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All_on_Red

I would add that half the problem of Griff and others like him reluctance to look at alternative information is because once CAGW is gone then the rational behind many of their other views just falls away. Hatred of fossil fuels being one. The Greens are especially vulnerable to this. Hence why they now lie frantically and obstinately as they wriggle to avoid their whole rational being totally ruined .
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May 30, 2013 8:16pm
Kea

How effing sick is that ?

bereal, Very sick.

I supported gay marriage because consenting adults can do what they like. If they want “equality” they can make kids the same way the rest of us do. That is real “equality”.

cossackstomper, as above, I believe in personal liberty. That includes the right not to marry same sex couples if the person conducting the ceremony does not want to.

This shit needs to be nipped in the bud.
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May 30, 2013 8:18pm
Steve (North Shore)

Cartoons depict the mood.
But Cartoons are not real you fuckwits, they are drawings, like cave drawings. History that the academics study.
Raw nerve any time now …….
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May 30, 2013 8:19pm
bereal

When we have faggots getting “married” and claiming the “right” to adopt children…….

You gotta think….

Maybe these muslims do have a point after all.
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May 30, 2013 8:21pm
Kea

Would the cartoon be “racist” if it depicted European people, and if not, why ?
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May 30, 2013 8:23pm
Griff

😆
All red stained pantys lecturing Griff on apropperate sources for evaluation of the sience behind global warming.
Ffs wingnut blog sientists and paid lobbyists vrs
Every scientific body in the world the un the word bank the wto the meteorological arms of the Usa England Canada Australia new Zealand tEurope nasa …………….the national party and last but not least the owner of this blog.
Fuckwit.
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May 30, 2013 8:24pm
nasska

bereal

I didn’t give a stuff about legislating for a few old poofs & carper munchers to get married but I’m not at all happy that they could demand open adoptions. I’m not quite as concerned with the practise as the principle since I’m led to believe that there’s only about fifty children given up for adoption in NZ each year.
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May 30, 2013 8:24pm
Kea

Griff (4,983) Says:
May 30th, 2013 at 8:24 pm

All red stained pantys lecturing Griff on apropperate sources for evaluation of the sience behind global warming.
Ffs wingnut blog sientists and paid lobbyists vrs
Every scientific body in the world the un the word bank the wto the meteorological arms of the Usa England Canada Australia new Zealand tEurope nasa …………….the national party and last but not least the owner of this blog.
Fuckwit.

Griff you must have missed my post about the findings of The chairman of the Commons Energy and Climate Change committee in the UK.

Seems he does not agree with you anymore.
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May 30, 2013 8:28pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/4947371/Theres-a-bloke-Down-Under-swears-hes-Jesus.html

Nothing to see here – I’m just being my knuckle dragging progressive self being nasty to extreme god bothers .

remember the clowns that flock to clowns like this vote FFS
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May 30, 2013 8:29pm
bereal

Kea

i too have no problem with faggots calling themselves married if thats what helps them.

You are spot on @ 8.18… regarding them having children.

Nature has spoken.

Nature said…..”Get real.”
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May 30, 2013 8:32pm
Kea

Pauleastbay, well at least this guy is an actual person and believers are not relying solely on a 2000 year old translated book written by a bunch of different people years after the events.
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May 30, 2013 8:35pm
Kea

bereal, correct. It is not about what Kea, bereal or anyone else thinks.

Nature made that rule, not us. It is very clear and not open to other interpretations.
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May 30, 2013 8:37pm
Pete George

“Would the cartoon be “racist” if it depicted European people, and if not, why ?”

Because you can only be racist against oppressed minorities. At least that’s what someone tried to tell me once.

But we all probably have some minority in us.
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May 30, 2013 8:43pm
nasska

There’s good money in this God racket Paul. Beats IT for sure, then there’s the flexible hours & not having to answer to a boss.

Anyone picked up the video rights to the crucifixion yet? 🙂
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May 30, 2013 8:43pm
Kea

Because you can only be racist against oppressed minorities. At least that’s what someone tried to tell me once.

But we all probably have some minority in us.

Pete George, yes I have heard that too, but Europeans make up around 10 % of the worlds population. Many are dirt poor and oppressed, particularly in Eastern Europe. The percentage of Europeans is declining and their culture is under threat.
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May 30, 2013 8:47pm
Pete George

Metiria Turei ‏@metiria

Dame Susan Devoy says she will investigate the racists cartton publication if enough people complain. this is the email: Infoline@hrc.co.nz

There’s more ways of playing that game. Get as many people as possible to find cartoons that they think are racist and email a complaint.
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May 30, 2013 8:54pm
Griff

1:Kea is one broken parrot not quite deceased……
2:Kea can not read more than one sentence in a 1000 plus word article.
3:Kea is a wing nut in denial
😆
All three.
What does the tommy say
he says we should do some thing about global warming as the risk is to great to ignore
All red stained pantys. On a cell in the wops and can not be fucked playing wingnut blog link ping pong.
I’ve seen that much bullshit generated by the likes of Watts, Rose,Taylor,singer lord inbred.et.al all smoke mirrors hype and missdirection.
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May 30, 2013 9:09pm
Harriet

Gays who want to adopt, or those who support the view of gay adoption deny their sexuality. They want the best of ‘both worlds’.

On the one hand they are ‘born that way’ and can’t have kids – yet the REALITY is that they can concieve children just like anyone else.

The arguement that ‘women who can’t concieve children are allowed to adopt’ does not support a case for gay adoption as those women cannot concieve naturally due to medical reasons.

Gay adoption is not a case of gays being medicaly unfit for parenthood. But mentaly unfit.

Gays place the value of a relationship between THEMSELVES above the natural relationship between mother, father and child.

That of course is not a model of parenting – but a social construct of unessecery harm to children.

An adopted child will always suffer from the loss of a parent, or both, and in times past society has gathered about and replaced that loss with the ‘near equivelent’ – gay adoption is not the equivelent and can therefor not ‘replace a loss’.

If anything – it would only make that loss more readily seen and felt by the child!
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May 30, 2013 9:10pm
All_on_Red

Griff
The UK Met Office have admitted in answers to Parliamentary Questions (it took six to pin them down) that effectively CAGW is not happening and that view is based on their statistical analysis (by their Cray Super computer) of physical models since 1850.
The game is up.
btw I wear boxer shorts. Now I might go and burn some coal. Mmm Cosy.
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May 30, 2013 9:20pm
Redbaiter

Progressives sign Thank You Letter to The IRS in the US for their action in targeting religious and conservative and tea party groups. There are more than a few regular commenters on this blog who would have kicked dust of a wet gravel road to get their signature on that card.

http://youtu.be/wzuEOr2D8wo
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May 30, 2013 9:48pm
Left Right and Centre

The Scorned 3:22 pm

At the shop I go to… it seems like a lot/most of the brown people are fat fucklards. I mean obese 10XL-30XL.

I’d love to see what the cunts put away each day….

Not that the non-brown people there are pretty…. they’re not…. they’re fuckin horrible too.
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May 30, 2013 9:56pm
Tauhei Notts

Pete George at 8.54
I have lodged my objection to how the cartoon makes fun of skinny old white people.
Thank you for bringing that moan line to my attention.
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May 30, 2013 10:26pm
Griff

Spin
met office replied to the oft repeated mantra of merchants of doubt.
“It has not warmed in x number of years from the record intensity el Nino of 1998”.
A cherry pick that ignores the fact that the previous four years were on average around 0.4c cooler. That is around 1c a decade you conveniently disregard. 😆
No one thinks that we will see a steady rise each year weather events such as the SOI go in cycles at present we have had neutral/alnina SOI temperatures are still the seventh warmest for last month. 1998 was a anomaly choosing such outlying data to base a trend on is cherry picking.
Met service is predicting a rise back to the modeled trend of 0-15 a decade in the next five years.
You can cast doubt until I start seeing valid sience that explains both the warming attributed to co2 and a gives a reason why the measured effects of co2 absorption of energy and the frequency involved coupled with models that can track the temperature change without using the known forcing of co2 then unfortunately you are talking wingnut woo not sience.
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May 30, 2013 10:56pm
UglyTruth

coupled with models that can track the temperature change without using the known forcing of co2

How are the models valid science when they have failed to predict what the environment actually does?

http://wattsupwiththat.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/ipcc_ar5_draft_fig1-7_methane.png?w=640&h=532
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May 30, 2013 11:11pm
Kea

Griff I could listen to you or The chairman of the Commons Energy and Climate Change committee.

The chairman is no longer convinced man is driving the process. You really need to update and check the current science.
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May 30, 2013 11:19pm
axeman

Kea (4,728) Says:
May 30th, 2013 at 8:28 pm

Griff you must have missed my post about the findings of The chairman of the Commons Energy and Climate Change committee in the UK.

Seems he does not agree with you anymore.
……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………
More climate scientists saying the warming isn’t going to be like we thought. Oops. 🙂

“An international team of scientists have corrected the prognoses for climate change downwards. In a new study the scientists calculated a smaller global warming for the next 50 to 100 years than previously expected. But they did not turn off the alarm.”

http://notrickszone.com/2013/05/20/otto-et-al-first-rats-to-leave-the-sinking-ship-that-is-man-made-global-warming/
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May 30, 2013 11:24pm
axeman

And a new paper finds climate models are getting worse rather than better. The paper published in Geophysical Research Letters finds that the latest climate models are performing even worse than the earlier generations of climate models in predicting

“…both the mean surface air temperature as well as the frequency of extreme monthly mean temperature events due to climate warming.”

The paper adds to HUNDREDS of other PEER-REVIEWED papers demonstrating the abject failure of climate models.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/05/16/climate-models-getting-worse-than-we-thought/
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May 30, 2013 11:29pm
Griff

#atmospherics ,Vodafone,commenting on smart phones,missing the edit deadline.

All in red unless your political ideology embraces AGW it will become redundant by the end of the decade.
Refusing to accept the scientific authority most knowledgeable around a subject then basing you views on “sience”found on blog sites is usually the domain of alt med weirdos and gullible cancer victims.
FFS and wingnuts expect me to consider such pseudo sience is more.acceptable than main stream scientific opinion.
Nasa UK met pen state niwa ….
Critical thinking says that the bodies that most qualified to answer a question are given the most weight.
Nasa naoh niwa ….. Are experts on climate.
Massive conspiracy eh all in red?
All bullshit by thousands of sientist to steal funding
backed by a Marxist inspired governments tax grab
And you wonders why I call you childish names
just bring things down tp your mental level

ps wanna buy some hymopathic remedy I’ve got a bargin 4 you 5 bucks a bottle and super strength.
You can find all about it on wingnut alt med blogs.
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May 30, 2013 11:32pm
Kea

But they did not turn off the ~~alarm~~ funding.

There fixed it for you axeman. Sweet dreams. Another freezing night so throw an extra shovel load of coal on the fire before bed time 😉
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May 30, 2013 11:34pm
axeman

And Kea did you hear about Gwiff’s hero, the cartoonist John Cook? His paper of the 97% consensus turns into a laughing stock. Surprised?
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/05/97-study-falsely-classifies-scientists.html
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May 30, 2013 11:36pm
cha

A proxy held domain with anonymous contributors – a really fucking authoritative source you’re citing sport.
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May 31, 2013 12:01am
Griff

Wingnuts blogs don’t do sience
politics is not sience
whitterin away about some rubbish posted on a obvious denial site is pathetic.
😆 wingnut climate change denial and their futile anti sience crusade.
The votes on the right in new Zealand represent an educated middle class.
Most educated people are liberal most see climate denial for what it is rubbish.
No party in NZ’ can expect to gain votes campaigning on a platform of climate change denial.
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May 31, 2013 8:03am
All_on_Red

I just love the irony of Griff calling us the deniers.
You just cling to that big right wing nut conspiracy theory Griff. We are all funded by oil companies and Heartland processes the cheques for us.I bet you think George Bush blew up the twin towers, that taniwha are real and aliens walk amongst us.
Wheres the warming Griff? Please explain it to us.
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