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May 3, 2013 8:00am by Kokila Patel

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dime

“My post was aimed at initiating a counter to the “superprofits” nonsense with an equally nonsensical “supersocialist”, although the Green ideal might go close to the latter.

So unlike your petty pissiness I’m pushing a more powerful debate. Each to our own.”

umm all you said was:

“The battle for power – electrical and political – seems to be Superprofits versus Supersocialism.”

thats really going to inspire debate.

every day you try to frame the debate. everyday you #fail
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May 3, 2013 11:10am
hmmokrightitis

LMAO, thanks griff at 1053, you’ve made my day.

Out-polled by a blank. Ah Ms Not-So, so proud, so very very proud you must be…
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May 3, 2013 11:10am
graham

niggly: You’re quite right. Sometimes Penny will deign to reply, but most times she does indeed “dump and run”, which raises yet ANOTHER question for Penny:

Why do you expect people to vote for you as mayor, when you (based on your performance here) you would be an unbelievably arrogant mayor who would simply refuse to answer any questions you didn’t like? I’ve asked you several quite genuine questions in the past which you have simply refused to answer.
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May 3, 2013 11:11am
Lance

At LRC

So stabbing someone in the chest (in the heart) is not an intent to kill?

Whatever you are smoking.. can I have some?
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May 3, 2013 11:12am
liarbors a joke

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/8628487/Z-Energy-reports-solid-profit

“Z Energy chief executive Mike Bennetts said operating profit was showing a solid improvement in a ”highly competitive market”. ”

LMFAO ! What cloud does this guy live on. ” Highly competitive ” ? ..in New Zealand ?
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May 3, 2013 11:12am
niggly

@ Graham – delicious …

I can see it now, Penny campaigning, TV3 cameras rolling …. meanwhile kiwibloggers turn up with placards and Minto’s megaphone “we want answers Penny, give us answers, not slogans” etc.
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May 3, 2013 11:15am
Pete George

Funny dime. I simply add my two bobs worth where I see fit. The debates alway take their own course, as far as I know most of us are free willed individuals.

You and a few others keep trying to frame me but I think most will see that for what it is.

Perhaps you could turn your attention to inspiring debate on something that matters. But maybe that’s not why you comment here, you seem more intent on personal attacks and diverting debate.
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May 3, 2013 11:17am
Manolo

It hasn’t gone unnoticed. Given his long absence from KB, is Aaron Gilmore davincimode’s real name?
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May 3, 2013 11:23am
joana

Manolo,
Are the Turkish men still allowed to wear red lipstick? I thought so.
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May 3, 2013 11:36am
kowtow

J stephenson re plebgate / blue team.
Gilmore “blue team”, more like pink team,along with Williamson ,the leadership and half the caucus.

Hardly a true blue in sight.
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May 3, 2013 11:44am
iMP

What Aaron Gilmore SHOULD say, now, quickly. An apology template 101.
http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/how-to-apologise-without-being-cleese/
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May 3, 2013 11:55am
kowtow

Advertising Hypocrits Authority.

Rivulets of bullshit.

Once again modern taboo (womens’ issues) protected while traditional values ,Catholic sensibilities are told to go fuck themselves.Hahahaha just a bit of humour,lighten up etc

Too much sex for unrelated issue…..titties are taboo with burgers.

While the Pope , homosexual marriage and fucken mobile phones is OK??????
Same with Redbull ad and confession of “been with loose woman”.Where’s the connexion?
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May 3, 2013 12:01pm
hj

david (2,287) Says:

hj on roading – you really miss the obvious when talking about user-pays for roads. The person who sits at home, doesn’t have a car and never goes out is still a road user. Unless they can survive on water, electricity and a telephone line, almost every single thing they consume has a road transport component. To say that car owners are getting subsidised is a load of horseshit and a total red herring attractive only to shallow thinkers and sub-intellectual twats.
……………..
but doesn’t the person who sits at home pay for the road use in the charges for goods and services?

I don’t see how you think you have disproved that roading is heavily subsidised and in particular a model of suburban expansion all connected by an inefficient system* of private automobiles.

*mass and energy required per load.
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May 3, 2013 12:10pm
Left Right and Centre

Lance 11:12 am You’ve got it- not necessarily. Depends on the knife… that’s one thing.

There’s been cases where someone has died after being punched. I’m sure the person throwing the punch didn’t intend to kill the victim. You’re likely to kill someone stabbing them in the chest… good chance. It’s not 100% guaranteed. It’s likely someone has survived such an attack. People survive all kinds of shit.

And can you swear they intended to kill the victim?

And I don’t smoke anything. Sorry mate. You know… retards that stab people aren’t the brightest. It’s therefore believable that they really didn’t intend to kill them. It’s entirely possible they did intend to. They don’t think- that’s the problem.

And unless someone happened to have been there to see it… and even then… hard to prove what someone’s intention was or wasn’t. Intention is distinct from ‘should have known was likely to kill by stabbing in chest’.
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May 3, 2013 12:12pm
Griff

kowtow
“True blue” is presently having an affair with a party of the left called Colin Gwaigs conservative socialist party.
It seems hatred of bum sex has driven the true supporters to abandon the principles of freedom, free market and limited government over whether Bridget and kate can marry.
Apparently your new moto is now.
If you run you will only be sodomized tired.
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May 3, 2013 12:23pm
Lance

So LRC
Should the clinically stupid be forced to write an acknowledgement at school (or somewhere) that they understand that if they stab someone in the chest they will be judged that they intend to kill them?

You seem to asserting the plausible defense of rank stupidity.
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May 3, 2013 12:39pm
kowtow

gwiiff

Keep staring at that souwce of planetawy warmth,the Sun,it’s cleawly fwying what passes for your bwain.
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May 3, 2013 1:03pm
dime

R.I.P Jeff Hanneman

49 years old. Liver failure
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May 3, 2013 1:06pm
cha

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http://youtu.be/YHsTkPOokuk
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May 3, 2013 1:08pm
Griff

Kowtow
So how will you vote true blue supporter? will you be chucking all your principles out of the cot over Sue and Kate or Mike and Ken getting married?
All this fuss over a few weddings.
You denial rubes claim to read the daily mail* for its science content 😉
Its just so you can read the inanity of its celeb gossip.

*http://climatecrocks.com/2012/10/15/another-daily-mail-fail-met-office-politely-says-bugger-off-you-bloody-blithering-barmpot/
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May 3, 2013 1:16pm
dime

“Funny dime. I simply add my two bobs worth where I see fit”

i wasnt talking about your usual boring posts. its your daily link that bugs a lot of us.

do the standard let you link whore?
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May 3, 2013 1:23pm
Right of way is Way of Right

Meanwhile, from the file entitled “The Law of Unintended Consequences” we look at Mayor Len Browns free entry policy for council owned swimming pools and we find….

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10881233

Now how much are we as ratepayers being screwed out of to meet Loony Lens policy here? What income stream is being passed on in order to meet this?
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May 3, 2013 2:07pm
freemark

jaba@10:44 am.

Jacquelyne Taylor, a part time Waiheke resident & full time shit stirrer who seems to suffer from honesty-o-phobia and with a huge dose of typical lefty hypocrisy thrown in. She is a house honky and appears to suck from the public tit with some kind of “advocacy” service for the rent-a-crowd & various other perpetual victims. She nearly burst a boiler when I referred to Miss Dimsum as “batshit’ on the local FB lefty hate group.. (WIPP btw) Interestingly enough the ‘leader’ of this FB Group (European refugee, gay WM) boasts of lunches & meetings with the SheBeast when she is back in town directing the Labour Party. The red/greens are, I believe, generally working from a sophisticated manual on Social Media strategy & propaganda, some of us are countering that effectively but everyone needs to watchful, vigilant & active.. for the sake of the country.
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May 3, 2013 2:09pm
kowtow

right of way

Your swimming pools proves Churchill’s statement

‘Socialism is a philosophy of failure,the creed of ignorance and the gospel of eny,its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery’
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May 3, 2013 2:22pm
Manolo

Colonialism is responsible (again): http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10881342
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May 3, 2013 2:32pm
freemark

Manolo (9,678) Says:
May 3rd, 2013 at 2:32 pm
Colonialism is responsible (again): http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10881342

Actually, marksmanship & attitude is responsible.. 8″ higher and to one side (depending on which shoulder he was hit in) and we would have been saved a lot of trouble.
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May 3, 2013 3:12pm
publicwatchdog

When is NZ Prime Minister John Key going to stand down John Banks as a Minister?

National MP Aaron Gilmore isn’t facing Court proceedings – unlike Minister John Banks ………………..

Open Letter to the NZ Solicitor-General, Michael Heron – please confirm that you will intervene as Prosecutor in the John Banks alleged electoral fraud proceedings:

3 May 2013

Open Letter to the NZ Solicitor-General, Michael Heron:

Dear Solicitor-General,

http://www.crownlaw.govt.nz/uploads/prosecution_guidelines.pdf

The ‘Evidential’ and ‘Public Interest’ tests as outlined in s6 of the Crown Law Prosecution Guidelines, have arguably been met in the decision of Wellington District Court Judge Mill on 16 April 2013, in the matter of Graham Edward McCready (Informant) vs John Archibald Banks (Defendant) CRI – 2012-085-0009093 and CRI – 2012- 085- 007894:

Judge Mill’s decision is available here:
http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Banks-summoned-on-election-return-19-4-13.pdf

Both myself and Lisa Prager, made formal complaints to the NZ Police over this matter, as outlined below, in this reply, dated 26 July 2012:

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Bright-Letter.pdf

” COMPLAINT REGARDING HONOURABLE JOHN BANKS – MAYORAL ELECTIONS RETURN – FILE NO: 120427/9334 REFERS

On 27 April 2012, you made a complaint to the Auckland City Police requesting they investigate reports regarding the Hon. John Archibald Banks, CNZM QSO, that he submitted a false donation return in respect to the Auckland City Council Mayoral election 2010 .

Specifically the letter of complaint referred to two donations in question:

1. A $15,000.00 donation allegedly made by Sky City to the former Auckland City Mayor John Banks which did not show up as a donation in the return .

2. A donation of “Anonymous- radio ads” .

On Monday 30 April 2012 you made a further complaint in respect to the election expenses donation return by Mr John Banks. Your complaint referred to media articles by Campbell Live (27 April 2012) and the New Zealand Herald (28 April 2012) that discussed donations allegedly made by Mr Dotcom to Mr Banks for his mayoral campaign .

In both complaints you allege that if the articles were correct then Mr Banks had breached the Local Electoral Act 2001 in that a candidate commits an offence who transmits a return of electoral expenses knowing that it is false in any material particular….”

The NZ Police chose not to prosecute.

The significant and ongoing ‘public interest’ in this case is arguably referenced in the following article in today’s NZ Herald:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10881226

Loss in court would cost Banks seat
By Isaac Davison @Isaac_Davison
5:30 AM Friday May 3, 2013
_______________________________________________________

Lisa Prager and myself, Penny Bright, hereby support the following Memorandum of Informant, dated 29 April 2013:

Referral to Solicitor-General to Intervene as Prosecutor

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/John-Banks-referral-to-Solicitor-General.pdf

Please be reminded of the following statutory provision of the Local Electoral Act 2001:

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/2001/0035/latest/DLM93437.html

6Act binds Crown
This Act binds the Crown.

Please confirm at your earliest convenience that Crown Law will do their best to ensure that ‘justice is done and is seen to be done’, and ensure that the principle of ‘one law for all’, equally applies to sitting Ministers of the Crown, by intervening as Prosecutor in this above-mentioned proceeding.

Yours sincerely,

Penny Bright

…………

Lisa Prager

…………….
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May 3, 2013 4:36pm
graham

When is Penny going to stop being so arrogant and simply refuse to answer any questions she doesn’t like?

And she wants to be a mayor?
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May 3, 2013 4:44pm
RRM

Redbaiter (2,762) Says:
May 3rd, 2013 at 8:15 am

He couldn’t stop himself.

Not even for one day.

😆 LOL – who are you? And why the fuck would anyone listen to your instructions not to post comments on Kiwiblog?

(I thought you denounced Kiwiblog as a far left sewer on your own site, and claimed you seldom visit here any more? What happened to that huh?)
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May 3, 2013 4:51pm
RRM

Open letter to “Kiwibloggers”:

How could Aucklanders voting in the upcoming local body elections possibly have confidence in a Mayoralty candidate such as Penny Bright who

(a) Considers herself above paying Auckland Council rates, on some obscure matter of principle;

(b) Spends an inordinate amount of time in court pursuing private prosecutions of other politicians she has an axe to grind with;

(c) Is herself before the courts on various trespass charges;

(d) Is such an unhinged far left loon that even the smelly protestors of Occupy Auckland kicked her out and consider her something of a bad joke?

Sincerely;

RRM

Ratepayer: (not in arrears) South Wairarapa District Council
Attendee: Anika Moa’s Carterton gig – the one that was moved from Masterton because the church there doesn’t like homosexuals
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May 3, 2013 4:59pm
slijmbal

Did my MRP application this afternoon. Waited to see what the predicted effects on the listing price were before deciding the amount to invest.

I would like to officially thank Labour/Greens for pushing the price down. They don’t dare do what they are proposing if they get in as they would get voted out for a decade and they know it.

Must say best organised IPO I’ve been involved with – very well put together – kudos to whomever set it up
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May 3, 2013 5:00pm
Sidey

graham at 4:44 pm
When is Penny going to stop being so arrogant and simply refuse to answer any questions she doesn’t like?

And she wants to be a mayor?

Vote her in. Give her what she wants. Two reasons:

1. I don’t live in Auckland so it’ll be a hoot.
2. By morning tea there will be a stack of reports on her desk, all requiring a decision affecting ratepayers. She’ll be stuffed.

Wombles like Half-a-Penny Bright can only function outside the tent. No theory ever gets tested, no reasoning needs to be justified. I suspect every town has it’s resident Penny, it’s just that most of them haven’t discovered this blog. Dunedin’s is actually on the council. All you hear from him is no to this, that & everything else. Of course, he may actually be correct occasionally, in the way that a stopped watch is right twice a day, but no-one really takes any notice. So I always vote for him. One day he might just have to actually make decisions. Then he’ll crash & burn & fade away.

Not that Penny reads any of this of course. As others have speculated, I suspect she pulls over to GD just long enough to let the cats disembark to urinate over the post, then load ’em back in & fire up the broomstick.
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May 3, 2013 5:10pm
jaba

I think freemarks description of Jacqueline Taylor (Penny’s mini me)is spot on
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May 3, 2013 5:22pm
Nostradamus

Open letter to Penny Bright:

1. You’ve asked the Solicitor-General to “intervene as Prosecutor” in the private prosecution proceedings brought against John Banks by Graham McCready. One would normally assume that McCready, having commenced the proceedings, would be keen to see the matter through to the end. So why are you desperately asking the Solicitor-General to “intervene” in those proceedings? Surely not because that would mean the Solicitor-General (which effectively means all taxpayers) would pay the prosecution side of the legal bill for the rest of the proceedings? Is that too cynical a view?

2. You’ve chosen to align herself with Graham McCready. Are you aware that his track record includes making false tax returns (convicted in 2009) and blackmail (pleaded guilty on the day his trial was to have started)? Do you see that as consistent with your equally dodgy track record (which includes refusing to pay rates)?
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May 3, 2013 6:01pm
Nostradamus

The dream job for Pete George: comment moderator for Fairfax Media

For every comment I read, more than 1000 every day, I need to think: “How do I justify publishing/rejecting this comment?” The online editors and others sometimes ask me to explain my decisions. In short, I have to be as consistent as possible and always impartial. Commenters trust me to judge their comments on their merits; I can’t let them down. My aim is to be firm, fair and fast – with an emphasis on the fair.

🙂
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May 3, 2013 6:10pm
Kea

The dream job for Pete George: comment moderator for Fairfax Media

What a pathetic creep that guy is on your link. He made my skin crawl. I would say he should be moderating childrens books. It is about his intellectual and emotional level.
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May 3, 2013 6:15pm
Pete George

You’ve got that very wrong Nostra, why the heck would I want to read 1000 comments a day without being able to dig back at the stupid ones?
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May 3, 2013 6:32pm
Kea

why the heck would I want to read 1000 comments a day

Same reason you read so many here. To instruct people on how to think on various issues.

Listening to that creepy wimp explained why the “comments” of msm are so banal. Of course they put the odd rough one in there to give the impression they are balanced. The other trick is if they get 10,000 comments against a lefty cause and 100 for a lefty cause, they allow slightly more lefty ones through and call it “balance”.
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May 3, 2013 6:39pm
Colville

When is Penny going to stop being so arrogant..?

Never.

Which is why she is utterly ignored.
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May 3, 2013 6:47pm
nasska

I showed this to my nearest & dearest but regrettably she didn’t seem to appreciate the message behind the picture. 🙂

Ref: https://www.dropbox.com/s/6to8g64exydsihv/0AWi3Jl.jpg
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May 3, 2013 7:17pm
Griff

Which is why she is utterly ignored.

I just hope the “ignoring” does not reach the hysterical cacophony of “ignoring” inflicted on Magpie.
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May 3, 2013 7:19pm
Elaycee

@nasska: If you’re thinking of breakfast in bed tomorrow morning, I suspect you’ll be the one making it! 😀
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May 3, 2013 7:57pm
nasska

The Islamic world was thrown into confusion today after a handwritten note from Mohammed was discovered.

It turns out that the Halal tradition of slitting the throats of animals only arose out of confusion over the prophet’s complaint that, “Young Muslim farm-boys seem to be spending far too much time choking the chicken.”
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May 3, 2013 8:00pm
nasska

Sadly, I think you’re right Elaycee. 🙂
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May 3, 2013 8:02pm
Judith

@David Garrett

David, not sure if you are around – interested in your take on this one.

Has the 22 months been added to the original sentence, breach of parole, or is it a new sentence for the photos etc of the little girl? If it is not the latter, then it appears he has not actually been charged/sentenced on that issue. The report is not clear of exactly what the charges were. I would be interested to know.

Your opinion? 22 mths????

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/134245/sex-offender-back-in-jail-after-parole-breach
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May 3, 2013 8:11pm
Viking2

Another Great Idea for DPF to spruike.

Most sexist show ever? Danish television shows women stripping in front of men who critique their bodies

http://www.couriermail.com.au/entertainment/tv/most-sexist-show-ever-danish-television-shows-women-stripping-in-front-of-men-who-critique-their-bodies/story-fncaks2k-1226634338647
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May 3, 2013 8:51pm
hj

hj (3,691) Says:
May 3rd, 2013 at 8:32 am

Global carbon dioxide levels near worrisome milestone
http://www.nature.com/news/global-carbon-dioxide-levels-near-worrisome-milestone-1.12900
Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 10
…………………
anyone else want to give Nature the down tick?
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May 3, 2013 9:01pm
Johnboy

http://www.nzonscreen.com/title/a-dogs-show-1981

Far sexier V2! 🙂
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May 3, 2013 9:07pm
nasska

https://www.dropbox.com/s/1ytpqfov09dor19/Sheep%2014.jpg
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May 3, 2013 9:14pm
Left Right and Centre

Lance 12:39 pm That’s a very good idea Lance. Education starts in the home too.

Life skills- morals- behaviour- actions- consequences. A lot of people don’t receive any advice or education about life and how to think and behave. So that’s a very good idea. If the fella had had good people in his life that could have brought him up according to a positive set of values and beliefs etc then it’s highly likely the incident would never have happened.

It doesn’t excuse the act itself… in the end it doesn’t make a lot of difference.

It’s a bit too simplistic to say ‘mate, you parked a knife in his heart… you wanted to kill him, clearly’. Really?

Look at the description of the altercation. Road rage. What did the bloke in the car do? He stopped to do what exactly? There was a confrontation. There’s adrenaline. There’s the heat of the moment.

It’s a road rage incident for fuck sake mate… have a think about it. Did the lowlife Robinson really stand there and think ‘I definitely want to kill this tosser. I want him dead. I don’t care about being locked up.’ He might’ve, but I highly doubt it. Not many people really want to kill someone else. He would have to have been thinking…’this fuckwit disrespected me with his driving and now he’d in my face. He deserves to die for that’. That’s extreme. It’s unlikely he thought that and as I said… it’s unlikely he’s thinking about his actions ahead of time. It would’ve just happened fast and that’s it.

Whatever Robinson’s background and mentality etc it doesn’t excuse the act and myself I’d put him away for a good long time. For me it’s got nothing to do with the effect of whether he intended to kill or not on the sentence… but it’s rationally conceivable that Robinson didn’t intend his victim to die. The whole thing happened out of nothing. He’d have to walk around with the mentality of…’anyone who fucks with me… I want them dead’. Really? Could be… I’m just saying… you can’t say 100% that a young man wants to end the life of another person.

I know it’s not the same but still… over the limit drink drivers don’t intend to kill anyone either. But it happens. All the time. They must’ve known it’s possible when they get behind the wheel. But then they’ve been drinking and their judgement is impaired. Shouldn’t they be given a very big stretch for manslaughter? After all.. if they took someone’s life. That’s the other end of the scale. But there’s a scale. Drink drivers are actually unlikely to kill someone per illegal trip. Stabbing a person in the chest is likely to kill them. Confusing likelihood of causing death with the psychology of intention/ motive/ situational behaviour.

Looking at life mate… honestly? I doubt that he really wanted to kill someone. He’s a fucking idiot that’s for sure. Either that or he’s a cold-blooded killer like Burton. I’m just saying you don’t know for sure. It’s not as cut and dried in my opinion.
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May 3, 2013 10:18pm
publicwatchdog

Here you go Kiwibloggers – those of you who believe in the ‘rule of law’ applying to those who ‘make the law’ – will undoubtedly be thrilled to see this BREAKING NEWS!

JOHN BANKS WILL BE APPEARING IN THE AUCKLAND DISTRICT COURT (FIRST APPEARANCE) WEDNESDAY 8 MAY AT 9AM!

Had an email from Graham McCready confirming that John Banks will be appearing in the Auckland District Court (Albert St) Wednesday 8 May 2013 at 9am.

(It has not yet been confirmed whether or not the Solicitor-General Michael Heron will ‘intervene’ in the public interest, in these proceedings.)

Penny Bright
‘Anti-corruption / anti-privatisation’ campaigner

2013 Auckland Mayoral candidate

http://www.dodgyjohnhasgone.com
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May 4, 2013 12:54am
noskire

Neo-Nazi gang trial to get under way in Germany – and expected to last TWO YEARS!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/03/beate-zschape-trial-germany-neo-nazis
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May 4, 2013 8:39pm
Kea

hj (3,705) Says:
May 3rd, 2013 at 9:01 pm
hj (3,691) Says:
May 3rd, 2013 at 8:32 am

Global carbon dioxide levels near worrisome milestone
http://www.nature.com/news/global-carbon-dioxide-levels-near-worrisome-milestone-1.12900
Vote: Thumb up 1 Thumb down 10
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anyone else want to give Nature the down tick?

It is called a “consensus” hj. Look it up.

The overwhelming majority of carbon dioxide is produced by nature. It is essential to life on earth. Look that up too.
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