2013 2:55pm
Johnboy

I give up “Coon with Constipation”

I shit continously in my bag and it needs changing ten times a day.

See you soon! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 3:02pm
Reid

A drop in the bucket of what was taken from them though eh boy?

True Black but I’m not responsible for what my great great great grandparents did and neither are you responsible for what yours did either. But if you want to play that game then I suggest we round up all the Maori still alive and prosecute the whole lot of them for war-crimes based on what they did. They’ll probably say the same thing about us too. Do we want to play that game? No?

So how about let’s deal with things like: how come the courts these days allow Maori to make up oral history on the spot and ignore the testimony of Crown Historians who base their evidence on actual documents that others can read as well as them, unlike the Maori “evidence which is based on thoughts telepathically transmitted from their ancestors. How about we deal with things like that, Black? Or is that wacist?
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June 8, 2013 3:08pm
Reid

Here’s an interesting development in the Syrian situation:

http://www.gilad.co.uk/writings/syria-israel-is-losing-the-battle.html

And something for people who STILL don’t get how the global financial system works.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/economics/item/15473-world-bank-insider-blows-whistle-on-corruption-federal-reserve
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June 8, 2013 3:15pm
Johnboy

“I suggest we round up all the Maori still alive and prosecute the whole lot of them for war-crimes based on what they did. ”

That seems a little excessive Reid…. 🙂

Rounding them all up for the way they bring up their sprogs would be a better bet…. 🙂

If that is too hard just rounding them all up for the way they drive their shitter cars would seem pretty easy under the Land Transport Act! … 🙂
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June 8, 2013 3:17pm
Black with a Vengeance

Never let the facts get in the way of a good story Weid. Oral traditions aren’t always about the truth.

Dunno bout wacist but definitely culturally insensitive…Pasifikans have feelings to you know and just cos the majority dont express them doesn’t mean you shouldnt take them into account 🙂
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June 8, 2013 3:22pm
Graeme2

“A drop in the bucket of what was taken from them though eh boy?”

No actually not true. Very little was taken per se. Most was purchased often more than once. Don’t believe everything the Waitangi Tribunal tells you.
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June 8, 2013 3:31pm
Black with a Vengeance

Anonymous releases private NSA documents regarding spying

Greetings Netizens, and Citizens of the world.

Anonymous has obtained some documents that “they” do not want you to see, and much to “their” chagrin, we have found them, and are giving them to you.
These documents prove that the NSA is spying on you, and not just Americans. They are spying on the citizens of over 35 different countries.

http://pastebin.com/MPpT7xaf

Seems to align with what Key proposes for the GCSB.
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June 8, 2013 3:32pm
Black with a Vengeance

What happens when you TAKE away a peoples right to sovereignty and self determination ?

Put a price on that, and thats what we’re paying for…
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June 8, 2013 3:36pm
Graeme2

“What happens when you TAKE away a peoples right to sovereignty and self determination ?

Put a price on that, and thats what we’re paying for…”

Sovereignty and self determination were not taken away but willingly traded for security and rule of law. It might pay to remember that Maori tribes had spent the 30 years prior to the signing of the treaty in a constant state of warfare and had managed to exterminate around 40 to 50,000 of their own people.
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June 8, 2013 3:43pm
Black with a Vengeance

It might pay to remember that Maori tribes had spent the 30 years prior to the signing of the treaty in a constant state of warfare and had managed to exterminate around 40 to 50,000 of their own people.

WW1 or 2 much ?..and what did the Maori do for NZ in those instances ?

Lest we forget!
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June 8, 2013 3:48pm
Graeme2

All New Zealanders made incredible sacrifices during the two world wars. Not relevant to the topic raised.
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June 8, 2013 3:51pm
Johnboy

It’s a well known fact in NZ that the 28th Battalion actually won WW2.

The 60 million other dead folks had nothing to do with the final result! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 3:57pm
Johnboy

I mean none of the other 60 million bastards could do a proper haka for fucks sake! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 4:00pm
Graeme2

Sorry Johnboy I must have missed that. I take it all back Blackwhatever.
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June 8, 2013 4:01pm
Johnboy

Is it only me in our bedarkened little country that gets pissed with all this murri shit?

Why do we have to put visiting dignitaries through the disgusting routine of being threatened by some fatarsed spear waver and if he/she passes the test they then have to suffer the bloody indignity of having to rub their noses on some some half naked, bare arsed savage?

Why does every ship that we hire have to be renamed in jigaboo?

Interisland ferries being a prime example.

We never renamed HMNZS Achilles and it did us proud.

Time we grew up as a country.
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June 8, 2013 4:10pm
Black with a Vengeance

It might pay to remember what the European tribes did to each other in those wars before claiming a moral high ground by pointing out what Maori did to each other.
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June 8, 2013 4:10pm
Black with a Vengeance

Time you grew up as a man before you start pointing out what the country should do boy….babysteps Lil John!
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June 8, 2013 4:13pm
Johnboy

We honkies of course have advanced in the last few hundred years Blackie while your lot just keep on going backward! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 4:14pm
Black with a Vengeance

Advanced in what way JB ?
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June 8, 2013 4:18pm
Johnboy

In almost every way. Just as one example. Blackie.

(1) We spend more time encouraging our children to achieve instead of killing them 🙂

I could give another few hundred but I can’t be bothered talking to a retard really. 🙂
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June 8, 2013 4:24pm
Kea

Reid, I tend to think the entire “war on terror” is really just a bunch of international bully boys killing Muslims because the Jews do not like them. Obama is murdering Muslims all over the Middle East, Africa and central Asia. None of these people are enemies of the USA. They are enemies of Israel, or at least not fans of Israel.

America pours billions into Israel as well as spending billions more in killing Muslims on Israels behalf. Not to mention the number of US, and its allies. deaths. Does anyone stop and think why a Middle Eastern country, to which the US owes no favour, is supported by billions of dollars of working Americans money ? It is a bizzare situation when you stop and think about it. Possibly less so when you know that it was only in the past couple of years that Israel took over the US as the worlds biggest Jewish country.

I am not into many of your conspiracies Reid, but clearly something is up with this.
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June 8, 2013 4:24pm
Black with a Vengeance

Technology has advanced, humans sadly haven’t.

You’re living proof boy!
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June 8, 2013 4:29pm
Kea

Sooty with an attitude problem, Give up all of evil YT’s wicked inventions and you will soon see what JB means by advanced.
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June 8, 2013 4:29pm
Reid

What happens when you TAKE away a peoples right to sovereignty and self determination ?

You can’t take away a people’s right to self-determination, Black. That’s something that only they can give away, it can’t be taken from anyone, unless they assent to giving it up. And Maori did. Simple. As. That.

And Maori ever since giving that up, decided to lie themselves down in the gutter and feel sorry for themselves. Drinking themselves stupid, fighting, not educating themselves. As the 20th century came and went, and everyone else built houses and broke in the land and did all sorts of shit and generations came and went, Maori just sat around in their hovels and felt sorry for themselves and continued to drink themselves stupid and not get themselves educated.

Now shit happened to Maori, no-one denies that Black. But no-one forced Maori to react to the shit that happened to them, in the way that Maori did in fact react to it. Just like no-one today forces anyone in poverty not to get themselves educated, if they want to. No-one physically prevents poor people Maori or anyone else, from getting their kids educated. Do they. Sure, shitty parents breed shitty parents ad infinitum.

But there’s a victimhood bullshit arising from politically correct psychobabble which occurs across the western world Black, that we’re not responsible for. And it’s gotten itself mixed up in the redressing-of-the-shit-that-happened-to-Maori, issue. And that doesn’t help anyone. Not Maori and not we who have to pay for it.

This is because, teaching a person that they are entitled to a wrap around service because they’re a victim, doesn’t help that person one little bit. This is because human beings (i.e. not just Maori) are actualised by their own achievements. And if the State, which it does, insists on wrapping itself around every little itch that arises, we’re in big trouble. One because “the state” = us, and we can’t afford that – work it out. How many “victims” at $30k p.a. a pop does it take before “the state” goes broke? And two because it creates a grievance mentality, which hello, we already have. And if anyone thinks that’s a healthy place to be, they’re either naive about life, or completely fucking mental.
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June 8, 2013 4:33pm
Black with a Vengeance

Yeah OK Kea. Strip away the killer drones and surveillance, the media distractions and genetically modified foods and tell me how you’ve advanced again ?
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June 8, 2013 4:33pm
Black with a Vengeance

The state isn’t broke because of Maori Reid. Its broke cos of greedy white muthafuckas screwing the system and legislating in their own favour since day one of the treaty. Own that shit !

How many Maori do you know and interact with feel entitled or grieved ?
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June 8, 2013 4:39pm
Reid

How many Maori do you know and interact with feel entitled or grieved ?

On a percentage basis Black, over 80%. That would make a good survey question, you know that? Sadly, what’s the bet the Wace Welations Conciliator would leap in and say that’s tewwibly wacist to ask that and we mustn’t mention it at all. A bit like talking about the war to a German.

The state isn’t broke because of Maori Reid.

Not yet Black, but it’s heading that way, because of the victimhood grievance mentality which leaves no room for recognition of healthy values. Own that shit!
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June 8, 2013 4:46pm
Black with a Vengeance

I’m calling bullshit on you Reid.
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June 8, 2013 4:49pm
Kea

Ungrateful darkie with an attitude, so the only advances you can think of are Drones and GE crops ?

How are you posting on KB today ? With a carved stick ? You stone age folk did not even have a written language. Strip naked and piss off into the forest for a couple of years. If you make it out alive, then you will have some credibility.

Until then show a little gratitude to your white minders.
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June 8, 2013 4:53pm
Johnboy

“White Minders”

I love that Kea!

Do you have copyright or can we all use it? 🙂
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June 8, 2013 4:57pm
Reid

Reid, I tend to think the entire “war on terror” is really just a bunch of international bully boys killing Muslims because the Jews do not like them.

You’re right and you’re wrong Kea. You’re right that the entire ‘war on terror’ is a manufactured operation but while it appears to be directed by Israel, it’s not. The people who are directing the war on terror have the destruction of Israel on their agenda. Sure, they use the people who control Israel to do their bidding, just like any useful idiot minions are used and so Bibbie and all the rest of the scum who run Israel use their influence to get the US to do various things but that’s a blind, a front.

I’ll say no more because penetrating this while not at all difficult since its not rocket science, does tend to engender hysteria as ignorant ill-informed people go off on tangents like hallucinating one is being anti-semetic and other such claptrap and I just can’t be arsed explaining patiently how that’s not what I’m doing at all.

Suffice to say if you think Israel is the end of the road in terms of responsibility, look again.

I’m calling bullshit on you Reid.

Crikey. Really?

Er….

What pray tell are you calling bullshit on, Black? Just everything? Simply the whole lot, period, bar none? It’s just hard to understand your bullshit calling problem that’s all.
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June 8, 2013 4:59pm
Kea

Reid, why is it ok to pour hate on Muslims and other religions, but anything less than grovelling praise for Jews caused hysteria ?
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June 8, 2013 5:06pm
cha

Let’s imagine for a moment……

The first immigrants to Europe arrived thousands of years ago from central Asia. Most pre-contact Europeans lived together in small villages. Because the continent was very crowded, their lives were ruled by strict hierarchies within the family and outside it to control resources. Europe was highly multi-ethnic, and most tribes were ruled by hereditary leaders who commanded the majority “commoners.” These groups were engaged in near constant warfare.

Pre-contact Europeans wore clothing made of natural materials such as animal skin and plant and animal-based textiles. Women wore long dresses and covered their hair, and men wore tunics and leggings. Both men and women liked to wear jewelry made from precious stones and metals as a sign of status. Before contact, Europeans had very poor diets. Most people were farmers and grew wheat and vegetables and raised cows and sheep to eat. They rarely washed themselves, and had many diseases because they often let their animals live with them.

Religion infused every part of Europeans’ lives. Europeans believed in one supreme deity, a father figure, who they believed was made of three parts, and they particularly worshiped the deity’s son. They claimed that their god had given humans domination over the earth. They built elaborate temples to him and performed ceremonies in which they ate crackers and drank wine and believed it was the body and blood of their god, who would provide them with entrance into a wondrous afterlife called heaven when they died. Many wars were fought over disagreements about the details of this religion, each group believing their interpretation was the right one that should be spread across the land.
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June 8, 2013 5:07pm
Black with a Vengeance

I think you’ll find the thing i’m using to post here comes under media distraction.

The point you fail to grasp, is that for all your “white” inventions, you as a people and culture haven’t advanced anymore than the neanderthals your ancestors fucked into extinction.

You should thank your lucky stars you still have us as a ‘dark’ conscience to keep guiding y’all towards spiritual enlightenment 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:07pm
Johnboy

“They rarely washed themselves, and had many diseases because they often let their animals live with them.”

Thank God for Lord Leverhulme.

Time For Sir Gareth Morgan to take his place! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:11pm
Black with a Vengeance

What pray tell are you calling bullshit on, Black? Just everything? Simply the whole lot, period, bar none?

YOU dear fellow. I’m calling bullshit on you, full stop!
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June 8, 2013 5:12pm
Johnboy

What you doing for Matariki Blackie? 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:13pm
Black with a Vengeance

Helping put on a free community event to celebrate…All cultures welcome.
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June 8, 2013 5:15pm
Johnboy

Shit hot.

Only four more scores to go for 11000.

Now where have I misplaced some willing murri dumbos? 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:17pm
Pete George

Whael Oil is trying an interesting new feature, you can see who has up voted or down voted comments. Not sure it’s a good idea, but there is a related comment that’s also relevant here:

The only thing that ever amused me was redbaiter leaving a comment, and within 10 minutes he would have 15 upvotes, when it takes an hour or so for anyone else to accumulate that many. It was when he started saying he was the most popular and publicly supported commenter as “proven” by his accumulated upvotes that it was time to expose him.

Yes, it can be rigged. Easily so. You want upvotes? Go for broke. Just having 4 browsers will get you 3, and that’s before you do anything more exciting than that like use your tablet and phone as well. I found it amusing he decided to trade on it.

Of course, he didn’t like to be called on it, asking if I thought he would really do that on purpose. I replied in the positive, as it was very obviously rigged (unless he has a few dozen acolytes on stand-by at all times). His ability to “outperform” any of the prolific and genuinely popular commenters by a factor of 3-4, and to do so not throughout the day but within 20 minutes of posting was a little too odd for it to be believable.

And yes, it takes a nerdy data boy like me to notice patterns like that. redbaiter correctly assumed nobody else would care to look. But one of my jobs here is to look for patterns, good or bad, so we can do more of the good stuff and stop what doesn’t work.

Similar patterns are here at times, and not just with RB. There can be unusual surges of votes at times.
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June 8, 2013 5:20pm
Reid

Reid, why is it ok to pour hate on Muslims and other religions, but anything less than grovelling praise for Jews caused hysteria ?

Que?

YOU dear fellow. I’m calling bullshit on you, full stop!

I’m struggling to understand the meaning, Black. Also I’m struggling to understand if I care.
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June 8, 2013 5:23pm
Johnboy

There can be unusual surges of libido too at times PG and none of them have much to do with your browser. 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:24pm
Black with a Vengeance

I’m struggling to understand the meaning, Black. Also I’m struggling to understand if I care or not.

Way to sum up your life in 20 words or less.

The truth will set you free 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:28pm
nasska

PG

You bloody beaut….are we going to have some fun with this info! 🙂 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:29pm
mikenmild

If you talk about Reddy, will it appear?
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June 8, 2013 5:34pm
nasska

Doesn’t matter if he turns up today, tomorrow or next year mikenmild….this will keep….just like good cheese! 🙂
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June 8, 2013 5:41pm
mikenmild

If Redbaiter were a cheese, what would it be?
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