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Redbaiter

When women start doing what men have traditionally done, yours is a civilization of the setting sun.
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June 13, 2013 8:08am
Redbaiter

What the progressives have brought us to.
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June 13, 2013 8:13am
Keeping Stock

Aaron Gilmore has a point; is the Press Gallery going to get itself into a lather over Trevor Mallard’s second instance of bullying a public servant (remember Erin Leigh?), and threatening their ongoing employment?

By rights, we should now have the Patrick Gower stake-outs of Mallard to look forward to, followed by the tearful press conference, and then the valedictory speech. Of course that’s not going to happen in Mallard’s case, but Gilmore is quite right to wonder whether he was a victim of the media’s double standards.

http://keepingstock.blogspot.co.nz/2013/06/aaron-gilmore-has-point.html
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June 13, 2013 8:13am
Reid

Interesting observation on Iran possibilities in relation to Syria

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/iran-emerging-as-victor-in-syrian-conflict/2013/06/11/345d92b2-d2c2-11e2-8cbe-1bcbee06f8f8_print.html

Obama is meeting with his national security team to discuss Syria round about now.

Shame very few on here have woken up to what Syria represents. It’s a bellwether as to what’s going to happen to us, to Israel, to other nations. They’re going to use the same tactics they’ve used there, and we will see the same atrocities happening there now, being committed against us, our families, our neighbours and our cousins in Australia.

And it’s being done by the people most people here think are “the good guys.”

By their actions ye shall know them.

Shame very few have even bothered to look at what actions have been done.

Shame.
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June 13, 2013 8:15am
Lance

@Red
Maintaining that women doing a mans job is a sign of a civilization at it’s sun set is an invalid proposition as every single civilization in history has (or will) declined and ‘sun set’.
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June 13, 2013 8:19am
flipper

Oops…

Put this in wrong spot…

flipper (1,718) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 8:36 am

wusselll red melon is at it again.

While I am no fan of the Washington Post, it does have as point:

NSA is doing what Google does – The Washington Post

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/richard-cohen-nsa-is-doing-what-google-does/2013/06/10/fe969612-d1f7-11e2-8cbe-1bcbee06f8f8_print.html?hpid=z2
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June 13, 2013 8:41am
Griff

traditional job
chained to the kitchen bench?
oh wait the kitchen bench is new so is chain.
tied with rope to the hovel entrance.
well no my ancestors were a matrichcal society.
We know this because among other legacys of Rome occupying England Is the story of a woman roped to her hovel cooking and cleaning who was A leader of the rebellion against occupation
we still remember and highly regard this WOMAN fighter leader today.
Of course all society rise and falls over time.
This example of a founder of the English tradition predated the entire English rise to power .
It also shows you post is a total pile of shite reddy. 😆
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June 13, 2013 8:48am
mandk

Griff,

If you were able to spell and punctuate correctly, we might be able to share your little joke. 🙂
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June 13, 2013 8:53am
joana

What biased , ridiculous rubbish on TV 3 last re the muslim invaders in Burma. They started the violence..They are from Bangladesh but Bangladesh and other muslim countries do not want then..The programe neglected to mention that the Burmese have put a two child per family limit on them..what a good idea.
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June 13, 2013 8:56am
Manolo

A nutter introduces a crook: http://michellemalkin.com/2013/06/12/biden-al-gore-was-elected-president-of-the-united-states/
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June 13, 2013 8:56am
Harriet

How’s this for ‘progress’?

While the Radical Feminists oppose all stereotypes, the transgendered males presenting as females embrace narrow sexist stereotypes to the point of becoming caricatures of women.

And butch lesbians become stereotypical narrow caricatures of men.

Some Radical Feminists lesbians reject men who want to be lesbian women as interlopers.

Some others regard the women who want to be men as going over to the enemy.

As a result some feminist gatherings are restricted to women born as women and living as women.

While those with SSA try to convince people they are born that way and can’t change, the GenderQueer insist that nothing is stable and everything can constantly change.

The transsexuals want everyone to pretend that they are really the other sex, but their ultimate goal is a world without gender.

Tolerance? Talk about a bunch of hypocrats, liars and fucken bigots! 😎

But that’s not the point. The point is the blindingly obvious:

Progressives are totaly fucken confused in the head!

LGBT are fucked in the head alright – as they’re out fighting the Christians when the war is with science!

Because as you see,

The more sexual depravity, the more sexual diseases, mental health issues, social issues, and relationship issues.
The more diseases, mental health issues, social issues, and relationship issues, the more doctors visits.
The more doctors visits the more statistics, studies and findings.
The more statistics, studies and findings, the more obvious the truth.

And the more obvious the truth, the more fucken pathetic that LGBT look by the day!

BTW: Sodomy isn’t prescribed as a therapy for anything either – but LGBT would never tell you that – because sodomy would clearly then be seen as A problem! 😎

Oh yeah…almost forgot…Thanks Cha for your link yesterday to that site that HATES BILL. Have a nice day. 😎
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June 13, 2013 9:03am
kowtow

lance says every civilisation has declined so implies we should allow ours to also?

As the article said we are being engaged in a “culture war”.If you refuse to stand up for your values and traditions then you deserve to lose.
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June 13, 2013 9:04am
Ashley Schaeffer

Redbaiter (3,375) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 8:13 am
What the progressives have brought us to.

The U.S. is stuffed. The Left are now firmly in control over there and it’s only going to get worse. Successive generations of Americans have been conditioned for the takeover and will go quietly into the night. Land of the Free, yeah right.
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June 13, 2013 9:07am
Kea

“LGBT are fucked in the head alright – as they’re out fighting the Christians when the war is with science! ”

You got it Harriet. They are fighting nature not the Christians.
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June 13, 2013 9:09am
WineOh

Ashley, just remember that “The Left” in the USA is still firmly Right of our Right Wing.
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June 13, 2013 9:11am
Kea

WineOh , ACT would be considered a communist party in the States, though I think that is beginning to change.
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June 13, 2013 9:19am
Floyd60

Radio New Zealand News reports

‘A study of the annual reports of 100 listed or large companies published in 2012 has found a huge variation in the amount of commentary companies provide

Deloitte says the commentary rangers from none to 74 pages.

Technical partner Denise Hodgkins says among the findings was that only 22 companies gave detailed disclosure of their objectives and strategies, and only 13 companies explained how their success, or otherwise, would be measured.

She says that sort of information is appropriate in the annual report which should have a succinct summary of what the company is about and how it is doing.

Ms Hodgkins says she was surprised that only 16 of the companies provided any information on the types of risks they face and only four gave detailed information on the topic.

She says although very detailed information on risk is not needed in the annual report, some discussion on risk is appropriate.’

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/business/137557/study-finds-huge-variation-in-detail-of-annual-reports

Not just the public sector eh?
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June 13, 2013 9:23am
Griff

well to much of a fuckaroud on cellphone when half your posts drop into the either anyway sorry.
The intent was to point out that Queen Baudicca was a founder of a rebellion against occupation brought about by Rome refusing to grant her right of inheritance due to her sex.This cultural attitude towards woman by Rome has in its legacy the attitude of the Roman catholic church.
Reddys post is a total pile of shite.Our or most of our ancestors did not treat woman as only chained to woman’s work
that shite comes from Rome in both its incarnations.
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June 13, 2013 9:25am
Ashley Schaeffer

WineOh (159) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 9:11 am
Ashley, just remember that “The Left” in the USA is still firmly Right of our Right Wing.

Well that depends on who you are holding up as Right Wing in New Zealand. If we are talking National, then you are probably correct.

But truthfully I think your statement used to be true but isn’t so true any more. I think the U.S. Government and the Democrats in particular have taken a huge leap further to the Left under Obama. And like what has happened here in N.Z. they are dragging many Republicans to the Left as well. Individual responsibility and liberty are rapidly becoming foreign concepts in the U.S. It’s very sad.
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June 13, 2013 9:30am
Harriet

“…..You got it Harriet. They are fighting nature not the Christians….”

Yep – and here’s your best mate 😎 saying exactly the same :

Contrasting Christian philosophical approaches with gender theory, Pope Benedict pointed out that:

“According to this philosophy, sex is no longer a given element of nature, that man has to accept and personally make sense of: it is a social role that we choose for ourselves.”

Additionally, those promoting gender theories:
“…dispute the idea that they have a nature, given by their bodily identity.”

That’s the thing Kea, it doesn’t matter where you look at it from, ‘Marriage’ is a whole and complete union of nature, where two persons give their ‘whole selves’ – including their reproduction capabilities to create new life.

Gay marriage falls way short of marriage, it could even be said the complete opposite of Marriage, where people DON’T give their ‘whole natural self’ and DON’T therefor create life – but deny life.
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June 13, 2013 9:34am
Manolo

It worked for the Labour Party, why not the Chruch?
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/06/12/pope-francis-says-gay-lobby-at-work-inside-vatican/
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June 13, 2013 9:39am
Griff

Read the gospel according to Mary.
Eliminated by the Roman catholic church because it did not treat woman as objects only valid for domestic slavery and sex on demand.
It is arguably the first dated gospel.
We only have remnants found since sience broke the censorship of Rome.
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June 13, 2013 9:40am
Kea

Harriet, yes I agree with all that. I did not oppose gay marriage as it was about personal liberty for me. As you have already observed, nature makes real marriages and man made laws will not change that one bit.
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June 13, 2013 9:41am
WineOh

Lets look at where most of us “Right” thinking Kiwis sit on some of our social & government constructs:
1. Public hospital system, supported by additional funding & subsidy of private general medical practice
2. Universal & non-means tested Superannuation, plus retirement home funding (albeit asset tested)
3. Pharmac government negotiation & buying of pharmaceuticals
4. Significant safety net in both disability and unemployment benefits
5. Minimum wage standards that include all industries
6. Civil Unions in 2004, and now Same Sex Marriage
7. Decriminalisation of prostitution
etc.

ACT has historically been our “far right” party, which is more in line with Liberterian movements overseas.

And I believe the left-drift of the Democrats in the US has actually driven a more extreme Right-shift in the republicans.
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June 13, 2013 9:41am
Neil

I cannot get over the hypocisy of Julia Gillard,Oz’s PM with her attack on a menu which she claims toi be from the LNP. Now we find that the menu never went into the function and was a poor joke between the owner of the restaurant and his son.
Before that we had Gillard bring abortion into the campaign, something right outside current discussions – trying to frighten female voters. Abbot says there will be no change in legfislation but Gillard ignores that and charges on like an out of control train. Her base is retreating by the day.
Now the Australia media are calling her the worst PM in Australian history just heading off “Big” Gough Whitlam. Whitlam had delusions of grandeur-witness his coming home to the Darwin Cyclone and then flying straight back to the ruins of Athens Greece. Gillard is merely nasty and grubby !!!!
Anyone with any political sense knows now that Labor will get a towelling the September election. A divided party will always fail, voters don’t want to see division in their government-witness NZ in 1990 with the Labor Party.
Gillard is a horrible person with a mind like rat. She will go after an electoral hammering, back to Slater and Gordon litigation lawyers and a firm with a lot questions around them.
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June 13, 2013 9:48am
calendar girl

A pretty good start by the European Union in questioning the Obama Administration on what information its NSA’s “Prism” project is gathering on EU citizens: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22872884 .

I hope that the EU gets its best legal minds working in support of this enquiry, persists with its information demands, and ensures that it ultimately obtains reasonable clarity on the legal and practical parameters of this US intelligence programme.

Countries like NZ should be advising the USA and the EU clearly that we expect the same kind of insight as is being sought by the EU. And to avoid such action being misinterpreted by our crazy MSM as an attack on the US or on its legitimate security objectives, the communications with the EU and the US should be made through diplomatic channels.
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June 13, 2013 9:56am
hmmokrightitis

So, weddy, where does that leave matriachal societies? Or does that not fit the rhetoric?
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June 13, 2013 9:58am
Redbaiter

Hey dopey, you think I come here to submit to interrogation by the likes of low IQ commies like you? Make your argument or STFU.
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June 13, 2013 10:09am
hmmokrightitis

Aww, bless, you cant answer a question so you resort to abuse. Doesnt say much for the argument does it?
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June 13, 2013 10:10am
Chuck Bird

Hannah Spyksma: Open letter to Eden Park taunters
By Hannah Spyksma
5:30 AM Wednesday Jun 12, 2013

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/opinion/news/article.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10889897

Will these homosexual activist ever quit moaning. It would not surprise me if Spyksma has not exaggerated to the number comments before she stuck her spoke in similar to the two dykes at the B & B up north.
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June 13, 2013 10:11am
Redbaiter

Three piss weak limp wristed questions and only one argumentative statement in two posts. And the statement was off topic too. What a waste of bandwidth.
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June 13, 2013 10:12am
publicwatchdog

Good moaning Kiwibloggers!

Seen this?
_______________________________________________________________________________________________

Professor Prem Sikka exposes STATE CAPTURE BY BIG BUSINESS IN THE UK.

“In fact, tax policymaking seems to be handed over tax avoiders.”

Ahead of the G8 meeting I have an article on the website of The Conversation.
It provides examples to show that big business has thoroughly penetrated and captured the state. In fact, tax policymaking seems to be handed over tax avoiders. Yet this is not on the G8 agenda and without this no fight against organised tax avoidance is going to be effective.

The article is titled “Without curbing corporate power the G8 have no chance of combating tax avoidance” and is available at

https://theconversation.com/without-curbing-corporate-power-the-g8-have-no-chance-of-combating-tax-avoidance-15153

Prem Sikka
Professor of Accounting
Centre for Global Accountability
Essex Business School
University of Essex
Colchester, Essex CO4 3SQ, UK
Office Tel: +44(0)1206 873773
Office Fax: +44 (01206) 873429
AABA Website: http://www.aabaglobal.org
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June 13, 2013 10:14am
Weihana

kowtow (4,547) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 9:04 am

As the article said we are being engaged in a “culture war”.If you refuse to stand up for your values and traditions then you deserve to lose.

lmao@”culture war”. It’s no wonder young people have no time for fuddy-duddy conservative old white men sitting in their arm chair raving about a so-called “culture war” and predicting the end times are near because a lady earns a living.

“Oh Grandpa… bless his sweet heart… anyone seen his meds?”
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June 13, 2013 10:31am
Redbaiter

Weihana- suffering the leftist disease in that even when the evidence is right there before him in stark relief, he is blind to the fact that he and his progressive ideas have destroyed the US and almost every other western civilisation.
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June 13, 2013 10:36am
hmmokrightitis

So, basically its not an ‘argument’, its ‘the truth’, is that right weddy? And if you dont buy in to it, youre an idiot?

Finding that approach works well for you in converting people to the cause? Signing many copies of Making Friends and Influencing People these days?

You do see the flaw in your plan for turning NZ in to Singapore, dont you?
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June 13, 2013 10:37am
Redbaiter

I am not interested in converting idiots. You stay on the side you are already on. You hold us prisoner today but we will defeat you in time because yours is a force sustained by delusion and lies.

And why can’t you get the simple point? I’m not here to dance to the tune of socialists who can’t think for themselves and who I regard as idiots! Ask your questions of yourself you damn fool. If you can’t write a simple argument then what the fuck are you doing here?

As for your remarks on Singapore, just one more indication that I am conversing with an idiot. I have only ever used the Singapore example to illustrate the point that a society can exist without a so called “safety net”.

ie that Singapore has virtually nobody on the dole, on sickness benefit on the sole parent benefit etc. Where as NZ has hundred so thosuand sucking on the state tit and all the commies claiming you cant have a civilised society without it.

Yet there Singapore stands. Civilised and without a safety net. So the progs are lying again. Singapore demonstrates it so starkly.

That is the simple point about Singapore that you knuckle dragging thick as a brick dense as a black hole progs just cannot seem to understand.

And I know that no matter how many times I try to explain that point here, you will still come back with the same rubbish, because your intellect is crippled by years of immersion in the poisonous brew of socialism that rots your brain power and destroys your ability to think outside the Berlin Wall they have built around your psyche.

I’m not trying to convert you. You’re beyond conversion. I want to take your political power and defeat you.
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June 13, 2013 10:48am
Weihana

Redbaiter (3,384) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 10:36 am

…even when the evidence is right there before him in stark relief…

Not so much evidence as a bunch of assumptions and conservative dogma. 🙂
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June 13, 2013 10:55am
Redbaiter

Its not Conservative ideas that have brought the US to its knees. You’d have to be completely ignorant of any political system or delusional to believe that. The US has been destroyed by Progressives in the Democrat and Republican Party.
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June 13, 2013 11:00am
Weihana

Redbaiter (3,386) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 11:00 am

…have brought the US to its knees…The US has been destroyed…

Culture war! Civilization is coming to an end! The US has been brought to its knees! The US has been destroyed!

Such drama! Are you sure you’re not a drag queen?
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June 13, 2013 11:08am
Fletch

New claim by Glenn Beck that he is in contact with another whistle blower who has info that will “take down the entire power structure” including both Democrats and Republicans. He will release the info in the next 24 hours. He is claiming the information is so sensitive (he has seen one page) that the whistle blower would be killed – not just arrested and that this info will “greatly divide the nation”.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbkQcmjKQvo

I guess it’s a case of wait and see.
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June 13, 2013 11:08am
hmmokrightitis

I had no idea I was holding you prisoner weddy, my bad – is the mattress comfortable?

Thanks again for more self parody, it continues to bring a smile to my commie countenance 🙂

But my favourite is this: “If you can’t write a simple argument then what the fuck are you doing here?”

After youve posted a link to someone elses work…
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June 13, 2013 11:08am
Weihana

Fletch (4,377) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 11:08 am

He will release the info in the next 24 hours.

Plenty of time for the Men in Black to replace him with a robot clone.
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June 13, 2013 11:12am
Redbaiter

“I guess it’s a case of wait and see.”

Maybe. I don’t like Beck that much.

He’s too frequently running up false flags like this is probably going to be.

A month or so ago he tried the same stuff and it was such a damp squib I can’t even remember what the issue was.
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June 13, 2013 11:13am
Redbaiter

“I had no idea I was holding you prisoner weddy, my bad”

Well it is long past time you got to the realisation that people are getting completely fed up with progs like you using their votes to steal our wealth and loot the products of our labour and further grow big government and subjugate us to racist political parties and make us endure every stupid civilisation destroying prog idea out there.

Like all under educated well indoctrinated progs you have immense difficulty understanding THAT NOT EVERYONE THINKS LIKE YOU.

As unbelievable as you may find it, there is still a large force of citizens out there who strongly disagree with you on just about every issue, and we are getting pretty sick of your perversion of the democratic system and your totalitarian intentions.

You need to think about what you are doing and understand that its not going to be like this forever.
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June 13, 2013 11:21am
Fletch

Redbaiter, the issue was that of the Saudi national injured in the Boston bombing and initially arrested as a “person of interest”. That he was on a terrorist watch list with a designation only given to the most serious terrorist threats. His status was eventually downgraded and he was allowed to go back home (after being visited by Michelle Obama in the hospital). I believe that Obama and John Kerry also met with a Saudi representative.

Although it was serious, nobody seemed to care much and the issue was forgotten. That is the problem these days – it would have to be something very serious in order to shake people from this lackadaisical apathy they have toward any criticism of Obama.
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June 13, 2013 11:23am
Redbaiter

“Although it was serious, nobody seemed to care much and the issue was forgotten. That is the problem these days – it would have to be something very serious in order to shake people from this lackadaisical apathy they have toward any criticism of Obama.”

Actually we just need to face the truth. The reality.

The US has been captured by communists. The country and its government is utterly corrupt.
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June 13, 2013 11:27am
Chuck Bird

Ex-chairman defends sacked principal
10:08 AM Thursday Jun 13, 2013

“I’ve been a supporter (of Mr Hovell) because I believe that he is a good man. He’s done a lot of good. And yes he’s made some mistakes, and the school made some mistakes.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10890233

He might be a good man but he should never be a principle again. He know the pervert was allowing boys to sleep over and did nothing. I bet he would not do the same if he had young girls sleeping over. I would if the reason he did nothing was that he was worried about the label homophobe.
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June 13, 2013 11:31am
Griff

No reddy
its demonstrable that
1 The usa capitalism is infected with wealth transfer distortions due to capture of the political process by wealthy interest groups.
agriculture production car industry and extractive industry all benefit from ledgerstive capture.
2 I can not imagine a less representive political system than one were it takes tens millions of dollars to buy the highest position in the land.
the presidential election process is a joke.
3 The usa is not particularly free their coastgard for instance is a armed force with power of search and seizure far in excess of anything we would consider legal.
They may represent the high ground in freedom and democracy tp some for me nowhere near.
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June 13, 2013 11:32am
hmmokrightitis

weddy:”As unbelievable as you may find it, there is still a large force of citizens out there who strongly disagree with you on just about every issue, and we are getting pretty sick of your perversion of the democratic system and your totalitarian intentions.”

And yet you put the Singapore model up – whilst decrying totalitarian intent. And no, thats not saying Singapore is, Im saying Singapore is so much more totalitarian than NZ is, has or or probably will ever be – you dont see this? You have been there, right – do I need to remind you of the pasting you got last week regarding Singapore?

“You need to think about what you are doing and understand that its not going to be like this forever.”

Will we have free cigars after the revolution?
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June 13, 2013 11:33am
Redbaiter

“And yet you put the Singapore model up”

Yes for perhaps the twentieth time, as an example that you can have a civilised society without the so called safety net that the left maintain is imperative. But really only exists to bring them the votes they would otherwise not get. IOW, the so called safety net is really just a means to socialist totalitarianism.

Everything else you might want to argue about Singapore is a different issue. But you are too black hole dense and your intelligence too rotted by socialism to cope with such a simple distinction. A complete waste of my time trying to penetrate the thick mental armour that surrounds your prog political perspective.

You’re so stupid you can’t even see the intellectual futility in appointing yourself arbitrator on who got “a pasting” at the same time as you enter the fray as a protagonist. What a fucking moron. You’re lucky I was foolish enough to have even this conversation with you. I really have so many better things to do than talk shit with helpless halfwits.
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June 13, 2013 11:41am
kowtow

‘Oh Grandpa,bless his heart,anyone seen his med(al)s?’

They fought for their civilisation. Now we roll over in the name of equality and multiculturalism. Two concepts that are destroying the west.

They’re beginning to wake up to the lie in Europe .

Mass uncontrolled immigration,massive taxation with no benefit to workers,declining birthrates,social and financial bankruptcy.Yes we are witnessing the decline of a proud ,prudent,strong, assertive west.

And the agents of this destruction want everyone to shut up ,bend over and take it up the bum.Literally.
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June 13, 2013 11:47am
Andrei

The decline of the West illustrated

http://youtu.be/xnlweYcAxo8
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June 13, 2013 11:58am
hmmokrightitis

“I really have so many better things to do than talk shit with helpless halfwits”

I know, youre busy sticking it to the left, but humour me, please 🙂

So, the fact that most inhabitants of the island live in government accomodation…how does that fit with your model? Im intrigued, because Singapore seems to you to be one thing, but to many others its something quite different. And a challenge for you – see if you can respond without resorting to abuse.

“You’re lucky I was foolish enough to have even this conversation with you” – oh trust me, I really really do know how lucky I am.
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June 13, 2013 12:01pm
Tauhei Notts

Chuck Bird at 10.11
Apparently it quite okay to question the sight of an incompetent referee, but it is an absolute no no to refer to him as a faggot.
My wife suffers from macular degeneration and finds comments about people’s sight offensive, but a resident of Gay Lynn calling the ref a faggot; she finds that bloody funny.
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June 13, 2013 12:05pm
Redbaiter

“So, the fact that most inhabitants of the island live in government accomodation”

They buy their flats from the government, and they trade in them. They are not rented state houses as in NZ.

Man this country is fucked if you’re any indication of the general intellectual level.
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June 13, 2013 12:12pm
Viking2

So, the idiots who think they can drive and text are finally shown to be what they really are. Brain impaired idiots.

Your eyes may be on the road ahead, but if you’re on the phone, punching an address into the GPS or using a voice-activated app to send a text message, there’s a disconnect between your eyeballs and your brain.

“Cognitive distraction is something that drivers aren’t aware of, so they may go through a red light or a stop sign and be totally unaware they’ve missed it,” said David Strayer, whose research team at the University of Utah conducted a two-year study of the problem.

“They will tell you ‘I never saw it’ because their brain was focused elsewhere.”

he new study’s most surprising finding is that technology developed to enhance the safety of text messaging while driving isn’t very effective.

When compared with other distractions inside the car, the report said, “We found that interacting with the speech-to-text system was the most cognitively distracting. This clearly suggests that the adoption of voice-based systems in the vehicle may have unintended consequences that adversely affect traffic safety.”

http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/8791480/Eyes-on-road-may-not-prevent-accidents

Of course some of us already knew this stuff.
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June 13, 2013 12:18pm
Weihana

kowtow (4,549) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 11:47 am

“We fought for our country… grumble grumble grumble… people are starting to wake up to the lies… grumble grumble grumble… I’m not taking it up the bum!.. grumble grumble…”
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June 13, 2013 12:25pm
Fletch

Footage of a famous Hollywood producer (worked for Steven Speilberg’s Amblin Entertainment), being interviewed about the movie she made in 2008 about voter fraud, specifically in the Democratic party.

She is claiming that the Clinton’s daughter Chelsea was threatened unless Bill shut up about Obama’s eligibility and birth certificate. No one probably remembers, but it was Bill Clinton who really started off the “birther” movement when Hillary was running against Obama. It wasn’t the Republicans or the Tea party – it was Bill Clinton.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6k8RVn-Wik
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June 13, 2013 12:27pm
Weihana

kowtow (4,549) Says:
June 13th, 2013 at 11:47 am

They fought for their civilisation. Now we roll over in the name of equality and multiculturalism. Two concepts that are destroying the west.

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Mass uncontrolled immigration,massive taxation with no benefit to workers,declining birthrates,social and financial bankruptcy.Yes we are witnessing the decline of a proud ,prudent,strong, assertive west.

Seriously though. Which side of WW2 are your views more in line with? Was Hitler an agent for equality and multiculturalism?

Where are the parallels? Uncontrolled immigration… in other words this “other group” of “those people” whom you do not trust. For Hitler that was the Jews. Massive taxation with no benefits? For Hitler the Treaty of Versailles. Social and financial bankruptcy? Well lets just read some Hitler quotes:

Woman’s world is her husband, her family, her children and her home. We do not find it right when she presses into the world of men.

– Adolf Hitler, quoted in Lucy Komisar, The New Feminism
Parallel to the training of the body a struggle against the poisoning of the soul must begin. Our whole public life today is like a hothouse for sexual ideas and simulations. Just look at the bill of fare served up in our movies, vaudeville and theaters, and you will hardly be able to deny that this is not the right kind of food, particularly for the youth…Theater, art, literature, cinema, press, posters, and window displays must be cleansed of all manifestations of our rotting world and placed in the service of a moral, political, and cultural idea.

– Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

While both denominations maintain missions in Asia and Africa in order to win new followers for their doctrine — an activity which can boast but very modest success compared to the advance of the Mohammedan faith in particular — right here in Europe they lose millions and millions of inward adherents who either are alien to all religious life or simply go their own ways. The consequences, particularly from a moral point of view, are not favorable.

– Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 10

Today Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to burn out the poison of immorality which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of liberal excess during the past … (few) years.

– Adolf Hitler, quoted in: The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872

So where is the true threat to civilization? But fortunately as I said before, the grumbling from old fuddy duddys has no sway with youth.
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June 13, 2013 12:35pm
Manolo

The racist Maori Party will be deeply disappointed: http://news.msn.co.nz/nationalnews/8673987/no-law-change-over-racist-cartoons
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June 13, 2013 12:45pm
Kea

Red, I am surprised you are referencing Singapore after the hiding you got on that matter last time ! Even people living there were ripping your argument to bits.
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June 13, 2013 12:46pm
Ross12

Very interesting thread by Whaleoil on the merits of politicians using Twitter to get their message across

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/2013/06/politicians-and-twitter/#more-98705

I agree with Cameron’s view on it.
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June 13, 2013 1:00pm
Redbaiter

“Red, I am surprised you are referencing Singapore after the hiding you got”

As I said above, and apparently it failed to penetrate your brain then so I don’t see how it will differ this time, for someone who obviously has an axe to grind to posture as an independent arbitrator and declare that I “had a hiding” is the ultimate in ignorance and lack of self awareness.

In the first place how could a retard like you ever discern such an event, and in the second place, since when has Billy Slater ever been asked to umpire and play fullback for Melbourne at the same time? Really, FFS..!!

You progs are so clueless it makes me wonder where this country is bound. Honestly.

As for “beating me”, it has not happened because not one fucking thick as a brick prog has addressed the real issue yet and that is how come if a safety net that transfers money from the productive sector to sickness beneficiaries and solo parents and the unemployed is such an essential component of a civilised society, then how come Singapore has a much more civilised society than NZ and no such (virtual) welfare net?

When one of you pathetic little prog jerkoffs addresses that point satisfactorily then you might have started in the race, but so far no one has even been in the same stadium.
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June 13, 2013 1:08pm
hmmokrightitis

No Kea, we are not allowed to self arbiter the outcome of that disturbance in the force. Only weddy can pass judgement, like pearls before swine. That all counts as a win for team weddy (there are thousands of them, dont you know) on the path to the day of glory!
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June 13, 2013 1:11pm
Dirty Rat

Ross12@ 1.00pm

For a guy who thinks its gay, he sure interacts with a lot of people on it…even posts it on his youtube repeating website.

For someone who has tweeted over 35 thousand times, I guess he must be right
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June 13, 2013 1:11pm
b1gdaddynz

Ross12- Yeah most of the time it just makes them look pathetic and political messages don’t usually condense to 140 characters very well! I think they are under the delusion that it makes them seem hip…really it’s like your grand parents commenting on Facebook! I do find it funny that people will like John Key’s Facebook page just to slag him off…not realizing that they are making him look more popular!
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June 13, 2013 1:14pm
mikenmild

While some claim Singapore has no welfare system, doesn’t the government there provide free medical care, school fees, subsidised home rentals and some income transfers for needy families?
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June 13, 2013 1:14pm
axeman

UK environment secretary Paterson: Climate change isn’t real
“The real question is: is climate change influenced by man made climate change? The climate, the temperature has not changed in the last 17 years.” – UK Secretary of State for Environment Owen Paterson

http://americablog.com/2013/06/uk-environment-minister-paterson-climate-change-denial.html

And the evidence keeps mounting against global warming extremism.

Award-winning NASA climate scientist Dr. Roy Spencer posted this graph which shows 73 climate computer models projecting a warmer Earth than real world observations from satellite and weather balloons show.

http://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc1/602431_10151694349770281_1183094346_n.jpg

http://www.cfact.org/2013/06/06/no-one-told-the-un-conference-that-theres-been-no-warming-for-16-years/
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June 13, 2013 1:21pm
Redbaiter

Hey Milky, you’re such a well educated fine upstanding example of what the soviet system can produce, why don’t you address the point?

Without the safety net of WFF, solo parent’s benefit, unemployed benefit and sickness benefit, how come nobody is committing crime up there in Singapore like you say they would if the net did not exist? Address the point or STFU.
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June 13, 2013 1:21pm
mikenmild

But they do have numerous safety nets in Singapore, plus the sort of one-party state Reddy must have wet dreams about.
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June 13, 2013 1:24pm
Redbaiter

Fine. Its just as I thought then.

You can’t address it.

You just make stuff up to cover that problem.

Typical commie. Never short of a lie and never worried about bending the truth. The end justifies the means.
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June 13, 2013 1:34pm
jonnobanks

Anger as fans miss out on Fleetwood tickets

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/8791633/Anger-as-fans-miss-out-on-Fleetwood-tickets

“Ticket purchasing should be fair for everyone despite the purchasing power of the fan. Why should we be penalised because we want the cheaper tickets?” Lewis said.

um.. cos you pay for what you get, that’s the way it works.
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June 13, 2013 1:37pm
Ross12

Dirty Rat @ 1.11

I take your point but if you look at Whaleoil’s thread, down at the bottom he acknowledges that Twiiter is good him and his blog because of all the BS he picks up.

I think the exchange between Drury and Normal that DPF has opened a thread on above illustrates the point Whaleoil is making quite clearly.
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June 13, 2013 1:44pm
mikenmild

Typical Reddy. Make a claim and then put the onus on others to disprove it. Reddy claimed that if ‘a safety net that transfers money from the productive sector to sickness beneficiaries and solo parents and the unemployed is such an essential component of a civilised society, then how come Singapore has a much more civilised society than NZ and no such (virtual) welfare net?’ Yet when I point out that Singapore has exactly that sort of safety net somehow I am evading the point?
And I hadn’t even started on whether Singapore is a more ‘civilized’ society than NZ.
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June 13, 2013 1:45pm
Griff

Axe old mate
That link was so different from your claim It helps explain alot about your wingmut belief when simple reading and understanding your first link would help your denial problem no end
Axeman wins the award for the most misrepresented link ever.
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June 13, 2013 1:49pm
Griff

another little detail for you axewhack.
Dr Spencer has signed a petition that states it impossible for man to change gods work therefore Agw can not be real.
this rules his view on Agw invalid as its based on his religion.
Go to the remote sensing site and read about the problem with satellite inferred temperature
Rss is not surface temperature it’s mostly upper atmosphere if Rss measured the same temperature as the surface it would prove Agw wrong
as you and doctor god says Spencer have so kindly pointed out.
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June 13, 2013 1:59pm
Redbaiter

“Yet when I point out that Singapore has exactly that sort of safety net somehow I am evading the point?”

Of course if this little commie coward really wanted to validate his claim of “exactly that sort of safety net” he would have provided a comparison of the following figures from each country-

Numbers receiving unemployment benefit

Numbers receiving sickness benefit

Numbers receiving solo parent benefit

He did not of course, for he knows that his claim of “exactly that sort of safety net” is abject untruth. NZ has hundreds of thousands receiving such benefits. Singapore has virtually nil.

Whereas communists like Milky in NZ claim that the safety net is an essential component in keeping our societies civil and free of crime, the truth is that it exists only to ensure that socialist governments continue to get the votes they need to govern.

Singapore demonstrates that without these safety nets a civil and crime free society is possible. Milky hates this truth because it undermines his cowardly propaganda. If the welfare roll suddenly did not exist, socialist tyrants would lose a few hundred thousand votes.
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June 13, 2013 2:12pm
axeman

Gwiff you want misrepresentation. After all this is how your “God” the shyster cartoonist arrives at his theory.
Must be where you get your phrases from … eh? 🙂

http://australianclimatemadness.com/2013/06/05/how-cook-n-lew-do-science/

Luckily we have the nice Mr Watts and friends to set things straight 🙂
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/06/12/the-warming-plateau-may-extend-back-even-further/
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June 13, 2013 2:20pm
Kea

When one of you pathetic little prog jerkoffs addresses that point satisfactorily then you might have started in the race, but so far no one has even been in the same stadium.

Singapore is a very authoritarian state. It is more restricted than modern communist China in many ways. The price they pay for their orderly island is personal liberty. Their justice system has penalties that many strict Muslim countries would consider excessive.
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June 13, 2013 2:25pm
wreck1080

I think they should have raised interest rates today.

A huge property bubble is building up now which puts to shame any in the past.

This property bubble could be far more damaging than potential damage to exporting.
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June 13, 2013 2:46pm
Griff

Aaxewhack
you are an idiot
would you like to know patersons view on effort to stop climate change?
He is on record as saying that the risk it is happening is to great so we should reduce co2 emissions.
know you are back to wanking with watts the failed weather man
wingmut blogs for your scientific information not the governments ones
conspirators!! all the governments agency’s have been taken over by scientist who are sneaking around melting the ice with their bunsen burners
😆
fucken nutters .
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June 13, 2013 2:46pm
Kea

wreck1080 , I am not so sure we will see a collapse. Our money system is stuffed globally. But the price of calling it is too high, so we all agree to battle on and pretend it is ok. The USA is in too deep to get out, but a financial collapse of the worlds reserve currency would cause a terrible fuss. It is all smoke and mirrors.
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June 13, 2013 2:53pm
Kea

all the governments agency’s have been taken over by scientist who are sneaking around melting the ice with their bunsen burners

fucken nutters .

Griff, well they were not melting ice in the Northern hemisphere this winter, or the Antarctic. Record cold and ice all round. Well that is the North & South hemispheres, maybe the warming is in the East or West hemispheres, do you think ? 🙂
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June 13, 2013 2:56pm
Manolo

One article even pothead Griff will enjoy: http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/james-delingpole/8927601/why-you-shouldnt-believe-the-green-attacks-on-ben-fogle/

Just because the environmentalists have been proved so epically wrong about global warming doesn’t mean they’re right about everything else. Ocean acidification, overpopulation, species loss… you’re going to hear a lot about dire and urgent threats like these in the coming months as the greenies establish a fallback position after the collapse of their climate change scam. But it’s the same old toxic mix of misanthropy, religious dogma, control freakery and anti-capitalism, repackaged with different labels.
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June 13, 2013 2:58pm
Griff

yeah according to blogs that denial climate change cook at el are crooks.
meanwhile in the world of published scientific literature and scientist
The members of skeptical science continue to have work published and excepted by the scientific community.
Open mind has the respect of scientist who freely support and sometimes learn from his statistical work.
with the co author of the conspiracy papers being given a scholarship to the UK because of his clear thinking well research papers by no other than the royal academy of science.
The pusudo science blogersphere or reality your choice wingmut.
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June 13, 2013 3:00pm
axeman

Ah yes Cook et al are paragons of virtue. Tui billboard right there.

Just like you Gwiffy, John Cook and his psych sidekick Dr. Stephan Levandowsky are big on conspiracy theory studies as a tool to smear skeptics, and you/they are quite certain that climate skeptics are mentally aberrant, even though they never give skeptics a chance to vote in their horridly self serving and skewed surveys.

Last year the charming Glenn Tamblyn (Skeptical Science author/moderator) was secretly conversing with his SkS pals on their off limits forum (which either got hacked or was left open by their own incompetence) and said “we need a conspiracy to save humanity”. The Viet Cong comparison is a nice touch too. There’s talk of convening a “war council” too.

And this isn’t about science or personal careers and reputations any more. This is a fight for survival. Our civilisations survival. .. We need our own anonymous (or not so anonymous) donors, our own think tanks…. Our Monckton’s … Our assassins.

Anyone got Bill Gates’ private number, Warren Buffett, Richard Branson? Our ‘side’ has got to get professional, ASAP. We don’t need to blog. We need to network. Every single blog, organisation, movement is like a platoon in an army. ..This has a lot of similarities to the Vietnam War….And the skeptics are the Viet Cong… Not fighting like ‘Gentlemen’ at all. And the mainstream guys like Gleick don’t know how to deal with this. Queensberry Rules rather than biting and gouging.

..So, either Mother Nature deigns to give the world a terrifying wake up call. Or people like us have to build the greatest guerilla force in human history. Now. Because time is up…Someone needs to convene a council of war of the major environmental movements, blogs, institutes etc. In a smoke filled room (OK, an incense filled room) we need a conspiracy to save humanity.

[As quoted by Geoff Chambers in this Bishop Hill thread. http://www.bishop-hill.net/blog/2012/3/26/opengate-josh-158.html?currentPage=2#comments ]
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June 13, 2013 3:20pm
axeman

Climate Alarmist Scientist Academic Jargon Translator (ref Skeptical Science)

“It has long been known” = I didn’t look up the original reference.

“A definite trend is evident” = These data are practically meaningless.
…
“While it has not been possible to provide definite answers to the questions” = An unsuccessful experiment, but I still hope to get it published.

“Three of the samples were chosen for detailed study” = The other results didn’t make any sense.

“Typical results are shown” = This is the prettiest graph.

“These results will be in a subsequent report” = I might get around to this sometime, if pushed/funded.

“In my experience” = once.

“In case after case” = twice.

“In a series of cases” = thrice.

“It is believed that” = I think.

“It is generally believed that” = A couple of others think so, too.

“Correct within an order of magnitude” = Wrong.

“According to statistical analysis” = Rumour has it.

“A statistically oriented projection of the significance of these findings” = A wild guess.

“A careful analysis of obtainable data” = Three pages of notes were obliterated when I knocked over a glass of pop.

“It is clear that much additional work will be required before a complete understanding of this phenomenon occurs”= I don’t understand it.

“After additional study by my colleagues” = They don’t understand it either.

“Thanks are due to Joe Blotz for assistance with the experiment and to Cindy Adams for valuable discussions” = Mr Blotz did the work and Ms Adams explained to me what it meant.

“A highly significant area for exploratory study” = A totally useless topic selected by my committee.

“It is hoped that this study will stimulate further investigation in this field” = I quit.
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June 13, 2013 3:29pm
publicwatchdog

How many Kiwibloggers are opposed to ‘Nanny/ BIG BROTHER State’ on steroids and want to have your say?

No apologies for the length of this post – it contains research which may help in the making of submissions.
(If you think it’s too long – don’t bother reading it 🙂

URGENT!

‘Drop dead’ TIME for submissions on both the following Bills is MIDNIGHT (not 5pm) TODAY Thursday 13 June 2013!

(I’ve checked with the appropriate Parliamentary staff for both Bills).

Today, Thursday 13 June 2013 is the closing date for submissions on both the –

GCSB – Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment Bill

http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Legislation/Bills/f/b/f/00DBHOH_BILL12122_1-Government-Communications-Security-Bureau-and.htm
Submissions would be accepted up until midnight.

Please email to GCSB.Bill@parliament.govt.nz

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AND the –

Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Bill
http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/SC/MakeSub/0/e/d/50SCLO_SCF_00DBHOH_BILL12123_1-Telecommunications-Interception-Capability.htm
Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Bill

Public submissions are now being invited on the Telecommunications (Interception Capability and Security) Bill. Submissions can be made through the link at the bottom of this page.

The closing date for submissions is Thursday, 13 June 2013
The bill seeks to repeal and replace the Telecommunications (Interception Capability) Act 2004

The bill is available for download from the `Related documents´ panel. Print copies can be ordered online from Bennetts Government Bookshops.

The committee requires 2 copies of each submission if made in writing. Those wishing to include any information of a private or personal nature in a submission should first discuss this with the clerk of the committee, as submissions are usually released to the public by the committee. Those wishing to appear before the committee to speak to their submissions should state this clearly and provide a daytime telephone contact number. To assist with administration please supply your postcode and an email address if you have one.

Further guidance on making a submission can be found from the Making a Submission to a Parliamentary Select Committee link in the `Related documents´ panel.

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For background info which may help you make a submission – here you go!

Reported comments at the ‘post-cabinet press conference’ held on 10 June 2013, regarding the expectation of the Prime Minister for the GCSB to act within the law:
“The PM was asked if he there was any chance that the National Security Agency of the United States had collected in information on New Zealanders.

It has been revealed that The United States intelligence agency have been engaged in widespread secret interception of internet communications.

Mr Key said he could not go into the operational techniques of either the GCSB or New Zealand’s security partners but he expected the GCSB to act within the law. The GCSB did work with other intelligence agencies from time to time but New Zealand did not have a “wholesale reciprocal”of information exchange.”

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL1306/S00064/pm-post-cabinet-press-conference-10-june-2013.htm

In New Zealand, citizens have LAWFUL rights to privacy under the NZ Privacy Act 1993:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0028/latest/DLM297038.html

‘Principle 1’, of the above-mentioned Privacy Act 1993:

“Personal information shall not be collected by any agency unless—
(a)
the information is collected for a lawful purpose connected
with a function or activity of the agency; and

Principle 4:

“Personal information shall not be collected by an agency—
(a) by unlawful means; or
(b) by means that, in the circumstances of the case,—
(i) are unfair; or
(ii) intrude to an unreasonable extent upon the personal affairs of the individual concerned.”

s.5 of the Privacy Act 1993
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1993/0028/latest/DLM297036.html

5Act to bind the Crown
This Act binds the Crown.

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http://www.parliament.nz/en-NZ/PB/Legislation/Bills/f/b/f/00DBHOH_BILL12122_1-Government-Communications-Security-Bureau-and.htm

Compare the growing attacks on the lawful rights of citizens to privacywith the lack of accountability at the highest levels of Government- Cabinet!

How can you have ‘transparency’ and ‘accountability’ without proper WRITTEN RECORDS?

Why isn’t the Public Records Act 2005 being applied in a proper way to Cabinet, regarding the CREATING of records?

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2005/0040/latest/DLM345729.html

17. Requirement to create and maintain
records

(1)Every public office and local authority must create and maintain full and accurate records of its affairs, in accordance with normal, prudent business practice, including the records of any matter that is contracted out to an independent contractor.

(2)Every public office must maintain in an accessible form, so as to be able to be used for subsequent reference, all public records that arein its control, until their disposal is authorised by or under this Act or required by or under another Act.

http://www.cabinetmanual.cabinetoffice.govt.nz/8.86

Ministerial records
General

8.86During their time in office, and on leaving office, Ministers will need to consider how to store or dispose of the papers created or received in their capacity as Ministers of the Crown (“ministerial records”).

These papers fall broadly into the following three categories:

Cabinet and Cabinet committee records (agendas, papers, and minutes);ministerial papers and files;departmental papers and files.

8.87 The following paragraphs provide guidance on the storage and disposal of ministerial records. The Cabinet Office and Archives New Zealand are able to provide additional advice.

8.88Ministers also receive and hold papers in their non-ministerial capacity; for example, correspondence with constituents and private or personal papers.

(These papers are referred to as “non-ministerial records”.) Archives New Zealand is also able to provide guidance on the storage and disposal of these papers.

(See paragraphs 8.98 and 8.99.)

Cabinet and Cabinet committee records
Disposal or storage

8.89 By convention, Ministers are permitted to retain personal copies of Cabinet records on leaving office. The documents,
however, are not their personal property. The licence to retain Cabinet records continues only for a Minister’s lifetime, after which the records should be returned to Archives New Zealand

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MORE BACKGROUND INFORMATION!

http://techliberty.org.nz/gcsbs-new-powers-for-wide-spread-spying-on-new-zealanders/
GCSB’s new powers for wide-spread spying on New Zealanders
Posted on June 9, 2013

There have recently been a number of revelations about the US government spying on its citizenry and other people around the world (a good summary). Many people have been shocked to find out the extent of the US’s spying and access into theoretically private systems.

What many New Zealanders don’t realise is that the NZ government is currently changing both the GCSB Act of 2003 and the Telecommunications Interception Capability Act of 2004 to allow similar levels of access to New Zealand communications for the GCSB (Government Communications Security Bureau).

Current law

The current TICA law already gives the GCSB, Police or SIS the technical capability to intercept all NZ communications if they have a valid warrant.

The GCSB can get warrants to spy on the communications of foreign people and organisations, although they can spy without a warrant if it doesn’t require the installation of any device (e.g. wireless/satellite/radio/mobile).

TICS – Telecommunications Interception Capability and Security Bill

The new TICS Bill clarifies and expands on these interception capabilities. It also allows them to be extended to service providers (people who offer “goods, services, equipment, and facilities that enable or facilitate telecommunication”) such as email providers, Trademe forums, Mega, etc.

TICS continues the existing regime where these interception powers can only be accessed with a valid warrant, but keep reading for the new exceptions to this in the GCSB Bill.

Furthermore, the TICS Bill also creates a new role for the GCSB, ensuring the security of New Zealand’s telecommunications infrastructure. This includes wide powers of oversight and control of how communications networks are managed and implemented in order to “protect New Zealand’s national security or economic wellbeing”.
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GCSB – Government Communications Security Bureau and Related Legislation Amendment William BrownThe new GCSB Bill gives the GCSB three purposes (we’ll come back to these):

8A – Information assurance and cybersecurity. (Expanded from protecting government communications to a much wider responsibility for New Zealand’s communications.)
8B – Intelligence gathering, analysis and sharing. (Similar to the existing law except that it adds “gathering information about information infrastructures” to the existing spying on foreign people/organisations.)
8C – Helping the Police, SIS and Defence Force by providing advice and assistance in helping them execute their own legally obtained warrants. (This is entirely new.)
The bill doesn’t significantly change how the GCSB can apply for an interception or search warrant, but it does add a whole new class of “access authorisation”. To quote section 15A(1)( b)

The Director may apply in writing to the Minister for the issue of an access authorisation authorising the accessing of 1 or more specified information infrastructures or classes of information infrastructures that the Bureau cannot otherwise lawfully access.

These authorisations are granted at the whim of the Minister (although see below) and are incredibly wide-ranging and open-ended. There are no recommendations of limits (other than what the Minister sees fit to impose) and there is no automatic expiry. And just in case you thought that the TICA/TICS law might provide some protection, the GCSB Bill goes on to add section 15A(5):

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http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/BU1306/S00357/industry-groups-concerned-at-prism-implications.htm
Industry groups concerned at PRISM implications.

Wednesday, 12 June 2013, 9:10 am
Press Release: Internet NZ

Industry groups concerned at PRISM implications. Call for TICSA/GCSB Bills submission extension.

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Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner
2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate
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June 13, 2013 3:53pm
Left Right and Centre

I want to find Mr Whippy and sink the Titanic, if you know what I’m sayin’

I love the internet…. I don’t even know how or why I ended up at Mr Whippy. WTF??
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June 13, 2013 3:58pm
Kea

axeman, you missed one.

Further study is required = I want more money/funding.

It is amazing how the earths climate follows the $$$ 🙂
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June 13, 2013 3:59pm
Pete George

Here’s a curve ball from the Electoral Commission – they will only accept member numbers from United Future if they receive the original of a signed declaration.

This proof of membership is valid across all parties. Parties only have to sign an annual declaration that they have enough members, but to comply and be included in the count they must be legitimate members. Online only members don’t count.

It’s possible parties have inadvertently used an invalid member count.

Electoral Commission curve ball – all parties beware!
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June 13, 2013 4:50pm
nasska

Reddy

….”Yet there Singapore stands. Civilised and without a safety net.”…..

You are full of shit.

Housing is heavily subsidised, and is made available to low income applicants on a sliding price scale.

Mortgages even for unsubsidised purchasers are financed at less than 1%.

At the ground floor of most housing schemes are markets and food centres, where vendors enjoy heavily discounted rent in order to provide meals for $3-4.

A doctors visit is $17 including medication. Surgery at government hospitals is also priced similarly.
….Acknowledgement for the above to ‘exile’ Jun 5….

There are 400,000 low income workers on “workfare” which effectively subsidises low paid employees So, although there is no minimum wage the “STATE” subsidises those whose wages are subsistance or below. This is set at $1300 to $2000/month according to the number of dependants & is means tested. (just like WFF)

Even then there’s an official unemployment rate (Dec 2012) of 1.9%

There are (means tested) benefits available. There’s no unemployment benefit system dedicated to helping the unemployed. They can, however get financial assistance from the “STATE” via the Public Assistance Scheme, Interim (short term) Financial Assistance, Rent & Utilitities Financial Scheme &Medifund. Ref: http://www.legco.gov.hk/yr99-00/english/sec/library/e17.pdf
How much different from that offered by WINZ & free Public Hospitals?

Government, the “STATE”, also funds job training, course fee subsidisation,counseling & job data bank services. (Just like WINZ).

So much for for the absense of welfare safety nets. Take out the DPB, (which should never be other than short term even in NZ) & there’s a nicely functioning welfare state hiding under other names.

To save me wasting more valuable time researching government policy in far off lands, in future the default setting will be a presumption that you are lying through your teeth.
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June 13, 2013 6:37pm
Shunda barunda

There’s more evidence of Homo fascism emerging since the state sanctioned hurt feelings marriage redefinition law was passed.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10889897

Turns out the Homo fascists are demanding NZ Rugby either supports them or be damned to hell!!

What a bunch of precious thin skinned morons.

Even if though those guys were doing something others may see as distasteful, you gotta laugh at the hypocricy and precious nature of the objections. Hero parade anyone?

Welcome to the permanent state sanctioned human rights agenda based on nothing but hurt friggin feelings.

I TOLD YOU SO.
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June 13, 2013 6:56pm
mikenmild

Yes, because the right to loudly call peple faggots in public is a precious liberty. As usual, the Civilian has got this one:
http://www.thecivilian.co.nz/negro-beating-just-part-of-the-game-rugby-fan-told/
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June 13, 2013 7:17pm
Kea

mikenmild, people who want the armed state to restrict freedom of speech are the most dangerous and damaging people on earth. Any one who is that concerned about being called names should be treated with well earned contempt and derision.

There is either freedom of expression or there is not. There is not middle ground. If you want to restrict somethings the first problem you have is on what basis and who decides ?. People who claim it on the grounds of being “offended” are always sacks of shit and should be treated as such. Those people are behind most of the restrictions on our freedoms now days.
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June 13, 2013 7:30pm
mikenmild

Not quite that black and white is it. I think there is language and behaviour that can be sanctioned as offensive. In this case I wouldn’t see it as a police matter, but Eden Park as a good host should have booted out these loud-mouthed bullies.
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June 13, 2013 7:42pm
Redbaiter

To save me wasting more valuable time researching government policy in far off lands,

Yes, I agree you shouldn’t wate your time seeking out crap that proves nothing other than that you do not understand the issue. Liek every other bigoted Singapore hater here, and just like your bigoted hatred of Christianity, you can’t see further than the red haze that floods your eyeballs any time you discuss either item. Fucking sick old bald headed toke smoking hippy derelict.

GDP per capita Singapore $60,900

GDP per capita NZ $28,800

Unemployment Singapore 2%

Unemployment NZ 6.5%

Budget expenditures Singapore $39.97 billion

Budget expenditures NZ $72.71 billion

Tax as rate of GDP Singapore 15.4%

Tax as rate of GDP NZ 37.5%

Social welfare payments Singapore $2 billion

Social welfare payments NZ $26 million

As usual baldy, you don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about.

All of these differences can be sheeted home to the fact that NZ is a corrupt and crime ridden and slowly dying 1940s Marxist/ socialist welfare state whilst Singapore is a commercially focused productive and civilised 21st century economy.
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June 13, 2013 7:58pm
Shunda barunda

but Eden Park as a good host should have booted out these loud-mouthed bullies.

I agree, those lesbians definitely should have been given their marching orders.

If the loud mouthed males were bothering other more reasonable folk and didn’t tone it down after being asked nicely, they should have been next.
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June 13, 2013 7:58pm
nasska

A priest is taking a walk in Jerusalem. On a big square, loads of people are gathering and he asks one of the locals why there are so many people there.

‘Oh’, the guy says, ‘in a moment there will be a procession with camels and naked boys riding them’

‘Great’, the priest says, ‘then I’ll wait a moment! I haven’t seen camels for ages’
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June 13, 2013 8:00pm
mikenmild

Canings in Singapore 2011 = 2318
Canings in New Zealand 2011 = 0
Executions in Singapore 2011 = 4
Executions in New Zealand 2011 = 0
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