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Kea

Griff (5,160) Says:

June 25th, 2013 at 2:17 pm
I have come across many men who think that fucking around on the missis is OK but if she does it back she is a total slut who needs a beating.

Really Griff ! Maybe we move in different circles. That would explain a lot.
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June 25, 2013 2:35pm
Kea

Griff (5,160) Says:

June 25th, 2013 at 2:27 pm
You have accused millions of your countrymen
seems to me that this is your post kea unless of course pixies typed it with your password,
Misrepresenting your own post what a bullshit artist. as I said you lie and you bullshite so often You meet the clinic criteria as a psychopath.

So when someone refers to mankind, you think it does not include women ? LOL 🙂

Honestly Griff… I have not got all day to attempt what your schooling failed to do.
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June 25, 2013 2:38pm
RightNow

I haven’t come across any men, regardless of their attitude to adultery 🙂
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June 25, 2013 2:38pm
Griff

dime
people who think like that do not become my friends.
My brother once took advantage of a young female acquaintance of mine. I did not talk to him for twenty years as a result.
Some of us atheist have a moral code we live by. It might not match the god squads but my morals still mean a lot to me
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June 25, 2013 2:38pm
Pete George

dime at 2.22 pm – that looks right. Many men knew that going to war may kill them so they would not be able to be father to their children, but they put a priority on fighting for their country, for other countries and for the good of the world.

It doesn’t say anything about them being shit dads, nor was an implication of that intended.
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June 25, 2013 2:43pm
Pete George

Kea at 2.32 pm admits that he made a disgraceful insinuation involving other people to use as an excuse to attack me.
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June 25, 2013 2:47pm
RightNow

Hug it out bitches!
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June 25, 2013 2:53pm
Kea

PG, no I made no insinuation at all. You said we are a rape culture. You did not exclude Dunne and when asked specifically you admited you had “no idea” about Dunne.

All I did was apply your well documentented reasoning to someone you are trying to promote and elevate.

Of course you know that, but you have been called out and are desperate.
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June 25, 2013 3:05pm
Griff

Right now shall we revisit the whole heartland saga ?
seems that heartland has lost its charity status most of its staff and most clients as a result of that little episode
as you are taking my post out of context shall we re post the whole sorry story.
Of course we can post the other documents that back up that one . Also name the scientist who are paid to lie
I revisited smog blog recently they have more proof from independent sources for that detail 😆
How does it go
dissuading teachers from teaching science
It is a real document sourced from heartland. You of course took bests denial as gospel without any proof hence my post “true or not who cares”
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June 25, 2013 3:07pm
Kea

Griff, Carbon Dioxide is not a “green house gas”. That is one of the many properties the gas has. It is not its defining characteristic or its definition.

I am going to have to charge you tuition fees if this keeps up, to supplement my BIG OIL income from “climate denial” 🙂
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June 25, 2013 3:10pm
RightNow

Try and spin it all you like griff, you were very clear that whether the document was true or not, you didn’t care, as you wanted to be able use the line “dissuade teachers from teaching science” whenever the subject of climate gate came up.

This will be a handy little sentence whenever climate gate comes up.
dissuade teachers from teaching science.
True or not who cares.

See what you wrote there: “This will be a handy little sentence..”.

As to whatever smog blog claims, why do you keep referring to alt blogs like smog blog?
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June 25, 2013 3:15pm
graham

Kea at 2:32 pm:

I understand that. You should understand in return that I was simply following Pete’s example of carefully dissecting what people say to the nth degree:

1. I pointed out that you and Pete have done the same thing. Neither of you have outright said that Dunne/Henry have committed *xyz* crime or sin or whatever, you have simply implied it. In fact, Pete implied wrong-doing by Henry a damn sight more strongly than you implied wrong-doing by Dunne.

Pete: “A more likely explanation is that Henry leaked to Peters to put pressure on Dunne in his inquiry. There is no obvious alternative.” “I pointed out what should be obvious – a vindictive or political leak to Winston Peters is most likely to have come from someone associated with Henry’s inquiry … it is most likely the Peters leak came from someone involved with Henry and his inquiry – that is a serious matter and ultimately Henry is responsible for how his inquiry was conducted.

Kea: “I am not part of “rape culture”. Now you know about me, but not Mr Dunne. You have “no idea”. Don’t you think it prudent to check, especially given his recent behaviour ?”

2. Given that both of you have insinuated things about people, if Pete wants me to “call you out” then it seems only fitting that he also should be “called out”.
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June 25, 2013 3:20pm
graham

By the way – does anybody know where Pete published his retraction? You know, as I pointed out that he has strongly insinuated that Henry leaked, but Pete then claims that “I’ve said that David Henry is most unlikely to have leaked.”

I obviously missed the retraction, but I’m keen to read it! 🙂
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June 25, 2013 3:24pm
kowtow

Peter Hitchens on the continuing ,as Redbaiter would say,white anting of Britain. Hitchens calls it salami slicing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2346719/PETER-HITCHENS-The-sinister-reason-theyre-robbing-Guides-God.html
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June 25, 2013 3:25pm
RightNow

griff: desmogblog – run by PR man James Hoggan and funded by John Lefebvre:

“Lefebvre plead guilty to charges of conspiracy to conduct illegal Internet gambling transactions”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Lefebvre

James Hoggan and Associates’ client list includes/included: the National Hydrogen Association, Fuel Cells Canada, hydrogen producer QuestAir, Naikun Wind Energy and Ballard Fuel Cells.
He’s a shill for “Big Green”.
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June 25, 2013 3:28pm
Longknives

And some Kiwibloggers tried to argue we should ‘appease’ this animal with a lenient sentence so he doesn’t attack any more old ladies….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10892861
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June 25, 2013 3:29pm
dime

“My brother once took advantage of a young female acquaintance of mine. I did not talk to him for twenty years as a result.”

i dont even know what to make of that. too hard.

back to my can of coke. and by can i mean there is two of them. plural kicks in at a multiple of 5 yeah?
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June 25, 2013 3:31pm
Dennis Horne

Hey! Penny Bright, seen this?
Not that! You’re taking the piss
So you’re against fluoridation
What about transmogrification
Into a dragon with some fire to hiss…
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June 25, 2013 3:38pm
Dennis Horne

@Longknives. These animals do not deserve the protection of society. Know what I mean? He wouldn’t be missed…
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June 25, 2013 3:45pm
Griff

Lefevre first garnered public attention in 1999, when he co-founded NETeller (now known as Neovia), an online money transfer facility. Though a publicly traded UK company, the firm’s involvement in transactions serving the then-fledgling online gambling sector led to U.S. charges of possible money laundering against the company and his arrest in January 2007.[4] Lefebvre plead guilty to charges of conspiracy to conduct illegal Internet gambling transactions and agreed to cooperate with prosecutors and testify if asked

seems like a case of the old paradigm not meshing with the new
http://www.populartechnology.net/2011/04/truth-about-desmogblog.html
Is you source would you like to tell us who this is? There is no identification of funding or owners on this blog another denial website paid for by oil moneys without doubt.
Just like your nassa link yesterday that claimed twenty scientist yet failed to name anyone or any detail beyond its webmaster one jim peacock
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June 25, 2013 4:12pm
Kea

Is you source would you like to tell us who this is? There is no identification of funding or owners on this blog

Griff, who funds your sources and why do you always avoid this question ?

AGW is the basis of a multi Trillion dollar global industry. Funding provided to your “climate scientists” is measured in the billions. Yet you dismiss honest independant scientists because they earn a salary doing real science.
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June 25, 2013 4:19pm
Manolo

He wasn’t breast-fed, hence the problem: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8679680/suspected-elderly-robber-to-face-court
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June 25, 2013 4:36pm
Kea

Obama is busy supporting radical Muslims in more than just Syria. Remember Obama helped overthrow the goverment to install the Muslim Brotherhood.

Brotherhood’s thirst for power splits Egypt into two: Egyptians and Islamists

CAIRO – A coalition of Egyptian Islamist parties on Monday called for an “open-ended” demonstration on Friday in support of President Mohamed Morsi two days before planned rallies against him, raising fears of violence.

Opposition-backed protesters have called for mass protests on June 30, accusing Morsi of concentrating power in the hands of his powerful Muslim Brotherhood movement and failing the revolution that brought him to the presidency.

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/13515

And in recent news:

US gives 4 more F-16 fighter jets to Egyptian government despite outcry

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/us-gives-4-more-f-16-fighter-jets-to-egyptian-government/#ixzz2XCQsfv5E
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June 25, 2013 4:36pm
axeman

Hey Kea this is the “GOD” that grief (the atheist) is transfixed with and where he gets most of his ALARMIST bullshit

The SkepticalScience website has a bio of Cook which includes this line: “He is not a climate scientist.”
http://nofrakkingconsensus.com/2013/06/22/media-fail-john-cooks-atom-bombs/

And this is how his “God” the shyster cartoonist/comic book guy, arrives at his theory.
http://australianclimatemadness.com/2013/06/05/how-cook-n-lew-do-science/
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June 25, 2013 4:36pm
RightNow

Griff, very sorry, I seem to have forgotten one more client of James Hoggan and Associates:

Shell
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June 25, 2013 4:37pm
Griff

Yes kea government employed scientists are all telling us lies the only scientists you can trust are those paid for by oil money yeah right
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June 25, 2013 4:45pm
Kea

Griff, thanks for the reply, but you avoided my simple question (as always)

1. Who pays the “climate scientists” ?

2. Do they have any other source of income that is not based on AGW ?

Oil companies make money from OIL and the world is lining up to buy their product. People go to war over it. Alarmists make money from alarmism and have no other income.
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June 25, 2013 4:50pm
Pete George

Joanna at 9.17 am – Does anyone know more about the charges Graham McCready is bringing against Dunne?

No Right Turn covers this:

Unlike his other cases against Trevor Mallard and John Banks, I think there’s not a hope in hell of any of these going anywhere.

Basically its difficult to see any case whatsoever. And I think if there was, the police would have stepped in already.

Details: http://norightturn.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/no-case-to-answer.html
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June 25, 2013 6:08pm
Griff

The gods I get my information from are http://www.climatechange.govt.nz/ Our government
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-197 the usa government
https://www.gov.uk/government/policies/adapting-to-climate-change the English government
http://www.worldbank.org/en/topic/climatechange the world bank
http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/publications_and_data_technical_papers.shtml#.Uck2utjoPFx the UN
http://www.royalsociety.org.nz/events/mathematics-of-planet-earth/ The NZ royal society of science
etcetcetc
seems alarmist is the official government position in most country’s and for keas benefit governments fund climate research because the risk of climate change is so great that most responsible governments want to find out more about it
The only place you find climate change denial is on websites funded by the hydrocarbon industry.
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June 25, 2013 6:25pm
Kea

Griff, where is the head office of the “Hydrocarbon Industry” ? I want to write to them and complain.

You have acknowledged that scientists may be influenced by funding. On that we agree. What you now need to answer is how you know the most well funded scientists of all (The ones promoting AGW) are not influenced by funding ?

You still have not addressed why oil producers would want to waste money on climate “denial” [telling the truth] when people are going to war over their product and demand exceeds supply ? It makes no sense at all !

You also have the awkward problem of explaining why the major oil producers have it all over their websites that they are concerned about climate change and spend billions on alternative energy research ?

Remember to include some answers in with your abuse and ad hominem attack 😉
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June 25, 2013 6:44pm
Griff

Yes kea your normal load of shite that I honestly can not be bothered with as you prove frequently that you IQ is that of a windowlicking moron.
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June 25, 2013 6:53pm
nasska

You may have to resort to driving a stick through the hearts of the alarmists Kea…..the buggers keep coming back for more. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/njik4ye1lttogmx/zombie_hockey.jpg
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June 25, 2013 6:56pm
Viking2

Talking learning and education. Here comes the future and out goes a lot of usless.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8839327/Get-rich-quick-become-an-online-teacher
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June 25, 2013 7:00pm
Judith

@Kea
All scientists are influenced by funding. Even my own research is influenced by whoever is prepared to fund which studies.

Studies that will not be popular, fail to get funding, and therefore are not done or are lesser or inferior to those that attract a lot of funding. So in essence, what you are saying is right. However what you do need to take into account is those with the most money get to fight the ‘bigger’ fight.

If I decided to do some research into (for example) how businesses exploit their workers, I would be hard pushed to get finance. If I wanted to do some research looking at how workers exploit their bosses – I’d be inundated with offers of funding.

So whilst you are right, the ‘system’ is wrong. (if that makes any sense)
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June 25, 2013 7:00pm
Kea

Griff, bullshit you little dope addled coward. You can not answer the questions without revealing the gaping holes in your reasoning. Do not assume every one is as stupid as you. Your a fake.
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June 25, 2013 7:03pm
Kea

However what you do need to take into account is those with the most money get to fight the ‘bigger’ fight.

Judith, And by a considerable margin the AGW promoters get the most money. The people handing out the money are taking it from others. Even those industries that may want to fund independant research will be forced to fund the AGW industry through punitive taxes.

So how much money are we talking about ? The direct funding to the alarmists is in the billions of dollars. The spin off industries built around AGW alarmism are measured in the trillions of dollars. Very rich and powerful people have invested considerable sums of money based on AGW fear. They are not going to sit back and see some jumped up little independent scientist destroy their empire.
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June 25, 2013 7:12pm
Kea

Griff:

1. where is the head office of the “Hydrocarbon Industry” ? I want to write to them and complain.

2. You have acknowledged that scientists may be influenced by funding. On that we agree. What you now need to answer is how you know the most well funded scientists of all (The ones promoting AGW) are not influenced by funding ?

3. You still have not addressed why oil producers would want to waste money on climate “denial” [telling the truth] when people are going to war over their product and demand exceeds supply ? It makes no sense at all !

4. You also have the awkward problem of explaining why the major oil producers have it all over their websites that they are concerned about climate change and spend billions on alternative energy research ?

Remember to include some answers in with your abuse and ad hominem attack
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June 25, 2013 7:15pm
Griff

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/feb/14/funding-climate-change-denial-thinktanks-network
http://www.greenpeace.org/usa/en/campaigns/global-warming-and-energy/polluterwatch/koch-industries/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_change_denial
http://www.desmogblog.com/node/7044
http://www.livescience.com/26618-climate-change-denial-koch-donors-trust.html
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/28/meet-the-climate-denial-machine/191545
http://www.skepticalscience.com/bigoil.html
http://monthlyreview.org/2012/05/01/petroleum-and-propaganda
http://www.zmescience.com/ecology/world-problems/climate-change-deniers-04062012/
http://www.care2.com/causes/climate-change-denial-research-funded-by-big-oil.html
http://thinkprogress.org/tag/climate-change-deniers/
Organizations like the Heartland Institute, a conservative think-tank and one of the recipients of the Donors Trusts’ funds, contribute to the spread of climate change science denial propaganda by targeting children. Last year some Heartland documents were leaked to the public, revealing plans for their “global warming curriculum project,” which would distribute unscientific global warming material for elementary school and anti-climate change science programs.

Though it sounds shocking, this was not the first time that Heartland attempted to integrate anti-climate change materials into schools. In 2008, over 11,000 Canadian schools received teaching materials that denied human involvement in climate change from the Heartland Institute. In 2009, they sent copies of The Skeptic’s Handbook to 14,000 US school board officials.

Last year, a whistleblower calling him/herself a “Heartland Insider,” released the Heartland Institute’s budget, fundraising plan, and climate strategy. The documents proved that Heartland “advocates against responsible climate mitigation and then uses that advocacy to raise money from oil companies and ‘other corporations whose interests are threatened by climate policies,’” according to DeSmogBlog.

Internal documents revealed Heartland’s plan to develop a “global warming curriculum” for elementary school children that “presents climate science as a major scientific controversy,” ClimateProgress reports. The $100,000 a year effort is being developed by Dr. David E. Wojick, a coal-industry consultant. The Institute also runs the Nongovernmental International Panel on Climate Change (NIPCC), which “pays a team of scientists approximately $300,000 a year to work on a series of editions of Climate Change Reconsidered.”

Heartland continues to receive funding from the Charles G. Koch Foundation, one of the foundations of the fossil fuel fortune that is the Koch brothers, as well as Philip Morris, the tobacco giant advocating against policies related to smoking and health, among many others.
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June 25, 2013 7:27pm
Griff

Griff (5,168) Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. ??????
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June 25, 2013 7:29pm
Jack5

TV3’s Campbell Live show is dim-witted as well as notably Leftist.

Tonight it was attacking the Government for seeking the best prices for surplus houses it is selling in Auckland. A chap with an Indian accent, purporting to speak on behalf of all home-seeking Kiwis, seemed incredulous that the Government wouldn’t sell to him for a lower price than it might get from another buyer.

TV3’s credibility on money matters will be under a cloud for years to come, however. Under the receivership this month, banks will minimise their losses on lending to its parent, MediaWorks, but likely at a cost to taxpayers, as the IRD could miss out on millions owed to it.

I thought tax debts had priority over just about everything in receiverships, but the company is disputing its tax losses. If tax millions are going to be lost because of the receivership, someone may have to authorise the IRD in effect to go along with the restructuring and do a huge write-off. That someone would be a senior politician. Would NZ taxpayers want this?

The Campbell Live reporter tonight at one stage interviewed the Government department spokesman who tried to explain the sales of the Auckland houses. The spokesman said the department had a duty to get market value, and if it didn’t a buyer could immediately flick it on and take a profit. The reporter suggested that was no real concern of his — that is, of the Government, on behalf of taxpayers!

If politicians authorise or order the IRD to sacrifice tax millions to keep TV3 alive, what will be their justification? Do they want a dumbed-down New Zealand?
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June 25, 2013 7:33pm
Kea

Griff (5,169) Says:
June 25th, 2013 at 7:29 pm
Griff (5,168) Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. ??????

Why Pot Smokers Are Paranoid

Paranoia is one of the most unpleasant “side effects” of marijuana. It’s also a key experience shared by marijuana smokers and people with schizophrenia. But exactly how does smoking a joint cause the feeling that dark forces are conspiring to do you wrong?

Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/04/06/why-pot-smokers-are-paranoid/#ixzz2XDA8xtI7
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June 25, 2013 7:36pm
Judith

Kea (5,469) Says:
June 25th, 2013 at 7:12 pm
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WOW that much money? I’m definitely in the wrong science.
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June 25, 2013 7:37pm
Griff

Lick lick little wing nut
if we move away from a carbon based society who will lose money?
Hydro carbon producers
The present reserves of hydro carbons the industry’s have on their books will become worthless.
They aim to keep us burning oil gas and coal for as long as possible
Shot term profits at the cost of humanity’s future …….
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June 25, 2013 7:44pm
nasska

It was her first day in the office. When I saw her, I knew I was in love. Her arse fitted perfectly in her black skirt, her curves were those only heard in fairy tales. All I could look at were her breasts bouncing up, and down. And then up again. What struck me most were her eyes. Golden like the sun and sparkly like the stars at midnight. The most wonderful combination, it took my breath away.

As she strolled along the aisle, beauty radiating off her, she stubbed her toe.

“Fuck me”, she gasped, as she bent over to stroke her foot, her arse barely a foot away from my face..

And that your honour, is where the confusion began.
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June 25, 2013 8:00pm
graham

Pete, if you do have a minute, I’d very much appreciate your explanation of the apparent conflict between what you claim you said:

“graham – I’ve said that David Henry is most unlikely to have leaked”

and some of the posts on yournz that I have read:

A more likely explanation is that Henry leaked to Peters to put pressure on Dunne in his inquiry. There is no obvious alternative.

http://yournz.org/2013/06/17/lack-of-evidence-points-serious-suspicions-at-henry/

I pointed out what should be obvious – a vindictive or political leak to Winston Peters is most likely to have come from someone associated with Henry’s inquiry … it is most likely the Peters leak came from someone involved with Henry and his inquiry – that is a serious matter and ultimately Henry is responsible for how his inquiry was conducted.

http://yournz.org/2013/06/18/on-henry-criticisms-public-servants-shouldnt-escape-scrutiny/

I posted this around six hours ago, but I guess you must have skipped over it.

http://www.kiwiblog.co.nz/2013/06/general_debate_25_june_2013.html#comment-1163298
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June 25, 2013 8:06pm
Kea

Griff how are you going with those questions ?

if we move away from a carbon based society who will lose money?

Carbon in this context means organic and all life is carbon based. You have just told us we are moving away from life. Sorry buddy but this shows the true state of your knowledge. If you simply meant organic natural fuels like oil and coal, then that day is a very very long way off.

Carbon is the 15th most abundant element in the Earth’s crust, and the fourth most abundant element in the universe by mass after hydrogen, helium, and oxygen. It is present in all known life forms, and in the human body carbon is the second most abundant element by mass. Carbon occurs in all known organic life and is the basis of organic chemistry.
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June 25, 2013 8:08pm
Kea

Griff:

1. where is the head office of the “Hydrocarbon Industry” ? I want to write to them and complain.

2. You have acknowledged that scientists may be influenced by funding. On that we agree. What you now need to answer is how you know the most well funded scientists of all (The ones promoting AGW) are not influenced by funding ?

3. You still have not addressed why oil producers would want to waste money on climate “denial” [telling the truth] when people are going to war over their product and demand exceeds supply ? It makes no sense at all !

4. You also have the awkward problem of explaining why the major oil producers have it all over their websites that they are concerned about climate change and spend billions on alternative energy research ?
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June 25, 2013 8:10pm
Dennis Horne

Judith (2,841) Says: June 25th, 2013 at 7:37 pm. I’m definitely in the wrong science.

Dr Mitty, I presume.
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June 25, 2013 8:15pm
Pete George

graham, those are edited quotes that you are showing, which is a bit naughty of you. Here it is unedited:

I didn’t accuse David Henry, I pointed out what should be obvious – a vindictive or political leak to Winston Peters is most likely to have come from someone associated with Henry’s inquiry. A couple of Kiwiblog comments pointed out that Henry is not an obvious ally of Peters, in fact the opposite.

“Henry leaking to Peters? Im sorry, thats as pathetic ”

Yup – anyone who knows any of their (Peters’ and Henry’s) history would know that is laughable.

But it is most likely the Peters leak came from someone involved with Henry and his inquiry – that is a serious matter and ultimately Henry is responsible for how his inquiry was conducted.

So I clearly addressed what was said and made it clear I thought someone other than Henry leaked.

And in the first link I also said:

The motives and methods of David Henry (or of someone associated with him in his inquiry) are as questionable as those of Peter Dunne. The main difference is Henry doesn’t have Peters or Trevor Mallard targeting and harassing him.

I pointed out there was the same amount of evidence that Henry leaked that there was that Dunne leaked – none.

Now graham, you tell me – where do you think the leak to Winston Peters is most likely to have originated from?
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June 25, 2013 8:27pm
Kea

Judith:

1. Are you a liar ?

2. Can you sit in your nice warm office paid for by tax payers while old people freeze to death in a record winter and say it is getting too warm and demand energy be more expensive ?

3. Do you hate modern industrial society ?

4. Do you hate people and regard them as a disease on the planet and “un-natural” ?

If you answered yes to all those questions, congratulations !!! You can be a “climate scientist” for the IPCC and have your share of the generous funding. No more struggle street for you my friend.
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June 25, 2013 8:27pm
Viking2

A good read. Serious analysis of policy options.

http://www.theconservative.co.nz/?q=node/327
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June 25, 2013 8:33pm
Griff

Griff (5,168) Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. ??????

Seems DPF has a moderation trap for excessive linking 😆
Wonder how many links before it kicks in?
You are right DPF to many links.
pointless
those addressed are not capable of reading and understanding anyway.
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June 25, 2013 8:35pm
Kea

Griff I had no links in my questions yet you seem unable to read or understand them.
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June 25, 2013 8:39pm
Griff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/8840928/Racist-domain-names-not-easily-removed
Domain names considered racist toward Maori can not be removed by the body that manages them unless they are ordered to by a court.

One domain name, unemployed.maori.nz, links straight to the Work and Income New Zealand website.

Another, called kai.maori.nz, redirects to the KFC website.

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June 25, 2013 9:01pm
graham

Oh Pete, you must have a Masters in spin. Trying to explain away your comment:

“A more likely explanation is that Henry leaked to Peters to put pressure on Dunne in his inquiry. There is no obvious alternative”

as meaning there is no evidence that Henry leaked, just as there is no evidence that Dunne leaked.
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June 25, 2013 9:07pm
Pete George

Graham, when I wrote that there was no obvious alternative, but I still didn’t say that Henry leaked, I said it was more likely Henry than Key – and that’s obvious if you read everything in context rather than pick out one sentence in isolation. And since then I’ve learnt more and there are more alternatives than I thought.

You didn’t answer my question. Where do you think the leak to Winston Peters is most likely to have originated from?
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June 25, 2013 9:23pm
niggly

Crikey Penny @ 1.59 pm

You must be the only person who actually posts (their own) Press Releases direct onto Kiwiblog.

I can’t recall anyone else (or any other Party’s) doing this.

Hmmm I wonder if there is some KB rule against this? 🙂
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June 25, 2013 11:03pm
Pete George

From the latest NZ Herald-Digipoll:

– National 48.8 (up 0.3)
– Labour 30.9 (down 5.5)
– Greens 10.5 (up 1.5)
– NZ First 5.1 (up 2.6)
– Maori Party 1.8 (up 0.7)
– Mana 0.5 (no change)
– United Future 0.3 (up 0.3)
– Act 0.2 (up 0.1)
– Conservatives 1.5 (up 0.2)

National are holding high, a few interesting small movements, but most attention will be on Labour dropping 5.5%.

Preferred Prime Minister:

– John Key 65.2 (up 2.6)
– David Shearer down 6.1 (no actual % given)
– Winston Peters 6.4 (up 4)

Asked who would be best to replace Mr Shearer if he left politics:

– David Cunliffe 31.8 (Labour supporters 37.7)
– Grant Robertson 16.7 (Labour supporters 19)
– Andrew Little 13.5 (Labour supporters 14)
– Someone Else 11.0
– Refused/did not say 27
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June 26, 2013 5:56am
Manolo

Griff’s nefarious influence on world affairs: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/25/obama-to-unveil-new-climate-regulations-as-adviser-pushes-war-on-coal/
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June 26, 2013 6:00am
graham

“Where do you think the leak to Winston Peters is most likely to have originated from?”

Well I have my theory, Pete, but no actual evidence. And I don’t consider it proper or correct to bandy people’s names about, sullying their reputation by saying something like, ooh, for example, ““A more likely explanation is that (person X) leaked to Peters to put pressure on Dunne in the inquiry. There is no obvious alternative”.

Would you not agree?
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June 26, 2013 7:02am
Kea

Manolo, do you think if I embrace AGW it might get a little warmer at my house this morning ? My car looks like an igloo parked in the drive 🙂
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June 26, 2013 7:12am
Pete George

“Well I have my theory, Pete, but no actual evidence. And I don’t consider it proper or correct to bandy people’s names about, sullying their reputation…”

At 8.29 am “Dunne is desperately trying to work out who he needs to ingratiate himself with and very likely trying to walk a central tightrope that allows him to swing either way come the election.”

No actual evidence.

At 1.21 pm “so it *could* be seen that Dunne is in that “possible majority of men” as you once put it who “aid the culture of rape by passively ignoring rape culture” in refusing to come to Vance’s defence by being frank and open, and thus allowing innuendo to circulate.”

No actual evidence – actually there is evidence to the contrary.

And you have had plenty of goes at bandying my name about. So you seem to hold others to a standard that you don’t hold yourself to.

Would you not agree?
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June 26, 2013 7:21am
Viking2

National’s useless idiot causes more crap.

In a letter to an inter-council working party on genetic engineering in 2010, Dr Smith said GMOs were best controlled by national legislation, but that this “did not preclude a council from restricting or preventing the use of GMOs in their region”.

Meanwhile,

Environment Minister Amy Adams has confirmed she will block councils from setting their own rules on genetically modified organisms, saying that central Government’s controls on GM trials and releases were strict enough.

The minister was challenged in Parliament yesterday after the Herald revealed she was investigating attempts by North Island councils to introduce higher standards on GMOs in their planning documents.

Ms Adams said in the House that she was concerned that councils were trying to go against central Government’s rules on new organisms.

“Local councils are local councils – they operate under the national framework. There has never been the ability for them to rewrite national rules that they don’t like.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10892985
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June 26, 2013 7:21am
graham

Pete, stop being a fool. You are going around in circles trying to extricate yourself from the web you have woven.

Your quote from my post at 1:21 is selective, in the same way you accused me of being selective at 8:27 pm.

And I fail to see how saying that “Dunne is desperately trying to work out who he needs to ingratiate himself with and very likely trying to walk a central tightrope that allows him to swing either way come the election” is sullying the man’s reputation. He is a self-confessed liberal centrist, who has associated himself at various times with Labour, National, Future New Zealand, United New Zealand, United Future, the Outdoor Recreation Party, the Progressive Party, Winston Peters, and I don’t know who else. He will pretty much work with anybody. Fact.

And I have no idea what your complaint about “bandying your name about” means. To “bandy” is to (a) give and receive (words, for example); exchange: The old friends bandied compliments when they met; or (b) to discuss in a casual or frivolous manner: bandy an idea about.
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June 26, 2013 7:52am
Pete George

graham, you seem to have an obsession for nitpicking about what I say while ignoring or making excuses for far worse from others here, and you’re blind to your practicing what you nitpick about.
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June 26, 2013 8:02am
graham

Sure Pete. And you NEVER nitpick.

What you seem to have failed to notice is that the vast majority of my comments on this particular thread have consisted of taking your own words, your own habits, your own particular nuances, and replaying them back to you, in the hope you would realise how you come across to others. Apparently I was too subtle.
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June 26, 2013 8:10am
Pete George

And perhaps you are to oblivious to your hypocrisy. And your obsession with me while you accept much worse from others.
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