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dishy

The latest Fairfax-Ipsos poll, which suggests that National could govern alone, should provide some much-needed heat to Mr Shearer today.
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May 29, 2013 8:11am
Left Right and Centre

breakfast in schools debate:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8728167/Nats-breakfast-scheme-plays-politics-with-poor

What a horrid photo… who would use that? An open mouth full of breakfast remnants stuck on teeth… disgusting.

Buried in this story….. bread is donated… kids can come back at lunchtime if they don’t have any. And then it’s given away at the end of the day. You need bread when some kids are ‘big kids’. Big body fat % is more like it, and how did that happen to these ‘starving’ kids?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/8728136/Who-will-run-free-breakfasts

Mike Allen seems to have a more realistic approach to the practical issues of providing breakfast in schools.
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May 29, 2013 8:11am
Dennis Horne

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10084414/Fears-grow-of-Syrian-arms-race-as-EU-and-Russia-move-on-weapons.html

Fears grow of Syrian arms race as EU and Russia move on weapons

The European Union, driven by Britain and France, decides to allow weapons to be sold to rebels, and Russia discloses that it will provide Syria with sophisticated anti-aircraft missiles.
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May 29, 2013 8:12am
Keeping Stock

Sixty years today since Sir Edmund Hillary and Sherpa Tenzing Norgay conquered Mt Everest; a fantastic achievement given the unsophisticated equipment available to them at the time.
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May 29, 2013 8:29am
iMP

WHY would you want a tattoo on your penis? http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/no-tatts-tnx-were-kiwis/
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May 29, 2013 9:16am
Paulus

In the AirNZ tattoo employment issue it is pleasing to see that AirNZ follow the policy of all the Licenced Brothels in Auckland – that is no tattoos. They will tell you that the customers do not like it.
I see that a junior political reporter has taken the case in the Herald this morning showing the American Greenpeace list MP Julie Anne Genter’s fat legs with her leg tattoo.
In the same article other MPs are named with tattoos.
I cannot imagine that Tau Henare would get a job as an airline waitress with his tattoos, albeit his bedside manner would win the customers though.
I cannot imagine either that Mahuta with her tattoos would slim down enough to even get on a aircraft, let alone serve coffee/tea.
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May 29, 2013 9:17am
Pete George

Patrick Gower doesn’t like waka jumping. It looks like he organised a poll that backs him, he got the support of three party leaders, and he thinks that’s enough to change the law regarding list MPs. Even a TV journalist doesn’t have that much power, yet.

Despite what Key, Shearer and Peters would like to be able to do I’m backing Russel Norman and Graeme Edgeler on this – A Brendon Horan or two is a lesser evil than giving party leaders the power to sack (or threaten to sack) list MPs.

And Patrick Gower doesn’t have any mandate to make and promote policy.

Waka jumping and Russel Norman
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May 29, 2013 9:23am
kowtow

Another dubious benefit of the Hollande govt in France,easing Turkish (70 million of them) accession to Europe.

Fucking politicians just don’t get it.(Actually they do get it,they have an agenda to destroy the traditional west,this is nothing short of treachery).

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-turkey-eu-idUSBRE94Q0F220130527
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May 29, 2013 9:37am
Harriet

This misuse of schools to undermine one’s own society is not something confined to NZ or even to our own time.

It is common in Western countries for educators, the media and the intelligentsia in general, to single out Western civilization for special condemnation for sins that have been common to the human race, in all parts of the world, for thousands of years.

Meanwhile, all sorts of fictitious virtues are attributed to non-Western societies, and their worst crimes are often passed over in silence, or at least shrugged off by saying some such thing as “Who are we to judge?” “tolerance” “moral relativity”.

Even in the face of mortal dangers, political correctness forbids us to use words like “terrorist” when the approved euphemism is “militant.” Milder terms such as “illegal immigrant” likewise cannot pass the political correctness test, so it must be replaced by another euphemism, “aslyum seeker” “refugee” “undocumented worker.”

Some think that we must tiptoe around in our own country, lest some foreigners living here or visiting here be offended by the sight of a NZ flag or a Christmas tree in some institutions – but everything fucken everywhere being Maori is, well, just perfect!

And then we have the urber liberal media, education, health depts who think that some young male children might be just that so much happier if they were sodomised at some point in the future! well fuck me….actually…no thanks!

And that young girls, once educated about the ‘issues’ of sexuality will be all the better for the experiance, never mind that the end result is still more sexual diseases, teenage pregnancy/parenting problems, abortion, relationship problems, self esteem issues, and later Marriage problems. This has only ever resulted in there being more feminists, as these girls then ‘perceive’ themselves to be ‘victims’ of male behaviour.

And John Key thinks that the next generation of ‘poor kids’ will have better ‘outcomes’ if breakfast is also provided!
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May 29, 2013 9:40am
Scott

Regarding the special treatment of familyfirst by the charities commission – the familyfirst organisation has released more details which shows the incredibly unfair discrimination that is being foisted on them and them alone – simply because they believe in traditional marriage.

“On the day that we presented a petition containing 50,000 signatures asking for the definition of marriage to be maintained as one man one woman, one person made a 2-sentence complaint to the Charities Commission. They referred to the Commission’s website as “sh*t”, and then said the basis of their complaint was:

“That they are a religious based pressure group whose wole (sic) purpose seems to be the prevention of human rights to non hetrosexual (sic) people. I don’t see how the state should be supporting such an organisation by providing tax free status. EG, like Greenpeace.”

Yes – that’s it! This one complaint resulted in the Commission undertaking a massive investigation which ultimately resulted in Family First being deregistered – a decision which is now being challenged in the High Court.

The Commission has also admitted that only one charity who has been on the opposing side of the debates that Family First has been part of has been investigated – the Child Poverty Action Group which was investigated in 2010 and continues to qualify for registration, despite their obvious political advocacy. In fact, they were in the Court of Appeal just yesterday taking on the government!! And conservation group Forest and Bird – also a registered charity – were in the Environment Court yesterday! But our political advocacy and our traditional view of marriage being one man and one woman warrants our deregistration, according to the Commission.

Other groups that Family First enquired about included Action For Children And Youth Aotearoa, Amnesty International New Zealand Inc, EPOCH, Human Rights Foundation Of Aotearoa New Zealand, Humanist Society of NZ, Agender Christchurch Inc, QSA Network Aotearoa, and Rainbow Youth Incorporated. None of these groups have been investigated. Note also that investigations can be initiated by the Commission itself – they do not have to wait for a complaint.

The Charities Registration Board appears to be using isolated complaints by disgruntled people to muzzle groups who challenge the prevailing politically correct view.”
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May 29, 2013 9:41am
Scott

So only familyfirst was targeted, they were the only organisation that was deregistered. And simply because they believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

This is blatant discrimination by the government. However it will not be investigated by the media because they don’t care about Conservative organisations.If it was rainbow youth they would be in there boots and all.

However I believe all people of goodwill should be concerned that the charities commission, a branch of the government, is actively targeting organisations that do not fit in with their politically correct agenda.
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May 29, 2013 9:44am
UglyTruth

It is common in Western countries for educators, the media and the intelligentsia in general, to single out Western civilization for special condemnation for sins that have been common to the human race, in all parts of the world, for thousands of years.

There is a reason for it: humans, as Cicero’s homo humanus, were not a race as such but a group of people under Emperor-Pontiff Constantine of the Roman Empire, who adopted Christianity as the official state religion. Similarly Western civilization can refer to civilians or the civil law as an extension of Roman law, the exception being England under English common law and related countries.

So what was it about Christianity that made it so attractive to the Roman Empire?

http://solder.ath.cx/pages/paul.html
http://solder.ath.cx/pages/switched.html
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May 29, 2013 10:14am
Griff

Harry it
in the Usa the states that do not have modern sexual education and hold to your Christian views on sex edd the teenage pregnancy rates are higher
This fact is well documented
your Christian views on sex edd actually produce a significant number of unwanted babys and also result in more sexualy transmitted disease .
Its best to base policy on what actually works not on blind faith in imaginary friends
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May 29, 2013 10:15am
Redbaiter

“states that do not have modern sexual education”

Progressive perverts like you should leave other people’s kids alone.
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May 29, 2013 10:22am
Manolo

An unholy alliance of old-timers and Luddites united against progress: http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/136215/forest-and-bird-appeals-mine-decision

Do not, do not donate any money to Forest & Bird.
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May 29, 2013 10:22am
wreck1080

“House prices were already high relative to incomes and rents. In Auckland part of that could be explained by demand. “But house prices are now rising out of step with rents and rising permits for new dwellings”

But, Auckland house prices are increasingly being driven by people with foreign incomes so the link between prices and income has been severed to some extent.
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May 29, 2013 10:22am
Griff

Family first is not a charity its a lobby for Christian political aims.
why should any such group hold charity status charity is to give not to influence.
There should be no special status for tax advantage for any group who’s aim is not purely
giving charity. This includes the status of moari business interests that presently operate as trusts .
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May 29, 2013 10:28am
Redbaiter

“However I believe all people of goodwill should be concerned that the charities commission, a branch of the government, is actively targeting organisations that do not fit in with their politically correct agenda.”

This country is deeply in the grip of the left. They control both major parties, and their agenda is always to help friends and destroy enemies.

What outrages such as the treatment of Family First show is that it is looking less and less likely that change will come through democratic means. Those who resist will continue to be placed in social gulags, and the amoral progressive media will continue to stupify the masses.

Maybe its time to forget about weak and well mannered complaints and do what the French do. Get angry.
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May 29, 2013 10:29am
James Stephenson

do what the French do. Get angry.

…and then burn lorry loads of lamb, go on strike and elect a socialist president?
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May 29, 2013 10:39am
Left Right and Centre

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/lifestyle/news/article.cfm?c_id=6&objectid=10885982

Fat female journalist weighs ‘near 100kg’, loses ‘over 10kg’ and keeps it off….

And then waxes lyrical about how to lose weight and keep it off.

Ah yeah… except… she’s still fucking fat at the new weight.

Some folks are out of their tiny deluded fucking minds.

*The kilos came off slowly but, since I wasn’t depriving myself or feeling hungry, that was fine. I know if I go back to my old friends pasta and rice then I’ll regain them.* Of course she didn’t feel hungry, she was still eating enough to remain overweight- duh.

Milk is described as ‘whole milk’- another Zed-Zee Yankiwi moron.

*At my heaviest, when living in London, I went to the gym four times a week and cycled everywhere.*- and what was she eating? Oh sure, that info’s missing.

*my weight is in the healthy range* and the weight in kilos is….? That info’s missing too. Like fuck it’s in the healthy range shit for brains.

*”Well done, you’ve kept that weight off,” said a friend I hadn’t seen for a while. The thing is it hasn’t been so hard*- yeah, because you’re still **overweight** dickhead.

*Four years ago I weighed more than I do today. The scales were inching their way up to 100kg slowly but steadily. I’m exceptionally tall so I carried it well…* Height is missing- but for that to be reasonable Ms Blubber would have to be 8 feet tall. Show me a woman that carries 95-100kg well….. bollocks.

Bullshit from a still overweight woman. Please. Stick to book reviews.
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May 29, 2013 10:41am
Carlos

Any bets on how long until Sweden becomes a total shit hole?

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-sweden-riots-idUSBRE94Q0E620130527
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May 29, 2013 10:41am
Redbaiter

“…and then burn lorry loads of lamb, go on strike and elect a socialist president?”

Given the progressive media’s reluctance to report on anything that happens overseas that might diminish the power of the left, I’m not surprised you’d have trouble guessing what I was referring to Jimmy.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/05/27/france-riots-erupt-in-paris-at-rally-against-gay-marriage-3810281/
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May 29, 2013 10:41am
Griff

Pervert
Reddy
Perverted is running from the well documented success or failures of different philosophy on sex ed
Then selecting one that does not work just because it conforms to your faith in imaginary friends.
By the way consrvonuttets this is a progressive blog . Is it not about time you recognise that you are not representing the views of this blog or its host?
Remember Reddy if you run you will die stoned and arse raped.
Obligatory 😆 just because it annoys the hell out of you 😈
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May 29, 2013 10:46am
Fletch

If anyone is keen to read the long-out-of-print book from 1970 The Making of Kubrick’s 2001 you can view/download a scan of it that someone has put on Scribd (link HERE).

/end of public service announcement/ 🙂
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May 29, 2013 10:47am
Redbaiter

“Obligatory just because it annoys the hell out of you ”

Yes, funny, but all shameless falsity and hypocrisy effects me that same way.
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May 29, 2013 10:55am
James Stephenson

Yes Weddy, I’m actually quite capable of reading Le Monde for myself, rather get it second hand via the online version of a Newspaper designed to be left in Tube carriages.

I was making the point that grand futile demonstrative gestures that ultimately end up leaving yourself in a worse position than you started in, are somewhat of a French stock-in-trade.
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May 29, 2013 10:57am
Ryan Sproull

If anyone is keen to read the long-out-of-print book from 1970 The Making of Kubrick’s 2001 you can view/download a scan of it that someone has put on Scribd (link HERE).

Fletch,

Yeah, I saw this on Metafilter yesterday. So awesome!
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May 29, 2013 10:58am
Redbaiter

So what would you do about such problems as the political corruption of the Charities Commission Jimmy?

Given the whole process was utterly corrupt you’re not going to get much sympathy from law makers are you?
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May 29, 2013 11:00am
James Stephenson

Why would I want to ‘do’ anything Weddy? Were you crying “foul” when they deregistered Greenpeace?
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May 29, 2013 11:10am
Harriet

“……your Christian views on sex edd actually produce a significant number of unwanted babys and also result in more sexualy transmitted disease …….Its best to base policy on what actually works not on blind faith in imaginary friends…..”

Griff you stoner…..single mums, whores and sluts are hardly your average church going congregation! 😎

Children need moral guidance in every area of life, not least of which in the area of sexuality. As social commentator Christina Hoff Summers has rightly remarked, “To my mind, leaving children alone to discover their own values is a little like putting them in a chemistry lab and saying, ‘Discover your own compound kids.’ If they blow themselves up, at least they have engaged in an authentic search for the self.”

Yet these mentally challenged sexperts want to strip the whole discussion of sexuality out of the moral framework in which it belongs. As former US Secretary of Education William Bennett put it, “Sex education has to do with how boys and girls, how men and women, treat each other and themselves — or, rather, should treat each other and themselves. Sex education is therefore about character and the formation of character. A sex education course in which issues of right and wrong do not occupy center stage is evasive and irresponsible.”

But we have now had decades of sex ed which tells kids all about the mechanics of sex, without a word about morality and what human personhood is all about. And the truth is, this approach has been a colossal failure. A number of reports on the success of amoral sex ed courses have appeared, and the verdict is not good.

Consider a very recent report, documenting how English sex ed courses have fared. As one English press account puts it, “A multi-million pound initiative to reduce teenage pregnancies more than doubled the number of girls conceiving. The Government-backed scheme tried to persuade teenage girls not to get pregnant by handing out condoms and teaching them about sex. But research funded by the Department of Health shows that young women who attended the programme, at a cost of £2,500 each, were ‘significantly’ more likely to become pregnant than those on other youth programmes who were not given contraception and sex advice. “

The mantra of the sex ed lobby is that sex is always only good, and any and every expression of it should be embraced. Nothing is taboo, and everything goes. The only vice according to the sex ed lobby is the narrow and restrictive values of parents and church groups.

Indeed, the worst thing that can be done is to offer any moral framework about sex. No judgment is allowed. In fact, Planned Parenthood insists that “the most important lesson we can share with our kids is, ‘Being different is normal’.” There you have it. Is your thing homosexuality, S/M, group sex, or incest? No probs, it is all fully normal, and the main thing is to give free rein to all your sexual urges, and make sure no one judges you for your particular tastes.

These groups insist that children are sexual from the womb, and the only real damage to them comes from those who say they should wait, abstain, and be monogamous. These are the dangers the sexperts want to keep our kids from. They want to turn our kids into sexual dynamos who will try everything and say no to nothing.

“The experts do not provide teens with all they need to know to make informed decisions, nor is their information medically accurate. They dismiss fundamentals of child development, and omit critical findings in neurobiology, gynecology, and infectious disease.”

With tonnes of detail and evidence, Grossman backs up these claims, and then some. Indeed, it is the detail that really makes for depressing reading. She mentions one former SIECUS president who is now a minister. She is so committed to pre-marital sex that she refuses to marry couples who are not already sexually active!

These groups are not so much interested in science or medicine, safety or protection, as they are in pushing their sexual libertarian agendas. And even if they do tell kids the cold, dry facts on STIs, they are not telling them about the emotional consequences, or telling them that these are fully avoidable.

“For many people, especially teens, the diagnosis is a devastating, life-changing event – the worst thing that’s ever happened to them. To pretend that such an event is unavoidable is nothing short of irresponsible…. The medically accurate message is that all sexually transmitted infections, and the anguish that accompanies them, are 100 percent avoidable.”

She continues, “A life free of herpes, warts, chlamydia, and others is possible. One simply has to delay sexual behaviour, find someone who also waited, and then be faithful to one another.” But that of course is the last message the sex ed lobby wants to present. That runs counter to their doctrinaire sexual license philosophy.

Grossman looks at various other agenda items of the sex ed brigade: the push for androgyny and a genderless society; the push for homosexuality and related alternative lifestyles; the promotion of abortion as the chief solution to the “problem” of pregnancy; and so on.

Every chapter in this well-documented book makes for scary reading. This is nothing less than a war, and it has been declared on our children. Adult social-sexual agendas are trumping the well-being of our children. Indeed, the concern is not for our children at all, but for the promotion of a radical worldview.

It is time to resist all this. Just as we have declared war on smoking and drink driving, so too we need to declare a war on teen sexual behaviour – all three are equally serious and equally deadly. Above all else kids need to be taught how to say no to sexual pressure, and learn how to control sexual appetites, rather than inflame them.

The truth is, not all sexualities and sexual activities are equal. Many are downright dangerous, and we have a responsibility to our children to let them know these truths. Lying to them to push a radical agenda helps no one. Indeed, it is killing our kids.

http://www.billmuehlenberg.com/2011/11/21/a-review-of-you%e2%80%99re-teaching-my-child-what-by-mirian-grossman/

This whole era of entitlement without consequences is a joke. A sad joke, but a joke nonetheless. 😎
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May 29, 2013 11:12am
Scott

Griff at 10:28 a.m. Well that is all well and good, but the fact of the matter is that only familyfirst was targeted for removal of charitable status. No other groups have had their charitable status revoked. And it was simply because the view of marriage that they hold, which incidentally people have held for millennia, is now deemed to be politically incorrect and “not in the public interest”.

It is exactly like the IRS in the United States targeting Conservative groups for special treatment. In that case they were audited with a fine tooth comb in the hope of finding something wrong with their tax returns. And even if nothing was found wrong these companies had to spend huge amounts of money for lawyers and accountants to defend themselves against the tax audit.

So here in New Zealand we find that a Conservative group has been specifically targeted to have their charitable status removed because the government doesn’t like what they stand for. This is outrageous.
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May 29, 2013 11:18am
Redbaiter

“Why would I want to ‘do’ anything Weddy?”

OK, so you’re unbothered by political corruption and you just like trolling. Got it.

Thanks for making that clear.
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May 29, 2013 11:23am
thedavincimode

rather get it second hand via the online version of a Newspaper designed to be left in Tube carriages

Na, na, na. Got it all wrong. Little Red Risible doesn’t bother looking at the progressive media. That link was a merely a coincidence from a typo.
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May 29, 2013 11:33am
RRM

We’ve had gay marriage for a while now… so are any of you married folks starting to feel a little bit gay? As the re-definition process kicks in? 🙂
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May 29, 2013 11:37am
Griff

Harry it
my partner has a masters 1st hons in educational psychology is a Christian and teachers sex ed she is qualified to evaluate the results of sex ed and in her opinion Your abstain methods don’t work. The number of girls that take the pledge of virginity until marriage who end up pregnant is higher than for the population at large
informed children are able to make better judgement calls then those who are kept ignorant by their parents and teachers.
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May 29, 2013 11:48am
James Stephenson

OK, so you’re unbothered by political corruption and you just like trolling. Got it.

I guess drawing all those long bows makes up for the fact that typing is the only other exercise you get? The charities act definitions are all to cock, for sure, but given the rules as laid out in there I don’t have a problem with FF’s deregistration.
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May 29, 2013 11:48am
calendar girl

There was a ludicrous story on Newstalk ZB news at 10.00am today.

It seems that Joan Withers, Chair of Mighty River Power, bought a bundle of her company’s shares after the float at $2.57 each, and that based on yesterday’s closing price of $2.46(?) she had made a loss of – wait for it! – around $1,600.

I consider that the leftie critics’ sole objective in raising this “news item” is clear enough: they want to portray the Chair of Mighty River as an incompetent fool for investing in the company, and by association other NZers (generally people holding an opposing political perspective?) who have also invested. They ignore a number of points:

– Joan Withrs is no incompetent fool, as demonstrated by her business and company director record;
– she used her own money to buy the shares, on the open market, not in the MRP float;
– her actions show her personal confidence in her company’s future (good on her!); and
– she has not made any loss, $1,600 or otherwise; she will realise any loss or gain only when she sells the shares.

This latest MRP nonsense story follows a “revelation” by the Greens a few days ago that a disproportionate number of shares in the Mighty River float went to wealthier individuals and institutions. Did anyone expect otherwise? Did the anti-capitalist Greens think that the float would operate like a WINZ handout programme in which everyone would receive the same amount? Will the left ever understand how financial and investment markets actually work? (Remember, these are the same lefties who want to take control of the NZ economy, including investment of the $21b NZ Superannuation Fund, the Kiwisaver investment environment, etc.).

When will the lefties ever let go of their MRP float defeat, and concentrate instead on the country’s real problems that need to be addressed? Let’s face it, there is no effective political opposition (or responsible fourth estate) genuinely holding NZ’s present government to proper account.
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May 29, 2013 11:49am
Griff

Are we seeing an awakening of the conservative political movement
is the masses of zimmer frame welding ex robs mob going to rise under the leadership of Reddy harry it and the rest of the mighty conservative
lobby on kb
or is the gnashing of gums and waving of gold cards a futile fantasy of the aged and unhinged .
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May 29, 2013 12:04pm
Tauhei Notts

IMP at 9.16 asks why anybody would want a tattoo on their penis.
I heard of bloke who had a $100 note tattooed on his penis.
Apparently his missus could blow $100 quicker than anybody he knew.
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May 29, 2013 12:14pm
iMP

So, sex-acts with under-age girls by a woman. What “sexuality” does that fall under?

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/which-sexuality-is-this/
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May 29, 2013 12:19pm
Colville

So Peters has accused Dunny of being the leaker? under privilege I assume.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/8730843/Peters-accuses-Dunne-of-spy-leak
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May 29, 2013 12:23pm
All_on_Red

“the gnashing of gums ”
Riiiight, this from a dope smoker aged 50. Your teeth are probably more fucked than most.
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May 29, 2013 12:33pm
Redbaiter

Gosh Kevin, you’re obsession with Redbaiter appears to be getting worse.

Hope you don’t blame me for the loss of your job.
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May 29, 2013 12:48pm
Kea

RRM (7,289) Says:

May 29th, 2013 at 11:37 am
We’ve had gay marriage for a while now… so are any of you married folks starting to feel a little bit gay? As the re-definition process kicks in?

I am still getting my head around the fact the number of potential marriage partners has now doubled 😉
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May 29, 2013 12:53pm
Kea

By the way consrvonuttets this is a progressive blog . Is it not about time you recognise that you are not representing the views of this blog or its host?
Remember Reddy if you run you will die stoned and arse raped.

I see Griffy has embraced the new definition and is flirting with Reddy.
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May 29, 2013 12:55pm
Scott

While Kea is getting excited about the number of his potential new marriage partners now that we have gay marriage, we can actually see the effect of increased gayness in other countries. The gay lobby is increasing and will brook no opposition and take no prisoners , you either support the gay agenda or be prepared to face prosecution-

This from the British Guardian newspaper

“Ladele, 52, a local authority registrar, was disciplined by Islington council in London for refusing to conduct civil partnership ceremonies, while McFarlane, 51, a Bristol relationship counsellor, was dismissed by the charity Relate for saying he might object to assisting same-sex couples.”

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/28/christians-discrimination-cases-rejected-human-rights-court
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May 29, 2013 1:17pm
wreck1080

It seems the people who benefited most from the MRP privatisation has been the directors.

I wonder why these directors worked for MRP pre-privatisation when they were worth so more in the private sector?
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May 29, 2013 1:32pm
Kea

While Kea is getting excited about the number of his potential new marriage partners now that we have gay marriage, we can actually see the effect of increased gayness in other countries.

“Increased gayness” ! Are you suggesting formerly straight people are turning gay ? Because that is the only way that comment makes sense.

Ps. What are you doing tonight ? 😉
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May 29, 2013 2:37pm
Chuck Bird

“Are you suggesting formerly straight people are turning gay ? ”

It appears to happen with women and adolescents but if it did happen with a mature adult male it would be very rare.

I wonder when District Count Judge, Bill Hasting decided to bat for the other team? I also wonder if he told his wife when he did or if he put her life at risk.
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May 29, 2013 2:51pm
wreck1080

So the government is going to raise interest rates in a few months to cool down the auckland housing market.

As I understand things, this will only hurt the provinces and auckland prices will remain high.

I wonder, if it would be possible to introduce regional based interest rates where interest rates on mortgages differ between different regions.

Certainly there should be restrictions on foreign owners already .

I’m just getting tired of reading the herald going on about house prices all the time.
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May 29, 2013 3:28pm
liarbors a joke

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/8728220/Female-cop-punched-in-the-face

so , let me get this straight. Scum assaults Police..

“A 40-year-old man appeared in the Christchurch District Court on Saturday charged with assaulting police, assault with intent to injure, possession of cannabis, and refusing to provide his name and address, Erasmus said. The man was released on bail but re-arrested on Sunday on an unrelated matter, and was now remanded in custody.”

Then he is released on bail??!! WTF ?! Assault , possession of cannabis , refused to provide name and address and the fuckin arse judge bailed him ? Words absolutely fail me.
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May 29, 2013 3:52pm
Griff

Chuck that was a lovely display of conservative Christianity at work.
I do so love Christian charity and tolerance .
After all the Jesus zombie did teach little things like, let he who is without.., forgive thine..,best of all he mumbled something about turning the other…
😆
Hypocritical bigots who are fixated on anal smeging sex.
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May 29, 2013 4:04pm
Kea

Scott & Chuck Bird

Now that gay marriage is legal:

1. Are you more gay ?

2. Less gay ?

3. Just as gay as before ?
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May 29, 2013 4:16pm
Chuck Bird

So Griff you are saying that it is okay for some closet bisexual to put his wife’s like at risk.

Hastings cost me money before he became a judge by abusing his powers as chief video censor to stifle free speech.
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May 29, 2013 4:18pm
iMP

Chch school closures and mergers. The whinging begins. Here’s a map.

http://conzervative.wordpress.com/2013/05/29/whinging-101-in-christchurch-school-mergers/
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May 29, 2013 4:36pm
Redbaiter

Why America is a great country-

Castagnozzi, who has owned the Boylston Street bar for 23 years, said his customers were forced to leave behind more than $3,000 in unpaid tabs when cops evacuated them after the bombings. Since then, he’s received nearly a dozen letters and calls from customers who’ve made good on their bills. In all, Castagnozzi estimates the bar has recouped about $1,200.

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013/05/why_america_is_a_great_country.html#ixzz2UebZ1cGc

These were Christians, not Progressives.

I reckon.
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May 29, 2013 4:49pm
Chuck Bird

Kea, what relevance has that got to the legislation and the undemocratic way it was passed?

No one who objected to that legislation did so for such a silly reason as you suggest.

They did so because they know the demands will never stop – like the B & B.

And it sends the wrong signals – just look at a few comments where people saw nothing wrong with an 18 year old having sex with a fourteen year old as long as it was consensual and there was no power imbalance. What feminist crap.
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May 29, 2013 4:54pm
Manolo

The Chinese know it: http://news.msn.co.nz/worldnews/8666590/obama-surfs-internet-from-chinese-cafe
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May 29, 2013 4:56pm
Longknives

“We’ve had gay marriage for a while now… so are any of you married folks starting to feel a little bit gay?”

I was discretely tapping my foot along to ‘Another One Bites the Dust’ in the office today…does that count?
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May 29, 2013 6:07pm
Pauleastbay

We’ve had gay marriage for a while now… so are any of you married folks starting to feel a little bit gay?

RRM

I have been paying a bit more attention to the male go go dancers at Eden Park, I didn’t realize that a piece of legislation could have had this effect on me , who would have thunk?
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May 29, 2013 6:25pm
Pauleastbay

Longknives

Whereas Fat Bottomed Girls does nothing for me anymore !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May 29, 2013 6:26pm
Pauleastbay

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/business/companies/union-president-snoozes-at-his-desk-works-two-hours-a-day/story-fni0d54u-1226652811077

I bet he pays the Unions taxes though, legend
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May 29, 2013 6:44pm
Johnboy

Dear PEB/Abbey.

My favourite Ewe is built like a racing greyhound.

I have started to dream of huge-arsed women after 42 years of wedded bliss.

Should I purchase more sausages for her dinner or get some wide angle spectacles? 🙂
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May 29, 2013 6:50pm
Dennis Horne

@Johnboy. 42 years of wedded bliss? Stick to the rose-tinted spectacles. Buy sausages.
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May 29, 2013 6:57pm
Pauleastbay

Just enjoy what you got JB,, I figured out ( and have been told ) that my trade value isn’t what I imagined it to be!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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May 29, 2013 7:04pm
Griff

Vaseline does wonders on those lenses jb
I always keep some handy.
No you sick puppies its sweat when working givein ya chafe.
Eight hours of hard dirt or tree humping does that.
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May 29, 2013 7:05pm
Johnboy

I’ve often wondered how wide Yvette is in the beam. 🙂
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May 29, 2013 7:06pm
Dennis Horne

@Johnboy. Re Yvette.
If a girl is intellectual
Her sex appeal is quite effectual
But if she has a nifty torso
Her sex appeal is even more so.
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May 29, 2013 7:18pm
UglyTruth

Assault , possession of cannabis , refused to provide name and address and the fuckin arse judge bailed him ? Words absolutely fail me.

That’s assault of police. He has the right to remain silent – the cops do not have the power to revoke that right.
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May 29, 2013 7:19pm
Griff

Woman over forty
don’t yell
don’t swell
don’t tell
best of all they are grateful as hell .
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May 29, 2013 7:25pm
Johnboy

There was a young fellow named Horne
who wished he had never been born
He wouldn’t have been
If his father had seen
That the end of his condom was torn! 🙂
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May 29, 2013 7:25pm
RF

Not a Campbell Live fan but have been watching those poor bastards down in Christchurch. eqc have really stuffed up big time and some people live in 3rd World conditions.
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May 29, 2013 7:35pm
All_on_Red

Ugly
“He has the right to remain silent ”

“in some situations you legally have to give your personal details, such as your name, age and address:
•if you’re driving or riding your bike – the Police can stop any vehicle and ask the driver (or rider) for their personal details, including (in addition to the above) telephone number and occupation.
•if you’ve been arrested
•if you’re in a pub and Police think you’re under-age
•if they think you’re a truant (not at school when you’re supposed to be”

http://www.cab.org.nz/vat/gl/roi/Pages/Policeandtheindividual.aspx
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May 29, 2013 7:51pm
Dennis Horne

@Johnboy.
There was a priapic old fellow called Johnboy
Visited the sheep pens in anticipation and joy
Taking his big clippers and a bag of old rags
He cleaned their lips and removed their dags
Sex toys they became after the turn of light
Coy as he was he knew it wasn’t all right
To bump and hump them with his little toy
Despite the baa-baa most of the night.
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May 29, 2013 7:53pm
Griff

Our weather often comes up from Antarctica giving us blasts straight from the fridge.
I just looked at the giss global temperature for last month
interestingly it shows warm patches however the region our weather comes from is significantly colder than last decade.
That would suggest that we may have a particularly cold south westerly fronts this winter
climate change may be due to global warming however this does not mean that everywhere will be warmer.
A significant cost is inherent in an unstable climate system as it increases risk of climate extremes on a regional bases.
These extremes remain an unknown quantity. resolution climate modal is to high to predict specific regional variances so far.
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May 29, 2013 7:58pm
Dennis Horne

@Griff. By the end of the century, if nothing changes: how many degrees warmer will it be, how much will the sea level rise?
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May 29, 2013 8:00pm
nasska

Paddy applied for a job in an office. After the
interview, he left and hooked up with his friends.

One asked, “How’d it go?”

“First part was smooth. But den
she wanted to see my testimonials. So I showed ’em
and she freaked. There went dat job.”
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May 29, 2013 8:01pm
Longknives

“Assault , possession of cannabis , refused to provide name and address and the fuckin arse judge bailed him ? Words absolutely fail me.”

Punched a woman in the face- How very admirable…Yet another example of the peaceful ‘mellowing’ effects of the ‘harmless’ drug Cannabis we are always hearing about?
Potheads are losers. Criminals and losers.
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May 29, 2013 8:03pm
RightNow

“A significant cost is inherent in an unstable climate system as it increases risk of climate extremes on a regional bases”

So you’re alleging there has been a stable climate system at some stage? By inference you’d have to mean prior to CO2 being at 280ppm or so? How long did this stable climate last for? Can you give us a date range of when it began and when it ended?

Because it sounds to me like you’re full of shit, probably because you’re a shit eater.
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May 29, 2013 8:11pm
Johnboy

I gave you one point for effort Dennis but needs work, doesn’t scan well! 🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:12pm
UglyTruth

in some situations you legally have to give your personal details, such as your name, age and address

Yes, but that only applies to persons. People are not necessarily persons, the state assumes that they are.
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May 29, 2013 8:15pm
All_on_Red

GISS?
Meh
you need better sources. GISS have this great little habit of extrapolating Temps from one station to cover a 1200sqmile (!!!!) area.

“These extremes remain an unknown quantity”

Unknown indeed in your world. Certainly on any measurement by NOAA or BOM Australia, hurricanes etc have actually decreased.
Have another spliff Griff

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May 29, 2013 8:16pm
Judith

Dennis Horne (1,261) Says:
May 29th, 2013 at 8:00 pm
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You planning on being around that long?
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May 29, 2013 8:17pm
Johnboy

Here’s an example for you to work with Dennis.

The limerick form’s complex
Its contents run chiefly to sex
It burgeons with virgins
And masculine urgins
And swarms with erotic effects.

🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:17pm
Johnboy

How many ax handles are you Judith? 🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:18pm
All_on_Red

“People are not necessarily persons”
hahahahaha. You’re such a funny guy
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May 29, 2013 8:21pm
Pete George

The latest Roy Morgan poll demonstrates why you shouldn’t judge too much from a single poll.

National 41.0
Labour 35.0
Greens 12.0
NZ First 4.5
Conservative 2.5
Maori 2.0
Mana 0.5
Act 0.5
United Future 0.5
Other 1.5

Four polls – don’t rely on a single one
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May 29, 2013 8:21pm
Judith

Chuck Bird (3,489) Says:
May 29th, 2013 at 2:51 pm
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I doubt middle age males are ‘turning gay’, but rather are now comfortable enough to express a sexuality they have previously hidden due to society’s lack of acceptance.

Women on the other hand are likely to turn gay at middle age – you can only live with a man for so long! 🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:21pm
UglyTruth

Yet another example of the peaceful ‘mellowing’ effects of the ‘harmless’ drug

Harm arising from cannabis use is like harm arising from the use of any drug. Treating people like children and prohibiting only “unapproved” drugs doesn’t solve this. The prohibition of cannabis is based on politics, not reason.
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May 29, 2013 8:22pm
Longknives

“Yes, but that only applies to persons. People are not necessarily persons, the state assumes that they are.”

I rest my case.
(You make it so easy for me Ugly T)
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May 29, 2013 8:23pm
Johnboy

“United Future 0.5”

I’ll have to consider if I shall support you again PG! 🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:25pm
UglyTruth

“People are not necessarily persons”
hahahahaha. You’re such a funny guy

Funny like getting a piano when you asked for a parachute.

legal definitons of person:

A man considered according to the rank he holds in society, with all the rights to which the place he holds entitles him, and the duties which it imposes. 1 Bouv. Inst. no. 137. A human being considered as capable of having rights and or being charged with duties, while a “thing” is the object over which rights may be exercised. (Black’s 2nd (1910))

In general usage, a human being (i.e. natural person), though by statute term may include a firm, labor organizations, partnerships, associations, corporations, legal representatives, trustees, trustees in bankruptcy, or receivers. National Labor Relations Act, sect 2 (1). (Black’s 5th (1979))

“So far as legal theory is concerned, a person is any being whom the law regards as capable of rights and duties. Any being that is so capable is a person, whether a human being or not, and no being that is not so capable is a person, even though he be a man.” ~ Black’s 8th
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May 29, 2013 8:28pm
Judith

Johnboy (10,832) Says:
May 29th, 2013 at 8:18 pm
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Me? you meaning across the butt?

Depends on the length of the axe doesn’t it. It’s a bit of a stupid question to ask on the internet isn’t it? a bit like how long is a piece of string – the answer is of course, twice the length from the middle to end.

I guess you’re trying to imply I have a large butt, as some sort of insult because you think I sit here all day. In reality it wouldn’t matter what I answered to your question, would it? I could give you any measurement I wanted, and you wouldn’t believe it, so I’ll let you decide for yourself and that way you’ll be happy with the answer. I really thought most people had got over asking such stupid questions on the internet, and were well past the ‘you’re here 24/7 mentality – but hey -there’s always one.

On the other hand if you are implying I’m a battle axe – too bloody right 🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:34pm
Griff

6 + if we don’t change course in the coming century would make our planet unhabitable for most ecology’s resulting in a mass extinction event.
The just past milestone of 400ppm is predicted to give us around 2 in that time span. Sea level rise lags temperature rise . Century time span i would suggest 400 600mm rise would be a responsible estimate. That may seem small however I could give you a list of areas in Auckland that flood now including significant flooding on major roads.
Interestingly one effect of warming temperatures is an increase in heavy rain fall events. This has been noticed in England with its historic flooding
There is international agreement that any more than two would result in significant impact.
Mitigate the impact or stop the release of co2 are the two possible solution paths to explore.
Both of these paths need coherent long term strategy that will benefit more the sooner it is implemented.
I hate effn public transport as it represents both a lack of freedom and an evasion of my personal space.
We need the right to develop coherent policy and direction or we really do lose to the green socialist dead end.
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May 29, 2013 8:35pm
nasska

It’s midnight at full moon & the drums are pounding out a relentless beat.
The air is thick with cannabis smoke.
Naked women are dancing round in a frenzy, shrieking in ecstasy.
The High Priest is lubing up his massive cock with the blood of a slaughtered goat & grinning at Griff lying bound & naked, face down on the altar.

He loves attending AGW alarmist rallies!
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May 29, 2013 8:35pm
All_on_Red

Right so you really mean persons are not necessarily people. You had it the wrong way round.
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May 29, 2013 8:35pm
Johnboy

If your ass is as big as your answer Judith……. I think I love you! 🙂 🙂
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May 29, 2013 8:37pm
Judith

Johnboy (10,834) Says:
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They don’t make butts that big Johnboy! 😉

You should actually know that I am considered to be very shy in person. It’s amazing the power a keyboard can provide. I guess that is why my income is predominately from writing.
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May 29, 2013 8:39pm
UglyTruth

Right so you really mean persons are not necessarily people. You had it the wrong way round.

No, both statements are true. A dog is a person if the law considers it to have rights and duties, and a man is not a person if he has no rank in society.

The jurisdiction of the districts courts is jurisdiction in personam, i.e. personal jurisdiction. They don’t have universal jurisdiction, so the distinction between people and persons is important when bringing legal charges.
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May 29, 2013 8:42pm
Johnboy

“They don’t make butts that big Johnboy! 😉 ”

I could feed you sausages Judith! 🙂
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