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Left Right and Centre

“We don’t overcharge. We charge an accurate amount for the costs involved”.

Not a problem. And the breakdown of what the costs involved consist of in order to justify the fees is…….
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June 19, 2013 8:08am
Pete George

In his first interview on his return to Parliament Peter Dunne again denied having leaked the Kitteridge report.

There is no direct evidence Dunne leaked the report, and the implications that he leaked are weak. David Henry did not say that Dunne leaked, and although his report implicated Dunne it failed to consider more likely possibilities such as that a leaker would use private communication.

At this stage I think logic and evidence (and lack of evidence) is in Dunne’s favour. Accusations of Dunne’s guilt are on weak grounds.

Dunne continues to deny leaking.
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June 19, 2013 8:18am
hmmokrightitis

“clerical assistant”

And the connection with those in the upper echelons of the labour party, will that come into the sunlight as well?
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June 19, 2013 8:19am
joana

A new programe for ex prisoners is being rolled out in Otago and Southland..Why is it only for some prisoners? Why only Otago and Southland? And why such a ridiculous name? Out of the gate or some such thing.
Judith Collins withdrew the funding for the NZ Prisoners Aid society after a hissy fit with a female leader. Since then it has been almost impossible to access any services for newly released prisoners. Collins is just so professional..The only good thing about here will be her time at the top will be very short lived.
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June 19, 2013 8:21am
Keeping Stock

At last the media are starting to counter some of Winston Peters’ xenophobic rhetoric and half-truths. It’s only 20 years overdue, but it’s welcome nonetheless…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/the-chinese-are-buying-our-houses-oh.html
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June 19, 2013 8:25am
Harriet

Sex ed in New Zealand ‘seriously flawed,’ dangerous: report by Michelle Kaufman, New Zealand Correspondent

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/sex-ed-in-new-zealand-seriously-flawed-dangerous-report

When asked about anal intercourse, this is how one expert, the Director of STD/AIDS Programmes in Colorado Springs for thirty years, and author of over two hundred scholarly publications put it:

“The anus is an exit, not an entrance. This is not the Bible; this is science. Unlike the vagina, nature put a tight sphincter at the entrance of the anus. It’s there for a reason: keep out!” 😎 😎

“….The report has been labelled, in part, ‘homophobic’ by Shaun Robinson, executive director of the Aids Foundation who says his organization “encourages behaviour change – celebrating condoms as a normalised part of sex.”….”

Imagine saying – ” biology is ‘homophobic’ ! ” 😎
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June 19, 2013 8:27am
Judith

joana (1,811) Says:
June 19th, 2013 at 8:21 am
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The only good thing about her (sic) will be her time at the top will be very short lived.

we can but hope so, her timely departure before she does much more harm than good, would be appreciated.
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June 19, 2013 8:39am
Judith

Harriet (1,952) Says:
June 19th, 2013 at 8:27 am

Imagine saying – ” biology is ‘homophobic’ !

but you just did Harry (snigger)

No, I actually agree in essence with what you say, however, the anus is not just entered during sexual acts, but also used for medical exploration. In fact it is advocated for those with a family propensity to bowel and other cancers, that they undertake a regular examination.

I think we have to lessen our ‘delicacy’ regarding that area and accept it as a not so ‘off limits’ area of our bodies in such a manner that it encourages more people, especially males to have the required examination.

Because of the delicacy of the procedure, due mostly to its connotations with homosexuality, many men fail to have the checks they should.

Nope – I think we need to be open about our anus, and stop being so precious about it – if we want to save lives.
(However, as noted I agree with what you have said)
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June 19, 2013 8:46am
Pete George

re: “clerical assistant”

The key part of this story in relation to Labour might be that the clerical assistant’s previous employment is suppressed.
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June 19, 2013 8:56am
Harriet

It is bitterly ironic that child euthanasia is happening again seventy years later on the very same grounds in two countries that share a common border with Germany.

In this last week both Belgium and the Netherlands have taken major steps towards euthanasia for children.

These disturbing latest developments in the two countries which were the first to legalise euthanasia in Europe demonstrate graphically the incremental extension that takes place once the door is opened and the public conscience begins to change.

The acceptance of two key concepts is what makes this extension inevitable – first it is accepted that there is such a thing as a life not worth living and second that the active ending of a person’s life is justified in order to lessen the suffering of others.

It was these two principles that were used to justify the killing an infant with limb abnormalities and congenital blindness (named Knauer) with parental consent by Dr Karl Brandt in neighbouring Germany in 1939.

This ‘test-case’ paved the way for the registration of all children under three years of age with ‘serious hereditary diseases’. This information was then used by a panel of ‘experts’, including three medical professors (who never saw the patients), to authorise death by injection or starvation of some 6,000 children by the end of the Second World War.

The euthanasia programme in Nazi Germany, later headed by the same Karl Brandt, did not begin in prison camps like Auschwitz and Treblinka. It began far more subtly with doctors in hospitals and its very first victims were children who were killed on supposedly compassionate grounds.

Maryanne Street is just using ‘dying old people who have already had a life’ to open the door to euthanasia – knowing full well that everyone else [who haven’t yet had full lifes] will be eligible too.

Who cares – no one want’s middle aged divorced women anyway. Useful for nothing. 😎
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June 19, 2013 8:56am
kowtow

It’s great that there are people like Geert Wilders around to fill in the details around such cases. I’ve read or seen reports from around the world about this case and this is the first one that specifies “Morroccan”.

The media now largely act as gatekeepers and controllers of the message rather than informers.

http://www.odt.co.nz/news/world/261460/football-teens-jailed-beating-linesman-death
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June 19, 2013 8:57am
iMP

DALZIEL has stalled in the first Christchurch THe Press mayoral poll outstripped by Bob Parker.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/dalziel-stalls-in-first-mayoral-poll/
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June 19, 2013 9:02am
dime

Did anyone hear Phil Twyford on ZB this morning with Joyce?

He started out ok. Then came a weird jab out of the blue to Joyce “youve never been elected to anything have you?”. Was aggressive and strange. I note the dipshit failed twice to win a seat and was in on the list and was then gifted te atatu…

Then he just showed the world how inept he is. Just spouting absolute garbage.

Joyce goes “just because you keep repeating one incorrect statistic does not make it so” heh

Anyway, King is a huge asset to labour on things like the 10 min breakfast slot! everyone else has been an epic failure.

Also, who teaches these labour assholes how to speak? twyford sounds exactly like adern when giving a platform. its creepy and condescending. although, i guess labour voters are used to being spoken down to by their “betters”.
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June 19, 2013 9:12am
WineOh

Greens now dump their ‘money printing’ policy.
Norman now says : ‘‘Obviously it wasn’t as big a deal for us as it was John Key.’’

Wait… how many times did he parrot the line on nation wide media channels that this was the only way to fix NZ economic woes?
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June 19, 2013 9:14am
dime

Dimes best buddy is looking at buying another house in sydney. Looking at all options from 600k – 1.2 mill.

Anyway, she showed me some figures from her bank.

House 650,000
Stamp Duty 26,000 (approx)
Mortgage Insurance – 30,000!!!!! (under 20% equity)
Legals – 3,000
5% deposit – $32,500

basically it was 90 grand to get a 5% deposit on a 650k house. That is just insane.

I did a quick google and found mortgage insurance for $22,000. Seriously, holy shit. I think mine was 2 grand (10 years ago)
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June 19, 2013 9:19am
WineOh

@ Harriet ““The anus is an exit, not an entrance. This is not the Bible; this is science. Unlike the vagina, nature put a tight sphincter at the entrance of the anus. It’s there for a reason: keep out!”
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Also ironic then that nature decided to give men extreme pleasure from stimulation of the prostate through anal intercourse.

From wiki: “The prostate is sometimes referred to as the “male G-spot”. Some men are able to achieve orgasm solely through stimulation of the prostate gland, such as prostate massage or receptive anal intercourse. Men who report the sensation of prostate stimulation often give descriptions similar to females’ accounts of G-spot stimulation.”
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June 19, 2013 9:26am
dime

umm did i hear that Whore Dunne on the radio this morning bitching about money?

I know ive been overseas and out of the loop but seriously, the first thing i hear from this guy since he fucked up royally is a complaint about money.
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June 19, 2013 9:31am
niggly

@WineOh Heh, so some men taking it up the arse can also squirt it out too? Gives new meaning to the phrase oh baby lets’s cum together I suppose!
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June 19, 2013 9:31am
ignant_immigant

The History of political correctness. Was a big eye opener for me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjaBpVzOohs
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June 19, 2013 9:35am
Lance

@WineOh
So then why is the depositing of semen in the anus detrimental to health, if it is Biological?
The anus needs a relatively high acid level to manage infection, yet semen will neutralize. Sure a condom will protect against that but hardly supports the Biological argument.
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June 19, 2013 9:35am
Judith

Harriet (1,953) Says:
June 19th, 2013 at 8:56 am
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The arguments for euthanasia in today’s society are the same regardless of age, and to do with the negative quality of life.

The examples you give are extreme and scaremongering,whilst of course there has been such examples throughout history, in many societies, they have very little relevance to the post-modern argument to make euthanasia legal in some circumstances.

I totally believe that if a person makes a living will, when they are mentally competent, in which they request to be allowed/assisted to die should they deteriorate to a certain level, then that is their choice to make. I have seen too many people go through disgusting painful deaths to argue there is no need for euthanasia.

People are taken to court and convicted for leaving animals in pain, that we seem to think is acceptable for some humans.
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June 19, 2013 9:38am
WineOh

@ Lance, no idea. I wasn’t really making an argument about biological design affirming acceptability of anal sex, just debunking Harriets argument that the sphincter proved the opposite. And I can’t confirm or deny from personal experience either, and nor can my wife.
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June 19, 2013 9:39am
Griff

Report Shows That Comprehensive Sexuality Education Holds the Most Promise for Preventing Teen Pregnancies, Sexually Transmitted Infections
http://www.siecus.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=Feature.showFeature&featureID=1151

Abstinence-Only-Until Marriage-Programs:
· No strong evidence exists that abstinence-only-until-marriage programs delay the initiation of sex, hasten the return to abstinence, or reduce the number of sexual partners.
· Strong evidence exists that abstinence-only-until-marriage programs have no effect on sexual behavior.
Comprehensive Programs:
· Two-thirds of comprehensive programs had positive sexual behavioral effects.
· 40% of comprehensive programs delayed the initiation of sex, reduced the number of partners, and increased condom or contraceptive use.
· Nearly 30% of comprehensive programs reduced the frequency of sex.
· More than 60% reduced incidence of unprotected sex.
· 40% of the programs had a positive effect on more than one sexual behavior.
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June 19, 2013 9:48am
Weihana

Decoupling productivity and employment and hollowing-out middle-income employment.

http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/destroying.jobs_.chart1x910_0.jpg

http://www.technologyreview.com/sites/default/files/images/destroying.jobs_.chart2x910.jpg

http://www.technologyreview.com/featuredstory/515926/how-technology-is-destroying-jobs/
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June 19, 2013 9:53am
nasska

But the Godaddled know better Griff: 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/k74o6a0my3oxzgo/abstinence.gif
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June 19, 2013 9:53am
hj

@ Keeping Stock

“The Chinese are buying our houses; oh, wait…
Another of Winston Peters’ dreadful anti-Chinese memes has been exposed as false; the Herald reports:

Australians are contributing to New Zealand’s skyrocketing house prices, with new research showing they bought more property than any other overseas group.
The figures have prompted calls to ban purchases by foreigners or impose a tax on top of the sale price.
BNZ chief economist Tony Alexander has found Australians are the biggest single group of overseas buyers with 22 per cent of all property purchases by foreigners. Chinese are second at 20 per cent and British at 13 per cent.”
………………………

For one thing NZ and Australia had a cosy relationship where kiwis could head across the Tasman when we had a downturn and come back when things inmproved (like a safety valve). Now the Aussies see us as a source of back door immigration. We couldn’t have effected that same relationship with a large developing Asian Country.

For another these aren’t just any Australians they are National’s favourite children Propertyinvestor socialpredatius.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/4622459/Government-policies-blamed-for-house-prices

PM says ‘no’

Prime Minister John Key reiterated later a land tax and broader capital gains tax were still off the cards. Asked whether the implementation of one or the other could allow government to reduce income taxes to give people more income to spend, he replied:

“At the risk of repeating myself from last year, we looked at a land tax, and land taxes, one, reduce the value of land in New Zealand, by definition, and it has an impact on every single homeowner in New Zealand.”

http://www.interest.co.nz/news/52737/imf-recommends-govt-broaden-capital-gains-tax-base-and-introduce-land-tax-your-view
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June 19, 2013 9:55am
Harriet

WineOH#

“…From wiki: “The prostate is sometimes referred to as the “male G-spot”. Some men are able to achieve orgasm solely through stimulation of the prostate gland, such as prostate massage or receptive anal intercourse. Men who report the sensation of prostate stimulation often give descriptions similar to females’ accounts of G-spot stimulation……”

There was an Italian Gay who lived in the UK in the early 80’s and went on to become a serial killer.

But before he started killing people, he was involved in a Sadomachist outfit, and their specialty:

Cutting open the scrotums of eachother so they could then massage each others ‘balls’.

He was a former Italian special forces soldier btw.

That too might be ‘pleasurable’ but the body is hardly designed to do that either.

Someone can look it up.

Saying what the body is DESIGNED to do is NOT being homophobic!

That is what I pointed out about the idiot from the Aids Foundation! 😎
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June 19, 2013 10:01am
dime

Could this labour MP running for the chch mayoralty be any more full of shit?

“i havent done anyone polling myself” “people i didnt know were coming up to me in the supermarket yesterday and telling me i had their support”. cringe.

“im not going to start out my campaign telling you what i dont like” haha one way to dodge a question.

“i will leave my seat before the votes are counted”… unless of course shes polling badly. then no doubt she will reluctantly stay on “the people have demanded i stay” type shit.
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June 19, 2013 10:01am
Scott Chris

Peter Dunne again denied…

What’s Dunne hiding that is more important to him than losing his political career?

Just put two and two together Pete.
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June 19, 2013 10:03am
nasska

Harriet

To spend your time researching that shit proves that you’re sicker than the people you despise.
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June 19, 2013 10:04am
Tom Jackson

That too might be ‘pleasurable’ but the body is hardly designed to do that either.

The body isn’t “designed” for anything.

Evolution is a fact. Get over it you mediaeval nincompoops.

Fun fact: more heteros than homos butt fuck.
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June 19, 2013 10:12am
Right of way is Way of Right

From this mornings NZ Herald.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10891477

Calls of “shame” greeted Housing Minister Nick Smith when he arrived in Glen Innes to launch a redevelopment plan for the Tamaki area.

“Shame on you. We are a community, not a company,” shouted about 10 state house tenants as dignitaries filed into the launch at the Ruapotaka Marae yesterday.

Aroha Robson, 58, whose family have lived in the same state house in Taniwha St for 63 years, smoked as she held up a placard showing a photo of herself outside her house.

Excuse me, a 58 year old woman in a state house for all of her life, and now she is upset because the state no longers feels the need to support her mediocrity? Saints and Angels of Heaven preserve us! I thought State Houses were supposed to be a stop-gap, not a lifestyle choice, but then you could also say the same for benefit payments! It’s ok though, because she will be eligible for the pension in 7 years!
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June 19, 2013 10:25am
skyblue

Breaking News: Greens dropping money printing plan. Wow.

http://www.interest.co.nz/bonds/64996/greens-co-leader-russel-norman-set-announce-greens-dropping-plan-rbnz-money-printing-buy
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June 19, 2013 10:28am
kowtow

No wonder education costs so much these days when unis have Prof ‘s who “specialise in gender equality.”

I’d ban her from any airline I owned.

Flying ban discrimination.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10891285
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June 19, 2013 10:31am
ignant_immigant

Right of way is Way of Right

I read that article too. So absurd I did not know if I should laugh and cry.

Can someone from the left explain to me why in NZ this kind of situation is possible and why Aroha Robson and other tenanats feel that their position is morally correct?
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June 19, 2013 10:31am
hmmokrightitis

dime, amazes me as well, re Dalzeil. Why cant a person, paid by the taxpayer, see that we look at them in askance when they do this. You can guarantee she will be spending less time working in parliament in her current role as she tries to win her next, and yet will happily continue to draw her salary.

Why not commit – Im going to stand down, because its the right and honourable thing to do.
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June 19, 2013 10:33am
Griff

Because its the honourable right thing to do?
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June 19, 2013 10:36am
graham

Right of way is Way of Right:

You’ll also notice from the photo a single-storey house sitting on what appears to be a fairly sizeable section. Now it may have escaped these people’s attention, but Auckland has been talking for years about where and how to house people. Surely it is Housing NZ’s duty to use the assets at their disposal as efficiently as they can, and as the proposals will increase the number of homes in the area from 5,000 to 11,000 that sounds like a good start. In fact I’d probably be questioning if there is any way they can get to more than 11,000 homes. What’s wrong with 3-storey apartment buildings in this area?
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June 19, 2013 10:39am
Fletch

No surprises there then –

It looks like that paper saying that there is a 97% scientific consensus on human caused global warming is rubbish.

The question asked was misleading, and papers that the authors cited to show their view actually do not: the authors of some of the papers in question were asked directly if they supported the AGW view and they certainly did not.

Global warming alarmists have been caught doctoring the results of a widely cited paper asserting there is a 97 percent scientific consensus regarding human-caused global warming. After taking a closer look at the paper, investigative journalists report the authors’ claims of a 97 percent consensus relied on them misclassifying the papers of some of the world’s most prominent global warming skeptics. At the same time, the authors deliberately presented a meaningless survey question that allowed them to twist the responses to fit their own preconceived global warming alarmism.

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/06/18/climate-alarmists-caught-doctoring-97-percent-consensus-claims/

More lying by the climate alarmists. Am I surprised? No, I am not. The next time someone tells you that there is a 97% consensus among scientists, you can tell them it is a lie.
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June 19, 2013 10:43am
Harriet

“….The body isn’t “designed” for anything.

Evolution is a fact. Get over it you mediaeval nincompoops….”

OK then.

The arsehole hasn’t evolved into anything more than an arsehole.

And never will.
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June 19, 2013 10:46am
david

hmmok…. 10:33

Because if she resigned now a by-election could be scheduled and a date fixed. By holding off, the date of a by-election can’t be set until her resignation is received by the Speaker so there is no issue with mixing up the local body and by-election campaigns. This gives Labour 2 bites at campaigning at our expense. There will be a hell of a lot of Parliamentary Business being conducted in Christchurch during the course of the 2 campaigns as they pull out all the stops to prevent Dalzeil’s seat going Blue.
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June 19, 2013 10:48am
Pete George

@ Scott Chris

What’s Dunne hiding that is more important to him than losing his political career?

If he admitted leaking the report he wouldn’t lose his political career. It’s widely presumed he did leak it (based on poor evidence) and it’s accepted that he can stay in Parliament.

He would gain (praise for disclosing illegal spying) at least as much as he lost by admitting it.
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June 19, 2013 10:58am
Griff

Yes a peer reviewed study taken to pieces by the 3% it separates out as nutters.
Just reading your link showed up the lies and bullshit promulgated by such idiots.

IPCC http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/syr/en/spms2.html
AR4

Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic GHG concentrations.[7] It is likely that there has been significant anthropogenic warming over the past 50 years averaged over each continent (except Antarctica) (Figure SPM.4). {2.4}

Nicola Scafetta
On the contents of IPCC AR4

Cook et al. (2013) is based on a straw man argument because it does not correctly define the IPCC AGW theory, which is NOT that human emissions have contributed 50%+ of the global warming since 1900 but that almost 90-100% of the observed global warming was induced by human emission,” Scafetta responded. .

Just for example.

Its the same lame story :peer reviewed research that does not suit the agenda of the anti science loonys is supposedly refuted on Blogs that are obviously spreading political spin not science.
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June 19, 2013 11:03am
Griff

Internet troll’s sentencing adjourned
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10891562
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June 19, 2013 11:16am
RightNow

Let me get this straight griff, your contention is that anthropogenic GHG emissions are responsible for less than 90% of the observed warming since the mid 20th century, and could be responsible as low as 50% of it.
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June 19, 2013 11:20am
Right of way is Way of Right

Harriet at 1046.

I think you may be incorrect. Not only has the asshole evolved, I beleive it may, even now, be leading New Zealand First!
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June 19, 2013 11:28am
Don the Kiwi

Griff.

I notice that global warming has caused flooding in the South Island, and is now the cause of the worst snow storms in a decade.

Yeah……..real serious shit, that global warming 😆
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June 19, 2013 11:33am
ignant_immigant

Don’t call it Global Warming, thats not politically correct anymore – it’s Climate Change now you facist!
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June 19, 2013 11:49am
Lance

@Don the Kiwi
Don’t stray into the ignoramuses pit, please.
It just starts the same old climate vs weather debate (shit) that is YEARS old.
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June 19, 2013 11:49am
Griff

Well done don the christstain.
Shall we go look at the effect of Climate change predicted by ar4 and see what it says about moisture falling from the sky.
Quelle surprise!
It says that both increases in drought and a increase in heavy rain events.
drought from changing weather patterns and heavy rain because the warm air holds more moisture
snow is……..frozen rain.
There is a pattern of heavy rain falls and drought experienced world wide in the last five years.
just a few:New Zealand England Australia Germany USA have are all Had/having extreme weather events .

I have been keeping an eye on this little weather monster for a few days.
Its coming from the fridge and the line of lows is going to pull cold air from 75sth.
freeze the pipes shite down south.
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June 19, 2013 11:50am
Redbaiter

Hey Fletch- I see Glen Beck’s earth shattering expose was another damp squib. Don’t even know what the issue is other than perhaps some vague reference to supreme Roberts being blackmailed into supporting Obamacare. All just rumour and supposition.

Don’t like Beck. Don’t like Rand Paul much either. See they’re both trying to make political capital from being aligned with the Tea Party.

Rand Paul voted FOR Chuck Hagel and Beck has always sneered at the issue of Obama’s constitutional eligibility. Fuck ’em both I say.

They don’t get the Tea Party.
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June 19, 2013 11:50am
Redbaiter

“Internet troll’s sentencing adjourned”

This guy did nothing but lightly slap a commie reporter who was stuffing a microphone under his nose and pushing him.

The assault charge is an abuse of process by a cretinous sensationalist TV show that should have died a decade ago.

Actually, if you look at the video you’ll see the reporter run like a scared rabbit from a hit that wouldn’t have made a baby cry. Just another commie yellow back as so many so called “reporters” are.
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June 19, 2013 11:55am
Griff

Wrong often Again

are you taking lessons from kea?
Ar4 talks about the Warming since 1950 not 1900
it is well known that there was increasing sun activity until the seventy’s.
Nicola Scafetta has misrepresented the position of ar4.

Overwhelming scientific evidence vrs a few nutters with whack job theory’s all of whom contradict each other any way.
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June 19, 2013 11:58am
RightNow

Let’s look at that using graphs shall we griff?
Overwhelming scientific evidence
http://notrickszone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Salby-realworld-vs-model-world.png

vrs a few nutters with whack job theory’s all of whom contradict each other any way.
http://www.drroyspencer.com/wp-content/uploads/CMIP5-73-models-vs-obs-20N-20S-MT.png
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June 19, 2013 12:11pm
Fletch

RB, yeh I didn’t see what became of his last announcement to be honest.
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June 19, 2013 12:16pm
Griff

Lets see mr Spencer
Who is on public record as saying that human caused global warming is imposable because GOD told him so.
http://www.cornwallalliance.org/articles/read/an-evangelical-declaration-on-global-warming/
So dr Roy Spencer is a religious person whose faith prevents him from undertaking unbiased scientific research .

No tricks zone for science
you are joking right now un labeled un linked graph from thisblog site. 😆

Reality is right now you have already made your position clear
Luke warmer when pressed because you can not refute the science. Yet you link to people who you know are whack jobs 😆 nutter
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June 19, 2013 12:23pm
Fletch

Beck is right, however, in showing just what sort of people these Syrian rebels are who Obama is going to send weapons to.
The video is of a commander of the Syrian rebels cutting the chest open of a Govt soldier and eating his heart. This is what the Russian president made reference to in a speech the other day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfHSPLW63Gg

These people are the rebels who Obama is going to support with weapons.
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June 19, 2013 12:26pm
RightNow

wow griff, your power of self-parody grows exponentially.
You choose not to refute a single thing, instead claiming it’s invalid because of who presented the information.
And then you say I’m the one who cannot refute the science?
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June 19, 2013 12:28pm
Redbaiter

“Beck is right, however, in showing just what sort of people these Syrian rebels are who Obama is going to send weapons to.”

Yeah, Beck is indeed right on many things. I just feel that at heart he is a con man exploiting politics for personal gain.

I could be wrong, but I feel this way about a lot of self professed “Conservatives” in the media. If they feel so strongly on these issues, why are they not in politics? Because of the money?

I’m too cynical maybe. 🙂
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June 19, 2013 12:36pm
nickb

If he admitted leaking the report he wouldn’t lose his political career. It’s widely presumed he did leak it (based on poor evidence)

Based on poor evidence? Actually the evidence was not poor, rather all the relevant evidence was never able to be considered, because DUNNE OBSTRUCTED AN INVESTIGATION INTO THE FUCKING LEAK TO THE POINT THAT FINDINGS WERE UNABLE TO BE MADE.

and it’s accepted that he can stay in Parliament.

By who exactly? By himself, you, and the 2 other UF members? Clearly his position is so untenable he should resign. He has lost the trust of the Key Government and the country. Now he has the cheek to vote against new employment laws in what is clearly a cynical move to win back some popular support.

He would gain (praise for disclosing illegal spying) at least as much as he lost by admitting it.

Why, when the report was only days away from coming out anyway? And given Dunne initially supported the Electoral Finance Act, it would be facetious in the extreme to try and paint him as a protector of civil liberties. He is just a big government born to rule bozo like everyone else in the House.
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June 19, 2013 12:40pm
Griff

Right now

Nicola Scafetta is misrepresenting the ar4 yes/ no?

Roy Spencer has signed this.

WHAT WE BELIEVE

We believe Earth and its ecosystems—created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence —are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth’s climate system is no exception. Recent global warming is one of many natural cycles of warming and cooling in geologic history.

If this is His stated position should we except him as an unbiased source for climate science?
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June 19, 2013 12:45pm
Redbaiter

“He is just a big government born to rule bozo like everyone else in the House.”

Right except perhaps for being too kind to Dunne.

Whereas hardly any of our politicians stand for anything real anymore Dunne (ex Labour Party) has used his moral and ideological flexibility to one purpose and that is to maintain his position at the trough. He is a cynical selfish creep who epitomizes the dereliction of politically ideology in this country to a greater extent than most.
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June 19, 2013 12:46pm
RightNow

griff, let’s see…

gistemp Land Ocean Temp index shows a cooling trend over the last decade yes/no?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/gistemp/from:2003/plot/gistemp/from:2003/trend

Atmospheric CO2 concentration shows steady increase over the last decade yes/no?
http://www.woodfortrees.org/plot/esrl-co2/from:2003

There – we can now debate the facts without your ad hominems.
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June 19, 2013 12:55pm
Pete George

Actually the evidence was not poor, rather all the relevant evidence was never able to be considered because etc

I presume you have no idea of knowing that, so you must be guessing. Not confessing and not handing over all private communications is not proof of guilt.

Clearly his position is so untenable he should resign. He has lost the trust of the Key Government and the country.

No and no.

Very few people are saying he should resign, apart from Winston Peters and Trevor Mallard (and by association David Shearer). DPF has supported him remaining, as has Russel Norman and many journalists and commentators. I hardly see anyone saying he should resign.

He has not lost the trust of Key, Key has said he is happy for him to remain an MP, and National MPs in Parliament have supported him remaining.

The level of support for Dunne remaining surprised my but it’s a fact, it is widely accepted.
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June 19, 2013 12:55pm
Griff

Actually I dont want to play fuckwit change the subject today so no answer my questions first.

If Roy Spencer says its imposable to change the work of god is he a good source for information about AGW? or is he a good source for his views on gods work?
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June 19, 2013 12:58pm
kowtow

ignant immigant@935

Good post. Cultural Marxism runs very deep. Lots of it on this blog.
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June 19, 2013 12:59pm
RightNow

“Actually I dont want to play fuckwit change the subject today”

Well let me know when you’re ready, I’ll be waiting.
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June 19, 2013 1:02pm
Redbaiter

Redbaiter says Dunne should resign.

On the basis if his refusal to be frank about what he has actually done.

Nobody except Dunne knows even why he resigned as a Minister yet.

His waffling on the issue is just the usual smoke screening bullshit that has typified Dunne’s extended period at the public trough.
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June 19, 2013 1:04pm
Redbaiter

“Cultural Marxism runs very deep. Lots of it on this blog.”

I see some of its main exponents are missing today. Quite refreshing.
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June 19, 2013 1:06pm
Griff

right now will not answer the simple question about dr Roy “god says” Spencer phd.
because he knows I am 100% right about Mr Spencer’s faith getting in the way of Mr Spencer’s science.

So he changes the subject to post more distracting nonsense.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/Escalator_2012_500.gif
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June 19, 2013 1:09pm
graham

Of course National wants Dunne to remain as a minister, they’re counting on his vote!!!
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June 19, 2013 1:09pm
dime

“Redbaiter says Dunne should resign.”

Dime says its weird when anybody but him speaks in the 3rd..
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June 19, 2013 1:13pm
publicwatchdog

Hi Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?

“Is the science on fluoridation really settled?”

(Note where this article has been published………….. )

http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/un-doctored/2013/june-2013/18/is-the-science-on-fluoridation-really-settled.aspx

Kind regards,

Her Warship 🙂
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June 19, 2013 1:14pm
dime

PG – the guy is a shit head. If he cant be trusted as a minister, he cant be trusted as an MP.

Im scared to think what sweet ass job he will get after his 30 years of whoring.

Also, whats with the bow ties?
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June 19, 2013 1:15pm
cha

The History of political correctness. Was a big eye opener for me.

It was the Juice.

Uploaded on Mar 30, 2011
The origins of “political correctness” or “cultural Marxism” can be found in the early parts of the 20th century from the Frankfurt School, which was the headquarters for the Communists scheming in Germany. Max Horkheimer, T.W. Adorno, Herbert Marcuse, Leo Lowenthal, and Erich Fromm were all there.

“The role of the Frankfurt School is creating the victim groups that constitutes the politically correct coalition.”

Made by the Free Congress Foundation and narrated by William Lind.

Who Stole Our Culture?
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55833

Erich Fromm, Judaism, and the Frankfurt School
http://72.52.208.92/~gbpprorg/obama/erichfrommjudaism.html

The Frankfurt School of Social Research – Review by Jett and Jahn
http://www.jettandjahn.com/2010/10/frankfurt-school-of-social-research

How a Handfull of Marxist Jews Turned Western and U.S. Culture Upside Down
http://www.davidduke.com/general/how-a-handfull-of-marxist-jews-turned-western-and-us-culture-upside-down_3519.html/

The Frankfurt School: Conspiracy to Corrupt
http://incogman.net/05/2009/the-frankfurt-school-conspiracy-to-corrupt
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June 19, 2013 1:22pm
Pete George

dime – I don’t know what’s with the bow ties. Certainly not something I like.

Maybe it’s just boredom from wearing the same traditional old suit and tie combo for so long. At one stage when I was expected to wear a tie I bought some outlandish designs and colours and clashed with my shirst as much as I could. I still have some of those ties, from twenty years ago.

There’s a few things I don’t like about Parliament, the strict male dress code for one (sexism). And the prayer at the beginning of the day is a bit hard to take as well. And swearing to queen stuff goes against the grain.
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June 19, 2013 1:23pm
dime

“the strict male dress code for one (sexism).”

in another life when Dime flicked cars for a living, wearing a tie was just hell.

40 degrees, black asphalt.. the girls in casual summer attire. used to piss me off.

Dime is all about casual. Hell, its a miracle i wear pants to work nowadays
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June 19, 2013 1:56pm
thedavincimode

I still have some of those ties, from twenty years ago.

I thought you gave those to the ginga whinga to go with the suits he imports from North Korea.
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June 19, 2013 2:00pm
kowtow

dime’s true identity revealed aka Swiss Tony:)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_E0ZF2uIKs
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June 19, 2013 2:00pm
thedavincimode

Could those of you who insist on quoting harriet and reiterating his well established preoccupation with anal sex reflect on the fact that in doing so, you are complicating things for those of us who prefer to simply ignore his posts entirely. Alternatively, how about putting a warning at the start of your post: Warning: Harriet bum sex fetish-related material, scroll down to next post.
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June 19, 2013 2:12pm
Redbaiter

“you are complicating things for those of us who prefer to simply ignore his posts entirely”

Especially complicating for those commenters who prefer anal sex.

Keep up the good work Harry.
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June 19, 2013 2:18pm
dime

Something like that.

Everyone wants to buy a quality vehicle from “Honest Dimes world of Cars”
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June 19, 2013 2:50pm
Dennis Horne

publicwatchdog (1,400) Says: June 19th, 2013 at 1:14 pm. “Is the science on fluoridation really settled?” (Note where this article has been published………….. ) Kind regards, Her Warship
http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/un-doctored/2013/june-2013/18/is-the-science-on-fluoridation-really-settled.aspx

It’s a media release from Queenslanders for Safe Water Air and Food Inc. reprinted in a NZ magazine produced by laymen. Frigate.

John Colquhoun was one of three Principal Dental Officers in Auckland and he wasn’t employed to promote fluoridation around NZ, he was employed to oversee the school dental nurses and administer the dental benefit scheme for secondary school children. When he lost his job he turned against the Department of Health.

Professor Sir Peter Gluckman FRS has put his reputation on the line for fluoridation. He says it safe and effective.
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June 19, 2013 2:57pm
bhudson

There’s a few things I don’t like about Parliament, the strict male dress code for one (sexism).

I think we have every right to expect our elected representatives to dress professionally in parliament. What is more, I think they should extend the rule on suit & tie to encompass Select Committee hearings as well. Our representatives should show respect to submitters by dressing appropriately.

The current dress code is not sexist – while it might stipulate suit & tie for men, it similarly requires women to wear suitable business dress.
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June 19, 2013 3:01pm
Pete George

Wearing a suit and tie does little to disguise the lack of professionalism and lack of respect shown by too many MPs in Parliament.

If it acts like a schmuck, it’s probably a schmuck.

Parliament is supposed to be representative of the people of the country. Enforced conformity does not reflect diversity.
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June 19, 2013 3:09pm
bhudson

^^ I don’t believe anyone is demanding they wear the same suit and tie.

Could be interesting with a chamber full of Tony Ryall dress alikes.

If you saw Grant Robertson on The Nation two weeks ago I think you would grasp immediately why ties should be mandated in more situations for them. I’ve seen beggars look more professional than that.
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June 19, 2013 3:22pm
Redbaiter

Anyone interested in the truth about Carbon Dioxide should watch this video. I try to stay out of the debate as the warmists have lost. It is over. But this is still an excellent video. Succinct and accurate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BC1l4geSTP8
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June 19, 2013 3:32pm
Pete George

Yeah, I’m sure a tie would have transformed Robertson into looking like a leader of the opposition in waiting.
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June 19, 2013 3:34pm
RightNow

Griff (5,113) Says:
June 19th, 2013 at 1:09 pm

right now will not answer the simple question about dr Roy “god says” Spencer phd.
because he knows I am 100% right about Mr Spencer’s faith getting in the way of Mr Spencer’s science.

Because it is has no bearing on a graph showing 73 CMIP5 models against observed temperatures. Are you claiming God or Dr Spencer have in some way doctored the results? Why won’t you just address the data and ignore the presenter? What are you afraid of?

So he changes the subject to post more distracting nonsense.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/graphics/Escalator_2012_500.gif

Ooh look, a pretty gif showing a rise of 0.65 deg C over 53 years, about 1.2 deg C per century. How alarming.
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June 19, 2013 4:36pm
Ross12

Question for Pete George

Given the Commission’s ruling this afternoon re United Future will they have to change their name to be registered again?
( The Commission saying the Act only allows for registration and cancellation of a party)
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June 19, 2013 5:20pm
iMP

The DUNNEites fail to re-register, again! http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/06/19/united-future-fails-to-reregister/
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June 19, 2013 5:43pm
Pete George

Good question Ross. The party just seems to be required to re-register membership, not the name which must be a separate requirement.

Dunne was just asked about changing the name:

Laura McQuillan ‏@mcquillanatorz

@PeterDunneMP Now’s your chance to choose an awesome name, like Peter Dunne’s Purple Party of Doom. ‏

But…

@PeterDunneMP

@mcquillanatorz no, changing the name and/or the logo is apparently an even longer and more complicated process for the Electoral Commission

I looked at logo requirements a couple of years ago, you needed to be an IT graphics expert.

It’s worth noting that the requirements for signed paper membership with no electronic membership allowed was only put in place in 2011.
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June 19, 2013 5:55pm
Griff

1.2 deg C per century
Well done right now
the co2 pre industry 280.
co2 now 400.
130 years for 120 ppm = 1.2 degrees/century
co2 in less than twenty years at present global growth in use 560. doubled pre industry
20 years 140ppm
Then what?
=2.0+ degrees without feed backs.
This is using your figures.

Two degrees is the internationally agreed safe limit of warming.
Do we totally stop burning carbon in 2020?
or will we prefer to have capacity to safely emit for longer?
I would prefer reduction now and a longer period to solve the technical issues of a carbon free civilization in a warming world.

As to it has Not warmed since… 😆
We are talking about climate not weather. You have seen the going down the up escalator thousands of times

Climate change is not just the global temperature anomaly.
It is the threat of significant changes in weather patterns that have the potential to cause the most damage.
How warm does it need to get before we no longer get ex tropical cyclones in nz?
How many years of drought can the usa farmers survive?Will the bad start to the usa fire season continue ?
Will Aussie have a summer like last year?
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June 19, 2013 5:58pm
Pete George

I need to look at the details, but the Electoral Commission requirements seem odd (and unclear). They say membership must be signed on paper but can be submitted electronically.

I know someone who became a member online. Then they were sent an email to print, sign and post. Then the party can scan that and submit it? Seems a bit convoluted.
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June 19, 2013 6:01pm
bhudson

Yeah, I’m sure a tie would have transformed Robertson into looking like a leader of the opposition in waiting.

It certainly would have been a handy disguise for him – might have made him look vaguely credible.
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June 19, 2013 6:27pm
Reid

Isn’t it great to see Key getting into Liarbore the same way Liarbore always gets into us, by pretending he thinks Dalziel is standing in ChCh because she thinks Liarbore is led by a loser and it’s going to tank in the next election so she’s escaping the party. About time we started doing stuff like that.

I wonder how long it will be before the useless journos stop just reporting it deadpan as the idiots wake up and realise that someone other than their beloved home team is also using lies and propaganda, just like their home team does all the time. I wonder what the fuck they’re going to do then. Imagine the newsrooms. But what ARE we going to report on, in the politics section, if both sides are doing it now? Oh the humanity!
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June 19, 2013 6:37pm
Reid

the Electoral Commission requirements seem odd (and unclear),

Personally I think its great since I have no time for Dunne notwithstanding he’s been an outstanding Revenue Minister. But, I wonder if the fact Henry used to be the Electoral Commissioner and might have had some influence on his replacement, has anything to do with the current stance, given that there’s probably also some political desire now that Dunne’s cast off, to get rid of the good ship UF and fly a new flag over Ohariu.

But it doesn’t happen like that, does it?

No Timmy, of course it doesn’t…
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June 19, 2013 6:41pm
bhudson

It’s always a conspiracy with you, isn’t it Reid?
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June 19, 2013 6:53pm
wat dabney

“Ooh look, a pretty gif showing a rise of 0.65 deg C over 53 years, about 1.2 deg C per century. How alarming.”

You’re overlooking the fact that this is a cherry-picked chart which starts at 1970 for a very simple reason: it allows them to present an utterly misleading and dishonest impression of recent temperature trends.
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June 19, 2013 6:58pm
nasska

You must know someone who deserves a subscription. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/wsk9teahk8nfmex/married_man.JPG
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June 19, 2013 7:07pm