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Johnboy

I wish you would stop picking on world renowned scientists like Griff slijmbal! 🙂
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May 9, 2013 9:28pm
Johnboy

“I went down this morning to sign up my Dog for welfare.”

Most of us reasonable blokes are happy to support our wives when they are a bit short of cash PEB! 🙂
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May 9, 2013 9:32pm
Griff

JB
I told them in a prior post that this shit gives me cognitive dissonance. I dont have the learning or maths to truly understand it. My posts have drifted into anarchy since the cognitive dissonance of thinking about it upset my equilibrium.
The concepts we have in our reality of space time dont apply.

I think I grasp the structure of the argument and can conceptualize this multiuniverse thingy.
Another smoke will probably help. 😆
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May 9, 2013 9:46pm
Johnboy

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=peter+whittall&hl=en&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=bHCLUZzdHsSBkQX14YGQBQ&sqi=2&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1107&bih=600

Father.

http://www.google.co.nz/search?q=aaron+gilmore&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=vnCLUdbiNY79lAX47YD4BA&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAQ&biw=1107&bih=600

And son! 🙂
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May 9, 2013 9:48pm
Johnboy

No sweat Griff.

If Einstein had taken a few more tokes the old bastard would have cracked his grand unified theory! 🙂
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May 9, 2013 9:51pm
itstricky

NZ Teachers Council insist learners are now ‘akonga

Don’t post that Ansell b*. He is personally responsible for a lot of hurt and anger.

In case you missed it there is nothing in any publications that says that teachers must refer to any of their class as any particular word at all. Stop letting him brainwash you and think for yourself instead of parroting claptrap.
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May 9, 2013 10:11pm
Griff

slijmbal

e=mc2 is utterly irrelevant in this context: my maths is real bad can you give me a figure for energy or mass if light is going faster than c as it passes the event horizon?.Of course it cant actually do that according to relativity yet it can it not go fast enough to leave the event horizon.

And yes I failed totally in all aspects its Hawkins and it is not dark radiation it is em it is just undetectable has no information about it source and also does some really neat tricks with reality when its generated and were it actually comes from. none of this is even settled science as you know and you are no more right than me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_singularity

the initial state of the universe, at the beginning of the Big Bang, was a singularity. Both general relativity and quantum mechanics break down in describing the Big Bang,[4] but in general, quantum mechanics does not permit particles to inhabit a space smaller than their wavelengths.[5] Another type of singularity predicted by general relativity is inside a black hole: any star collapsing beyond a certain point (the Schwarzschild radius) would form a black hole, inside which a singularity (covered by an event horizon) would be formed, as all the matter would flow into a certain point(or a circular line, if the black hole is rotating).[6] This is again according to general relativity without quantum mechanics, which forbids wavelike particles entering a space smaller than their wavelength. These hypothetical singularities are also known as curvature singularities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation note my explanation was as corrected as any
A slightly more precise, but still much simplified, view of the process is that vacuum fluctuations cause a particle-antiparticle pair to appear close to the event horizon of a black hole. One of the pair falls into the black hole whilst the other escapes. In order to preserve total energy, the particle that fell into the black hole must have had a negative energy (with respect to an observer far away from the black hole). By this process, the black hole loses mass, and, to an outside observer, it would appear that the black hole has just emitted a particle. In another model, the process is a quantum tunneling effect, whereby particle-antiparticle pairs will form from the vacuum, and one will tunnel outside the event horizon.[11]

An important difference between the black hole radiation as computed by Hawking and thermal radiation emitted from a black body is that the latter is statistical in nature, and only its average satisfies what is known as Planck’s law of black body radiation, while the former fits the data better. Thus thermal radiation contains information about the body that emitted it, while Hawking radiation seems to contain no such information, and depends only on the mass, angular momentum, and charge of the black hole (the no-hair theorem). This leads to the black hole information paradox.

Read the first post on multi universe its quite fascinating
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May 9, 2013 10:32pm
Johnboy

Amazing how a puff can tune up a folks cut and paste! 🙂
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May 9, 2013 10:41pm
RightNow

Ham bone, real ham bone
http://www.dynamicpet.net/wp-content/uploads/real-ham-bone.jpg
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May 9, 2013 10:41pm
slijmbal

@Griff

you continue your cut and paste fest without any understanding at all – not a good sign for such an amazing AGW aficionado like yourself.

The simple version is that a photon is a massless particle as working through the equations shows it has a rest mass of zero otherwise it would have infinite mass at the speed of light, however a photon will have momentum but suffice to say you don’t use E =mc2 when taking about photons. The real equation is E=pc for photons from memory – shoot me if I’m wrong.

The term singularity refers to ANY situation where we don’t actually get the physics – the theories don’t really apply at the singularity – a black hole is one form of a singularity that is different from the current theories of the big bang – it does not mean there was a black hole there. It is a DIFFERENT type of singularity.

All the other crap you pasted had absolutely no relevance to this discussion.

You are obviously have the scientific knowledge of my cats.

On the bright side this means AGW is obviously false.
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May 9, 2013 11:14pm
Griff

And what the fuck is the pulley thing
If you are going to try lifting 100 kg with a 100 kg rope keep me well away from it
The maximum static force the man on the ground can exert with his mass is 100kg

its a one to one system other than friction 100kg on both sides =200kg at the fitting for the pulley still only 100kg for each side of the rope
you need two pulleys to multiply force
if it was me it would be spectra -ball bearing races with clutches and at lest four to one and 1000Kg rating.

Your obvious lack of understanding is impressive for some one who claims more than a total layman knowledge.

Best not to drop and run because you cant hide and i will pester you for your admittance that you the expert are no more or less right than me the layman

a singularity is a point.
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May 9, 2013 11:15pm
slijmbal

keep on toking griff
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May 9, 2013 11:18pm
RightNow

“And what the fuck is the pulley thing”
Are you talking about the post from last week? Send me some of that weed fella.
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May 9, 2013 11:23pm
RightNow

“The real equation is E=pc for photons”

E= planck’s constant x speed of light / wavelength (of the light)

Your recollection is true only if p = planck’s constant/ wavelength of the light. Not sure if that is the case. I should probably shoot you just in case.
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May 9, 2013 11:32pm
Griff

The real equation is E=pc for photons from memory.

Agreed we are discussing theoretical science that is way over my and your head.’

c is the thing that breaks down. how can light be constant when hypothetically shining light out from the event horizon will go past you into the hole. and if you could be lowered into the horizon and shine light out it would never escape yet move directly away from you at c

equations that use c as a consent no longer work within a black hole. hence e=mc2 dies inside the event horizon the singularity is not in our universe and does not understand our universes laws

read my link posted in physics.org this month..

New Oxford University research builds on the ‘cosmological natural selection hypothesis’ – an idea first put forward in the 1990s to explain the apparent ‘fine-tuning’ of the universe’s basic parameters to allow for the existence of atoms, galaxies, and life itself.

Cosmological natural selection proposes that, if new universes are born inside black holes, a ‘multiverse’ of many possible universes could be shaped by a process similar to natural selection so that successive generations of universes evolve to become better at making black holes.

Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-05-universe-evolve-black-holes.html#jCp
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May 9, 2013 11:36pm
RightNow

The energy of a red photon differs from that of a blue photon.
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May 9, 2013 11:48pm
Griff

Fuck me slijmbal
you are keen as to have a piece
you have failed
An event horizon is the point at which no object could escape from a black hole as the escape velocity equals the speed of light – it does not have a centre. Everything ‘below’ the event horizon is ‘stuck’ inside the black hole.

No the singularity inside the event horizon defined as a single point or a circular line

The current Big Bang theory absolutely requires no black hole in fact it requires that there is no black hole at the point of the Big Bang.

Not according to the paper in physics seems that pushes the opposite view dont blame me for your cog dis over this

A singularity = a black hole ‘evaporates’ owing to quantum theory and the ‘indeterminacy’ this provides at the event horizon and emits electromagnetic radiation.

I dont debate that a black hole can evaporate due to black body radiation if its mass is low enough for black body radiation to over come the background radiation.

Dark energy (as is dark matter) is postulated to explain why several measurements indicate there is a lot more mass around than we can currently measure. No-one has actually got any dark energy or matter at the moment to point at it and prove it exists. Dark energy is not emitted by black holes according to current theories.

Yes my explanation of dark energy was remiss

Two right one none knows one technically wrong

keep going dude you aint winning and are wrong more often than me.

As i said trying to visualize this shit causes cog dis

and my debate over agw is more the logic fails in wingnuts conspiracy

which by the tone of your attack is your motivation not my explanation of balckhole multi universe theory
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May 10, 2013 12:22am
Griff

Hope fully you will have the fortitude to revisit this next week
your
slijmbal (970) Says:
May 9th, 2013 at 9:25 pm

Hawking radiation not Hawkins as you called it is em radiation and your cut and paste matches what I said and not what you earlier posted. Black holes are hairy as Hawking said, assuming he is correct.

There are wingnut suggestions that Hawking radiation is the magic dark energy but no decent theories to support it.

No cut and paste or referring to sources only my own words from memory to this point. black holes are not hairy both hairy and non hairy are discussed in the literature postulations on dark matter and energy exist I was wrong about the specifics of the emitted radiation right about the process of its generation and potential hypothetical evaporation

your reference to e=mc2 is utterly irrelevant in this context.

No the effects of on the speed of light c are the point illustrated the collapse of space time same as when you attempted to use e=pc

everything inside the event horizon is the singularity – not some magic point in side. It is called a singularity because there is a discontinuity at the event horizon and it is unclear what physical laws apply below the event horizon.

The event horizon is not physically the contents of a black hole it is the point were gravity is sufficient to stop the escape of light. the singularity at its center is a single point or circular line. Its not magic it just not “here” inside our space time

Your obvious lack of understanding is impressive.

is a just a little rude when yours is worse
you claim expert I claim layman seems this layman is more right than you
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May 10, 2013 1:51am
Manolo

UKIP’s no so subtle influence: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/borisjohnson/10046990/Boris-Johnson-leaving-Europe-a-shot-in-the-arm-for-democracy.html
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