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Griff

All_on_Red
Ask them wingnut I dont talk to inanimate objects or expect them to have views on god…….
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June 17, 2013 3:13pm
Lance

@Kea
Absolutely he struggled, this was pull the rug out from under you stuff. But his motivation was still started out to understand the ‘hand of of God’.
If he struggled with his faith as a result of his findings (and potential fallout) or it was as a result of the death of his daughter and the injustice that seemed to be, or both of those, is another matter that I guess we will never know.
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June 17, 2013 3:22pm
Kea

Lance, a number of scientists have religious beliefs. In times gone by the majority of science was done by religious accademics. It is not a problem if they can remain objective and let the evidence take them where it will. These sort of contradictions are part of being human. That is why I am actually very tolerant and respectful of religion… outside of online forums like this 😉
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June 17, 2013 3:28pm
Griff

Lance
The number of ex missioner names that haunt our botany is high for the same reason
http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/people/william-colenso
search for colensoi at http://nzflora.landcareresearch.co.nz/default.aspx?NavControl=search&selected=NameSearch
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June 17, 2013 3:30pm
publicwatchdog

Hi Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?
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Press Release: Sue Henry Housing Lobby Spokesperson:

“Eviction notices for elderly State tenants are effectively death sentences.”

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890782

“In response to this NZ Herald on Sunday article dated 16 June 2013, entitled “The $340-a-week houses with million-dollar views” – these State houses were constructed for 2000 pounds each, are freehold and have been paid for by State tenants many times over,” says Housing Lobby Spokesperson Sue Henry.

“The ironic contradiction here is that the day before this story went to print it was’World Elder Abuse Awareness Day’. ”

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/release/we-all-have-role-play-preventing-elder-abuse

Elder abuse and neglect needs to stop and it is up to all of us to work together to prevent it, says Senior Citizens Minister Jo Goodhew.

Saturday 15 June 2013 marks the eighth World Elder Abuse Awareness Day.

“World Elder Abuse Awareness Day is about acknowledging older people as integral to strong families, and affirming that there is no place for elder abuse,” says Mrs Goodhew.

“The prevention of elder abuse and neglect is one of my key priorities and something I personally feel very strongly about.”

Elder abuse can take many forms, and includes behaviours or lack of action which causes physical, psychological, sexual or financial harm or distress to an older person.

“Older people are entitled to make their own decisions, feel safe and live free of fear. They have the right to dignity and care in a supportive environment,” Mrs Goodhew says. ………..

____________________________________________________________________________________________________

“Elder abuse is also a criminal offence in this country,” continued Sue Henry.

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2011/0079/latest/DLM3650013.html

“It’s disgusting how this National/ACT Government has sanctioned greedy property developers to abuse the vulnerable, elderly folk who have worked hard, law-abiding lives, paid for and built for a significant amount of amenities in the Glen Innes area which the property developers are now endeavouring to ransack,”

“These elderly State tenants are not being given eviction notices – they’re being effectively given death sentences.”

“Is this the thanks that Returned Servicemen, and widows of those deceased, particularly those allocated permanent State homes in the Glen Innes area, are getting? ”

“The Housing Lobby are calling for, in the first instance, tenure protection to be reinstated forthwith .for these elderly State tenants.

We also want their exemption from intimidating, stressful reviews,” she concluded.

Sue Henry
Spokesperson
Housing Lobby
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Kind regards

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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June 17, 2013 3:46pm
dime

“A few people recently have been hinting at the actual identities of other commenters. Please desist from doing so. Also please desist from telling people to leave Kiwiblog – that’s my job only!”

Piss off. haha good point. i usually leave the “and die” off the end though!
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June 17, 2013 3:46pm
liarbors a joke

exactly…shafted again

http://1law4all.co.nz/2013/06/17/bogus-tuhoe-settlement/
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June 17, 2013 4:13pm
lilman

GRIFF I ask all my children,because thats what they are ,CHILDREN, How they will raise the child?
How they will pay for the doctors for the STD they will need to treat?
How they will continue to study whilst trying to feed and house teir new bundle of joy?
How the will afford to travel overseas and fund a family?
How their friends will still be around to mix with when they are living their lives without a underage partner or child?
Where they are going to live?
Whos giving up their sport and income to stay at home for the new born baby?

M
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June 17, 2013 4:41pm
lilman

these and other questions are just a few I ask.
But the main one I ask is who is going to tell all of the family of the shame of their actions to the wider family?
And it is shamefull.
Underage sex and Children trying to have kids is a disgrace on the whole family ans I point it out all the time from age 12 to the 20 year old just home from teachers college.
We as parents make it plainly obvious that it isnt acceptable to screw around at any age without knowing what they are up for?
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June 17, 2013 4:48pm
All_on_Red

Griff
The data doesn’t lie. There is so much you don’t understand. Sad really.
17 years 4 months- no statistically significant increase in temp.
As for “wingnuts”. Whats Peter Jacksons film company got to do with it? One ring to fiddle the data?
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June 17, 2013 4:52pm
Griff

Fiddle the data. 😆
Based on the say so of wingnut websites
Give me actual proof of fiddled data Not vague generalizations
No WUWT or BISHOP HILL dont cut it for science reference.
You are claiming global conspicy involving the educational institutes and governments of the world.

As to 17 years and 4 months = RSS
Would you like to tell us what RSS measures?

How about the “no significant” care to explain what that means and what statisticians would do about no significance in a short time period ?
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June 17, 2013 5:08pm
Akaroa

Illman at 4.47 expressed the view that parenthood by the young – by which i assume is meant teenaged – is bad.

He said, inter alia: “….. I ask all my children,because thats what they are ,CHILDREN, How they will raise the child?”

Well. Let me set out my child rearing philosophy for you, Illman.

I contend that one has two choices: a married couple can either have children early or later in their marriage.

The pros and cons are that a young parent, although probably broke, is better able to relate to a child growing up than an old parent.

When my son, born when I was 17, was growing up he went through stages that were still reasonably fresh in my own memory. Ergo we were closer than we would have been with a – say – thirty or thirty-five year difference in our ages.

OK, we were broke – but that fused the family closer together.

The other view is that family raising should be deferred until the parents are soundly established financially, for obvious reasons.

However, I favour the former pattern – and not just because that’s the way we did it. I have a better relationship with my son than if we’d been 30-35 years apart in age. Also, when he left home and married I was 40 years old and just coming into my maximum salary earning capacity and – with no children at home – had the freedom to make the most of that comparative affluence.

So – have your children whilst you’re young, and enjoy affluent independence when you later hit max earning capacity.
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June 17, 2013 5:40pm
Colville

Someone give me one good reason why anyone would vote for such a collection of ideological and intellectual derelicts.

Because the other bunch of fu*kwits will bankrupt us?
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June 17, 2013 5:41pm
Don the Kiwi

Hey Griff.

How are the grape vines going in the north of England that were planted there by the Romans in the second century that they made wine with?

Oh, bugger – they haven’t grown since around 700 AD because its too cold?

Oh shit – old people are dying of the cold in northern England because it has been unusually cold?

Ah well, That’s global Warming for yah!! Really can’t trust that shit. Just keeps makin’ things colder.
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June 17, 2013 5:48pm
Kea

Akaroa, I agree with your reasoning and can only add to it. Biologically it is better to have kids when your younger also. Of course I am assuming marriage and some means to support those kids, even within humble means.
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June 17, 2013 5:49pm
Johnboy

The worse part about having children early is you get to pay for the grandchildren too! 🙂
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June 17, 2013 5:53pm
lilman

Akoroa ,simply ,how do you?
If I were a multi millionare would my circumstances be different than they are now?,both personal and business wise?
I simply cant say either way,you cant either way,thats just being honest.
Why should I or any other person subsidise you lack of control,lack of education,lack of personal pride that saw you decide to be a parent early,if thats what you chose.
Did you ever consider that your choice was underwritten by the fact that you could fall back on the system to get you through.
But to say you know better what would have been just is not being honest,it maybe true,it may not be true but you can never say you know because you cant,its impossible.
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June 17, 2013 5:57pm
lilman

You want to pay for other peoples kids? fine,but dont ask me I have 4 of my own.
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June 17, 2013 5:59pm
SPC

Attention Kea.

China orders firms to cut pollution.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-22924231

Will the Chinese Communist Party become watermelons?
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June 17, 2013 6:01pm
SPC

Attention Kea.

Egypt has declared itself leader of the Great Alliance of Invading (Sunni only you Shia scum) Moslem Radicals and has

1. ended diplomatic relations with Syria
2. called for a no fly zone over Syria, so the Great Adversary of Moslems can collect the Shia scum and their leftist secular bedfellows into hell.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22927464
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June 17, 2013 6:10pm
Kea

SPC, as I have mentioned a number of times, China has real environmental problems with pollution and are looking at ways to reduce it. They are also concerned about their long term energy security and are exploring alternative energy for that reason.

One thing they are not concerned about is AGW, though they will fool silly laowai into thinking they are as they address the issues already mentioned.
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June 17, 2013 6:14pm
wat dabney

Poor Griff, he lies and lies and lies and then wonders why everyone ignores his sad attention-seeking.

Let’s make his day.

Oh no! What’s that you say Griff? The World has rapidly and relentlessly been getting hotter and hotter for the last 20 years and all the ice at the poles has melted!?

Polar bears are cute and cuddly but now they’re all extinct and it’s all our fault!?

And these incontrovertible facts – which haven’t been manipulated or corrupted in any way by self-interested rent-seekers no sirreee Bob – fit perfectly with the climate models which predicted them!?

But this is terrible!

Why thank you young Grifton for your honest presentation of these irrefutable scientific facts.

There.

No more tears.
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June 17, 2013 6:17pm
SPC

Kea, China has plenty of coal, they have taken the choice to

1. use less of it
2. adopt clean burning tech where coal is still used

Once China cleans up its air, then the global cooling effect of the smog will diminish and global warming will resume.
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June 17, 2013 6:21pm
Kea

SPC, yes Obama has been giving Jets to Egypt as he seeks to further destabilise the Middle East and compromise global security. The poor old radical Islamic Jihadists never know what they will get next from Obama. In Mali they get hundreds of drone attacks and in other places F-16’s weapons and aid. If this warmongering idiot does not bring us into a large global conflict I will be surprised. The best thing we could do to ensure peace is hand him over to the Taliban for trial.

Four more F-16 fighter jets left the U.S. on Thursday headed for Egypt as part of a foreign aid package that has generated controversy given the political upheaval in the Mideast country.
Critics say the military aid should stop because the president Egyptians elected last year has led the Muslim Brotherhood, called President Obama liar and urged that hatred of Jews be instilled in children.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/11/us-gives-4-more-f-16-fighter-jets-to-egyptian-government/#ixzz2WS49Xpns
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June 17, 2013 6:23pm
Longknives

Gone!

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8806303/The-Truth-newspaper-to-stop-publishing
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June 17, 2013 6:23pm
Griff

😆
Griff lies by repeating the official version
The views of the world bank the un the international monetary fund etc etc are reality.

Fuckin wingnuts 😆 Global conspiracy whackos
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June 17, 2013 6:27pm
Johnboy

Truth…..Beef Hooked would do it for me! 🙂
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June 17, 2013 6:28pm
SPC

They’ll try going on-line but will need on-line advertisers for old editions and paid subscriber access to a current edition.
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June 17, 2013 6:28pm
Longknives

For Fuck’s sake- The ‘Questions Unanswered’ caption leaves no doubt where the media are heading with this one..They simply will not rest until a Cop is jailed and the scumbag burglar/gunman is canonised as a bloody Saint…

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8803158/Family-of-shot-man-consult-a-lawyer
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June 17, 2013 6:29pm
Kea

Longknives, I liked this quote: “Slater, who also operates the controversial Right-wing blog, Whale Oil…”

And here was me thinking he was a “prog fuckwit of the fake right” 😉
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June 17, 2013 6:29pm
big bruv

You’re not really very bright are you Redbaiter.

“Fuck ‘em. This country needs a Tommy Robinson.”

We have a Tommy Robinson, in fact we have a few of them. Most are as uneducated and thick as Robinson, they go by the name of Iti, Harawira and Sykes to name but a few.
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June 17, 2013 6:31pm
Pauleastbay

Just seen the Drunken dwarf , Captain Mumblefuck and Red Russel standing beside each other on the news

. To say I’m not inspired with confidence seeing this inept ,massivelly overrated wee triumvirate is a bit of an understatement.
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June 17, 2013 6:36pm
Kea

SPC, looks like you may not have to wait long for that large scale global conflict I mentioned. Obama’s plan for war seems to be working.

Iran to ‘deploy 4,000-strong force’ to Syria as US military set to stay in Jordan

Iran will deploy 4,000 Revolutionary Guards to Syria to bolster Damascus against a mostly Sunni-led insurgency, media reported. Meanwhile, US F-16s and Patriots will stay in Jordan – speculatively, to help establish a no-fly zone to aid Syrian rebels.

http://rt.com/news/iran-troop-deployment-syria-782/

Putin warns Cameron against arming Syrian rebels as UK weighs options

http://rt.com/news/putin-cameron-syria-summit-786/

So far we have Syria, Iran and Russia squaring off against US interference and a nigger on the trigger. What could possibly go wrong…
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June 17, 2013 6:37pm
wat dabney

This is what runaway global warming looks like, apparently:

http://c3headlines.typepad.com/.a/6a010536b58035970c0191036b8bb2970c-pi
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June 17, 2013 6:40pm
SPC

Kea, its Lebanon and Iran that have boots on the ground – no other country does. And Russia supplies weapons to Syria’s regime.

You wanna know why – Iran wants a pipeline to the Mediterranean Sea. And others to supply the Asian market also.

Then it can close the Persian Gulf to Saudi oil and make a killing as oil prices rise. Of course nukes enable a country to get away with this.

Russia also benefits if Saudi oil supply is blocked as they too benefit from higher oil prices – in fact the mere possibility of blocked oil supply out of the Gulf enables them to get oil supply contracts and better prices

The US wants a pipeline to the Sea via Syria for northern Iraq/Kurdish are oil.

Now, why is Saudi Arabia opposed to a Shia axis with control of pipelines across Iraq into Syria and the Mediterranean Sea …?

Obama is not determining the US position, he is merely agent for the US/western interest here.
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June 17, 2013 6:51pm
Kea

wat you retard ! That chart is only based on empirical evidence. How are you going to measure AGW by taking measurements of the actual temperature over time ?

If you were a bit smarter you would sit in your office counting your grant money and generous salary, while making models of the climate. It is way too bloody cold out to be running around checking temperatures !
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June 17, 2013 6:52pm
Judith

Longknives (2,587) Says:
June 17th, 2013 at 6:23 pm
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Kea (5,258) Says:
June 17th, 2013 at 6:29 pm
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That’s so sad. I’m sure someone somewhere still bought the paper – if for no other reason than to line kitty’s litter box.

On the down side, I suppose we will be subjected to more online rants by the blubberous one. Long may he continue to corrupt the statistics by lowering the IQ median.
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June 17, 2013 6:53pm
Kea

SPC, I am shocked to hear all of that !

I thought Mr Obama was doing all this for women’s rights and democracy.
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June 17, 2013 6:55pm
Manolo

PEB, I saw a minute of the footage of the three clowns. Seriously, how ordinary, how dreadful, how miniscule these “leaders” look. God help our country if they ever get near political power.

Shearer’s eloquence is pathetic, Norman is incapable of speaking the truth, and Peters talks like after having had three double vodkas. A shocking performance.
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June 17, 2013 6:55pm
SPC

Kea, Syrian interference in Lebanon is legendary and the weapons flow to both from Iran preceded rebellion against the regime in Damascus – a rebellion that began after Assad ordered the shooting of unarmed demonstrators.

The current use of military force to crush opposition in Syria is not unique, there have been past occasions.
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June 17, 2013 6:58pm
Johnboy

“That’s so sad. I’m sure someone somewhere still bought the paper – if for no other reason than to line kitty’s litter box. ”

I thought you bought it, to wipe the arse’s of all the Nosties out there Judith! 🙂
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June 17, 2013 6:58pm
Griff

WUWT
wanking for watwat.
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June 17, 2013 7:01pm
Kea

SPC, I am aware Assad has much to answer for. That does not make the imported army of radical Islamists attacking the country a better choice. It is up to the Syrian people to demand change, not the USA and not imported Jihadists.

German Intelligence: 95 % Of Free Syrian Army Non-Syrian Extremist Groups

http://stratrisks.com/geostrat/13310
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June 17, 2013 7:02pm
Viking2

Keeping Stock (8,890) Says:
June 17th, 2013 at 8:07 am

Maybe Dame Susan Devoy is going to be OK as Race Relations Commissioner after all. It’s about time that someone in that role put Winston Peters on notice…

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/dame-susan-fires-shot.html

😆 😆 😆
KS, you having a wet dream. Peters will spit her out in little bits.
Unless of course her mentor Judith has a bit to say. But even then Winnie will win.
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June 17, 2013 7:02pm
Pauleastbay

Manolo
Show those three together every once and awhile on TV and National are assured for another three years with even less worries than they presently have
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June 17, 2013 7:07pm
Kea

Following on from the record breaking winter in the Northern Hemisphere, it looks like it is our turn now. Apparently the cold is coming up from the Antarctic, which informed readers will know is experiencing a huge surge in ice levels.

Blue Skies weather forecaster Tony Trewinnard said up to 20 centimetres of snow could fall to sea level in Canterbury on Thursday and Friday, with up to 40cm above 200 metres and up to 60cm above 400m.

He said this would be the biggest snowfall for the region in 20 years.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/8803839/Big-snow-set-to-follow-the-rain
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June 17, 2013 7:11pm
Bad__Cat

Redbaiter (3,476) Says:
June 17th, 2013 at 2:59
……Look at his comment count Kowtow.
And he’s only been here a short time.
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Brilliant logic. Not!
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June 17, 2013 7:12pm
nasska

“Tell me exactly what you’re going to do to me”, she whispered. “Be honest and graphic, it really turns me on…”

“errm, ok” he stammered, “I’m going to tear your clothes off, throw you on that bed…”

“Yes, yes!!” she gasped. “And then?”

“…then disappoint you like you’ve never been disappointed before.”
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June 17, 2013 8:04pm
Griff

Centralized planing

BEIJING — China is pushing ahead with a sweeping plan to move 250 million rural residents into newly constructed towns and cities over the next dozen years — a transformative event that could set off a new wave of growth or saddle the country with problems for generations to come.

Seems a recipe for total social breakdown to me.
The great leap backwards 2.0
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June 17, 2013 9:42pm
axeman

‘Fuckin wingnuts … Global conspiracy whackos’

This will throw our ALARMIST useful idiot nutjob into a real apoplectic tizz 😆

A long list of warmist scientists say global warming has stopped

http://notrickszone.com/2013/06/04/list-of-warmist-scientists-say-global-warming-has-stopped-ed-davey-is-clueless-about-whats-going-on/

And this from the Gwiffucknuckle’s two favourite skeptics 🙂

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/13/no-significant-warming-for-17-years-4-months/
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June 17, 2013 9:43pm
Griff

Actually no I dont get into a tiff I just call wackjobs by the correct term whacker man
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June 17, 2013 9:48pm
Dennis Horne

@Griff. Give me a brief summary about Arctic ice, with references, please.
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June 17, 2013 10:04pm
Griff

Best resort for actual climate science type information not that usually posted on here is .
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Arctic-sea-ice-melt-natural-or-man-made.htm
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Has-Arctic-sea-ice-recovered.htm
Climate scientists have linked the massive snowstorms and bitter spring weather now being experienced across Britain and large parts of Europe and North America to the dramatic loss of Arctic sea ice.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2013/mar/25/frozen-spring-arctic-sea-ice-loss

Picture says one thousand words here are two that tell the story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Uthq8v-Yzo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgiMBxaL19M
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June 17, 2013 10:39pm
Kea

Griffy you funny wee thing you. Comparing sea ice over such a short period of time is silly. It proves nothing, least of all AGW.

Good to see your sources have admitted the “massive snowstorms and bitter spring weather”, after having predicted snow would be a rare event by now.

Climate changes, no one seriously disputes that. Mans activities may effect climate, most people accept that as likely also. But the sorts of large scale changes predicted by people paid to promote AGW are disputed. There is no evidence that mans puny efforts now drive climate change ahead of massive natural forces. Simply blaming man for natural climate cycles is not evidence of anything. You could equally blame magic climate pixies and get the same results. Predicting natural cycles, and having those natural cycles occur, may lend weight to blaming man for the change. But they have not even got that right and the predictions have been hopelessly wrong.
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June 17, 2013 11:15pm
Manolo

Madness. The US loses the plot and opens the door to the eternal reelection of candidates from the Democratic Party.
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_SUPREME_COURT_VOTER_CITIZENSHIP_PROOF?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2013-06-17-11-01-58
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June 18, 2013 6:25am
Manolo

Another victim of colonialism and an oppressed upbringing: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10891126
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June 18, 2013 7:06am
Kea

Yeah he sounds like a real ladies man !

“Judge McGuire said Mead had sexual intercourse with the girl then violated her with his fist, saying “this is how we do it Mongrel styles”. He then stole her bag and fled, leaving the girl injured and bleeding profusely”
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