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RightNow

Oi, watch my tea
http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/wasnt_labor_the_party_of_big_hugs_and_compassion/
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June 6, 2013 8:07am
Pete George

United Future have advised that the party will re-register in the next week or two.

In the meantime, while continuing making unsubstantiated accusations about the GCSB leak, Winston Peters has also made accusations (on Radio NZ) that UF acted illegally since the election, something that he also cannot substantiate.

UF have acted properly in asking to be de-registerd to sort out membership issues.

Winston Peters continues to act dishonestly.

United Future to re-register soon.
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June 6, 2013 8:16am
lilman

Wonder what past demons we will have to exercise today?
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June 6, 2013 8:18am
Longknives

Good to see the NZRFU sending out a strong Anti-Domestic Violence message with the selection of Julian Savea for the first Test.
Boy I bet he has certainly learned his lesson.

“It’s not Okay” (*Unless you are an All Black)
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June 6, 2013 8:21am
lilman

Love the sentence for the dad who pimped out his young son,I mean 8 years ,will these joke sentences ever end?
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June 6, 2013 8:28am
liarbors a joke

“United Future have advised that the party will re-register in the next week or two.”

*snigger..snort*…
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June 6, 2013 8:34am
peterwn

A few Novapay observations:
John Armstrong of the Herald said in an ideal world there would have been Ministerial resignation(s). This is moot, since in an ideal world, Novapay would have been delivered on time, to budget and with no hiccups.

The Novapay report to the Ministers saying it was all ‘hunky dory’ reminds me of the story of the new Leningrad tractor maintenance plant. Work never even started on it, but fearing repercussions from Moscow, a series of reports were sent reporting on progress. Near the ‘end’ a certificate was sent from the local fire chief saying it complied with all fire safety requirements – he could issue it with a straight face since the bare site did comply. Now that the plant was allegedly completed, orders came from Moscow to close down the old plant (read Datacom) and the peasants had nowhere to get their tractors serviced.
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June 6, 2013 8:37am
liarbors a joke

aw come on Pete…have a laugh..
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June 6, 2013 8:40am
Lance

In a PC world, offenders have rights – the innocent don’t

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8761374/Boy-threatens-safety-of-schoolmates
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June 6, 2013 8:42am
Pete George

At least if UF succeed in re-registering they will be the only party in Parliament with a membership verified by the Electoral Commission.

Winston Peters should put his mouth where his accusations are – how many members does NZ First have and can Peters gurantee they are legitimate members? Not that a Peters guranantee is worth much.
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June 6, 2013 8:42am
hj

Lastnight on Seven Sharp Rachael Smalley said dairy farmers couldn’t get NZ’rs to work because they were “afraid of hard work”… that’s how she introduced the item.
She was contradicted by an Asian girl (guest) who didn’t agree she said the Philipino’s were coming from a country with lower living standards, etc, etc.
Imagine a young man stuck in the Maniatoto etc (the Philipino’s bring their families). The first thing that struck me about the proposition is a social thing.. your a man servant to a Kiwi family..?
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June 6, 2013 8:43am
Pauleastbay

peterwn (2,186) Says:

June 6th, 2013 at 8:37 am
A few Novapay observations:
John Armstrong of the Herald said in an ideal world there would have been Ministerial resignation(s).

Why would Ministers resign? In an ideal world the department would not have lied to the Ministers to cover up their inability to organise a piss up in a brewery.

I loathe politicians but if employee “A” tells me its 8.00am in the morning and he is being paid to tell me that, there is a reasonable expectation that “A” is telling me the truth. If he knows its not 8.00am but persists how is that a Ministers fault.? Which is why there are major employment investigations going on at the Ministry for a couple of these people who have obviously supplied false information and the conclusion you could fairly draw from the report is that the false information was supplied deliberately.
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June 6, 2013 8:55am
flipper

Longknives (2,561) Says:
June 6th, 2013 at 8:21 am
Good to see the NZRFU sending out a strong Anti-Domestic Violence message with the selection of Julian Savea for the first Test.
Boy I bet he has certainly learned his lesson.

“It’s not Okay” (*Unless you are an All Black)
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What a load of crap.

You have absolutely NO IDEA what occurred, do you?
If you had, you would not have made such a gratuitous comment.
And use what little intelligence you possess to consider the following: 22year old + public figure + earnings of $400,000 pa plus + push + who pushed first+ financial issues that do not reflect well on some of those around JS.

So, Longknives, STFU
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June 6, 2013 9:13am
doggone7

It’s good to see the NZRFU sending out a strong message with the selection of Julian Savea for the first Test.

“If you’re charged with any offence, it’s not just okay to keep going to work, it’s essential.”
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June 6, 2013 9:16am
SPC

The real message is that selection for the AB’s is not based on form.
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June 6, 2013 9:22am
Paulus

Why am I being daily bombarded with alternatives comments to anything by University professors, being eagerly sought by the media to give any contrary view to everything.
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June 6, 2013 9:26am
smttc

Oh the irony. Winston Peters on Moaning Report demanding Peter Dunne pay back taxpayer money. And Simon Mercep, the useless bastard that he is, didn’t even call him on it and the $158,000 of taxpayer funds he refuses to pay back.
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June 6, 2013 9:29am
peterwn

Pauleastbay

I was trying to wrestle with the matter in the context of the responsibilities expected of failed finance company directors. These directors claimed that they relied on the advice and reports of the executives, but the courts have said that was not enough.

However it would seem to me that if Ministers were to be held accountable in this manner, they should have the ability to directly hire and fire CEO’s and their top staffs, in other words a politicised public service as in USA.

Perhaps a lesson here is Ministers and their advisers should be able to get ‘second opinions’ and from the horse’s mouth. For example the Electricity Authority effectively provides ‘second opinions’ as to Transpower’s work – this being justified because of the vast sums of money potentially involved. There was a ‘second opinion’ mechanism in the Novopay case, but it fell over as instead of the ‘second opinion’ being conveyed to the Minister, it was merely summarised inaccurately in the main report. Failing to read and take notice of the INCIS debacle report when embarking on Novopay was a major blunder.

Helen Clark knew a thing or two – she had mechanisms in place to ensure she and her Ministers were not caught ‘on the hop’ with this sort of thing – never mind that this cost a bomb. It seems that National has dismantled these mechanisms and in doing so has left its Ministers (John Key included) too much at the mercy of public service failings. Seems they were too trusting of human nature.
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June 6, 2013 9:30am
hj

smttc (421) Says
Did they discuss this:

Immigration and tax breaks for investment in residential property are being cited as the underlying causes of steep increases in the cost of housing over the past decade.

New Zealand now boasts one of the highest rates of home unaffordability in the world as a result of prices rising far faster than incomes, and the government’s Savings Working Group blames that squarely on the policies of successive governments.

Although “the favourable tax treatment of property investment” accounted for about 50% of house price increases between 2001 and 2007, the working group said, there was also strong evidence that rapid swings in immigration brought about price-rise “shocks”.

There was a sharp spike in immigration in 2001, 2002 and 2003 and, said working group committee member Dr Andrew Coleman, it appeared that property prices did not fall anywhere near as greatly when immigration fell again.

The report added that there was little evidence that immigration boosted local incomes. In fact, the need to build roads and schools meant that net migration contributed to the national deficit.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices
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June 6, 2013 9:34am
smttc

hj

Meh.
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June 6, 2013 9:56am
Pete George

After one week, two select committee hearings, and four question times, the only “evidence” Winston Peters has come up with is that Peter Dunne talks to journalists.

the pure connection by dates of exclusive leaks shortly after those phone calls

So Peter Dunne talked to a journalist (as he frequently does) and “shortly afterwards” a copy of the Kitteridge report was given to a journalist.

That’s how weak his case is, he has no credible evidence. That’s why he cowardly accuses under parliamentary privilege. He knows he doesn’t have a case.

Peters accusation against Dunne – zero credible evidence
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June 6, 2013 10:01am
iMP

Looks like Lianne Dalziel (who is expected to giver her parliamentary valedictory in July) is getting increasingly desperate to gather a team in Chch (Sam Johnson turned her down). Now she’s trolling the distant past as an answer to the future in Chch. Riiii-gght.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/06/dalziel-getting-desperate/
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June 6, 2013 10:11am
iMP

David, having travelled America extensively, RE YOUR ROAD TRIP. Looking at your schedule, you’re basically driving the whole time, and to hot states in the hottest part of the US year. Why spend so much time in a truck on asphalt? It will get real tedious, real quick.

Personally, I’d delete some destinations and stay longer at less, and enjoy it more. Just my 2c worth.
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June 6, 2013 10:16am
Carlos

I guess this is what happens when feral kids grow up to be feral parents.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10888698
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June 6, 2013 10:37am
publicwatchdog

http://www.nbr.co.nz/ask-john

Who is John Palino?

The sole right wing challenger to Auckland Mayor Len Brown (from the left, the Labour-leaning Mr Brown faces Penny Bright and John Minto; postal voting opens September).

What does the US import have to offer 1.3 million super city inhabitants?

……………………….

___________________________________________________________

My question ( yet to be published)

Hi John!

Can you please list your proven achievements to date, where you have taken on Auckland Council, or any of the former 8 Councils in the Auckland region, on any matter, which have resulted in improvements for the public majority of citizens and ratepayers?

Kind regards,

Penny Bright
Fellow 2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate 🙂
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June 6, 2013 10:38am
dime

longknives the All Blacks supporter from way back.. arent you a pom?

Is JS allowed to play any rugby in your strange world?

Or should he be made to go work at pak n save?

I take it JS was actually convicted of something right?
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June 6, 2013 10:48am
graham

Hi Penny!

Can you please list your proven achievements to date, where you have taken on Auckland Council, or any of the former 8 Councils in the Auckland region, on any matter, which have resulted in improvements for the public majority of citizens and ratepayers?

Kind regards,

graham
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June 6, 2013 10:50am
Fletch

A crowd made up of ‘Unite Against Fascism’ and Muslims destroys the flower memorial to murdered soldier Lee Rigby.
Total disrespect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7bcSiV8Kag
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June 6, 2013 10:51am
Fletch

LOL, too funny.
‘Man caves” created by employees of a warehouse maintained by contractors to the EPA in America discovered.

A warehouse maintained by contractors for the Environmental Protection Agency contained secret rooms full of exercise equipment, televisions and couches, according to an internal audit.

EPA’s inspector general found contractors used partitions, screens and piled up boxes to hide the rooms from security cameras in the 70,000 square-foot building located in Landover, Md. The warehouse — used for inventory storage — is owned by the General Services Administration and leased to the EPA for about $750,000 per year.

The EPA has issued a stop work order to Apex Logistics LLC, the responsible contractor, ensuring the company’s workers no longer have access to the site — EPA security officials escorted contractor personnel off the premises on May 17 — and ending all payments on the contract.

Since awarding the contract in May 2007, EPA has paid Apex Logistics about $5.3 million, most of which went to labor costs. Conditions at the facility “raise questions about time charges made by warehouse employees under the contract,” the report said.

“The warehouse contained multiple unauthorized and hidden personal spaces created by and for the workers that included televisions, refrigerators, radios, microwaves, chairs and couches,” the IG report said. “These spaces contained personal items, including photos, pin ups, calendars, clothing, books, magazines and videos.”

The agency has completed an inventory of the warehouse’s contents and segregated all surplus furniture. EPA has committed to conducting an agency-wide review of all warehouse and storage facility operations.

In addition to the secret rooms, the IG found an incomplete and inaccurate recordkeeping system; numerous potential security and safety hazards, including an open box of passports; and “deplorable conditions” — such as corrosion, vermin feces and “pervasive” mold.

EPA acting Administrator Bob Perciasepe said in a letter to the inspector general the agency has taken “immediate, aggressive actions” in response to the findings.

“The EPA is committed to addressing the previous conditions at the warehouse and implementing institutional protections to ensure those conditions do not recur at this facility or any other used by the agency,” Perciasepe wrote.

http://www.govexec.com/contracting/2013/06/secret-man-caves-found-epa-warehouse/64202/
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June 6, 2013 10:58am
Peter

The Novapay report to the Ministers saying it was all ‘hunky dory’ reminds me of the story of the new Leningrad tractor maintenance plant. Work never even started on it, but fearing repercussions from Moscow, a series of reports were sent reporting on progress. Near the ‘end’ a certificate was sent from the local fire chief saying it complied with all fire safety requirements – he could issue it with a straight face since the bare site did comply. Now that the plant was allegedly completed, orders came from Moscow to close down the old plant (read Datacom) and the peasants had nowhere to get their tractors serviced.

Heh.

BTW: Has anyone got any book recommendations about life in the former Soviet Union?
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June 6, 2013 11:10am
bc

Lance @ 8.42am
Unbelievable.
Good on the principal for putting the safety of children in her school first and the BOT for backing up the principal. Although it probably won’t happen the Ministry could step in and fire the principal and disband the BOT. So well done to the principal and the board.

It brings up two interesting points:
Firstly, a school is obligated to provide a safe environment for the students. Schools have to report to the Ministry as to how they are doing this and ERO assesses in their visits whether what is being stated in the paperwork is happening in practice. Also any workplace is required to minimise risk for their staff, and face prosecution if they don’t. The principal and the BOT could argue that the Ministry’s position puts their legal requirements at risk.
Secondly, the boy clearly has severe issues and a mainstream school is not the right environment for him.
The Ministry has lost the plot in my opinion!
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June 6, 2013 11:11am
Pete George

As gutless as Winston:

Now that UF and Act are such cosy bedfellows Dunne can get some pointers from Act on how to acquire some false identities to boost their membership numbers, sounds like a job for PG.

I know for a fact that Act are actively trying to recruit legitimate members, John Boscawen asked my if I’d join, and I’ve heard him ask others as well.

And UF has had the guts to admit they didn’t have the numbers and put the future of the party on the line. Jane Clifton at Stuff:

While this is a setback to any plans he may have had for world domination, it’s also possible Mr Dunne is not the first leader to lose his party – just the first leader whose party has; a) risked doing a headcount mid-term, and; b) owned up to falling short.

Would Winston Peters be up front about how many members NZ First has? Would he be prepared to open that up to scrutiny?

What about the Mana Party?

Labour won’t admit how many paid up members they have, they fudge numbers with “affiliates” – union members who have no choice about financing a party.

United Future are setting a standard of integrity on membership. Other parties should do likewise.
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June 6, 2013 11:14am
Pete George

I missed providing links for the above and can’t edit so here they are:
http://thestandard.org.nz/you-cant-be-a-leader-of-nothing/#comment-644314
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/opinion/8762606/When-a-fringe-leader-actually-loses-his-party
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June 6, 2013 11:16am
dime

“I know for a fact that Act are actively trying to recruit legitimate members, John Boscawen asked my if I’d join, and I’ve heard him ask others as well.”

WTF

How on earth would anyone mistake you as an ACT supporter.
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June 6, 2013 11:17am
bhudson

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8763743/Dunedin-council-defends-hotel-decision

Dunedin Mayor Dave Cull said council was keen to encourage quality investment in the city.

“However, any proposal must face the rigour and scrutiny of the resource consent process. The hotel application could not pass the required thresholds and so resource consent was not granted.”

Or, to aid interpretation, “we’re keen for your money as long as we can keep living in the past”

@Pete George, what’s up with your berg? Are they determined for Dunedin to be nothing but a backwater?
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June 6, 2013 11:18am
bc

Also, you gotta love this bit: “The school appealed to Education Minister Hekia Parata, who refused to get involved.”
What a surprise!
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June 6, 2013 11:19am
Pete George

bhudson – the RMA Act rules against anything that will have anything more than a minor affect. So Dunimby City is destined to remain nothing more than minor.

The Green Party mobilised submissions against the hotel and then claim that 80% of the city is against – that’s an abuse of democracy.
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June 6, 2013 11:25am
Pete George

dime – I was invited to and attended an Act conference. I met John Banks and had quite a long discussion with John Boscawen. It was very interesting.

For a minor party Act is very fortunate to have an asset like Boscawen who is prepared to do so much for the party – he enhances Act’s chances of survival sunstantially, more so than Banks.
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June 6, 2013 11:27am
bhudson

Perhaps Peter Dunne should put you a bit higher up the list then
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June 6, 2013 11:27am
Scott Chris

How to legally drive at 105 in a 50 kph area:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10888746&ref=rss

Good on him.
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June 6, 2013 11:34am
Scott Chris

Some evidence that Hamilton is collectively stupid.
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June 6, 2013 11:39am
RightNow

bc “The Ministry has lost the plot in my opinion!” – yeah, I’ve had that impression of MoE for a while now. They just seem so inept, or perhaps its more of a heavy vehicle that lacks the ability to change direction very quickly.
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June 6, 2013 11:41am
RightNow

Scott Chris (4,910) Says:
“Some evidence that Hamilton is collectively stupid.”

The “evidence” so far consists of the opinion of health advocates.
In years to come Hamilton will actually be a reference case to compare outcomes and actually provide empirical evidence regarding fluoridation.
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June 6, 2013 11:46am
bc

Scott Chris: The council seems pretty stupid, ignoring what their citizens want. The people of Hamilton will be pretty stupid if they vote them back in again.
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June 6, 2013 11:56am
dime

“dime – I was invited to and attended an Act conference. I met John Banks and had quite a long discussion with John Boscawen. It was very interesting.”

so they were trying to convert you from boring middle of the road?
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June 6, 2013 12:10pm
wf

@Peter (11.10 am)

I just reread Nelson de Mille’s ‘The Charm School’ which was set in Russia, around Moscow during the cold war. Quite informative and still a jolly good read too.
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June 6, 2013 12:16pm
Ross12

Australia — who needs polls when you have this happening ??

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/two_labor_mps_pack_up_their_offices_100_days_before_the_election/

If this is going on 100 days out from their election then the next few months are going to be interesting.
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June 6, 2013 12:17pm
nickb

UF have acted properly in asking to be de-registerd to sort out membership issues.

Thanks for that Pete, are you UF’s chief of staff / PR advisor now?
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June 6, 2013 12:26pm
Pete George

No nick, far from either, I’m just stating something that’s fairly obvious to most people. It would have been improper to file a false return.

So it’s the correct thing to do, despite putting the future of the party on the line. Ultimately I think it’s a good thing – it will prove the current viability of the party if they can re-register. And that will put to rest a lot of dissing.

And if they fail it would prove there’s insufficient suport to keep the party going, leaving Winston Peters to hold National to ransom.
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June 6, 2013 12:31pm
dime

“And if they fail it would prove there’s insufficient suport to keep the party going, leaving Winston Peters to hold National to ransom.”

or open the door for a new friend.. mr craig.
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June 6, 2013 12:36pm
Pete George

Yes, the Mr Craig Party is a possibility but will find 5% a very hig hurdle.

Act could claw back another couple of seats if no one does anything too brash this time, but that is unlikely to be enough, National will find it very hard to maintain their current number of seats.

Has any second term Government party increased their seats for their third term?
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June 6, 2013 12:41pm
dime

“Yes, the Mr Craig Party is a possibility but will find 5% a very hig hurdle.” As does the rort that is united future.

Hence, no dung, craig gets an easy seat. Us good bastards at rodney will vote him in.

sure he offends me a bit, but id prefer him to dung.

where is dung today? hope he hasnt had to catch a flight. imagine the outrage if his lordship was on an old 737 again.
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June 6, 2013 12:45pm
thedavincimode

PG

Calm down. This is how D4J & R Fletcher of Tauranga started out. Everybody already knows that Peters is a dodgy bullshitting little cunt so you don’t have to keep telling us.
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June 6, 2013 12:45pm
Lance

@bc
Yes you are right about the ministry having to provide a safe environment.
Just as an instance many years ago my wife had to find schooling for a 15 year old from Bosnia (or somewhere around there) who had been in the army and seen action.
Difficult.
As it turned out after lots of assessment he was accepted into one school and turned out to be a model student. He wanted to learn and respect the teachers. The opposite of the little shit in question.
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June 6, 2013 12:51pm
Pete George

I’d be happy to see Craig get an electorate seat, but it won’t be easy, despite the amount of money he seems to keep pouring into it. If UF had quarter as much money as his party they would likely do a lot better, the party is severely underresourced.

And I’d be happy to see the Conservatives get a few seats, it will represent a constituency that will otherwise miss out on representation.
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June 6, 2013 12:52pm
Peter

I just reread Nelson de Mille’s ‘The Charm School’ which was set in Russia, around Moscow during the cold war. Quite informative and still a jolly good read too.

Cheers wf
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June 6, 2013 1:03pm
Manolo

The always-concerned and politically-correct davinci will love the news: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8670594/man-denies-attack-on-rotorua-infant
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June 6, 2013 1:45pm
jedmo

@bc
I hope the school principal gets a lot of support, she’s simply protecting those she is responsible for. MoE are in a PC fairyland; Minister of Education MIA again, plse plse John Key bring back Anne Tolley; or anyone except Hekia.
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June 6, 2013 2:04pm
Pete George

Things are looking up in Parliament.

Trevor Mallard, Winston Peters and all NZF MPs walked out and are boycotting it. Everyone else rejoiced.

@katieabradford

Winston Peters says it’s a “shabby day for democracy” over Dunne affair, while Trevor Mallard makes corruption allegations against Speaker
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June 6, 2013 2:32pm
Pete George

Labour MP Trevor Mallard and the entire NZ First caucus have walked out of Parliament in a protest.

Mallard was the first to leave and NZ First leader Winston Peters then announced his entire party was leaving in protest over Speaker David Carter’s ruling over the United Future Party.

The Electoral Commission last week announced United Future would be de-registered as a political party after failing to prove its membership.

Leader Peter Dunne this afternoon announced his party would seek to be re-registered on Monday.

Carter ruled he could keep the parliamentary entitlements he receives because of his status as the leader of a party.

He gave Dunne “some time to put the matter right”. “I have made my decision, my decision stands.”

Opposition parties questioned his ruling and said Dunne should lose the entitlements, including additional funding given to leaders.

Mallard said that made Parliament a “farce”.

He was asked to apologise but refused saying he would rather leave the debating chamber.

Peters then said if Carter would not release the legal advise behind his decision, NZ First MPs would also leave the House.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8764720/MPs-walk-out-of-question-time
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June 6, 2013 2:37pm
TheContrarian

@Pete

I am listening/watching live and Carter has almost lost control of the house
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June 6, 2013 2:40pm
TheContrarian

Johnathan Coleman has just been kicked out too.
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June 6, 2013 2:42pm
Pete George

TC – not losing control on his own.

Did the walkout look planned or spontaneous (as spontaneous as a whole party following their leader can be)?
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June 6, 2013 2:43pm
TheContrarian

Well, either way – it is fucking chaos.
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June 6, 2013 2:45pm
Pete George

@GraemeEdgeler

The rules aren’t explicit, but the better view is that as written, the rules entitle Peter Dunne to party and leaders funding in Parliament.

If that’s the case the Mallard/NZF hissy fit is an overreaction.
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June 6, 2013 2:49pm
Viking2

Mallard quits the House.

And makes the biggest joke of his time as an MP.

His departure was motivated by ”a sense of the importance of Parliament”, Mallard said.

When it fucking suits him.

Time you went all together mallard.
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June 6, 2013 2:59pm
Right of way is Way of Right

I have been following this story about this Paeroa school that has been directed by the MoE to take in this extremely violent and dangerous youth.

It would appear that common sense has taken a holiday inside this ministry, and is yet another example of the disconnect that this bunch of bureaucrats has from anything approaching reality.

A little integrity and common sense here would see this problem being addressed without putting every other student at the school at risk from this future gang prospect. Home schooling is not the answer for this little hooligan either, for it was at home that this behaviour started. Surely there is an educational environment that this child can be placed in that will allow him to receive some semblance of an education before it is too late, although I suspect that particular ship may have already sailed!

The recommended action by the MoE in this case does nothing but the following:

1. Introduces an unacceptable element of risk to the other students.
2. Introduces an element of risk to the teachers, and one that they do not have the ability to effectively respond to, given that they cannot physically restrain a child.
3. Will cause a drain of the resources available to every child in the school, both financial and in terms of teacher time, in that this child will have to be monitored every minute of the day. Are they going to hire a security guard to watch him?
4. Will disrupt the learning of every child that is exposed to this disruptive little hooligan.

This will end with a teacher or student being assautled, possibly hospitalised, with a chorus of “I told you so’s” from all the authorities who said this was a bad idea, and a mass shrug of the shoulders from the MoE officials who will claim that they ‘were only following established policy’!

When you apply policy with such a basic pavlovian reaction (if a happens, do b!), you are going to have these situations.

Why can people not just actually THINK anymore!
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June 6, 2013 3:12pm
Manolo

A good article on why the UK is losing (and will continue to lose) the war against Islamic terror:
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/8922171/the-enemies-within/
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June 6, 2013 3:25pm
Manolo

A dyke vs Michelle: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2336084/Michelle-Obama-threatens-leave-fundraiser-lesbian-protester-heckles-speech-White-House-deletes-exchange-official-transcript.html
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June 6, 2013 3:36pm
nasska

RoWiWoR @ 3.12

What IMHO makes the situation worse is that there is an alternative on the table…Ref: http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8761374/Boy-threatens-safety-of-schoolmates

….”We’re actually hoping that we can negotiate a solution with the ministry and the child gets to go to Thames Valley Alternative Education Centre.”

The centre deals with children who have been excluded from secondary school. This option has been agreed to by all parties, except the ministry. “….

It would seem that only a pig headed dogmatic fool in the Ministry’s special education group is standing in the way of a rational solution to the problem.

As an aside, all kudos to the principal of Paeroa Central School….in a profession dominated by wishy washy over educated half wits she is a shining beacon of guts & common sense.
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June 6, 2013 3:43pm
Left Right and Centre

Scott Chris 11:34 am The story itself it terrific.

The Americanisms are horrific….

It that Herald article are ‘gotten’… drives to the ‘store’…’gas’ for petrol…. ‘license’ is spelt licence.

Store has joined truck as common kiwi words taken from America. I’m fully aware of that. I still try to use shop myself.
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June 6, 2013 3:57pm
Fletch

Manolo @3:36

You can see video (a bit shaky) and hear audio of their exchange HERE
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June 6, 2013 4:00pm
Fletch

Michelle is full of shit. She isn’t there “for the kids”, she is there for herself.
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June 6, 2013 4:04pm
Manolo

Agreed, Fletch. But isn’t she classy and lovely? 😀
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June 6, 2013 4:06pm
bc

jedmo @ 2.04pm
It’s a sad day when you want Anne Tolley back as an Education Minister – it’s easy to forget how bad she was too.
But I’m afraid, you are right when you say anyone except Hekia.
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June 6, 2013 4:11pm
cha

Sixty nine years ago today(GMT+2).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normandy_landings
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June 6, 2013 4:12pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8761374/Violent-boy-leaves-school-trapped

Children are our future….. prison inmates.

Son of senior Mob member (fresh out of prison). 10 year old. Decile 1 school refuses to take him back. Boy has attended ***14!!!!**** schools (he’s fucking ten years old). He’s violent. He’s threatening. Police youth aid told the school you don’t want him.

Education Ministry? Says the school must take him.

Good one fucktards. Well… what do you do with kids that can’t function normally in a school? Something called ‘alternative school’.

Good to see that Hekia Parata refuses to get involved. That’s a bit spineless, innit?

What a frickin mess. The school refused $34 000 in funding for the required support services. Was that just for one ten-year-old? The little cunt would require $34 000 in support so he can go to school without causing mayhem? Far out… the cost of the extreme underclass.
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June 6, 2013 4:16pm
Manolo

A serious criminal in the making.
Truer than ever: scum beget scum.
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June 6, 2013 4:23pm
Chuck Bird

I heard that United Future subs were only $5. ACT’s subs were $20. I think that also was the same with National. I wonder what other party’s subs are. I think there should be a minimum. For most people $5 is not something they would think twice about but a $20 sub would ensure the members are genuine.
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June 6, 2013 4:41pm
bc

Update on the Paeroa school refusing to take a boy with extreme behavioural problems:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10888763

Ministry backs down. Well done to the principal for going public with this.
You’ve got to love the Ministry response:

“We know this boy has some serious behaviour issues and that the concerns of the school and parents are quite genuine”
(now they realise this!)

“Our plan is to have the boy attend the Thames Valley Alternative Education Centre, where he will get specialist support that will also be available to him at home.

Thames is half an hour from Paeroa. So there was a viable alternative that was the best option for everyone all along. Duh!

No doubt there will still be no response from Hekia!
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June 6, 2013 5:33pm
nasska

bc

….”No doubt there will still be no response from Hekia!”….

Are you certain that this is all the Minister’s fault? Unless you know more than has been reported it would seem that she is getting shafted by the backstabbers/incompetents/anti-National brigade who staff the Ministry of Education.

Earlier today it was reported that nearly everyone involved agreed that the kid with behavioural problems was best handled by a specialist unit in Thames. The only dissenter was Ministry special education group manager Brian Coffey who yesterday told the Times it was rare to direct a school to enrol a pupil but the risks to others and the needs of the boy were carefully considered.

Regrettably, as it is not within the Minister’s powers to sack the entire department & start again can you offer some reason why she should front up or stand down or any of the other actions demanded by Labour affiliated Teachers’ unions?
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June 6, 2013 5:49pm
liarbors a joke

“Son of senior Mob member (fresh out of prison). ”

Euthanise both ..I seek nothing less.
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June 6, 2013 5:50pm
Left Right and Centre

bc (881) 5:33 pm Enjoyed the link. Ministry is sooo concerned about toerag’s ‘right to an education’ being denied, shame on you school. His right to an education vs dealing with his severe psychological and behavioural issues.

You don’t make an entire school suit the needs of one total outlier misfit. You take the misfit and put it somewhere else. As they’re now doing. Rights only take you so far when you’re playing up like nothing else…..

ps wouldn’t you love to know what ‘wraparound’ personal arse-wiping guard service means? Just sounds like more bullshit jargon thought up by some loser paid to come up with nonsense.
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June 6, 2013 6:04pm
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8761374/Ministry-backs-down-over-violent-boy

Ministry has done an about face it seems.
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June 6, 2013 6:09pm
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8765315/South-Auckland-dog-attack

Child. Pitbull. South Auckland.

Well… it’s never some posh knob from Remuera’s poodle that tries to rip someone’s face off… it’s always the same old story from the same old fuckwits in the world.

I’m an unemployed bludging mofo… but for me to truly be white trash I’ve got to get myself a really ugly hairstyle, listen to nothing but The Rock, get a Holden, cut people off and get a vicious dog. (And smoke, drink, and have some teenage kids to different mothers and vote greentard).

Why on earth do you want a pitbull? What is it with the underclass and ugly nasty turn-off dogs?
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June 6, 2013 6:50pm
Bad__Cat

Manolo (10,060) Says:
June 6th, 2013 at 4:06 pm
Agreed, Fletch. But isn’t she classy and lovely?

Jeez, Manolo, she’s paper bag over the head material. And a butt to match Julia Gillard. I love the way her detractors call her ” Mooch”
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June 6, 2013 6:55pm
nasska

Bad_Cat

Safety first….never use one paper bag when two might be necessary. 🙂
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June 6, 2013 7:08pm
wiseowl

I see in the ODT that Toe Henry has asked Rachel Smalley to apologise for asking Hekia ‘how Maori are you’?
It seems it was a producer who wanted the question to be asked.

1. It’s time Henry stopped seeing everything as Maari or non Maari .
2.If it was a producer who wanted to ask this stupid question let’s know who the hell this person is.

I am sick of the progressive media trying to dictate their bloody policies given the obvious power they have.
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June 6, 2013 8:21pm
SPC

Peter Dunne singing at the most recent United party conference.

Empty Chairs Empty Tables from Les Miserables.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJnjcX8skXk
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June 6, 2013 8:57pm
SPC

One wonders what a party leader does when his party can longer find 500 people to go out with him to do their work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6blsCGdDI4
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June 6, 2013 9:50pm
SPC

Now is the winter of their discontent.
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June 6, 2013 9:51pm
bc

Just watched an hour of the reply of question time on parliament tv to see the Mallard/NZ First walkout.
Very entertaining, but then there was a further 20 minutes (20 minutes!!) of points of order and argy bargy. Carter was absolutely hopeless at shutting it down.
Question time about half an hour later finally got underway, but what a shambles. Loud shouting and abuse hurled across the floor by all parties while MP’s are answering the questions. Carter allowing it all to happen.
Continual points of order with MP’s arguing with Carter and talking over him.
I haven’t seen question time for a while so it was a shock to see how bad it has become. Come back Lockwood!
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June 6, 2013 11:08pm
SPC

Dunne knows how to clear a room.
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June 6, 2013 11:43pm
Manolo

It looks like one: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2013/06/06/curiosity-rover-leaving-mars-rat-behind/?intcmp=features
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June 7, 2013 6:27am
Manolo

“Religion of peace” terrorists and criminals: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8671057/six-uk-men-sought-spiral-of-violence
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June 7, 2013 6:49am
DavidR

What would Kiwiblog be without Manolo’s morning after reports on brown-faced crime?
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June 7, 2013 7:35am
UglyTruth

@Manolo

In 1996, Omar Bakri founded Al Muhajiroun with Anjem Choudary. According to John Loftus, a former US Army Intelligence Officer and Justice Department prosecutor, three senior Al Muhajiroun figures at the time – Bakri, Abu Hamza, and Haroon Rashid Aswat – had been recruited by MI6 that year to facilitate Islamist activities in the Balkans.

http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2013/06/02/the-new-great-game-round-up-june-2-2013/
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