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southtop

Wake up you have taxes to pay
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June 2, 2013 8:02am
Pete George

The old Green image of nice principled honest environmentalists has gone down the polluted river.

Norman has morphed Green into Red and shit stirring brown. Nice is out, despite being one of the Green values pointed out by Andrew McMillan yesterday:

6. Engage respectfully, without personal attacks

And hypocrisy is in. As is lying. One were tree huggers.

The Greens have morphed into just another version of political warriors, where no holds are barred in their quest for power.
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June 2, 2013 8:11am
Paulus

Norman should talk to his partner Labour to realise that attacking the person such is very counterproductive.
Sticking to Green/Labour policy will do more good as stupid comments will only damage them more in the public eye.
Its ultra left wing members, and the media, may love it but it will not get votes.
It will lead to more serious moves by the Greenpeace subsidiary, not normally found in this country.
A dangerous situation is arising by this kind of rhetoric – we have seen that Greenpeace are fanatics in the past beyond normal behaviour.
Norman may go down blazing.
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June 2, 2013 8:39am
Reid

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/education/8746739/Solo-mum-blocks-male-bonding-session

Psychologist Sara Chatwin, from MindWorks, said in today’s society – where almost 50 per cent of Kiwi households are single-parent households – the session should have been promoted as a parent-child affair.

“I understand where the mother is coming from. The implications are that that child will feel incredibly left out if they are the only child without a dad who is going to a seminar like that.”

Parents of children at Matakana School were disappointed the event had been cancelled.

“Everyone knows the school system is dominated by women teachers and women parents and modern thinking is that this is to the detriment of boys. It concerns me that what appears to be a men-driven effort to redress this has been abandoned,” said a mother, who did not want to be named.

The school is planning a “more inclusive” replacement event.

Part of political correctness is to continue to execute the outrageous despite all objections from common folk who have common sense. This is how and why primary aged kids are taught about erections and condoms and gay sex in the UK as if 8-10 year olds need to know that. And that will come here too. But this is the modus operandi of the politically correct movement and this article is an example of that here and now, today, in NZ. Which is why I posted it.

See, the school is pretending that the real problem is, it wasn’t inclusive enough. Not a mention of the fact there are wimmins meetings all the time at which men aren’t welcome but that’s all OK, that’s “justice” [to pay men back for the hundreds of years of oppression, presumably]. Not a mention of the fact kids NEED fathers. In politically correct society, they don’t. [And this attitude is why we have so many fucked up units running around and more being produced every day, BTW]

So have a look. And note the mum’s comment. But she won’t be listened to. She’s only a common person. She doesn’t have the “expert” view that people like the psychologist has. And guess who the board will listen to, despite being composed of common folk. And yet again, fathers take a back seat as the PC engine rolls on, right over them. But it’s the kids who suffer in thos, most of all.

Thing is, people like Key and Bennett could stop this crap in a heartbeat if they had the perspicacity and the will to do it. But they don’t. Demonstrating… Draw your own conclusions.
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June 2, 2013 8:52am
Colville

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/8746719/Tainui-eyes-digital-future-with-Dotcom

Another Iwi pissing away the free money from the Crown…
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June 2, 2013 8:55am
Pete George

Once were Green party values – Frog Pond
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June 2, 2013 8:59am
duggledog

Paulus @ 08.39

‘Norman may go down blazing’

And with him Labour’s chance at the treasury benches next year. What to do Labour? Move to the left of the Greens? Not possible. Move to the right of National? Ideally yes because boy oh boy there’s room there but no, the unionists and intellectuals wouldn’t have it.

Shearer should never, never have stood on that podium with Dr Gingernut, that image is going to stick. Being associated with the Greens is like having a family member who’s been to prison. Not ideal.
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June 2, 2013 9:00am
Reid

The Greens have morphed into just another version of political warriors, where no holds are barred in their quest for power.

Pete, they have never been anything else other than disingenuous mean-spirited lying self-righteous arrogant and venal individuals who lack any sense of proportion and every single ethic you can name. They have always been like this even when Rob Donald was leading them and if you’ve never seen it before that’s not because it wasn’t always there. Donald himself didn’t have those qualities but he was the only Gween I’ve even seen who didn’t. Fitzsimmons certainly did and so does all the rest of them. I thought for awhile Hague might be another exception but his behaviour over the gay marriage bill put the lie to that possibility.
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June 2, 2013 9:05am
Colville

http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1369994791

UF doing well out of deregistration and the hunter lobby.
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June 2, 2013 9:14am
RF

I can see Wussel, Mr. Trotman & the sheep are playing a game of I am the king of the castle. Now that Wussel has jumped in and taken the role of leader of the opposition, Trotman & sheep will have to devise a cunning plan to regain lost ground. In the days to come the 3 stooges will be trying to outdo each other with headline grabbing press releases. This is fantastic as this pisses off the average voter.

I might have to borrow pop corn from the useless prick Micky mouse from the standard. he is always rabbiting on about the demise of National and stocking up on pop corn to watch this.
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June 2, 2013 9:21am
hj

Media watch (radionz) about journalists who put their name forward for a party. Haven’t heard the host’s name (Chris Laidlaw stood for the Alliance?).
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June 2, 2013 9:25am
duggledog

Colville, that’s racist. Tainui have every right to throw settlement money away on poor investments. It’s all part of the learning process. And anyway they can always come back for more top ups, so what does it matter?

Al Nisbett’s future is secure as the sole proprietor of this rich vein of comedy gold (I hope his property is secure too).

There is nobody in the media who has the courage to laugh at the bro’s since Billy T died.

Exception being that infamous EML sketch ‘Anal Mana’ which was a fictional story following a Maori porn movie director
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June 2, 2013 9:25am
iMP

Being male is now banned. A macho Rant!

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/02/no-male-thanks-were-genderless-nz/
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June 2, 2013 9:30am
magsta

@hj
Chris Laidlaw represented Wellington Central as a Labour MP.

Maggy Wassilieff
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June 2, 2013 9:44am
Pete George

Russelstiltskin

Paralleled with that fable is the developing story of Russelstiltskin, a modern day tale of a man who promises to print money out of thin air. Yesterday Russel Norman flew into a rage following John Key’s labelling of Russels’ Greens alignment with Labour as representing the “devil beast”.

– http://www.mcmillan.org.nz/2013/06/greens-new-colours-emerge/
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June 2, 2013 10:20am
TimG_Oz

There’s been a lot of debate over racist cartoons over the last few days (I’ve been away from the keyboard). Here’s three that went mostly unnoticed, especially from the left.

http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2013/01/malcolm-evans-anti-israel-cartoon.html
http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/disgusting-hodgson-cartoon.html
http://timgoz.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/tom-scotts-latest-anti-semitic-cartoon.html

As per this post, I plan to make a similar complaint to Susan Devoy, as did Metiria Turei.

http://timgoz.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/metiria-turei-shows-how-to-complain.html
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June 2, 2013 10:21am
mikenmild

Tim
I only looked at the Tom Scoitt cartoon, as I am a big fan of his work. I think you are drawing a long bow to call that anti-semitic. It shows Obama in the pocket of Israel, a comment that could be applied to almost any US Politican, seeing how unconditional support for Israel has become a sine qua non of US politics.
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June 2, 2013 10:29am
TimG_Oz

Hi Mike,

It’s definitely anti-semitic. It’s the old argument that the Jews control the world.

Thanks.
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June 2, 2013 10:30am
mikenmild

I still think it shows Obama in Israel’s pocket. It’s a stretch from there to your interpretation. Criticism of Israel does not automatically equate to anti-semitism.
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June 2, 2013 10:32am
Tom Jackson

Pete, they have never been anything else other than disingenuous mean-spirited lying self-righteous arrogant and venal individuals who lack any sense of proportion and every single ethic you can name.

You really must try harder. You are coming across as a paranoid schizophrenic. Norman’s comments were less risible than John Key calling Labour the Devil Beast.

Politicians attack each other. Pope Catholic. Ursine animals excrete in arboreal environments. Etc.
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June 2, 2013 10:33am
TimG_Oz

Hi Mike,

Have you heard of the protocols of the Elder of Zion? Have you heard that Jews control the free press and governments?
Try looking through some of the ADL lists, for example: http://archive.adl.org/main_Arab_World/default.htm
http://mideastparalleluniverse.blogspot.com.au/2011/10/from-arab-press-cartoons-jews-control.html
Tom Scott has mirrored it EXACTLY in this cartoon. It is definitely Anti-semitic.
The pocket has a star of David. This is a Jewish symbol. How can a little country control a US (Superpower) president, if not for the “Jews”?

Thanks
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June 2, 2013 10:38am
mikenmild

We’ll have to agree to disagree on this one. It’s not anti-semitic to suggest that the jewish lobby in the US is very powerful, to the extent that unconditional support for Israel is automatic from virtually all senior american politicians. It’s a fair step from there to suggestions of intentational jewish conspiracies – although you will get that from some commenting on this blog.
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June 2, 2013 10:45am
TimG_Oz

Of the three cartoons I listed, that is definitely the most anti-semitic.
It lies on multiple levels. Obama has criticised Israel. Both Israel and Obama have moved for peace in bi-lateral talks. US politicians make decisions on the own.

Yes, if you choose to look at this with one eye closed, you can state that this is not full of racist imagery and it is purely political. But it doesn’t change the fact of what has been published as showing what can easily be interpreted as a “Jewish Conspiracy”.

The main question based on the other recent cartoon, and Metiria’s complaint – Is this cartoon likely to cause hostility against an Ethnic group, as documented in section 61 of the HRA? Yes, clearly it is.
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June 2, 2013 10:57am
Scott Chris

TimG_Oz, societal context makes all the difference. Had the cartoons been published 100 years ago, I’d be inclined to agree with you.

However, modern Israel is not a helpless victim. Quite the opposite in fact.
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June 2, 2013 10:59am
mikenmild

So, did anyone complain to the Race Relations Commissioner?
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June 2, 2013 11:00am
Scott Chris

Oh and criticising Israel’s foreign policy isn’t anti-semitic, just as criticising American foreign policy isn’t anti-caucasian.
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June 2, 2013 11:03am
Pete George

Colville – I’ve heard there has been a lot of new members signing up over the last couple of days. It’s not a promise to vote in next years election, but it’s a vote of support for the party that promotes outdoor interests as well as providing a stable moderate voice in Government.

The deregistration was an embarrassment initially but it could be turning into the boot up the bum the party needed – and also that supporters needed. There’s been too much complacency and apathy. I stirred things up a bit recently.

And there are things happening. If there’s anyone in Christchurch, Timaru, Dunedin and regions interested in doing something there is stuff in the South island on the go now.
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June 2, 2013 11:15am
adze

Israel is a military ally of the US, and a strategic partner in the middle east – I wish they weren’t so beholden to each other, then Israel wouldn’t act like the short bully with a bigger friend. But calling out the relationship isn’t anti-Semitic – that’s a stretch.
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June 2, 2013 11:34am
Harriet

“…….The majority of poverty we are now seeing in New Zealand is due to ‘affluenza’. That is why the kids are hungry, and that is why feeding them in the schools may assist in keeping them healthy, but in the long run will only make the situation worse, because without the responsibility of having to provide that food, the parents will simply book something else up – once the current debts are paid….’

By the government giving children a ‘free’ breakfast – the parents are not getting an income raise – but a lower cost of living grant!

Every parent in the country will now be able to take up this TAXPAYER FUNDED LARGE SCREEN TV RENTAL BARGAIN OF JUST $15.99 pwk – if they just follow the LAW and send their kids to school and eat breakfast there!

AND ALL COURTESY OF JOHN KEY’S TAXPAYERS!

Next year EVERY parent in the country will demand LUNCH for their children at school, so they can then rent to own a very good quality 2nd hand CAR for $49.99 pwk.

Key may as well just install Wussle as finance minister and start giving people jobs:

PRINTING FUCKEN MORE AND MORE MONEY! 😎

Seriously, if the government IS going to give your child a healthy breakfast – then why would you not take that free offer up and rent-to-own an i-pad for your children? They can do homework on it too! 😎

The only way that society can feed the kids of useless parents without it becoming a ‘normal expectation’, is to make food vouchers compulsary with all beneficiery ‘parents’. Even some low income family benefit payments can be paid in voucher form – at the discreation of CYPS and the courts for individual families.
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June 2, 2013 11:39am
Manolo

I only looked at the Tom Scott cartoon, as I am a big fan of his work.

What’s new about a chardonnay-socialist loving the work of another? Made for each other, I reckon.
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June 2, 2013 12:16pm
Pete George

An excellent response in the call to save United Future, one report is 102 new members signed up “last night” – I presume that means up until last night.

Here’s a board member report on the whole membership situation.

The party was in the doldrums for sure, but this may be the shock that gets it back in action again and functioning like a party. The country will be better off it this happens.
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June 2, 2013 12:46pm
Manolo

An excellent response in the call to save United Future, one report is 102 new members signed up…
The country will be better off it this happens.

Really? What purpose does UF serve, other than promoting its whorish “leader” and the selling of his services to the highest bidder?

Silly me. I thought April 1 was months ago!
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June 2, 2013 12:51pm
TimG_Oz

Just to answer some of the queries:
Adze, mm, Scott Chris – I have always stated that criticising policies of the Government of Israel is not Anti Semitic. However criticising the entire nation or Delegitisation, taking Double Standards or Demonisation begs the question of Natan Sharansky’s 3D test: http://www.jcpa.org/phas/phas-sharansky-f04.htm

The point I am making is in relation to the Nisbet cartoon. It was a political cartoon, which clearly overstepped the mark and was unacceptable in my opinion.
The cartoons I have cited were politically motivated (with possible exception of the Evans cartoon as I have no idea what point he was trying to make). But they all overstepped the mark into racism and were also unacceptable.
There are many other borderline cartoons criticising Israel printed, which I am not referencing here. I would rather not feel that I am compelled to complain every time something is printed that I don’t like.

I did not raise a complaint at the time to the HRC – I made my views known via writing letters to the editor, or posting counter arguments on my blog. Now that Metiria has set a precedent, I think that it’s vital that I do, otherwise the arguments blend into acceptable (as your comments have shown).

MM – You stated that you like Tom Scott, and therefore support his cartoon. In Australia this week another media figure Eddie McGuire, also made a racist gaff. Eddie McGuire is not a racist, but has had to attend media conference after conference to beg forgiveness. He is also attending racism counselling, which he in turn was part of creating!! Why should Tom Scott not receive the same scrutiny, in your mind??
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June 2, 2013 12:52pm
Paulus

Beginning to think that David Shearer should be talking to John Key over a cup of tea, about 2014.

Otherwise Labour in the middle ground are dog tucker.

They cannot move towards the violent left of the Greens.
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June 2, 2013 12:52pm
Pete George

Yes, silly you Manolo.

There’s more to Dunne than you’re prepared to acknowledge, and there’s more to the party than Dunne.

And a lot more people at least recognise the strength in diversity in Parliament.
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June 2, 2013 12:55pm
adze

TiMG_Oz, I still don’t see it, unless you consider the cartoon to suggest Obama (or his office) is in the pocket of the state of Israel in the usual meaning of the term, which seems unlikely given that any aid is usually provided in the reverse direction (military aid). Also, I don’t think the cufflink is anything to be upset about – the Star of David is on the flag of Israel, it’s a widely-recognised symbol for both the people and the state.
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June 2, 2013 1:09pm
TimG_Oz

Hi Adze,

Yes, of course “In the pocket” means to be corrupt. In the cartoon, we don’t see the “face” of this big “Jewish” thing. Surely its not the tiny state of Israel, but some other bigger secret organisation (hence why we can’t see the face).

What does it mean? It’s not clear at all. But, there is a history of this kind of imagery in Anti-semitism. Through the years, all the major anti-semitic movements state that the Jews are controlling the world through secret cartels, controlling the media and controlling the governments.

What exactly is Tom Scott trying to say? It’s not even factual as Jews are the one pushing for peace with a two state solution.

Now, Tom Scott’s motives may not have been one of racial vilification. But they are a hell of a lot worse than Eddie McGuire’s in as fact that Eddie got tongue-tied, but this was a clear attack!

Thanks
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June 2, 2013 1:36pm
Johnboy

Everyone knows that Tom Scott is a Holocaust denier. He always draws JK with a huge Jewish nose! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 1:45pm
KevinH

Cartoons have become by default political commentary, because of the visual medium they are often simplistic, biased and exhibit strong prejudice therefore provoking similarly strong reaction. Cartoonist’s themselves dismiss the criticism by falsely complaining that it is only a cartoon. However what this illustrates is that cartoonist’s lack editorial skill and are not prepared to debate their opinions in a constructive way.
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June 2, 2013 2:08pm
Colville

PG.
Hunters vote for UF coz at least Dunne speaks up against the 1080 loving tree huggers at DOC that would ring fence the hills and never let a hunter/tramper/tourist in there for fear that they would step on a snail or squash a bit of moss. FFS.
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June 2, 2013 2:20pm
Pete George

Colville – if more hunters had voted for UF last election they would have had at least one MP in parliament devoted to their cause. But at least it looks like they are rallying for the cause now. Last count 120. Optimistic there could end up being a party as well as Dunne, too much has ridden on him.
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June 2, 2013 2:30pm
mandk

Manolo @ 12.51
Give the man a bit of credit! Anyone who runs against and beats the slimy Charles Chauvel in an election can’t be all bad 🙂
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June 2, 2013 3:45pm
publicwatchdog

What is the stated position of the Labour Party, NZ First, the Maori Party, Mana, ACT Party and ‘Independents’ Peter Dunne and Brendon Horan on the rise of ‘crony capitalism’ in ‘clean, green’ New Zealand – ‘perceived to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’?

‘Fiscal Conservative’ Simon Lusk’s leaked plan to extend and embed ‘corrupt crony capitalism’ in New Zealand…………….

http://thestandard.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/lusk1.pdf

” Building a Fiscal Conservative Majority
February 2012

This National Government has been a disappointment to fiscal conservatives. The wet wing of the National Party control the senior ranks of the party, and cannot be easily replaced without losing an election.
After National loses an election there will be a clean out. It is essential we have fiscal conservatives who are willing to make serious changes to control the culture of the party.

This is part of a long term plan to move the political centre to the right.
This means reducing the size of government, weakening the power of those who believe in big government, and investing for at least 20 years to ensure that these changes are permanent.

I have formed a lose alliance of committed fiscal conservatives who believe in this, and to date have funded it myself as I believe in it. The organisation is informal as formality imposes costs, and I believe entrepreneurial ventures are best when they are informal until they are ready to hit the market.

New Zealand’s political market is exceptionally retarded.
The first organized group to professionalise and fund politics properly will obtain prime mover advantage, and control the market for some time. There is a one off opportunity to exploit the gap in the market, and I am looking to exploit this gap. ….. ”

The Green Party leads the attack against ‘crony capitalism’ in New Zealand.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1306/S00001/crony-capitalism-takes-root-in-the-beehive.htm

Crony capitalism takes root in the Beehive
Saturday, 1 June 2013, 1:17 pm
Press Release: Green Party

1 June 2013

Crony capitalism takes root in the Beehive

The National Government is undermining our democracy by giving special treatment to its special friends, the Green Party said today.

In his key-note AGM speech, Green Party Co-leader Dr Russel Norman took aim at the National Government’s crony capitalism and attacks on democracy.

“John Key’s National Government is arrogant and divisive, and only looking out for their mates,” said Dr Norman.

“If you want to be Prime Minister of this country you have got to work for everybody, not just for some.

“Under National, New Zealand is a country of crony capitalism where public money and benefits are showered on those who have the ear of the relevant minister.

“National abolished democracy in Canterbury to enable big dairy to increase pollution of rivers and aquifers. National rigged the tender process, handing SkyCity a sweet deal to build a national convention centre. National stopped protest at sea, after Shell Oil complained about protesters.

“Crony capitalism is not a smart way to run a Government or an economy. It sends the signal to businesses everywhere that the real money to be made in this economy is through lobbying Government for sweet deals, not by honest, hard work. ……………..”

What is the stated position of the Labour Party, NZ First, the Maori Party, Mana, ACT Party and ‘Independents’ Peter Dunne and Brendon Horan on the rise of ‘crony capitalism’ in ‘clean, green’ New Zealand – ‘perceived to be the ‘least corrupt country in the world’?

(yeah – whatever…………. http://www.transparency.org/cpi2012/results
Remember – New Zealand hasn’t yet RATIFIED the UN Convention Against Corruption? New Zealand can’t – because our domestic anti-corruption legislative framework isn’t yet in place! )

http://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/treaties/CAC/signatories.html

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption/anti-privatisation’ campaigner

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.occupyaucklandvsaucklandcouncilappeal.org.nz
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June 2, 2013 3:58pm
The Scorned

The cartoon I want to see is one where the brown fascist Maori gestapo that were calling for racism to be “redefined” and private media to be censored in what they print or say because their feelings got hurt are depicted as the Nazis they are…Swastikas and all.

Not a chance in hell….but so lovely to think about…..;-)
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June 2, 2013 4:16pm
Johnboy

I can see why you will never win the 2013 Mayoral election Penny.

Your advertising flyers will match your KB posts and will be cheaper than Purex’s buy 12 get 18 free offer! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 4:18pm
nasska

Leave us hope that the printers get the perforations in the right place JB. 🙂
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June 2, 2013 4:41pm
Kea

TimG_Oz, so what if a cartoon is anti semitic ?. We see far more anti Muslim and anti Christian cartoons, yet we never here a word out of you about that. Why the double standard ?

There is nothing at all special about the jewish version of the ignorant primitive abrahamic desert cults and they are worthy of no special consideration what so ever. In fact it could be said that when special consideration has been given it has seldom worked in favour of jewish people.
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June 2, 2013 4:57pm
Johnboy

The Fenian Tom Scott taking the piss out of our beloved, slightly Jewish PM, is more than than a mortal man can bear Kea! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 5:02pm
Kea

Timmy seems to think “gods chosen people” should have special rights Johnboy.

He probably uses WWII as an excuse. That is the war were among the 70 million who died there were a small number of Jewish folk. Way less than the number of Eastern Europeans killed and massively less than the number of Christian killed.

Personally I think Timmy is an Aussie not a “Jew”. If you live in Aussie you are an Aussie, not “Hindu” or “Christian” or “Jew”. He only claims the title “Jew” to demand special rights. Most people do not use their religion as their defining characteristic in day to day life.
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June 2, 2013 5:36pm
Johnboy

Jeeze. That’s a worry Kea. So if you are an AussieGingaReject living in Godzone does that make you a Messiah? 🙂
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June 2, 2013 5:40pm
Kea

Johnboy, it makes you a Kiwi. Not a “ginga” or a “XXXX … religion”

The ironic thing is that when people have not considered Jews, as just like everyone else, it has usually ended in tears ! Some jews demand special consideration, but that has seldom worked well for the followers of that religion. Hitler did not see his large jewish population as simply productive law abiding Germans, he saw them as something separate and in need of “special consideration”. I don’t.
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June 2, 2013 5:46pm
Johnboy

Bugger. So here was me thinking Russel was just a RejectAussieCommoGinga trying to tell us real New Zealanders how we should live our lives and you shoot me down Kea.

I’ll remember your negativity when Shearer/Russel or Russel/Shearer take over the treasury benches! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 5:51pm
Colville

Well Peter Dunne sure aint getting rich of the $5 he charges to join his party 😉
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June 2, 2013 5:53pm
Colville

I may go sign up Manolo just for a laugh, but dont tell him 🙂
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June 2, 2013 5:55pm
Johnboy

Is that all? $5.. I’ll join straight away if someone can direct me to the portal.

Anything to ensure a drunken, greasy haired murri reprobate doesn’t hold the balance of power over a pukka, pommie, pompadoured prig!. 🙂
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June 2, 2013 5:59pm
Colville

http://www.unitedfuture.co.nz/united_future_membership.htm
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June 2, 2013 6:04pm
Johnboy

The bit about “Additional family members” Colville? Does that apply to consenting sheep? 🙂
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June 2, 2013 6:08pm
nasska

Anyone know the retail on a one way ticket to California? 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/jddhbh7tsf95vg2/waterwoman.jpg
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June 2, 2013 6:09pm
Johnboy

I could double their membership right now if it did! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 6:10pm
Colville

over at fishnhunt.co.nz there are about 50 that have joined in last 2 days. Aim to try and get UF into more of an outdoors/hunters party, its a niche that isnt taken by anyone else specially not the fecking gweens!
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June 2, 2013 6:14pm
Johnboy

I have a bit of a worry about sneaking through the scrub following/preceeding Peter Dunne Colville.

Admittedly he does have nicer hair than most of the bastards I have shared a camp with for the last 30 years! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 6:24pm
Monique Angel

Good luck PG. I’m sure there is a genuine motivation behind the move to de-register after reading the Simmons article. BUT.
If UF cannot sort it’s shit out around the membership database over four years then how can it be expected to make any meaningful contribution to running the country?
Also: The actual truth of the matter is different from the story UF is spinning to arse-cover.
The truth is that there is no connection with the members and if members feel neglected then they drift away. It would have been prudent for Peter and Judy and co to touch base with a couple of hundred people a year to maintain membership levels.
Until recently I was a member of a political party. Some of the political policies were disagreeable to me, but it was how absolutely inept the party was at managing it’s own affairs that prevents me from being a member. I thought I was a member until they de-registered. Guess I’m not a member then.
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June 2, 2013 6:29pm
nasska

Australian outback poetry:

Poor old Granddad’s passed away, cut off in his prime,
He never had a day off crook – gone before his time,
We found him in the dunny, collapsed there on the seat,
A startled look upon his face, his trousers around his feet,
The doctor said his heart was good – fit as any trout,
The Constable he had his say, ‘foul play’ was not ruled out.
There were theories at the inquest of snakebite without trace, Of redbacks quietly creeping and death from outer space,
No-one had a clue at all – the judge was in some doubt,
When Dad was called to have his say as to how it came about,
‘I reckon I can clear it up,’ said Dad with trembling breath,
‘You see it’s quite a story – but it could explain his death.’
‘This here exploration mob had been looking at our soil,
And they reckoned that our farm was just the place to look for oil.
So they came and put a bore down and said they’d make some trials,
They drilled a hole as deep as hell, they said about three miles!
Well, they never found a trace of oil and off they went, post haste.
But I couldn’t see a hole like that go to flamin’ waste,
So I moved the dunny over it – a real smart move I thought –
I’d never have to dig again – I’d never be ‘caught short’.
The day I moved the dunny, it looked a proper sight,
But I didn’t dream poor Granddad would pass away that night,
Now I reckon what has happened – poor Granddad didn’t know,
The dunny was re-located when that night he had to go.
And you’ll probably be wondering how poor Granddad did his dash–
Well, he always used to hold his breath
Until he heard the splash!!
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June 2, 2013 8:00pm
Pete George

Monique – all those who were members will still be members, nothing has changed there. And there’s already quite a few new members (120 by lunchtime today and I know of others since).

You’re right about members being neglected. I don’t think it’s up to Peter, he’s got plenty to do. So it’s the rest of us that need to step up. If everyone waits for someone else to do something then nothing will get done.

I know there has been some activity in Auckland. There was already a South island initiative that will continue, there is regional meeting scheduled next month. It will be what we make of it.
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June 2, 2013 8:02pm
Johnboy

At least Granddad never suffered the indignity of a splash back nasska! 🙂
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June 2, 2013 8:29pm
Pauleastbay

Labour and The greens are utter scum.

They are using children in an attempt at a power grab.

there are no children starving in new Zealand. – There are children in homes that have utterly shithouse parents who are given tax payer money for nothing and are not held even remotely accountable for its spend.

Bugger breakfast in schools , there will be plenty going into the home sthe kids come from. Stand outside those homes on rubbish day and count the empty bottles of Heineken and Steinlager ( they don’t even have the shame to drink Canterbury lager).

Show me a kid thats starving on the news tomorrow night labour wankers, one that is malnourished to the extent that its life is threatened. Not one whose household doesnt have meat every night ( I can supply my own for that)

Instead of accepting the shit that captain Mumble Fuck and the Aussie put out as a fact lets see some proof. Proof that will stop the fraud that is being committed against the new Zealand tax payer, the fraud that has guilted Sanitarium and Fonterra to giving stuff away.

The left of this country are now utterly beyond contempt.
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June 2, 2013 8:35pm
UglyTruth

fraud that is being committed against the new Zealand tax payer

The fact that a group of people have voted for something does not give them the right to the property of others.

Both the political left and the political right have bought into this fraud.
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June 2, 2013 9:47pm
RF

The soap dodger greens were not allowed to wear perfume and deodorant at their conference. What a pong from all those unwashed bodies. And these guys want to run our country !!!!!
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June 2, 2013 10:47pm
Longknives

“Show me a kid thats starving on the news tomorrow night labour wankers, one that is malnourished to the extent that its life is threatened”

Exactly! Meteria and Wussel should pop over to Africa or South America sometime if they want to see ‘Poverty’!
It riles the shit out of me seeing them bleat on about ‘Child Poverty’ in New Zealand (Sorry ‘Aoteroa’-I keep forgetting the name was changed while our backs were turned..) when the only problem we have is lazy,bludging parents spending their overly generous WINZ cheques on Pokies and Booze..
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June 3, 2013 3:29am
Tauhei Notts

When you folks awake you will hear of Guptill’s stupendous performance.
How can a team be so useless at five day cricket then put on a world champion’s effort against England.
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June 3, 2013 4:15am
Left Right and Centre

Beyonce offended at her arse being slapped during a Denmark concert…..

Really?

Ummm…. have you seen a Beyonce video or performance? And…. what goes on? What do you see? Is it…. a woman with a jaw-dropping figure dressed provocatively flaunting her sexuality with sexy moves and choreography, flirting like nothing else with the crowd?

And what kind of reaction or mood is that likely to set-up in a red-blooded bloke?

Exactly…. duh!!

What a stupid cow. She wants to dance like a stripper on stage but be respected like Mother Teresa. I don’t think so sweetheart. Can’t expect it both ways.
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June 3, 2013 6:39am
Left Right and Centre

French Open: FedEx gives his fans a fright at 1-2 sets down but overcomes local hope Gilles Simon in five. Veteran advances to his 36th consecutive grand slam quarter-final and 40th overall.

So… he’s struggling to get past lower-ranked fuckwits that at his peak he would’ve wasted. He’s got Tsonga next… could be a real test.

These days they all think they’ve got a shot at the old man. He’s hanging in there…..
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June 3, 2013 7:38am
Kea

Major 30% reduction in modelers estimates of Climate Sensitivity (Skeptics were right)

Finally the modelers are catching up with the slow-down or pause in global warming over the last decade. Where the best estimate for the IPCC was 3.3 degrees C with a range of 2.0 to 4.5C, Otto et al have revised the best estimate to 2C, with a range of 1.2C – 3.9C.

Effectively the power of CO2 to warm just got 30% less, according to a team of researchers, many of whom have in the past have published more alarming papers. Remember “there is no debate” and “global warming is a fact” a lot “like gravity”. (And that gravitational constant g could be revised by a third soon, right?)
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