General Debate 20 June 2013

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Dennis Horne

I do so hope Dunne had some fun
‘Cos now he is so very glum
It doesn’t seem to be quite fair
For him to face the stare and glare
Of sitting Members whose bums are numb.
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June 20, 2013 8:06am
thedavincimode

Well, a remarkable observation from the former Minister of Revenue. If they had filed a false return instead of following the rules, the Electoral Commission would never have known UF failed its registration requirements. A full monty whinge that they are somehow hard done by because of a set of rules that they broke. Rules with consequences. But he says, rules that need to be changed because he is now inconvenienced. How does the fact that they could have gone undetected in filing a false return justify a change to the rules? How would he feel about this principle operating in an income tax context? But then, Dunne is no stranger to moral equivalence where it is fair, reasonable and sensible.
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June 20, 2013 8:06am
Rosa19

who said Chen Palmer prices were over the top!

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10891752
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June 20, 2013 8:09am
Judith

NASA wants us to help them stop Asteroids. (Damn that US economy must be bad!)

Anyway – any potential Supermen out there? It appears your help is needed.

http://www.informationweek.com/government/mobile/nasa-wants-you-to-stop-asteroids/240156967
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June 20, 2013 8:19am
Chuck Bird

Unlike AGW the threat from asteroids is real.
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June 20, 2013 8:24am
Dennis Horne

@Judith. Suggest Karam. He can do the impossible. 🙂
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June 20, 2013 8:32am
Rick Rowling

Would you release more of your information to an enquiry when the last lot ended up with Winston Peters?

Why no screaming about who leaked to Peters?
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June 20, 2013 8:32am
Judith

Chuck Bird (3,551) Says:
June 20th, 2013 at 8:24 am
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🙂 you volunteering Chuck? You do know the job requires you to wear your undies over your clothes don’t you?

But yes, it does appear to be a serious threat and a rather dangerous one if it is big enough and headed straight for us (of course we frequently get hit with smaller ones, that actually I believe create diamonds in some cases)

I don’t know anything about the science at all, but I presume they are on a predetermined path and are just as likely to hit us, as avoid us, and there isn’t really a lot that can be done to change that?
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June 20, 2013 8:33am
Judith

Dennis Horne (1,367) Says:
June 20th, 2013 at 8:32 am
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Dear Dennis, if its impossible, then it can’t have been done. Even me, who had such a crush on the science teacher, I never learned a thing in class, knows that the impossible is just that – impossible. If Mr Karam has achieved it, then it was able to be achieved.

I cannot believe we are having this conversation.
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June 20, 2013 8:35am
Colville

TDM @ 8.06.
I have some sympathy for the plight of Dunne with his trouble with membership ( I is one!)
They have put their hand up saying that people have moved/died/havent paid etc and that they are doing an internal audit and will resubmit. They submit 500 eletronic copied and get told to fuck off only signed paper copies are allowed. I mean FFS is this 1993? I am surprised they dont demand faxes! I see now they have relented and will allow a scaned copy of a signed piece of paper. But why not a electronic copy with proof of payment?
Fair enuf Dunny and Co could and should have been on the ball and have this sorted prior. Deregister one day and apply the next. But its very easy to see the problems in hind sight.
You can bet both your balls that Winston First could not provide 500 signed paper memberships that would withstand an audit.
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June 20, 2013 8:42am
Rick Rowling

You can bet both your balls that Winston First could not provide 500 signed paper memberships that would withstand an audit.

More likely that Winston First couldn’t provide evidence of 500 members who could join the party over that newfangled internet thingy that the young ones keep talking about.
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June 20, 2013 8:45am
Pete George

The great predicted storm has turned into a it of a fizzer. It’s a bit cool, windy and wet but for a southerly straight rom the Antarctic it’s nothing out of the ordinary, it’s not even bitter.

What’s with the climate when you can’t even get a decent southerly blast?
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June 20, 2013 8:48am
Pete George

Colville – the stupid thing about it is the Electoral Commission want signed documentation (scanned or not) – so they can verify valid membership. So it isn’t even seen as proof, it is to enable them to prove it. That doesn’t make sense.

I agree though that it’s been a major ballsup by the party.

The ironic thing is that without all this hoo-ha the party would have continued to fade away. The publicity has sparked a major resergence in membership – from what I can gather it’s something close to 1500 now.

This is an opportunity for a rejuvenation of the party. There’s plenty of work to be done to take advantage of the renewed interest, but the opportunity is now there. And without the de-registration (and Winston) it wouldn’t have arisen.
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June 20, 2013 8:54am
Manolo

Excellent lines from Lindsay on the whore Dunne:
There’s little else of note. His big 2002 “common-sense” policy plank, the Families Commission, was doomed from the outset, having been neutered by Labour’s politically correct refusal to define a family. National should have dumped it in 2008 but needed Dunne as much as he needed them. It’s a goner now, much of the funding shifted to more practical initiatives in 2012 (how mad did that make Dunne?)

Will anyone miss his annual scorecard on fellow parliamentarian’s behaviour? An eccentric exercise by a pompous man who rated his own behaviour rather highly, his confession that the actions precipitating his ministerial demise were “stupid” at long last displayed some overdue humility. Cathartic hopefully.

http://lindsaymitchell.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/remembering-peter-dunne.html
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June 20, 2013 9:01am
Andrei

LOL the world has gone nuts

In nearly all of Europe, assertive secularists and beleaguered believers battle to make their voices heard. All of which leaves the European Commission, in charge of shaping Europe’s common aspirations, under attack from all sides, denounced by atheists for even its timid engagement with religion and by nationalist Christian fundamentalists as an agent of Satan.

Asked about such criticism, Katharina von Schnurbein, the commission official responsible for outreach to both religious and secular groups, smiled and said, “I can assure you that the European Commission is not the Antichrist.”
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June 20, 2013 9:12am
WineOh

Labour faces an interesting quandary with Peter Dunne. Is he truly finished, or does Ohariu still support their man. Given how minor his transgressions seem to be, he may well be re-elected. Dunne has already indicated receptiveness to switching camps with his recent vote against the latest employment law amendments put up by the Govt.

If Labour is struggling to find the numbers to form a government at the next election, it is entirely plausible that they will need Dunne to form a majority. They may want to take it easy on flogging him now as it will be remembered come the evening of the election.
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June 20, 2013 9:26am
peterwn

Re United Future – all told, the Electoral Commission stance is quite reasonable. If a party is serious about original registration, then collecting 500 signed membership forms containing certain information and the person’s agreement to be ameber is quite reasonable. Once it is past that hurdle, electronic membership mechanisms are OK. It is equally reasonable that if a party cannot reasonably verify it still has 500 members, then it becomes disqualified. In this case it is obvious that the party has not been vigilent about keeping its affairs in order, and that is a reasonable ‘ask’ when a six-figure of taxpayers’ money hangs on this. It is no answer to claim the party would have escaped notice if its officials had falsely signed the declaration thus committing perjury – even if they thought this, they would realise that ‘Murphy’s Law’ could have caught them out (like with David Garrett’s crook passport application).

And so it the Party’s affairs appeared to not be in reasonable order, it should not have been functioning as a party. The ‘quacks like a duck…’ analogy applies, except that the duck is dead in this case. And the Electoral Commission has ruled that reviving the duck is not an option – UF must produce a new duck.

Mr Speaker was quite reasonable in giving UF a week or so to sort things out (he would have done so with any party in a similar position). However the game is now up and Mr Speaker now has little option but to cut UF Leader’s grant, offices, etc. This means that UF loses all this until the next election, even if UF can be reincarnated.

IMO a party should have at least 4 or so MP’s before it can claim a leader’s allowance, perks or a front row seat for its leader.
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June 20, 2013 9:30am
Pete George

However the game is now up and Mr Speaker now has little option but to cut UF Leader’s grant, offices, etc. This means that UF loses all this until the next election, even if UF can be reincarnated.

Surely it can’t work like that.

Either the party qualified as of the last election and that continues throughout the term, as Graeme Edgeler suggests:

Standing Order 34 now states:

Every political party registered under Part 4 of the Electoral Act 1993, and in whose interest a member was elected at the preceding general election or at any subsequent by-election, is entitled to be recognised as a party for parliamentary purposes.

Peter Dunne was elected at the preceding general election in the interest of a political party registered under Part 4 of the Electoral Act. That party is no longer registered, but he was so elected, and under that banner. United Future was recognised. Properly. A new general election would change that, but we haven’t had one.

http://publicaddress.net/legalbeagle/d-day-for-dunne-updated/

Or funding is lost if the part deregisters and resumes once registered again. Otherwise it would be manifestly unfair.

Better still, legislation and Electoral Commission rules are reviewed and revised so that how this sort of unprecedented situation is dealt with is clear. Currently it’s too open to interpretation.
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June 20, 2013 9:39am
Colville

peterwn,
How does a pen and ink signature make a piece of paper more valid than a electronic copy complete with proof of fee payment?
Just seems out of the dark ages to me.

WineOh. I am sure he will stand and win again. He hasnt done anything wrong that the public give a rats arse about.
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June 20, 2013 9:40am
Scott Chris

from what I can gather it’s something close to 1500 now.

Yes, if you count Tibbles Dunne and Fido Dunne amongst others. Amazing how domestic animals are so clever now, they can fill out an online application for party membership.

Personally I blame Whoflung Dunne the Parrot for leaking to Peters.
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June 20, 2013 9:41am
smttc

WineOh, you’re kidding right?

Dunne will do whatever it takes to sup at the trough post election and feelings of disdain for Labour will be forgotten in a heartbeat.
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June 20, 2013 9:46am
Weihana

Chuck Bird (3,551) Says:
June 20th, 2013 at 8:24 am

Unlike AGW the threat from asteroids is real.

Actually both are real threats, the issue for both is timescale. The chance of an asteroid, that constitutes an existential threat, hitting Earth in your lifetime is vanishingly small. But I get it: rock hitting other rock, easy to comprehend. But a higher thermal equilibrium from the absorption of infrared radiation in the atmosphere? Voodoo. 🙂
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June 20, 2013 10:58am
dime

What the fuck is Dunne thinking?

He’s on the radio bitching about his lost funds.

Apparently if he had lied he wouldnt have had a problem BAHAHAHAHA that his defense!

“its not fair, i told the truth wah wah wah”

sometimes telling the truth isnt easy! dung!

mr sensible has lost the fucking plot
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June 20, 2013 11:01am
Fletch

Two more murders by Muslims in the U.K in separate incidents.

A 20-year-old man has appeared in court charged with the murder of a young woman who was beheaded in a knife attack.

Aras Hussein appeared at Sheffield Magistrates’ Court today accused of murdering Reema Ramzan, 18.

Miss Ramzan, who was from the Darnall area of Sheffield, died on June 4 following an incident at a property on Herries Road, in the city.

Detectives said she suffered a severe knife attack resulting in fatal injuries, including the severing of her head.

Hussein, of Sheffield, is also charged with assaulting five people at Sheffield’s Northern General Hospital, where he was taken following his arrest by police.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2344066/Man-20-appears-court-accused-beheading-18-year-old-woman-attacking-people-treated-hospital.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

And a Christian man in a wheelchair has his throat slashed. Yeh, really brave to attack someone in a wheelchair.

Yet another sickening murder in London by a Muslim happened over the weekend when a disabled wheelchair bound man had his throat cut.

Daha Mohammed, 51, of Abbotts Close, Thamesmead, was charged with the murder of Mr Colin Greenaway and appeared at Bexley Magistrates’ Court today.

Colin was described as a ‘great neighbour and friend’ by Gary Cook, who resides in the flat above, and said he rushed down after one of his neighbour’s carers knocked on his doors in floods of tears on Saturday.

http://www.bnp.org.uk/news/national/breaking-news-another-savage-murder-se-london

But according to those in power we are not at war with Islam.
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June 20, 2013 11:10am
Jack5

New Zealand could lose 7000 jobs from a United States-Europe free trade agreement, on which discussions begin next month. This is in the detail of a report on the effect of the agreement on Germany, as reported in Der Spiegel.

What happened to the NZ free trade agreement with the USA? It didn’t get what Fonterra wanted. Why first a free trade agreement with China? It’s great for Fonterra.

A likely US-Europe free trade agreement and it’s flow on effects is another warning about what is happening to New Zealand. Our trade bureaucrats and politicians are locking us into a subservient economic relationship with China, as close a dependence as that we had with Britain in colonial days.

NZ may be on the way to becoming a South Pacific “banana” republic on the lines of the Central American banana republics, such as the Honduras. Milk instead of bananas, Fonterra instead of the United Fruit Company, and Chinese rather than American end consumers, and imported Chinese, Indian, and Filipino workers instead of the American supervisors’ mini-colonies.

Sadly, long ended is the vigorous, entrepreneurial surge that came with Britain’s entry to the EC. This sought for NZ a wide array of foreign markets for a range of NZ exports. The idea of NZ becoming a technologically sophisticated little export country now looks an unrealised 1970s dream.

The German story link:
http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/study-on-trans-atlantic-trade-sees-huge-benefits-for-germany-a-906407.html
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June 20, 2013 11:13am
Weihana

Fletch (4,406) Says:
June 20th, 2013 at 11:10 am

Two more murders by Muslims in the U.K in separate incidents.

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But according to those in power we are not at war with Islam.

Given the first victim appears to also be Muslim it is an interesting war “they” are waging.

If only they could be more like good British folk who never ever inflict domestic abuse on their partners nor murder them.
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June 20, 2013 11:24am
shady

Two things – what has happened to all the political polls that would normally have come out by now…? Particularly Roy Morgan – his polls are usually as regular as clockwork.

And secondly – what happened to the warm winter that was forecast only 3 weeks ago?

“Overall, temperatures for winter 2013 – June to August – are very likely to be above average across the entire country,”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10887758
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June 20, 2013 11:24am
Scott Chris

The chance of an asteroid, that constitutes an existential threat, hitting Earth in your lifetime is vanishingly small.

Yeah, about the same as that of the sky falling on your head. 😀
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June 20, 2013 11:28am
Pauleastbay

Loving watching Dunne prove that he is nothing different from all the other money grabbing tit sucking politicians – hes proving once and for all thats its all about he bucks nothing more .
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June 20, 2013 11:34am
Fletch

Weihana, come on, you know this is different. The beheading thing is part of Sharia. Just do a Google search on Islam and ‘beheading’. The children in Saudi Arabia are even taught amputation of limbs in their school books.

Later they practice on dogs and cats (there are many youtube videos of Muslims doing this), so it becomes almost second nature.
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June 20, 2013 11:35am
Fletch

This is doing the rounds at the moment, how a law firm responded to an unjust cease and desist letter 😀

http://abovethelaw.com/2013/06/how-to-write-a-great-response-to-a-cease-and-desist-letter/
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June 20, 2013 11:38am
peterwn

Colville – nothing to do with ‘dark ages’. The Commission wants verification (written signatures) of membership to allow the party to ‘kick off’, there is no other plauible mechanism at this early stage since prospective members are unlikely to have electronic validation mechanisms. After that the Commission will accept electronic evidence accompanied presumably by a statutory declaration. This original verification requirement is not a big ‘ask’ – the Mana party did it in a reasonably short timeframe. In the case of the Mana party it was a significant act of good faith which helped to expedite its application.

While the ability of Hone to draw a leader’s allowance was criticised at the time, there was no significant criticism with the way the Commission handled Mana’s application.

Pete – two points re standing orders –
a. how well does this fit with any other relevant enactment? If in conflict with an Act, the Act would prevail.
b. If Standing Orders did prevail, Parliaent can soon enough change them. Labour would presumably support any such change, and so would National, I suspect.

Mr Speaker would have sought advice on this at an early stage, and if advised that Standing Orders prevailed in this case would have ruled that Peter Dunne keeps the UF leader’s allowance – end of matter.
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June 20, 2013 11:48am
Weihana

Fletch (4,408) Says:
June 20th, 2013 at 11:35 am

Weihana, come on, you know this is different. The beheading thing is part of Sharia.

I agree beheading is characteristic of the culture. But I still fail to see how a Muslim man killing his Muslim wife is evidence of a war between Islam and the West. Seems to me more an issue of domestic abuse, something that is a particular problem with Islam but certainly not unique to Islam.

The issue is, if 2 million Muslims were at war with Britain, wouldn’t there be more evidence of this aside from incidents which can easily be characterized as ordinary crime? One would think an army of 2 million could do a little better than that.
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June 20, 2013 11:49am
dime

Did you hear about the criminal who handed himself into police? apparently they are going to charge him and he may go to jail!

ITS NOT FAIR!!!

he told the truth and is being punished for it. if he had said nothing then he probably would have been fine.

Peter Dunne is gutted for the guy. He will introduce legislation saying that people who are honest and admit to things are never penalised.
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June 20, 2013 11:56am
dime

James Gandolfini has died. 51. Heart Attack. Gutted.
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June 20, 2013 12:15pm
Pauleastbay

Was it a coronary though Dime?
Did he upset some people who have arranged an “accident” ?

Reid where are you when we need you?, presumably you will have the full bully from Twin Towers central
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June 20, 2013 12:23pm
dime

He was a big boy.

He was recently in the piece of shit film “The Incredible Burt Wonderstone”. He was the only good bit. Funny.
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June 20, 2013 12:26pm
Fletch

Weihana, beheadings aside, even Islamic imams and leaders of Middle Eastern countries say that America and Israel are the enemies. Just last week Egypt’s cabinet got caught in a ‘hot mic’ incident referring to America and Israel as enemies. And this is the same country Obama is giving billions of dollars to.

I’m very fond of battles. With the enemies, of course, with America and Israel, but this battle must be waged with maximum judiciousness and calm. Even though this is a secret meeting we must all take an oath not to leak anything to the media unless it is done officially by Sister Pakinam. We need an official plan for popular national security, even if we did …

At that point, someone off camera then handed Mr. Hussein a note, which he studied for a moment before chuckling and quickly changing his tone.

“O.K. Fine. It’s good that you told me,” he said. “The principles behind what I’m saying are not really secret. Our battle is with America and Israel, not with Ethiopia. Therefore, engaging in battle, this is my opinion … ”

Mr. Morsi then interrupted him, “This meeting is being aired live on TV.”

The men seated around the long table burst into laughter, as Mr. Hussein, who less than a minute earlier had earnestly described the gathering as a “secret meeting,” began to backtrack with a hint of embarrassment in his voice.

http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/with-cameras-rolling-egyptian-politicians-threaten-ethiopia-over-dam/

Don’t kid yourself if you think that Islam is not at war with the West. And there are many ways to win a war; by physical war against a person, or by integrating into a society and undermining it from within (CAIR and ISNA) – making any criticism politically incorrect.
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June 20, 2013 12:27pm
Harriet

“….you volunteering Chuck? You do know the job requires you to wear your undies over your clothes don’t you?…”

Jealous that it doesn’t require your ‘ezys’ Judith? 😎
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June 20, 2013 1:49pm
iMP

Gandolfini death a HOAX.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/gandolfini-death-a-hoax-media-played-like-a-soprano/
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June 20, 2013 1:53pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10131366/James-Gandolfini-star-of-The-Sopranos-dies-in-Italy.html
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June 20, 2013 2:00pm
iMP

More utter racism from the ridiculous Hone Harawira.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/utter-racism-from-mana-party/
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June 20, 2013 2:39pm
iMP

Gandolfini Dead or Alive? It’s impossible to know, as there are conflicting reports about his death spread over the last 3 days.

This source says its a hoax. The Telegraph says he is dead. Let’s wait 6 hours.

http://www.examiner.com/article/james-gandolfini-dead-or-alive?cid=rss
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June 20, 2013 2:46pm
Andrei

Gandolfini death a HOAX.

um No the news that James Gandolfini’s death is a hoax is a hoax or so it seems
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June 20, 2013 2:49pm
graham

iMP, I mentioned this yesterday. It seemed to sit comfortably beside this headline from Mana’s website about the housing in Glen Innes:

“STOP THE ETHNIC CLEANSING.”

Mana’s language shows very clearly their attitudes to Maori, and to “the rest of us” who are expected to fund these schemes.

MANA calls for a halt to the sale of state houses; we want them fixed up; and we want whanau moved into them, immediately

(just whanau? Bugger the white families?)

It was actually the tuberculosis crisis in East Coast communities in 1935 that gave rise to the original Maori Affairs Housing scheme; it’s an absolute bloody disgrace that 80 years later Maori are facing another health crisis, rheumatic fever.

(um, what about the non-Maori affected by draughty housing?)

MANA wants to update and extend the former Maori Affairs Housing Loan Scheme because we want Maori to have the opportunity to own their own homes again.

(so, bugger the white families again?)

Government finance would come through Te Puni Kokiri, effectively cutting out banks and their mean-spirited attitude to Maori homeowners.

(Yeah, it’s the bloody bankers’ fault)

Only Maori first-home buyers would be eligible

But fear not, the rest of us non-Maori are not completely forgotten. John Minto will be announcing MANA’s wider housing policy on 23 July as a part of Mana’s MINTO FOR MAYOR Campaign.

Can’t wait …
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June 20, 2013 3:04pm
Pete George

The latest Roy Morgan poll taken over an unusually long period une 3-16:

National Party to 44% (up 3% since May 13-26, 2013)
Maori Party 2% (unchanged)
ACT NZ 0.5% (unchanged)
United Future 0% (down 0.5%)

Labour is 33% (down 2%)
Greens are 11.5% (down 0.5%)
New Zealand First 6% (up 1.5%)
Mana Party 1% (up 0.5%)

Conservative Party of NZ 2% (down 0.5%)
Others 0% (down 1.5%)
No party named 6% (up 1%)

No big surprises there.

http://yournz.org/2013/06/20/roy-morgan-poll-for-june/
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June 20, 2013 3:13pm
bhudson

Well that shows just how much the NZ Power policy has truly resonated with voters. Both Colmar Brunton and Roy Morgan show National up and Labour/Greens down.
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June 20, 2013 3:18pm
kowtow

Gandofini dead?

Who cares?

Celebrity obsessed world.
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June 20, 2013 3:33pm
Pete George

bhudson – yes, I agree. Maybe this is a reaction:

Duncan Garner ‏@Garner_Live

Labour’s strategic direction in tatters … Fran Mold back on contract to Shearer …. confirmed.

There’s little doubt about Labour’s strategic direction being in tatters, but I have no idea how going back to previous tatters is going to help.
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June 20, 2013 3:40pm
bhudson

PG,

Perhaps she is back because a return to when Shearer was just woeful is still an improvement on the current position where he is not only truly woeful, but also the real deputy to both Grant Robertson and Russel Norman
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June 20, 2013 3:49pm
Pete George

And if this is accurate…

@MatthewHootonNZ

Latest @nzlabour private polling shows mana within 5%!!of winning #IkaroaRawhiti @HoneHarawiraMP may have a mate in @NZParliament #nzpol

… it’s a shock, but Maori voters are much better than most at using their votes outside the square.
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June 20, 2013 3:56pm
liarbors a joke

what next..

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8820466/Mana-wants-low-interest-loans-for-Maori

Lol.. “Only Maori first-home buyers would be eligible, he said.”

If that’s not full racism what is ? Fuck if any bank offered white only loans hawawira would blow an artery.
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June 20, 2013 4:16pm
Manolo

Fuck if any bank offered white only loans hawawira would blow an artery.

I wish he would.
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June 20, 2013 4:34pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/tv/showtracker/la-et-st-sopranos-star-james-gandolfini-dead-at-51-20130619,0,3922779.story
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June 20, 2013 4:43pm
goldnkiwi

Anniversary of Bain Murders
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June 20, 2013 5:08pm
nasska

And in other news…. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/axkdn5p2ys1nzkv/venice%20mosques.jpg
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June 20, 2013 6:07pm
Megatron

Re Hone and his racist plan for homes for Maori only.
FFS!
There is opportunity here for all NEw Zealanders to get an education..then to get a good job and eventually to buy a house if that’s what they want.
No one stops Maori- they just don’t have the get up and go to get off their big fat arses. They are too lazy to do the hard work required to get a degree or a trade which takes commitment.
A lot of Maori do not want to work…jobs are there if you want to make the effort to go and find them.
Why should Maori be singled out for housing? There are deserving families who need homes in all races.
Talk about reverse racism.
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June 20, 2013 6:33pm
Longknives

Hey Hone- Once Maori are set up in their brand, spanking new houses what happens when they trash and wreck them like they do their State houses?
Does ‘Whitey’ the taxpayer fork out for another new home for these poor, ‘oppressed’ people?? Will the taxpayer be expected to bail them out when they don’t meet Mortgage payments? (Pokies and Booze can really eat into your benefit these days…)
I mean- Surely it’s the ‘White Motherfucker’s’ fault…
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June 20, 2013 6:47pm
Kea

Life under the black Jesus:

FBI director admits domestic use of drones for surveillance

http://rt.com/usa/fbi-director-mueller-drones-947/
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June 20, 2013 6:52pm
OneTrack

Fletch 11:10 – “But according to those in power we are not at war with Islam.”

But those in power are right. The only slight problem is that Islam appears to be at war with us.
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June 20, 2013 6:53pm
nasska

You may have been right after all Kea. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/hdyum72iz2czq96/History-of-the-world.jpg
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June 20, 2013 6:58pm
Kea

nasska, that boy needs some pointers 🙂
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June 20, 2013 6:59pm
OneTrack

“Does ‘Whitey’ the taxpayer fork out for another new home for these poor, ‘oppressed’ people?? Will the taxpayer be expected to bail them out when they don’t meet Mortgage payments?”

Yes and Yes.
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June 20, 2013 7:08pm
UglyTruth

But those in power are right.

Not really. Gladio-B isn’t about foreign policy honour and justice .
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June 20, 2013 7:32pm
Pauleastbay

An elderly man walks into a confessional. The following conversation ensues:
Man: ‘I am 92 years old, have a wonderful wife of 70 years, many children, grandchildren, and great grandchildren. Yesterday, I picked up two college girls, hitch-hiking. We went to a motel, where I had sex with each of them three times.’
Priest: ‘Are you sorry for your sins?’
Man: ‘What sins?’
Priest: ‘What kind of a Catholic are you?’
Man: ‘I’m Jewish.’
Priest: ‘Why are you telling me all this?’
Man: ‘I’m 92 years old ….. I’m telling everybody!’
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June 20, 2013 8:00pm
nasska

A recent survey asked 100 Muslim women about the Burqa, and they all claimed that they love wearing it.

Mind you, they all look the same. For all we know they interviewed the same deluded bitch a hundred times.
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June 20, 2013 8:06pm
Pauleastbay

A married Irishman went into the confessional and said to his priest, ‘I almost had an affair with another woman.’
The priest said, ‘What do you mean, almost?’
The Irishman said, ‘Well, we got undressed and rubbed together, but then I stopped.’
The priest said, ‘Rubbing is the same as putting it in. You’re not to see that woman again.
For your penance, say five Hail Mary’s and put $50 in the poor box.’
The Irishman left the confessional, said his prayers, and then walked over to the poor box.
He paused for a moment and then started to leave.
The priest, who was watching, quickly ran over to him saying, ‘I saw that. You didn’t put any money in the poor box!’
The Irishman replied, ‘Yeah, but I rubbed the $50 on the box, and according to you, that’s the same as putting it in!
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June 20, 2013 8:09pm
nasska

Billy: “Mum, I’ve got the biggest cock at kindergarten, is that because I’m a big boy?”

Mum: “No, it’s because you’re 28 and retarded. Now watch before you slobber your spaghetti down your new Warriors jersey.”
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June 20, 2013 8:12pm
Harriet

Fucken LOL.

The GFC was triggered by poor blacks in the US defaulting on their ‘cheap’ home loans.

Hone has fuckall chance of his -I mean Bill Clinton’s idea- seeing the light of day in NZ.

And besides, even the ‘tribes’ won’t lend near-unemployed Maori their OWN fucken money! 😎
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June 20, 2013 8:14pm
UglyTruth

@Nasska
What do you call it when one of your own submarines shoots down a commercial airliner for no apparent reason?
Western jihad.

http://beforeitsnews.com/conspiracy-theories/2013/06/conspiracy-confirmed-twa-flight-800-whistleblowers-speak-out-ntsb-told-them-to-lie-2452152.html
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June 20, 2013 8:14pm
calendar girl

I have a vision of Hone campaigning on his 10,000 new homes for Maori – all paid for by iwi from their Treaty of Waitangi settlements.
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June 20, 2013 8:21pm
nasska

UT

Was that what Glenn Beck was banging on about the other day?
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June 20, 2013 8:24pm
UglyTruth

Nasska,
I don’t know. The first MSM account I read was from Fox News, but they were short on detail about who fired the missile.
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June 20, 2013 8:31pm
Kea

Ugly Truth, was TWA flight 800 a “Chemtrail” plane ?
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June 20, 2013 8:33pm
Harriet

Wellington tourism is about fucked.

There is huge outrage here in aust that the ANZ and someother corporate have just announced that they are sending over 2000 jobs off shore – some to NZ.

Call centre jobs here in oz are classified as jobs for the low skilled and unskilled, youth, and secondary jobs for families with kids.

Labor and the Unions are really going for it on this as the election is under 90 days away – and they need a Tampa!

People in oz HATE jobs going offshore. This ain’t a good look for Wellington or NZ.
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June 20, 2013 8:39pm
Shunda barunda

Homo-fascists get mothers day and fathers day banned from a Canadian primary school:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865581793/Parents-rally-after-Canadian-elementary-school-bans-Mothers-Day-and-Fathers-Day-celebrations.html

The whole issue surrounding gay rights has become an ideologically driven nightmare where the arbitrary ‘feelings’ of one group can somehow dominate every and any aspect of society.

Nothing is off limits to these cultural nihilists.
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June 20, 2013 8:40pm
Harriet

“The transformation of the law to redefine the meaning of marriage will be bad for marriage, bad for children, and very bad indeed for those people of faith who want to maintain their faith’s teaching on marriage, in their religious institutions and in their work. The preservation of meaningful religious liberty, it turns out, is inseparable from the preservation, in our legal order, of the truth about marriage. They stand or fall together.”

If homosexuals were once the object of intolerance, the exact opposite is now the case. The oppressed have become the oppressor, and those who dare to stand in their way had better watch out. As Michael Brown rightly states:

“Today, those who have come out of the closet are trying to put their ideological opponents into the closet; those preaching tolerance have become the most intolerant; those calling for inclusion are now the most exclusionary; those celebrating diversity demand absolute uniformity.”

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2013/06/19/why-freedom-is-fast-disappearing/

It is amazing to me that people still use the argument that nothing will change if the most foundational institution to human society is changed. 😎
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June 20, 2013 8:46pm
nasska

I believe in traditional Biblical Marriage:

One man and his sister,
One man and his dead brother’s wife,
One man and one woman and her servants,
One man and his rape victim,
One man and many women,
One man and 700 women and 300 concubines,
One man and one woman and her slaves,
One soldier and his virgin prisoners,

Just not one man and one man. That would be immoral. 🙂
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June 20, 2013 9:03pm
Shunda barunda

Just not one man and one man. That would be immoral.

I don’t have a problem with all citizens gaining equality under law regardless of sexuality, I have a problem with extremist ideology masquerading as gay rights.

I believe cases like the one I posted above proves there is a much deeper agenda.

This was never about marriage.
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June 20, 2013 9:11pm
nasska

….”I believe cases like the one I posted above proves there is a much deeper agenda.

This was never about marriage.”……

Quite possibly Shunda but I like to give the Godologists a bit of exercise now & then. 🙂

https://www.dropbox.com/s/k54hicbq9dhxzt2/glCKR9C.jpg
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June 20, 2013 9:24pm
Kea

Shunda barunda, it all becomes much clearer when you see who is really behind the gay rights agenda. It is feminists, who may or may not be gay. The goal is to destroy marriage and break down what they see as male hegemony and traditional gender roles. You are right, it does go much deeper.
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June 20, 2013 9:25pm
UglyTruth

Just not one man and one man. That would be immoral.

I think the word you are looking for is “unnatural”.
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June 20, 2013 9:51pm
UglyTruth

One man and his sister

Some people would rather have Abraham guilty of incest rather than have him misleading men about his wife in order to save his own life.
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June 20, 2013 10:04pm
thedavincimode

Gandofini dead?

Who cares?

Celebrity obsessed world.

A remarkable insight into a phoney Christian’s tiny petty and putrid little mind. No doubt this is who you were thinking of when you posted that nasska.
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June 20, 2013 10:20pm
axeman

The wintry blast that has crippled parts of the lower South Island is moving north.
Heavy rain and high winds are now causing problems in Christchurch.
Meanwhile, snow and high winds have caused a number of power outages. Electricity to 900 homes has now been restored in Fairlie, but Michael Boorer from Alpine Energy told RadioLIVE about 350 households are still affected.

Meanwhile several alpine passes in the South Island will remain closed overnight and into tomorrow morning.
“There have been some serious snow falls in these areas, while other roads in the region are flooded and experiencing high winds,” the spokeswoman says.

Motorists are being advised to avoid travelling overnight if at all possible.
Snow began falling in Central Otago and Southland yesterday afternoon where flurries reached sea level overnight.

However, forecasters predict the worst will hit later this afternoon.
“We’re not to the peak of this storm yet,” says Daniel Corbett of MetService. “There’s some really nasty elements still to come.”

Thank god for global warming otherwise it would be really cold! 😆
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June 20, 2013 10:42pm
Shunda barunda

Shunda barunda, it all becomes much clearer when you see who is really behind the gay rights agenda. It is feminists, who may or may not be gay. The goal is to destroy marriage and break down what they see as male hegemony and traditional gender roles. You are right, it does go much deeper.

I didn’t think I would ever hear you say that Kea!, you aren’t delirious laying out in the snow near death are you! 😉

I just hope some rationality kicks in (from somewhere) to balance this crap out, if human rights are now going to be based on ‘feelings’, we have got some very interesting times ahead.
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June 20, 2013 10:49pm
Shunda barunda

Meanwhile several alpine passes in the South Island will remain closed overnight and into tomorrow morning.
“There have been some serious snow falls in these areas, while other roads in the region are flooded and experiencing high winds,” the spokeswoman says.

The weird thing is the West Coast has escaped largely unscathed. I was preparing for the worst winds in years and so far nothing too bad at all.

Of course, now the kids are begging me to go up to the snow in the weekend.
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June 20, 2013 10:59pm
lilman

All this talk about Gays ,how did we get onto the subject of Auckland Rugby?
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June 20, 2013 11:25pm
Megatron

Hone seems to be testing the limits to see how much he can get away with and how far he can go.
Imagine the outcry if John Key announced 10,000 homes for white people only!
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