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June 5, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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Chuck Bird

Does anyone know the criminal offense Doug Graham was convicted of and what the maximum penalty is?
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June 5, 2013 8:02am
hj

“Prime Minister John Key said it has been a long struggle for Tuhoe, who have suffered terribly, and it is a momentus deal. ”
………..
And for everyone else it is your ancestors who suffered terribly.
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June 5, 2013 8:08am
jaba

So the gweens will cancel charter schools under a gween/labour govt
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June 5, 2013 8:09am
Harriet

A well known story is worth repeating here:

A medical school professor gave his students a case study in whether or not to advise an abortion:

The family is very poor, the husband is alcoholic and has syphilis; one of their numerous children is mentally deficient, and there is a strong family history of deafness. The wife, who had tuberculosis, finds she is pregnant again. What should she do?

A student quickly advised an abortion.

Well, thankfully two hundred years ago that woman did not have that option and the world has been immeasurably enriched ever since, because the child she bore was Ludwig van Beethoven.

Cancer, MS, paralysis, blindness & deafness all might have been solved 30yrs ago as 55 million kids pa are aborted! 😎
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June 5, 2013 8:10am
All_on_Red

Harriet,
Assuming Beethoven was one in a million ( a reasonable assumption I think) you assert its ok that 54, 999,945 children and/or their parents should suffer just so we can get 55 “Beethovens”?
Madness.
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June 5, 2013 8:15am
hj

Interesting to hear David Round on The Panel (Radio NZ).. ah but what does “no one owns it mean….they will manage it… who controls it..the managers…” One of the guests: “David how would you feel if you had something that was stolen and you got 15% of it back….”. That question is a different lead from the first, it’s like saying “well actually this is a Clayton’s solution for the remainder of the population, but it is alright, because……” They then joked about getting off that topic.. Just as well they keep David Round, Elizabeth Rata etc off the (amazing) constitutional review.
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June 5, 2013 8:16am
Pete George

Labour have a problem when a column by an MP rated as a rising star gets trashed on a major Labour blog.

David Clark had a column on Freedom and Fairness published in the ODT on Saturday. I mentioned it here and there was some criticism. But it also featured at The Standard and that was more critical, of Clark and of Labour.

If their own cheerleaders don’t like what their MP hopes for the future say Labour have a major problem.
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June 5, 2013 8:17am
Harriet

“….Assuming Beethoven was one in a million ( a reasonable assumption I think) you assert its ok that 54, 999,945 children and/or their parents should suffer just so we can get 55 “Beethovens”?
Madness….”

Suffer from what?

Living?

Your f’ed in the head! 😎
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June 5, 2013 8:19am
nasska

Twenty four minutes & eight comments into General Debate & we’re already knee deep in moralistic, religious crap.
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June 5, 2013 8:24am
Paulus

Heard that John Armstrong is not well, but he does not have to show it in the Herald today calling for Hekia Parata’s resignation over Novopay.
Senior Education Ministry staff lied deliberately to three Ministers, in writing, Parata, Foss and English about proceeding with the system, knowing that what they said was a lie.
I assume that the departure of the former CEO of the Ministry has something to do with this also, in addition to the political implications of the Ministry against any National Minister.
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June 5, 2013 8:25am
All_on_Red

A nice video here of Jay Leno sticking it to Obama about the IRS
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2013/06/04/crowd-erupts-thunderous-applause-when-leno-says-obama-should-close-ir
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June 5, 2013 8:28am
Harriet

“..Twenty four minutes & eight comments into General Debate & we’re already knee deep in moralistic, religious crap..”

25 minutes & 9 comments into GD & we’ve already waded into the shallows of Atheist thinking! 😎
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June 5, 2013 8:29am
All_on_Red

Harriet,
There is none so blind as a zealot.
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June 5, 2013 8:30am
hj

So the gweens will cancel charter schools under a gween/labour govt
…….
that’s the problem with labour and the Greens: an ideological approach to everything whether it works or not.
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June 5, 2013 8:32am
UglyTruth

“Prime Minister John Key said it has been a long struggle for Tuhoe, who have suffered terribly, and it is a momentus deal. ”

Never underestimate the consequences of spilling innocent blood (Te Kooti, reprisals against Tūhoe).
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June 5, 2013 8:33am
bhudson

Saw this letter to the editor in the DomPost this morning and thought it worth sharing. Have had to transcribe it on my phone so apologies for any typos.

Russel Norman is as weak as Aussie beer

Who is this Aussie who criticises a man who cannot defend himself? What does Green co-leader Russel Norman really know about Sir Robert Muldoon? Was he even in New Zealand when Rob was prime minister?

What a low and spiteful way to score political points in an effort to raise his own political profile. There is an old saying: “You cannot make a weak man strong by trying to make a strong man weak.” We Kiwis still remember the Aussie underarm cricket debacle.

I was proud to be in Sir Robert’s cabinet and we achieved some significant and lasting legislation. The Official Information Act 1982 comes to mind. Does Dr Norman deny using that piece of legislation?

Dr Norman is as weak as Aussie beer and Prime Minister John Key’s resolve is strong. So Dr Norman should give up now. He should go back to Australia and when he does, he should tell the other Norman (Harvey) that Kiwis hate his damned adverts.

Dr Ian Shearer
Taneatua
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June 5, 2013 8:34am
hmmokrightitis

If by ‘shallows’ you mean not believing in sky fairies, spot on Harriet 🙂

As for NovaPay, Ministers were not just poorly informed, they were lied to. Simple, end of. Swords being drawn as we speak – civil servants are there to protect the taxpayer and our $ – not lie and hope.

Lots of gulping at PWC today as well – as there bloody well should be.
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June 5, 2013 8:34am
doggone7

An attack of Dr Shearer’s logic sees me thinking of all that criticism of a man who can’t defend himself. Adolf surely has been maligned without right of reply.
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June 5, 2013 8:45am
Kea

Wow they are gorgeous ! I wonder if the Muslims will try and out do them on this ?

“Israeli women soldiers reprimanded for posing in underwear”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10096047/Israeli-women-soldiers-reprimanded-for-posing-in-underwear.html
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June 5, 2013 8:49am
hj

“Tuhoe land worth XXX at today’s prices”….. (just hearing on news)… are giving a lot away….aboriginal title and all that . Wait a decade or two….
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June 5, 2013 8:52am
dime

lol @ teachers unions etc

they had some shill on ZB this morning telling us how bad charter schools are.

Hosking: why shouldnt parents have choice?
Shill: they have choice. they can choose to go to the school down the road

HAHAHAHAHAHA

its actually worth a listen. about 715am. banks then shill.

then annette king @ 815am. she is fucking hilarious. first part of the segment. normal sounding (dreadful accent). then they get to charter schools and the voice goes up about 5 levels. whenever shes defending the indefensible she yells.
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June 5, 2013 8:53am
dime

How to be a Labour opposition MP:

Wait for National to announce something.

No matter what it is, give an emotional speech telling the world how bad an idea it is. use words like “hard working kiwis” “children” “the elderly” maybe even “dead babies”.

Then comb the earth looking for similiar policies elsewhere. Then out of all the examples you find, select the one you can spin to sound like its failing and then wail to the media how it doesnt work overseas and its bad for kiwis.

“it doesnt work overseas. it wont work here. the government knows this. they are just looking after their rich mates”

when pinned down (like that ever happens) you get “in Kyrgyzstan they tried something similiar and it failed”

when told its worked in many countires that people have heard of you get “it doesnt work overseas, we have the studies to show it. its bad for hard working kiwis” blah blah blah

Labour are a fucking disgrace
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June 5, 2013 8:58am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/8755757/Bar-owners-set-to-take-on-council

Sorry comrade, it’s closing time.

Party pooper Stephanie Cook tells the peasants that the ruling class knows where they want to drink/ socialise and until what hour of the early morning.
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June 5, 2013 9:00am
dime

“why do we need charter schools? we already have good schools!”

i dunno!

why do we need the iphone 6? we already have the iphone 5!

why do we need that new 65 inch plasma? we have a 55 inch etc etc etc

fucking stupid leftists.

i also had the pleasure of hearing shearer on ZB last night. he actually started out ok, for the first 2 mins. then larry asked a few questions. my god can that guy waffle on about nothing.
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June 5, 2013 9:08am
bhudson

@dime,

The latest strategy from Labour-Greens, and fresh from the fertile minds of their newly minted Pol Sci advisers it would seem, is to state that they will undo any policy or initiative that National implement.

Phil Twyford is the latest and it would appear that he is going to rip up the highways, or some such like.

Their ‘logic’ seems to be that by instigating uncertainty, the voters will switch their votes to them. Bizarre thinking.
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June 5, 2013 9:09am
nasska

From LR&C’s link:

….”They are in it to make a buck and we don’t want those sorts of operators.”….

As usual for a ‘mummy knows best’ socialist harpy, Ms Cook cuts to the chase. How dare those wicked bar owners try to make a living from their work & investment.
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June 5, 2013 9:12am
Judith

Not one, not two, but three Government Ministers lied to, and none of them the least bit suspicious.

There must either be some damn good liars in this Country, or some naive Ministers.
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June 5, 2013 9:12am
Manolo

More control-freaks and health-nazis at work: http://money.msn.co.nz/businessnews/8669794/tackle-junk-food-to-boost-economy-fao
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June 5, 2013 9:21am
itstricky

normal sounding (dreadful accent). then they get to charter schools and the voice goes up about 5 levels. whenever shes defending the indefensible she yells.

That’s funny because whenever you’re defending the indefensible, you start putting down someone’s accent, rather than their argument.

when pinned down (like that ever happens) you get “in Kyrgyzstan they tried something similiar and it failed”

And when the Government is pinned down, you get “in Monaco they tried something similar and it worked”

Quite bizzare that your blindness tends you to believe one argument over the other, when both are equal and both have been battering you in the face just as much as each other.
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June 5, 2013 9:23am
Neil

I have a feeling that the Greens are at a seminal stage in their existence. There is an odour of intellectual arrogance coming from that group of “luddites”. They have a real superiority attitude, witness how they react to criticism- of the “how dare you question us” manner. They bemoan the quality of debate in parliament except themselves !! Raving hypocrisy !!
People in the public I believe are coming around to the govts view of the economy and now they are subjecting the Greens and Labour to deeper scrutiny.
Increasingly one is finding that Green research can not be trusted – the Green research depends on how little the people know. I think the Greens are misplaying their hand, especially with their attacks on John Key. Comparing Key with Muldoon is like comparing chalk and cheese
Put simply it seems that what the Greens say has no relation to reality in our country.
When you have people like Delahunty,Hughes,Eugenie Sage,Wussell Norman and ex-McGillicuddy candiodate Turei you have a poor lineup of teat suckers wanting to sit in the cabinet room. God help democracy in NZ !!
Let the Greens play personality politics while the government whittles away at debt and improving the economy.
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June 5, 2013 9:31am
Left Right and Centre

itstricky 9:23 am I took that to be a description of the voice rather than a put-down.

Not surprising considering that many strains of kiwi accent sound as if the speaker is attempting to talk while being punched repeatedly in the mouth.
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June 5, 2013 9:32am
Left Right and Centre

Prediction: Breakfast in schools will go off. Like three week old milk. Will be gone by lunchtime.
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June 5, 2013 9:39am
hmmokrightitis

Judith:Not one, not two, but three Government Ministers lied to, and none of them the least bit suspicious.

There must either be some damn good liars in this Country, or some naive Ministers.

Not naive Ministers – Ministers entitled to believe what they are being told by very senior and highly paid civil servants.

Have you read the report? Do you know anything about large IT SDLC projects?
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June 5, 2013 9:41am
dime

itstricky – i dislike all thick kiwi accents, no matter the political persuasion.

can you point to a member of national who goes semi hysterical when defending basic positions? i dont hear stephen joyce going apeshit when speaking about the novopay debacle. (oh look at that! a right winger admitting something that happened under nationals watch was a debacle. dont see that from the left. they are infallible).

i agree, both parties play the stupid overseas example game. the point is with labour, they do it no matter what. they disagree with everything the govt does. national could cure cancer and labour would be against it.
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June 5, 2013 9:41am
Left Right and Centre

Manolo 9:21 am No sweat… send Maccas Porirua to the third world…. malnutrition and obesity two-for-one answer.
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June 5, 2013 9:42am
Redbaiter

Yesterday

Narsekissa- “Crap….what’s discreet about Godnutters cutting & pasting Genesis & Revelations & a good part of goes between every day?”

Redbaiter- I don’t see that. I see you and other secular progressives fastening your jaws on any slight reference to religion even if its a side issue and turning it into the main issue.

Today

Twenty four minutes & eight comments into General Debate & we’re already knee deep in moralistic, religious crap.

So here we have one of our tiresome obsessive god hating fruit cakes starting the day off as he always does, with his magnifying glass peering through every comment he can find for some obscure reference to religion that he can use as an excuse to get on his fucking mad as a hatter hobby horse and tell us how terrible it all is. Once again. And again. And again.

But wait. Read the comment this shrivel minded bigoted turd has fastened on to. There is no mention of religion AT ALL. Sure its a comment on abortion, but there is no reference at all to any religious element. No Genesis. No Revelations.

So the first mention of religion actually comes from this obsessive boring one issue fruit cake himself.

In other words it is just as I stated yesterday. This tiny minded obsessive loon- (who either bores us stupid with his sick fixation or posts tired old “jokes” here that he scours the net for and then posts here in the belief that GD on a political blog is the place for cheap tired old cliched rubbish that have been heard a hundred times before,) has done just as I said, in that he deliberately imagined that there was some reference to religion, and in his very first comment tries to draw the topic over to his obsession when there really was no reference to it at all.

Go away Nasska- take your sick obsessive ranting elsewhere. Or try a shrink. Before you bore us all beyond reason and drive another bunch of Kiwiblog readers off to more interesting places.
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June 5, 2013 9:42am
nasska

Rave on Reddy. 🙂
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June 5, 2013 9:48am
thedavincimode

Oh dear, a bit of nasska obsession going on here.
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June 5, 2013 9:50am
thedavincimode

nasska

He may have overloaded on the meds after Tom Jackson demolished him yesterday. He seemed to just evaporate after that. I was very concerned.
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June 5, 2013 9:51am
flipper

Ian Shearer is on the mark.

Moreover, most Muldoon critics never really knew him other than by repute.

In January 2012, Outside The Beltway published a paper – Demolishing New Zealand’s Political Comfort Zone – in which OTB and Bob Jones defended Muldoon:
*** “In 1982-83 the New Zealand Party under Bob Jones emerged as a challenge to the National Government, then headed by Sir Robert Muldoon.

“Rob Muldoon was a personal friend of one OTB contributor. But on some issues he was like a dog with a bone, and placed short term goals above long term objectives. While there is disagreement over where he (Muldoon) will sit in New Zealand’s political history, much of the vitriol is undeserved and he must go down as the only foreigner who told Robert McNamara, then with the World Bank, where to get off. He did it to New Zealand’s advantage, and when times, post EEC, were tough. But Rob Muldoon went beyond the pale in his pursuit of some media folk (for reasons which in hindsight are risible). That was unforgivable.

“Nevertheless, it is all too easy to vilify someone who held Treasury to account, or who questioned the Reserve Bank. (In fact, to remind them that he had been elected and they were appointed, he had no compunction over keeping Treasury mandarins in his waiting room while he, and his collection of model aircraft, entertained 30 kindergarten children.)

“But he did NOT do it for personal gain. Having said that, Rob, patriot that he was, lost the plot. He did so to the extent that Bob Jones, (now Sir Robert Jones) took him on – “Face to Face”.

“Sir Robert’s own words to us:
“When I put my hand up in protest in 1982, which ultimately led to the formation of the New Zealand Party in 1983, I was probably the most reluctant political debutante in history. Apart from having no personal desire to enter parliament which I was temperamentally unsuited to attacking the government, I was to all intents turning on long established friends and no-one enjoys that.
I say to all intents as that was the effect but I never saw it that way. Rather, I was attacking the status quo re the role of government, regardless of who the government was. I most certainly was not declaring war on Rob Muldoon who I held then and hold now, in the highest esteem and I hugely resent the misrepresentation of him which is currently fashionable. As it transpired the New Zealand Party was simply the local faction of a world-wide revolution, manifesting itself in Britain with Thatcher, the USA with Reagan and so on, its ultimate expression arising with the collapse of communism.
When to everyone’s surprise, the incoming Labour government began immediately to apply the New Zealand Party’s policies, it was with great relief that we pulled stumps and cheered Roger Douglas on from the side-lines”.

All that said, it is time to recall that Norman was/is a card carrying member of the Communist Party of Australia.
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June 5, 2013 9:52am
RRM

“Narsekissa”

At least you know how he really feels about you 😉

Obviously the queer re-definition of marriage is starting to take effect!
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June 5, 2013 9:53am
Redbaiter

“Tom Jackson demolished him yesterday.”

Ha ha. yep, just what we need, another crazed homosexual Redbaiter obsessive presuming to be the neutral umpire on who “demolishes” who.

You’re another sick obsessive loon who needs to get a life.

Hows the new job going anyway?
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June 5, 2013 9:54am
Kea

Redbaiter, A violent primitive desert cult from the Middle East that references imaginary beings has no place in intelligent discussion. Even the slightest reference to it should be eliminated.

If people stuck to the real world then no one would be attacking the imaginary one conjured up by religion.
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June 5, 2013 9:55am
nasska

Da Vinci

Don’t be cruel….it probably took him most of last night & this morning to write. 🙂

RRM

It is rather strange….I thought Baity would have been the last to be effected by the legislation. 🙂
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June 5, 2013 9:57am
Redbaiter

Nasska, RRM, Davaselinemode and Tom Jackson- the usual coalition of commies.

You see what I mean readers?

Its not the hard left like Tom and RRM who are the problem anymore, for they’re gone. Its the fake right who continue to reach out to the left in their need to sustain the state of Progressive tyranny that they are a big part of.
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June 5, 2013 10:01am
Redbaiter

“A violent primitive desert cult from the Middle East”

Oh fuck, here’s the other obsessive loon, two comments and both about religion already.
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June 5, 2013 10:03am
Kleva Kiwi

God isn’t real. Get over it
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June 5, 2013 10:03am
Lance

Bra ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Kea is peddling his daily bile.
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June 5, 2013 10:06am
Kea

Oh fuck, here’s the other obsessive loon, two comments and both about religion already.

It was a reply to your comment defending belief in imaginery beings, superstitious ignorance and intolerance.
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June 5, 2013 10:07am
RRM

…Davaselinemode…

Kinkier and kinkier!

Weddy you deviant, naughty little man! I had no idea…

So are you the sub or the dom Weddy?
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June 5, 2013 10:07am
thedavincimode

I imagine the poor old thing was particularly put out by the fact that aside from himself, and post magpie, Tom J is one of the least rational contributors here.
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June 5, 2013 10:12am
nasska

Today could be the day he comes out of the closet & admits he’s a raving queen RRM. 🙂
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June 5, 2013 10:15am
Kea

It is very revealing that Reddy thinks everyone should “pretend” that god is real, or else they are considered far left in their politics.

It is not about religion or god. It is not about atheist or theist. It is about what is real and what is true. Basing your political beliefs on a lie is not virtuous and is not indicative of being on the right of the political spectrum.
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June 5, 2013 10:17am
Weihana

lol. Redbaiter is not wrong… there was no reference to religion.
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June 5, 2013 10:22am
dime

really guys?

another ruined thread? about religion?

we have the charter schools happening, we have the greens going even more batshit crazy, we have labour becoming even more irrelevant, we have the devil beast telling anyone who will listen how they will undo anything national does..

speaking of irrelevant, i havent heard much from jacinda lately? is she off at some european communist retreat for their summer?
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June 5, 2013 10:23am
itstricky

i dislike all thick kiwi accents, no matter the political persuasion.

If you want to push a point, I’d lay off making comments about their personnel habits, just as I would recommend the same to Russell Norman.

can you point to a member of national who goes semi hysterical when defending basic positions?

Can’t think of one, can’t say I’m really listening out for it but personal attacks weren’t my point, it was yours.

i dont hear stephen joyce going apeshit when speaking about the novopay debacle.

I’m interested to see how this one pans out. Who gets the evil finger of blame? Who will go?

i agree, both parties play the stupid overseas example game. the point is with labour, they do it no matter what. they disagree with everything the govt does. national could cure cancer and labour would be against it.

On this I agree, to a small degree. I would have expected Labour to make a song and dance about charter schools so I this isn’t a surprise. I wouldn’t have expected them to make a song and dance about some of the trivial little things over the past little while.
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June 5, 2013 10:25am
Redbaiter

“Today could be the day he comes out of the closet”

Talking of coming out of the closet

http://truebluenz.files.wordpress.com/2013/06/andrew-carr.jpg
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June 5, 2013 10:27am
Redbaiter

Ted Kruze- My kind of politician. There is a good chance he’ll be the Republican Presidential nominee.

“I think we ought to abolish the IRS and instead move to a simple flat tax where the average American can fill out taxes on postcard,” he explained in a Fox News interview over the weekend. “Put down how much you earn, put down a deduction for charitable contributions, home mortgage and how much you owe. It ought to be a simple one-page postcard, and take the agents, the bureaucracy out of Washington and limit the power of government.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-politics/wp/2013/06/03/ted-cruz-abolish-the-irs/
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June 5, 2013 10:33am
dime

“can you point to a member of national who goes semi hysterical when defending basic positions?

Can’t think of one, can’t say I’m really listening out for it but personal attacks weren’t my point, it was yours.”

im sorry, but pointing out that a politician goes into a rant mode when questioned isnt a personal attack. the point is its easy to tell when she is full of shit.
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June 5, 2013 10:37am
Redbaiter

Chinese ~~communists~~ capitalists (thanks for the correction Kea) censor net searches on anniversary of Tiananmen square massacre.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/04/tiananmen-square-online-search-censored
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June 5, 2013 10:41am
RichardX

Can Ted Cruz, (not Kruze), be US President if he was born in Canada?
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June 5, 2013 10:47am
RRM

Ted Cruz’s ideas about taxation make a lot of sense.

I hope he has a legitimate birth certificate…?
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June 5, 2013 10:50am
thedavincimode

Own goal alert revealed in link to Guardian. (The Guardian!) Particularly impressive given that the author eschews the “media” and never wastes his incredibly valuable time on it.
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June 5, 2013 10:51am
Redbaiter

Why would anyone worry?

Obama was born in Kenya (or claimed to be) and its apparently no problem.
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June 5, 2013 10:51am
Kea

Weihana (3,217) Says:

June 5th, 2013 at 10:22 am
lol. Redbaiter is not wrong… there was no reference to religion.

Did you miss the 9:42am rant attacking people who do not believe in imaginery things ?
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June 5, 2013 10:53am
Weihana

Memorandum to Congress April 3, 2009, written by the Congressional Research Service:

Considering the history of the constitutional qualifications provision, the common use and meaning of the phrase “natural-born subject” in England and in the Colonies in the 1700s, the clause’s apparent intent, the subsequent action of the first Congress in enacting the Naturalization Act of 1790 (expressly defining the term “natural born citizen” to include a person born abroad to parents who are United States citizens), as well as subsequent Supreme Court dicta, it appears that the most logical inferences would indicate that the phrase “natural born Citizen” would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “at birth” or “by birth”.
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June 5, 2013 10:53am
Redbaiter

That’s OK Kevin, given your typical Nat reverence for the Red Chinese Generals I won’t do it too often.
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June 5, 2013 10:54am
thedavincimode

Oh, I don’t think you’re being entirely honest with us Russell. That is how you would like to run the country isn’t it?
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June 5, 2013 10:56am
Redbaiter

I am a constant advocate for small weak unnoticeable government Kevin, and anyone who says otherwise is just the usual lying and cowardly left winger.
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June 5, 2013 10:58am
Weihana

Kea (4,838) Says:
June 5th, 2013 at 10:53 am

Did you miss the 9:42am rant attacking people who do not believe in imaginery things ?

I think you misunderstand the substance of that post.
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June 5, 2013 10:59am
Pauleastbay

@ dime i dont hear stephen joyce an excellent point

he was quite brilliant last night against the screaming skull Wilson on National radio – utterly professional.

the whole things simple, officials at the ministry lied , they thought they had the ability to set this up and they didn’t.

Thats why you have consultants who specialise in a particular field. How often do you hear the press wanking on about the cost of consultants when in fact they give you the ability to solve a problem ,then they move on and you save money. If consultants had been brought in by the ministry this fiasco could have been sorted.
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June 5, 2013 11:01am
thedavincimode

Dear Abby
There are homos and progressives everywhere. Why, only this morning I was standing at the bus stop and dropped my Gold Card. I’m sure the other men at the bus stop all looked at my bottom when I bent over to pick it up.

What can I do?

Yours sincerely
Russell of Tauranga
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June 5, 2013 11:03am
Redbaiter

Gosh, Kevin, aren’t you just so brilliant..!!!

What an amazing little narcissist.

Bet your mummy just adored you.
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June 5, 2013 11:07am
Kea

I think you misunderstand the substance of that post.

Weihana , one thing I do not misunderstand are the constant demands for people to defer to, indulge, and “respect”, those who tell lies about imaginery beings and use that as a basis to claim the moral high ground.

1. There is no god.

2. Belief in imaginery beings does not make you more moral.
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June 5, 2013 11:08am
backster

CHUCK………….I haven’t followed the matter much but I think Graham and his cohorts were convicted for an offence under either the Commerce or Companies Act for soliciting money by means of a false or misleading prospectus. It was punishable by a lengthy term of imprisoment.
I also agree with previous comments about Rob Muldoon , he was a great leader and his subsequent ‘popular’ denigration attributable to a vengeful leftwing media who he would often speak over the top of.
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June 5, 2013 11:12am
Komata

FWIW: If the online newsmedia are to be believed (!), Wussell and Co have now discovered that, according to their tame legal-eagle, the skycity casino is illegal. No further details given of course. It would seem that, like rust, creeping socialism never sleeps.

Perhaps the gweens themselves need a bit of exposure to ‘media sunlight’and the msm will start to dig into THEIR policies…. (tui moment methinks) Dreams are of course, free……..
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June 5, 2013 11:14am
James Stephenson

Can Ted Cruz, (not Kruze), be US President if he was born in Canada?

Born of US citizen parents outside of the US still qualifies under “Natural Born” AFAIK.
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June 5, 2013 11:19am
Redbaiter

“Perhaps the gweens themselves need a bit of exposure to ‘media sunlight’and the msm will start to dig into THEIR policies….”

Not likely. Most “journalists” employed in the mainstream media are graduates from the environmental wacko/ socialist immersion process that is laughably referred to as the education system.

They’re working with the Watermelons to “change the world”.

Like all countries that fall to the left, its the education sector where the damage is first done.

We’re faced with dealing with a generation of brain fucked commie degenerates who have not been educated to the degree where they can think for themselves, but rather just spoon fed far left environmentalist garbage.
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June 5, 2013 11:25am
liarbors a joke

Not nearly enough..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8758167/Hayden-Miles-murder-torments-family
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June 5, 2013 11:26am
Lucia Maria

Kea,

For someone so apparently interested in truth, you’re pretty loose with it yourself:

It is very revealing that Reddy thinks everyone should “pretend” that god is real, or else they are considered far left in their politics.

That and your complete misinterpretation of what Redbaiter said in his 9:42am comment. You really should go back and read it and then read what you said about it.
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June 5, 2013 11:28am
Redbaiter

Lucia, thanks for your kind and brave support, but Kea is just a troll.

It does not matter too much what he says, and if you do let it matter you’ll find yourself in a multi-forked discussion that goes on for days as he seeks new ways to dodge exposure as a loon and simultaneously seek the attention that is his real obsession.
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June 5, 2013 11:33am
Kea

Lucia Maria, I re-read it.

Red is once again moaning about those of us who wish to discuss issues without reference to gods, spooks or goblins.
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June 5, 2013 11:35am
Kea

Lucia, thanks for your kind and brave support..

By “brave” do you mean her cowardly and vain inability to deal with her own mortality ?
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June 5, 2013 11:38am
jaba

Holy shit. Some green party clown suggested on wallace chapmans fb page that nz is aotearoa and if you dont agree then you are racist. Go check it out
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June 5, 2013 11:39am
Fletch

Harriet @8:10am –

Also Andre Bocelli’s mother’s doctors wanted her to abort him – he tells the story here –

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QfKCGTfn3o

Who knows who we could have had by now if they had not been aborted – maybe a scientist who discovers the cure for cancer and goodness knows what else.
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June 5, 2013 11:40am
Pete George

A major hotel development has been refused consent:

The hotel failed to meet either of two legal threshold tests within the Resource Management Act, which required the effects of the hotel to be no more than minor or overall not contrary to district plan rules.

Election year nerves? Dunimby City will remain “no more than minor”.
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June 5, 2013 11:41am
Judith

hmmokrightitis (1,266) Says:
June 5th, 2013 at 9:41 am
Not naive Ministers – Ministers entitled to believe what they are being told by very senior and highly paid civil servants.

Have you read the report? Do you know anything about large IT SDLC projects?
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Nope, don’t know a damn thing about them BUT if I was made the minister in charge of something in which such projects were about to cost the people I represent a very big amount of money, the first thing I would do is learn all I could.

AND I wouldn’t do that by listening to one group of people. I would seek alternative knowledge from a variety of sources, including the competition and then and only then would I make a decision.

The thing that makes me laugh, I was actually involved on the peripherals, in another similar thing adopted by the GOVT that was a monumental pain in the butt and cost lots to get it fixed and running how it should have – same thing had occurred – the ministers weren’t told what was going on and only given sanitised versions. That was back in the early 2000’s. You would have thought subsequent Ministers would have learned that their ’employees’ aren’t always fully honest – wouldn’t you?

I’m sorry, but I stress again, when you happily take the pay, you are agreeing to be responsible – if it gets stuffed up – even if you are not directly to blame – you take the responsibility.
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June 5, 2013 11:42am
Lucia Maria

Redbaiter, Yeah, I know what he is. I also think it’s important in threads like this to restate what’s occurring, otherwise it gets lost in the stream.

Kea, No, he is not. He was pointing out that those that moan about religion are generally the first to bring it up. Big difference.
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June 5, 2013 11:46am
Kea

Pete George, I see the problem. Under the RMA the major developement must have a minor effect.

This terrible piece of legislation needs to be tossed out urgently. It is the single biggest obstacle to progress in this country and is costing NZ billions. It has been hijaked by those opposed to capitalism and industrial modern society. It is used for political purposes and not to protect our environment.
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June 5, 2013 11:48am
Weihana

Kea (4,842) Says:
June 5th, 2013 at 11:38 am

By “brave” do you mean her cowardly and vain inability to deal with her own mortality ?

I can’t deal with it so Singularitarianism is my religion. 2045 here we come! 🙂
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June 5, 2013 11:50am
Fletch

Just who is this man called Barrack Obama? Yet another indication that his history is a total fabrication and a fiction, not one person from his classes at Columbia remembers ever having met him. The only indications he was even there at all are some article he wrote, a Professor who hates Israel saying he met him and a photo of him with a Pakistani student.

It’s all bullshit. He is a creation.
Here is a column by a student that graduated the same year that Obama (supposedly) did, who has just come back from a 30th anniversary class reunion. He asked everyone present if they remember Obama, and not one does. And 90% of these people are Democrat and voted for Obama.

I am a graduate of Columbia University, Class of 1983. That’s the same class Barack Obama claims to have graduated from. We shared the same exact major- Political Science. We were both Pre Law. It was a small class- about 700 students. The Political Science department was even smaller and closer-knit (maybe 150 students). I thought I knew, or met at least once, (or certainly saw in classes) every fellow Poly Sci classmate in my four years at Columbia.

But not Obama. No one ever met him. Even worse, no one even remembers seeing that unique memorable face. Think about this for a minute. Our classmate is President of the United States. Shouldn’t someone remember him? Or at least claim to remember him?

Obama has no former college buddies. No one that ever met Obama, let alone befriended him, was in attendence at our 30th class reunion.

Now you might argue this is all strange, but it’s possible. Afterall Columbia says he graduated. And I take my college’s word for it. Would one of the world’s greatest Ivy League institutions participate in a coverup, thereby risking their billion dollar reputation? And there is one single article written for the Columbia newspaper with Obama’s name on it. A single photo also exists of Obama in his Manhattan apartment with the man he claims was his college roommate- a Pakistani foreign student. And one single radical leftist Columbia professor who hates Israel also claims he remembers Obama.

That’s the sum total of Obama’s existence at Columbia University, Class of ’83.

So I asked every classmate I met at our 30th reunion, many of them Political Science majors, if they ever met, or saw, or heard of Obama. The answer was a resounding NO from every one of them. I asked if they found this strange, or worried how this was possible? They all answered YES. I asked if they thought it was possible to be a Political Science major and never meet a fellow major in our small classes? They all gave me a very strange look and answered NO. So I asked, “How could this be possible? Can you explain this?” No one had an answer.

One classmate told me he was present when one of the most honored professors in Columbia University history gave a speech to alumni a couple of years ago. The speech was followed by Q&A. This beloved professor was asked about Obama at Columbia. He said, “I have my doubts about the story.” The crowd was stunned. He immediately went onto the next question and never elaborated. So obviously I’m not the only one with doubts.

So here’s my take on this great mystery. I’ve never said Obama was not registered at Columbia. I’m sure he was. I’ve never said he didn’t graduate. If Columbia says he did, then I’m sure he did. But I’ve always said there is something wrong with the story. It’s rancid. It’s unbelievable. It’s impossible. It’s the story of a Manchurian candidate.

LINK

One day this is all going to come out, and the American people will see how hugely they have been conned.
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June 5, 2013 11:52am
Pete George

This won’t surprise you Kea:

Metiria Turei ‏@metiria

Im really pleased DCC listened to the Dunedin people on this issue. http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/regional/136898/multi-storey-dunedin-hotel-turned-down … @GreenDunedin

There were about 500 submissions, most against, Some seem to think that motivating the most opinion and using the system is somehow democracy in action.

I had a feeling this was doomed, especially because of the height, but I think the Green troops would have opposed any sized hotel.
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June 5, 2013 11:54am
Lucia Maria

Kea,

By “brave” do you mean her cowardly and vain inability to deal with her own mortality ?

Not really interested in truth, are you?
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June 5, 2013 11:56am
Kea

Fletch, Obama is a media creation. He is a pleasant faced guy that is easy to like, but totally lacking in substance. I am not sure about stories. What I object to are things he is doing now.
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June 5, 2013 11:58am
Akaroa

Slightly off topic, I know, but the discussion of Dr Norman’s degree sparked my interest.

You see, I have a hearty disrespect for any – and I do mean any – academic qualification at the tertiary level.

I formed this disrespect after – at a time when I was I was coming to the end of a long secure employment career – I realised that although I was in my early 50s I needed a Uni degree to get any traction in the further employment game.

Being interested in politics – from the point of view, I hasten to add, that most pollies are self-serving ratbags – I nevertheless decided to get a Pol Science degree. It was a crap field of study, I knew, but one about which, like most of the newspaper reading/TV watching populace, I felt I already knew a bit.

After i duly graduated – (Thank you VUW) – I never had any cause to use the nonsense that i had absorbed in my efforts to gain that key to higher salaries, a University degree.

So when I read of people with degrees in whatever-Russel-has-got, and the like – I know just how much credence and reliance to place on their utterances and general philosophy of political life.

University education and qualifications are a racket perpetuated by the education Nazis. Unfortunately that racket is so deep seated it will endure. And thank you again VUW, I enjoyed the capping and all – but you didn’t fool me!!
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June 5, 2013 12:02pm
Kea

PG, if I thought the RMA was democracy I would support it. Instead we see minority interests over riding the greater good for NZ.

Lucia, I am interested in truth, which is the reason I reject your desert cult. I do not do it to offend you or give you a hard time. It is simply about truth.
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June 5, 2013 12:07pm
wreck1080

Hamiltons mayor is a plonker. She is halting Hamiltons drinking water flouridation.

Reason: (this is actually what she said on radio) : I am concerned with studies about the potential and perceived risks of flouride.

ie, she did not see a study saying flouridation causes health problems but perceives their could be a problem even though there is no proof.

This is the risk of flouridation:

“At the dosage recommended for water fluoridation, the only known adverse effect is dental fluorosis, which can alter the appearance of children’s teeth during tooth development. Dental fluorosis is considered cosmetic and unlikely to represent any other effect on public health.[7] Despite opponents’ concerns, water fluoridation has been effective at reducing cavities in both children and adults.[8]”

And, …

“Opposition to fluoridation has existed since its initiation in the 1940s.[2] During the 1950s and 1960s, some opponents of water fluoridation suggested that fluoridation was a communist plot to undermine public health.[9]”

I guess hamiltons mayor is a communist conspiracy enrolled member.
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June 5, 2013 12:11pm
dime

“PG, if I thought the RMA was democracy I would support it. Instead we see minority interests over riding the greater good for NZ.” fuckin A

there is some land not far from Dimes estate. It is being developed into sections. a ton of geese seem to live there. i see 60+ some nights.

anyway, ive decided i dont think its FAIR that they will have to find a new home. So im going to drag this through the courts for the next 5 years, bankrupt the developer, make it so the supply of houses is even less. just because i can.

Dime hates local govt and the RMA
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June 5, 2013 12:17pm
calendar girl

An interesting analysis in “The Telegraph” on difficult welfare state choices facing the UK Labour Party’s leaders if they aspire to assume the Treasury Benches after the next General Election: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10098240/Can-Ed-Miliband-and-Ed-Balls-discover-a-touch-of-Clement-Attlees-steel.html

The directions that UK Labour follow (if the present “testing of the waters” is to be believed) could have implications for their Labour counterparts in NZ, although there has to be scepticism about whether David Shearer and his team would attempt any reform of the welfare state in this country.

After all, John Key’s Government has been unprepared to question, meaningfully, glaring excesses and inconsistencies of principle in the welfare framework that prevails here.
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June 5, 2013 12:19pm
Lucia Maria

Kea,

Lucia, I am interested in truth, which is the reason I reject your desert cult. I do not do it to offend you or give you a hard time. It is simply about truth.

And yet, you pull this out of ~~somewhere~~ your imagination about me:

By “brave” do you mean her cowardly and vain inability to deal with her own mortality ?

Yeah, right.
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